Microsoft's Kudo Tsunado gives Jimmy a demonstration of the new body-controlled video game system, Project Natal, on the glorious Sharp 108. John Krasinski and Stephen Moyer join in the fun.
They switched places pretty quick. Super responsive. Edit Even Detect his hips. Its all in the hips! Its all in the hips!
I thought the Burnout part was pretty cool. The Ricochet part always just looked like a simple demo that has been seen before, but it was nice to finally show how it's used on a retail game like Burnout to the public instead of keeping it under closed doors. I give them props for bringing out Burnout, because I thought it was just gonna be the same demo from E3. It was cool when Jimmy Fallon finally tried Burnout...watching someone that already knows what they're doing is boring (Kudo), but watching Jimmy finally getting it to work was pretty awesome.
it looks like someone was steering and putting on the gas look very close and u see what im talking about when jimmy trys it look at his foot and his stering
I look forward to how they present this tech and how much it will cost. I am not one to play motion games much and have few that require me to get out of my chair on the Wii but my kids would love this.
The sun glasses in door. It is like his little quirk. Wa-bam.
Yeah but it was a good demonstration.
Kudo has a retina problem so he keeps the glasses on at all times.
Yea the Giant Bomb guys on their latest podcast said Kudo had eye problems and was super sensitive to light, that's why he wears sunglasses all the time. I was kinda dissing on the guy for that before but after I found out it was for health reasons I felt really bad. :( Edit: Yep, proof, http://www.gamesetwatch.com... Kudo Tsunoda: Alright. Cliff Your Hands Say Yeah: Kudo, it is very disrespectful to wear sunglasses while I am demonstrating this game. Kudo I can see fine; like Bono of U2, I have a medical predisposition to light.
Everybody seemed to Enjoy what they were seeing.This shows that Natal does actually work with other games. The test-drive on Burnout was good. You guys saw how they could claxon? that was nice.
I like how they switched places and it knew who it was already. It looks like it works very well.
The Ricochet demo was good but the unresponsiveness of Burnout demo show how Natal won't work with those kind of games. Take notice too that in the Ricochet demo there is not a 1:1 response, that's why in my opinion, Natal won't be the first choice in fast paced games like FPS or racing games.
Switching places was improved by the red suits. In the actual release you'll have to get 'scanned in' and then you can jump in and out and it will recognize you. Of course, I wonder what would happen if identical twins were sharing the game? Edit: To those who disagree, this was mentioned by the press as what happens when you initialize your character in Natal. Nothing I said above is a slight against Natal, only the facts of how it will recognize one person from another.
You can see the motion lag, but still impressive. Though I highly doubt anything like this will get accepted by "core" gamers. Think about drifting around a corner in that game, not to mention the short play times due to standing the whole time. Would like to see more though.
...you can play sitting down; the camera works the same either way. You have to think, they aren't going to bring a couch with them everywhere they do a demo.
After all, I heard those foldable chairs come pretty light. If it really did work with them sitting down, why won't they use it? No one actually drives cars standing. They know their tech is still buggy, they want to show it off, and they want to keep mess ups at a minimum. You can even see when 1 of the guys was up there, they did one of those "Bam there it is" kind of bugs. I'm not doubting Natal's market succecss. Their marketing may very well work, but in a "core" gamers perspective..aka anyone on N4G, they won't make use of this. Simply will not be able to. Well, yeah, they say you can use a controller with it as well, but isn't that defeating the purpose of the "no controller" phrase they are throwing around? Not to mention, if you did have a controller, all you can do is lean your head or move your legs. With the Wiimote/ PS3 wand, each device has buttons, and is able to be used 1 handed, allowing movement of both arms while having tactile input available (buttons),
Why would they sit down in front of the audience to play the game ? it defeats the purpose of showing how its fun.
Phosphor You need to give up your attempt at bashing this Microsoft device tell me How in the world are you gonna demonstrate how to play a Ball kicking game sitting on a couch? even sony were doing their demo up and not on a freakin couch. just give up already fanboy.
I'm saying it won't work. Even in the Milo demo's, the people who got to demo Milo were told to stand in front of the camera. Why not sit? My L1 to L4 spinal columns compressing (L = Lumbar). If they don't make it so you can sit, many gamers like me, with physical disabilities cannot use it. That's why having a piece of hardware with buttons will always out perform something without any input other than an optical one. Good games can come from Natal, but IMHO its not going to be a hit like the Wii was. EDIT: Why don't you guys respond to anything OTHER than the Chair comment? Why not try to refute the fact you can't do simple tasks that require multiple inputs. I used the example of drifting. In burnout all you press is brakes while you are holding the gas. Oh wait, my foot can't be forward and back at the same time. And what are you disagreeing with? The fact I'm a teenage cripple? F*ck you.
That's good to know. I mean, I know their trailer thing with the girl racing and stuff was shown but that was all like "Product vision: actual features and functionality may vary." Honest to God I am not trying to bash Natal, I'm just being practical. I'm not as handicapped as people who need wheelchairs and such but they can also concur that Natal will leave out a whole niche of people. Wiimote and PS3 Wand thing has a MUCH less chance of that since you only use your upper body.
Appreciate it. Really. Calling me a troll? You've had this account for less than 8 days. I know I don't have to prove myself that I am physically handicapped. Want to know the story of my god damn life? Here it f*cking is. In Jr. High I ran track/cross country. 9th grade I joined wrestling while finishing up my CC season. I ended up getting GI flu along with upper respiratory infection. I had to quit both sports and stayed sick for over a month. I went to the doctor while I was sick and they found not only did I have intestinal lesions and ulcers, but I had PVFS for literally a year after that ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... ). That whole year of school I was unable to stand up for more than a few minutes, and would even pass out during class. My body weight went from 150 to 100 pounds in 4 months. Since then I have developed allergies, alactasia, sleep apnea, along with chronic depression, OCD and more specifically Trichotillomania. Because my sleep apnea (in which I get 13% of recommended REM sleep) I have sever short term memory problems. My grades in college are sh*t and I can't do anything about it other than try harder. Two years ago I have finally been able to build my weight back up to 150, and now I'm up to 180. If you want to keep talking sh*t go ahead, but at least I have the balls to confront people with legitimate posts. F*ck you kid.
Jeez Troll Killer, you're willing to make fun of someone's disabilities to defend your product of choice. That's sad. Why would you need multiple accounts on this site? Is it because the nasty PS3 fans keep stealing your bubbles? Motion controls are not the future for some people, and I'd be surprised if many people on N4G are going to play future iterations of Burnout etc with Natal (or PS3 Motion Controls) rather than a wheel or pad. Motion controls have their place, and I'm sure Natal is going to be great in many ways - but the number of people on this site who previously bashed the Wii for motion controls, and are now praising Natal (and PS3 motion controls) as the 2nd coming is just crazy.
How the f*ck do you disagree about what is fact? You disagree with what I said and how I became sick? Let me upload my knee X-Rays from when my back started to mess up my knees. I'll also try to get my scanner to work so I can scan my f*ckin sleep apnea report since thats f*cking right next to me. It's pathetic. It's 5:50a.m. and I'm looking around my room to find these results just to prove I'm not a troll. And look, I'm not. First is when my back started to affect my walking..in which started to chew at my bones..you can see where its jagid. http://i735.photobucket.com... This one is the summary of my sleep apnea report... http://i735.photobucket.com...
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... Quote - First up is Peter Molyneux's new baby. As you'll know if you followed our live text, Milo is the name of the new AI character in development at Lionhead Studios. And as you'll know if you read our interview with Peter Molyneux, or could have predicted if you know anything about Peter Molyneux, Kate is the name of a dog. But the dog's not on show today - instead we're presented with Milo on his own, sitting on a swing by a river. Molyneux invites me to try interacting with him by standing in front of the screen and moving around the room. As I move, the camera moves with me. Shift your body left and the camera pans left; tilt your body forwards and it zooms in, and so on. "Normally you'd be using the right thumbstick for this," observes Molyneux. It's a bit disconcerting, but in a good way; looking around to change your viewpoint feels a lot more natural than pushing a stick. NOTE --> What about those who would rather stay sat on the sofa? The technology works just as well when sitting down, according to Molyneux: "You just move your torso and your head to move around. It can be a very relaxed experience."
You 360 fanboys are the lowest of the low...you know that? phosphor112 was not bashing Natal. He was giving an honest opinion. And Troll Killer, you know what? Someone should kick you out of the Gamerzone for being ignorant as hell. Unbelievable...making fun of the guy like that?
haha! what kind of douche bag posts his xrays. we all have problems man, for f'cks sake... Back to Natal... I'm impressed at the response time it takes to recognize a new person. I hope they release some new tech demos soon though. MS really needs to drive this home.
If someone told you 8 years ago that in order to play the next Nintendo console, you would have to flail your arms around or stand on a "balance board", you would have the same reaction. Look at it nowadays. Microsoft isn't making this for the hardcore gamers that can sit and play games for 12 hours straight without moving. I think Project Natal is designed (just like the Wii was) to introduce a different form of interaction.
What's next? Will you ask him is an epileptic seizure another form of RUMBLE? Sheesh!
the earliest this is coming out is holiday 2010, its still super early and its working pretty well already the reaction to it from the people there and the crowd shows this is going to be an attention getter at the very least. Probably no wii like phenomenon, but its going to help 360 with casuals a bunch
lol, no one drives standing up, notice how they dont have a release date but they are hyping this like the next coming of Jesus, this is clearly MS way of moving units. Edit: I agree Sony doesnt know how to market but why doesnt MS just give an estimate release date instead of keeping people in the dark
Because it doesn't seem to be working for them. Maybe they should be taking pointers from MS, on how to market. :)
i dont think sony would bring its waggle controler to show off sword fighting at a jimmy falon late show ... that kind of tech is well placed in e3 or gdc ... for the gaming audience ... like imagine if sony demo doom 4 with motion controols ... eg: have a flash light in one hand and a pistol in another using two controllers... exciting right?... that would be perfect for e3... not a late night show but this tech of natal is more than just limited to 'gaming' ... this controller is totally thinking outside the box ... and it's the kind of tech where the gamer and the normal folk would go "woah"
Everytime someone has something bad to say about Natal i think to myself do they not understand its not coming out this year these are tech demos its still a work in progress its not even going to be called Natal that being said cant wait once the kinks are ironed out this is going to rock!
Yet fully predictable and perfectly suited that Xbox 360 folks used to do nothing but make fun of the Wii with it's "Waggle" and how you had to move around your body to play ("Who wants to do THAT?") and how motion controls were gimmicky and it was lame and laughed at and made fun of and oh back to manly men cigar chompin' Gears of mother-fonkin War.. but now that MS is making it, only MORE involving than simple moving your wrist and it's going to be totally radical huh? Despite it looks totally and utterly retarded. The power of Hype is strong with this one. Hook, line, and sinker. Yet another example of something put out and hyped up by MS so strongly that people are actually claiming it's something they will not only use, but defend despite the fact they will never use it and fully made fun of products like it before in the past. Do you not see how you're being manipulated by marketing at all? Seems to be the 360 demographic, easily manipulated minds.. "Buy our crappy hardware over and over again! Believe that Halo 3 is the best game ever made! Motion controls are now totally radical to the max, ask Sudo Kunoda!"
someone seems to have forgotten about a certain six-axis gimmick the difference between ms and sony is that they will actually try to put some effort into making this successful
the difference between ms and sony is that they will actually try to put some effort into making this successful uh sonys not bothering when there motion controller ain't coming out for about 6 months maybe even more
Cool demonstration. People were really having fun and getting into it. That stuff obviously works and it is going to be exciting to see the stuff developers come up with.
does natal come with the lame jumpsuits so itll see you?
that's pretty slick. hope we get it sooner rather then later. also i hope they keep the name Natal, i like that name.
Haters said the response time lag on it was atrocious at E3 - like a whole second!!! Sure there IS lag on it but i wouldnt say anymore than .25 of a second. Please note than any lag on a game is really bad for gameplay purposes but Natal is definetely filled with potential. Well done MS - leading the way again.
For me, .25 lag is too much. In the video you can clearly see Kudo move and then his avatar moves. That would take you out of the believability of the experience pretty quickly. Sony's wands have no lag, or rather a few milliseconds of lag which to a human is undetectable. .25 seconds? WAY TO MUCH LAG.
For certain games they will need to nail the lag down. Lag is hated in online games and can ruin an experience. Any sort of input lag on Natal is going to be problematic in many games. Still, MS have a long time to refine it, although I suspect they will never get it 100% lag free it'll at least be diminished to an acceptible level.
"get it out there soon please " - Fallon Yea you could tell by the audience and Jimmy's reaction that this is gonna be a massive hit when it comes out. Nice to see Microsoft is this proactive in advertising their games.
...to announce a release date before the holidays. If they do, sales will EXPLODE for the 360. If they don't, then it's safe to say there's no chance of Natal arriving before the holiday season NEXT year. EDIT: @ BELOW :p Yeah, I know..I'm saying they need to refine that, to an ACTUAL release date, before the holidays. If they can't, they can't...but it would definitely help them lock up the holiday season this year. ;)
It's been said that Natal won't be released until the later half of 2010. Maaan... Natal's tech is just so simple! Microsoft's taking a nice shot there
If Jimmy Fallon and his paid to be there audience say it's cool then it *must* be! And no, it doesn't sound like you're desperate for ANYONE to find it cool at all!
I think this is a good concept and a step forward in video game technology, along with the new PS3 tech, but, I just cannot see it working for games that well. I mean that burnout demo was awful, who wants to hold an invisible steering wheel? I just don't get that part of it. It'll be interesting to see what is done with it
A "controller" isn't required to play...but that doesn't mean the gamer can't improvise, to add immersion. If you don't like the floating hands feel of the driving, use a toilet seat, or a frisbie, or even a Wii-wheel (if you have one). Natal is only going to reference your hands anyway. :) EDIT: @ dogbeliefs... I don't know how YOU drive, but I drive with my EYES. I don't wait for the car's steering wheel to tell me I'm weaving/drifting. Your "mind's eye" can + your brainpower can fill in the gaps left by the absence of a controller....it would simply take practice. ANYTHING new takes practice...why should this be different?
Imagine for a moment you are driving a real car with no resistance from the wheel. You would crash within seconds. Without resistance from the wheel, your brain cannot make the small constant adjustments needed to drive the car. That is why you see Kudo and pals bouncing back and forth completely out of control. That is the problem with holding onto air or holding an object connected to nothing. NO RESISTANCE. Sony figured this out thru years of messing around with motion technology from cameras. We need feedback, resistance, a tangible object that gives the brain the needed information to properly control something. Can it be done without any feedback or resistance? Sure, with enough practice it could. But where is the fun in that?
A lot of excitement is brewing because of Project Natal. It's rare that something can bring excitement outside the gaming realm.
I've never played a driving game using the Wiimote that felt right. Not enough feedback. Even a pad is only borderline acceptible. Personally what I would like to see is the following set up (for something like Forza). The traditional force feedback wheel/pedal combo, but used in conjunction with Natal for other features... For example, head tracking so I can spot the corner apexes better. Possibly gesture recognition, for signalling to come in to the pits rather than fumbling for a button on the steering wheel. That's where I see Natal working for 'core' gamers. I also see tracking being useful in FPS games, so that I can use a traditional controller, but be able to look around. Would improve immersion and make for better games.
I could see Natal being a nice addition for driving games, where you can look outside the window, change the radio station using gestures, etc. But for steering, no way. Using a wheel with force feedback is much more appropriate and natural than holding items in the air.
hopefully they let us use props, like a smaller momo steering wheel or just a simple object for us to hold instead of nothing but air. but im more excited about the possibilities that might come from having natal and a regular controller working together.
and not tsunado... LOL but anyway i said it earlier and i will say it again: Project natal looks very interesting even though its far away from final quality if they could improve the accuracy then i totaly would buy this (which i will maybe anyway) so...lets see if they could deliver...
lol...no it's Tsunosa ;)
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I can already see a Dance Dance Revolution game for this...
Soooo......lag....gy..... And that's with the help of the outboard processor, no doubt. Can't wait to see how this works on an actual retail 360. And what's with the red jumpsuits? Perhaps very telling, no? "Natal works fine for all ethnicities. As long as you wear the red jumpsuit."
cool....can't wait. I am not so much into motion control but if this help get more people to buy the X360, then the better. I can see this thing budled with the Arcade unit for $250 and $150 standalone. If this was the case, along with Microsoft's Marketing muscles, I think it will make a killing in 2010.
He wish he demoed other games.
If micro can do that in 2010 then I'm all for it. lol, micro already demoing on Late Nignt Show...smart. JOY
Microsoft marketing at its finest !!! I LOVE IT !!! Move out the way Magic Wand 2.0.
lol magic wand 2.0
ultimolu - 4 hours ago PM Track Ignore 4.13 - You 360 fanboys are the lowest of the low...you know that? phosphor112 was not bashing Natal. He was giving an honest opinion. And Troll Killer, you know what? Someone should kick you out of the Gamerzone for being ignorant as hell. Unbelievable...making fun of the guy like that? excuse me, have you gotten lost sony fantroll/ultimolu? this is a natal article which is XBOX 360....coming in here when you don't own a 360 and running your burger shoot about xbox fanboys is a new low for you. it's unbelievable you spend soooooo much time on n4g bashing "xbots" when it is clear as fuk all you do is the same thing as the other sony trolls on n4g. want to see the worse fanboy on n4g juuken, find a mirror.
I think Natal will be good for somethings but i hope it is not the way games go in the future, give me old fashioned controller anyday. Motion is overrated and no one but an athlete will be able to keep up if this happens. Has microsoft come up with a solution for movement like walking or running, cause without that natal will be awfully limited. I hope kudo is cross eyed or something cause he looks like a fool wearing sunglasses indoors.
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