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Submitted by DoucheVader 1939d ago | news

Gran Turismo 5, King of all Driving Sims

PlayStation LifeStyle writes, "The votes are in! The good news is Gran Turismo still holds the crown for best driving simulator on the market. Recently media conglomerate CNET did a readers poll which pitted the driving jauggarnaut, GT5 vs. the 'Johnny come lately' Forza Motorsport 3." (Forza Motorsport 2, Forza Motorsport 3, Gran Turismo 5, Gran Turismo 5: Prologue, PS3, Xbox 360)

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DJ  +   1939d ago
Wow, shocker of the week.
Turn 10's attempts to sway the results failed AND blew up in their face.
CaseyRyback_CPO  +   1939d ago
Yeah, once the GT community got wind of this.. it was pretty much a wrap.
I bet the results would have been more realistic with CNETs readership if pathetic Turn10 didn't decide to bribe people to vote for their "definitive" game. Most of the votes surely came from gtplanet alone lol.
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DoucheVader  +   1939d ago
100% Agreed...
I think everyone agrees this was a low move.

I wonder what the meeting was like that morning over at the Forza community offices....

Community Manager: Hey CNet is doing a GT5 vs. Forza 3 poll. Lets rig the vote by giving away free DLC!

Loyal Xbots: BRILLIANT!!!!
MNicholas  +   1939d ago
To be honest
until we see both games in action there's no way to know which will be a better overall game. Obviously GT5 looks better and has the potential for better physics and to be a better sim (due to the vastly more powerful CPU) but final judgement will have to wait.

Cnet articles are usually written by a bunch of idiots so I can't say I take the word of people who live by those articles too seriously. Having said that, Turn10 has a very long way to go if they want to back up their statements about their competition. They've already fallen short in visuals. Hopefully the physics are less wrong than in Forza 2 and the tracks not artificially altered to compensate for the poor physics.
Ju  +   1939d ago
ha ha ha! That backfired...a bit. LOL.
WonderboyIII  +   1939d ago
NO!
My Pen is the largest!!!!
Aclay  +   1939d ago
I think Turn 10 is just trying to hype up their game with all the talk they've been doing lately. They really need to learn some respect though, because Gran Turismo is like a Legend in the gaming industry, regardless of what Turn 10 thinks of the franchise.

Honestly I just think Turn 10 is envious of Polyphony Digital's immense success with GT on Playstation. I'm sure Forza is great and all, but GT still holds the crown when it comes to status and pure Simulation Racing.

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue ( a glorified demo) alone has sold almost as much as Forza 2 has ever sold. I can't wait until GT5 finally drops so the game can finally shut those Turn 10 devs. up
Darkeyes  +   1939d ago
lol... That is what happens when you mess up with a 50 million franchise. I mean even the GT5 demo nearly outsold Forza 2... and it was a DEMO!!!!It was jus that M$ started bundling up the game and so the game barely scraped passed it.

I remember seeing the voting at 70% in Forza favor... and then suddenly yesterday GT beat the crap out of it. And what makes the victory even sweeter is the fact that Forza tried to rig the poll but failed.

I wouldn't have taken a jab at Forza if the devs would have STFU and minded their own business. But the last few posts by that ridiculous jerk were pathetic. And the 'Bribing people to give votes' was so desperate. I just want PD to show a few damage videos in 1080P and kick the balls out of Forza.
Go 360 fanboys.. Go and customize your cars while we play a 1080P 60FPS game with 2X cars on road and 2X cars available.
Thugbot187  +   1939d ago
When did a poll of two games before they are released start deciding the quality of the game, CNet and its poor journalism adding to fanboy drama. Silly for Turn 10 to take part in this agreed.
eagle21  +   1939d ago
Gran Turismo is in a class of it's own.... :)
I think everyone is aware of this but some are just trying to find an exclusive on 360 this fall that isn't DLC so the fear kicks in. Again, I really find it funny that forza 3 lost in Xplays racing category E3 2009 Awards. Turn-10 must have missed that...lol

Xplay knows it's nothing special. :)
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hulk_bash1987  +   1939d ago
Bribing the masses to sway the voters, lol. This has officially gotten out of hand. Good job Turn 10.
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decimalator  +   1939d ago
Big surprise. Probably not a good idea.
CaseyRyback_CPO  +   1939d ago
lol - and its only 8 cars while racing.
Only 8 cars Racing at a time
2 discs...
only 400 cars.
Not 1080p
Cokkpit View is 30fps

this just keeps getting better, because if thats definitive, whats GT5?

edit @ Immortal Kim,

Makes you wonder why Turn10 would bribe their own community when both games aren't out huh?
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Immortal Kaim  +   1939d ago
Both games aren't even out yet...nice headline :)
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SnukaTheMan  +   1939d ago
hahahahahahaha
there is a unicorn car.....what horseshit.
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el zorro  +   1939d ago
Which is it PS3 fans? First we had swarms of PS3 fans up in arms in the other article saying how you can't have a poll asking people which game they think is better until the games are out, and now that the poll swung in your favor you guys are only two happy to accept the results of the poll as legitimate and crown GT the best driving sim. Talk about a bunch of hypocrites. Well, at least you guys are living up to your name.
MGSR THE HD VERSION  +   1939d ago
also one more thing, at around august microsft's going to flood xbl with lots of forza banner adds.....ok, that's in about 3 months from now, do you think that any xbot that DOES reads this is going to keep this sh!t going back and forth in their heads for 3 months? (deciding which game is the definitive racing game)

................it's even harder for those to get gt especially if they don't have a ps3.

and btw.........halo is the definitive fps, the number say so, the graphics of all other fps's don't mean sh!t to an xbot. play a round of halo3 online and tell me why so many care so little about graphics in that game.
R3D  +   1939d ago
"Editor's note: After numerous complaints of cheating and in-game content being offered as payment for votes, I've decided to close the poll. Way to ruin the fun for the rest of us, guys."

LMAO! Priceless.
DevastationEve  +   1939d ago
DJ
you sony only guys are taking this way outta proportion. they said definite racing game this gen...

...but NONE of you are quick to defend any other racer out there. it doesn't bother you that the list includes MANY titles. if this were about Grid, you'd just blow it off.

no, you guys just want to put GT as THE ONLY game that turn 10 is inferring. i can see how it's between EXCLUSIVE racers, but you guys are way too serious over this whole thing. turn 10 never called out anyone or any game in particular. they're NOT competing with GT. GT IS NOT on Xbox 360. PGR 4, GRID, the NFS series THOSE games are.

gosh people.
Information Minister  +   1939d ago
@ 1.19
It weren't the "sony only guys" that took this "way outta proportion". It was turn 10 themselves, when they started bashing GT (and ONLY GT) for no good reason. Not GRID, not NFS, not PGR, JUST GT!
So as you see, GT IS THE ONLY game that turn 10 is inferring.

"Turn 10 never called out anyone or any game in particular"? Have you been living under a rock?
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potenquatro  +   1939d ago
@1.19
I get what you're saying. But Turn10 has being talking too much thou. imo.
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PopEmUp  +   1939d ago
Hmm Turn 10 would like to say something
"Forza 3 is the definitive racer this generation!!! Forza 3 is the definitive racer this generation!!! Forza 3 is the definitive racer this generation!!! Forza 3 is the definitive racer this generation!!! Forza 3 is the definitive racer this generation!!! Forza 3 is the definitive racer this generation!!! Forza 3 is the definitive racer this generation!!! Forza 3 is the definitive racer this generation!!"
Megatron08  +   1939d ago
$ony uses all it money to pay off voters. GT isnt even a driving sim its an arcade racer. Plus GT5 isnt even out it took them 3 years of delays to add damage now they have nascar to add to the game that take them another 3-5 years to add the ps5 will be out before GT5.

Also turn 10 had already won this poll. Having idoit ps3 fanboys spam the site days later after finding out gt5 lost is about like that recount in fl.
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R3D  +   1939d ago
LOL! I hope I really do that was all sarcasm Megatron08.

GT5 should have a rainbow Murciélago with a horn on its hood to capture this epic moment in time lmao
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JohnnyBadfinger  +   1939d ago
Turn 10 need to shut it
Saying your game (Forza 3) iis better then GT is just stupid. Its not gunna make then game sell, it just opens it up for criticism, and the hype just leads to a let down. It happend to Killzone 2 (sorry Sony fans, but it true) and Halo 3 (sorry Xbox fans, but it true), when both games shipped alot of people could not help but be disappointed with the finished result, both claimed to be the defining games of this Generation but ultimately lead to broken promises and a not as good as could have been scenarios.

I think Turn 10 is setting them selves up for the same deal, while PD are keeping quite and hidden out of site to just let the gamers anticipation built and not the medias.

GT #1 (wins comfortably)
Forza #2 (but not far behind)

And Im a XBOX 360 owner and i can admit that GT is better than Forza, so why can't the PS3 fans admit the Xbox has awsome games?

I know why... but saying it will get me in trouble and banned again.
Syronicus  +   1939d ago
It wasn't just the GT community that got wind of this and voted...
It was Forza fans showing their distaste in a community manager that bribes folks and makes an arse of themselves to get attention. Not once did you ever hear Polyphony Digital come out and try to defend their racer or talk smack, because they know what they have and how successful it has been over the years. Why Turn 10 decided to go down this road is beyond me. I had all respect for their game but have to admit, I lost a little just because of that idiot that talked smack way too much lately.
vhero  +   1939d ago
Even when offering a free gift they cant win?? how much proof do we need which games better before they have even been released?
commodore64  +   1939d ago
Wow looks like the playstationlifestyle.net damage control worked!
The Sony defence force activated in record time, to save face.

Nothing like a bit of viral twittering to bring the Ps3 fanboys a-running. Thanks a million to playstationlifestyle.net

An exemplary case of PS3 brand loyalty coming to the rescue.

A bit sad, imo.
Shadow Flare  +   1939d ago
@1.19
Do you think GRID is the definitive racing game this generation? Gran Turismo is the most successful and critically acclaimed driving simulator in the world. Trust me, turn 10 were talking about gran turismo
arika  +   1939d ago
if you want realistic racing simulation that is almost close to perfection as possible then go for GT5

if you want an off the wall off road racer and exotic places go for MOTORSTORM 1&2

if you want a better alternative to mario cart with an additional create and share feature you can't go wrong with MODNATION RACER

if you want the best futuristic racing game go for WIPEOUT HD

and if you want a second rate trying hard copy cat well, go for FORZA 3. LOL! sad but true...
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Syronicus  +   1939d ago
@ commodore64
I have to ask the question:

Why is brand loyalty a bad thing? Polyphony Digital has spent years developing great games to earn that loyalty and now that the peoples vote has swayed in the direction of the larger more well known franchise, brand loyalty is a bad thing? Come on, where's the common sense in that? Wasn't it brand loyalty that encouraged the Forza 3 folks to vote for their favorite franchise? It would seem so...
JHUX  +   1938d ago
El zorro, fanboys are all hypocrites, and there aren't that many fanboy posts in here anyway (I havent read all comments keep in mind).... Notice how 360 fanboys were using this poll to declare forza the king of racers "taking the crown from the GT series", well now that tables turned in one day (especially since forza devs tried bribing there fans to vote rofl), now 360 fans are saying "Well you cant make a decision til' the games out". Whose the hypocrite again? See how easy it was for me to do that? lol.... Besides I dont think many sony fans are even using this as proof of it being better, there mainly rubbing it into turn 10 (which they deserve it), for trying to rig a poll and still lose.
bnaked  +   1938d ago
Thats nothing else than a PS3 vs 360 poll.. crap
Ausbo  +   1938d ago
i will tell you why so many people care
because the ps3 fanboys swarm the internet while the xbox gamers play their games on their xbox rather than vote in polls on the web, and that is the reason why every article on this site is ps3 ftw or xbox sucks.
MGSR THE HD VERSION  +   1938d ago
selling more, that's ware it counts....not in the f#cking polls.

ms is going to market sh1t out of forza, it's what ms does, it's what the workers of both ms and turn 10 are payed to do.
edgeofblade  +   1938d ago
So? It's still no more valid than it was before. It's a fracking internet poll. No validity regardless of who is skewing or not skewing the results.
thesummerofgeorge  +   1938d ago
@edgeofblade
What you just said, makes ZERO sense. Individuals voted, although many on the Forza side weren't honest votes as they were bribing people, but the fact that GT5 still won isn't invalid. You think that no internet polls are valid? Explain. Or are you just bitter and grasping at straws cause you're a major fanboy? Individuals voted for their preferred game, other than the bribing on the Forza side, what's invalid about my vote for GT5? Or your vote for Forza (assuming you aren't voting for the bribe as well).
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Sharingan_no_Kakashi  +   1938d ago
Still arguing this eh? Oh well why not.
I guess we can look at it from a technical standpoint.

Both forza and Gran turismo are supposed to be racing simulators, no?
You judge a racing sim based on how realistic it is. The more realistic the better, yes?
By more realistic I don't only mean the cars react the same way they do in real life but they look the same as the would in real life. Thats a graphics thing in case you're wondering.
So the better simulator should have the better graphics and the better physics. That would be Gran Turismo.
StalkingSilence  +   1938d ago
anyone see the editor's note?
From the Article:
"Editor’s note: After numerous complaints of cheating and in-game content being offered as payment for votes, I’ve decided to close the poll. Way to ruin the fun for the rest of us, guys."
rockleex  +   1938d ago
So before GT won the poll...
Everybody had been saying from the beginning that its an internet poll about two games that haven't even been released yet, so its not valid. So people were pointing out that bribing to win an invalid poll is just stupid.

But 360 fans were saying its "not really bribing" so the poll's still valid.

Now that GT won the poll, 360 fans suddenly agree with the rest of us that the poll was invalid to begin with. All the while the PS3 fans are just laughing at how Turn 10 bribed to win an invalid poll, but still ended up losing!!

Its the equivalent of using steroids to win a regular football match at the park... but still end up losing. O_o

The funniest thing to me is that Cnet decided to close the poll after GT started beating Forza again. I guess they didn't want to see GT pull too far ahead. :P
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Sarcasm  +   1938d ago
"no, you guys just want to put GT as THE ONLY game that turn 10 is inferring"

huh? Turn 10 is the one who keeps saying GT this GT that. So who's fault is it?

Turn 10 downplays GT, what? We're going to defend Grid?
mebob  +   1938d ago
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Not very surprising, i mean the GT series sold over 20miilion+ copies? so its not surprising to see it pull ahead of forza3. i will admit that GT is a better driving sim then most console racing games. But PC racing games take the cake for realistic handling and physics. (although the graphics are no were as good as the new GT, prob due to budget and stuff not the PC it self.)
xhi4  +   1939d ago
LOL
mate Forza 3 got nothing on GT 5

Forza 3, no doubt a great game, but come on, next to GT5....really?
Harri4444  +   1939d ago
Very true
I can't understand how Turn 10 can push out three games while Polyphony digital has been focusing on GT5 the whole time and still have the guts to say that they are running out of improvements. sorry Turn 10 but GT5>F3, and that's never going to change.
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swiftshot93  +   1939d ago
Polyphony worked on GT PSP too
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Harri4444  +   1939d ago
yeah i but that's more of a side project...
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Omegasyde  +   1939d ago
GT5 will probally be the last racing game I buy until the next generation of consoles.

I mean come-on, NASCAR + RALLY + Exotic Races?

You can't compete, I am wondering how the hell hey are going to fit this game on 1 blu-ray disc.

Sidenote: Online Polls are stupid, and no one should consider it a definite true sampling. Gran tourismo is still the $#%$@% and my favorite Sony Franchise.
da720izcumin  +   1938d ago
wow
this game is not even out yet....
how would you or anyone else know that it is the king of all driving sims?
lloyd_wonder  +   1939d ago
Hahaha. FAIL

Let's see Forza 3 sell some copies now...
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MGOelite  +   1939d ago
lulz they rigged the competition and still failed
Shaka2K6  +   1939d ago
forza series is trash though nobody but people with no games to play in 2009 would actually vote for that game instead of the historic Gran Turismo...
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Defectiv3_Detectiv3  +   1939d ago
You don't need an online poll to tell you GT5 is the definitive racing sim
The gran turismo series is nothing short of a social phenomenon.

I'm sure if this series never existed racing sims in general would be far less advanced.

I wouldn't even put Forza in the top 3, does nobody remember T.O.C.A.!?
Montreafart  +   1939d ago
Where the stupid bots from the other thread at?
Lmao, the people have spoken INDEED.

Its fking silly to see Forza go against the giant. They probably wanted to do a David vs Goliath thing. But they are not David. They are the fking scumbag schoolyard bully that everyone hates!

Talking shiat like they do, they better bring the money where their fking mouth is! And obviously they failed.

The people have spoken. Please crawl back to your cave.
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blackbeld  +   1938d ago
All GT series are good
Obama  +   1939d ago
If Turn 10 didn't use bribe, they would have even looked more pathetic.
phosphor112  +   1939d ago
No, they look MORE pathetic with the bribe
If they didn't bribe, it would actually be more understandable.
JHUX  +   1938d ago
Yeah they look way more pathetic with the bribe.... they tried to rig the poll so they could win, and they lost...

Lets say if they would have just let it be a fair poll and lost to gt5 everyone could say "well gt series has always had a bigger fanbase thats understandable".... etc etc.
AssassinHD  +   1938d ago
You want to know what I think on the matter? I think that if Turn 10 had never offered a reward then Forza 3 probably would have won the poll. Forza 3 was ahead from the beginning, and because that poll got so much publicity as a result of that bribe, the GT community became more aware of the poll and mobilized to vote for GT.
peedie16  +   1939d ago
why can't both games co-exist
DoucheVader  +   1939d ago
They Can!
Both games can co-exist, but if you have a popularity poll like this don't skew the results. Take your loss in popularity. It's not the end all and be all, but clearly if you are going to take GT5 on, be prepared for some horns.
Sarcasm  +   1938d ago
Yes both games can co-exist.

But not to Turn 10. With their streak of slander and crap they've been spewing lately, it makes me wish they'd just shut up and focus on the game instead.
lloyd_wonder  +   1939d ago
haha. CNET is a pro Microsoft site also. Can't BS the masses, I guess.
thelastmexican  +   1938d ago
Are these games even out yet? .... NO!! So who give a rats behind??
Why dis  +   1939d ago
Not surprising this poll was ran through every PS3 forum on the web. Forza scores higher in reviews.
DJ  +   1939d ago
Why dis
Why hate? =P
CaseyRyback_CPO  +   1939d ago
scores dont matter. As prototype and the rest of the 360's lineup is forcing you guys to admit.
The 360 has no AAA's yet you guys are all pretending to enjoy the games right? lol. I think its safe to say the scores argument is finally wrapped up. Its all subjective opinions from fat guys.

"buh buh scorrreeezzz" GT has sold more copies than Forza: The arcade driving adventure with Paint Plus 8 cars on track, non 1080p, CGI "Creative" trailers, less cars than a PSP game, and shipping on multiple discs.

As a car fan, why on earth would you try to pretend forza has more to offer other than an earlier release date? It literally is out paced by a Nascar/WRC/Supercar/800+Produc tion vehicle title that invented the genre. The second you say "bu who cares abo wrc.." is the second I know you aren't a car enthusiast. Which is why Forza will always cater to arcade owners who want to "REWIND" their SIM, and flip over cars..

GT5's specs alone = better game than forza3 ever will be. Sorry. Gran turismo is about second to none vehicles. Which it will always have. The 360 just isn't capable of competing when it comes to this.
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Why dis  +   1939d ago
Sony fans in a collective effort ran the poll through PS3 sites and know the forza dev has been hyping Forza 3. PS3 fans are already upset Forza is coming out this year and the fact media are saying it looks just as good as any GT game has PS3 fans sensitive to all related articles.

Go google the poll nothing but PS3 sites involved.
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GiantEnemyBOT  +   1939d ago
GT1 - 96
GT2 - 93
GT3 - 95
GT4 - 89

Forza 1 - 92
Forza 2 - 90

Lulz, sorry what? And don't bother throwing in prologue scores because they are what they are: prologues.

Oh and not lets forget about teh sallleeez!

GT Franchise - 50mil +
Forza Franchise - 5mil tops?
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CaseyRyback_CPO  +   1939d ago
Whydis, you're so sad. They started mess with the gigantic Gran Turismo community. Of course the sites will be Playstation related, because there ...
Turn10 is scared of PD. WHich is why they cant help but talk trash at every opportunity they get.

Its also why they tried to Bribe people on their OFFICIAL WEBSITE to rig a POLL on CNET. Are you really this blind? I mean I know you have on sub HD low scoring 360 goggles, but still.

Turn10 wouldn't be in the news today if they didn't talk about the best driving sim out there, Gran Turismo.

You don't talk trash about a 52 million dollar franchise, and expect the community to not act. Especially when you bribe people on your OFFICIAL FORUMS to skew a poll of which game is best.

You're in denial if you think a few hundered people is the only difference between the forza community, and the GT community lol. This could have been worse.
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GiantEnemyBOT  +   1939d ago
Yes go enjoy Forza while you can. I know GT fans must wait. I was always wondering why they were taking so long with the game. Then I saw the trailer. Nascar, WRC, and damage (not to mention to PSP GT)? When they add things that no one on the face of the planet other than Polyphony or Sony can even expect to see it coming, then the delay is justified. If Turn 10 is serious about competing head to head with the King, you're going to need a lot more than 400 cars. Even GT2 had 600+ cars. Is this a joke?
hulk_bash1987  +   1939d ago
@ Whydis : Listen man........
Forza has been a solid racing sim so far and it looks to continue that trend with 3 but GT has always had a huge following and Polyphony has always raised the bar on photo realism in their games. That's something no one, can take away from them.

@ below, that's because GT has been around this industry for a good long time. Ergo alot of people waiting for the release of GT5 which will help boost both PS3 hardware and software sales.

@ disagrees wer am i wrong??
GT= AAA Metascore and Worldwide sales of 50+ million spanning 3 console generations
Forza= AAA Metascore and Worldwide sales of 5 million spanning 2 console generations
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Why dis  +   1939d ago
GT4 2005. scores 89
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

Forza 2005. scores 92
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

Forza 2 2007. scores 90
http://www.metacritic.com/g... (would have been higher if it had better graphics)

You posted games before the Forza franchise even existed and tried to hide the lower scoring GT4 because thats when the Forza franchise came around and raised the bar on what console sims should be. You edited your post and added GT4 I see. I love how you posted games before Forza was on the market with GT unchallenged and even games from PS1 when its only competition was MarioKart lol. I was talking GT games released during the time of Forza games.

HIT DISAGREE IF YOU AGREE.
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lloyd_wonder  +   1939d ago
Why dis
Hahaha. Forza is going downhill.

First a 92 then a 90? haha
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Halochampian  +   1939d ago
@giant robot
funny how you leave out 4 as well. You cant just leave out the games you want. You brag about them all the time. just as well leave them in the averaging.

GT: 96
GT2: 93
GT3: 95
GT CONCEPTS: 74
GT 4 PRO: 70
GT4: 89
GT HD: 82
GT 5 PRO: 80

average: 84.875

Forza: 92
Forza 2: 90

average: 91

Not dissing the gt series. i have most all of them. But just dont put the scores you want to see

@casey below

you want to bring sales into it now? you never cared about sales when halo was in the mix or wii sports or anything like that... why is it ok to now?
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GiantEnemyBOT  +   1939d ago
I forgot to add GT4 and edited it in before you made that comment. What would I have to lose if I did it on purpose? That it scored 1 point lower than the almighty Forza 2?

Edit: I'm talking to Why Dis btw, not the guy above me.
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CaseyRyback_CPO  +   1939d ago
Poor whydis, can only hide behind scores. Can't talk about quality or game features, or sales..
lol... "buh buh 90%"
GiantEnemyBOT  +   1939d ago
GT going unchallenged...Maybe, but I prefer calling it...inventing the f*cking genre that Turn 10 happened to adopt and feed off of.

Guy below: Name a few. Maybe inventing it was a bit extreme. How about perfecting it?
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Halochampian  +   1939d ago
@robot
yea... let's dismiss all the other racing sims before GT....

It made the genre become more famous but definitely didnt create it.
swiftshot93  +   1939d ago
LOL @ using spin prologues and spin offs to compare. Freaking pathetic.
hulk_bash1987  +   1939d ago
@ Halochampion
lol wow ure gonna call out GT HD?? Which was basically a FREE showcase of what the game would look like on the PS3 only a couple of months out of launch. Bravo my friend....Bravo.
steck67  +   1939d ago
I find it sad that you determine a franchise is better than the other based upon numbers.
Halochampian  +   1939d ago
@people above me
Im not calling any game out or saying one is better or not. To be honest... i dont own a single forza game but own 3 GT games.

All i did was go to metacritic and type out the scores for ALL the games of each franchise and average them out.

You all made the assumptions there onward.
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el zorro  +   1939d ago
Forza 1 & 2 have higher average scores than the Gran Turismos released around the same time frame, so ps3 fans move the goalposts and start talking about sales, ignoring their hypocrisy of having downplayed sales all these years when it comes to games like Halo and Gears of War.

The hypocrisy and dishonesty of most ps3 fanboys never ceases to amaze me.

@ eagle below me....by which criteria is Gran Turismo 4 a better game than Forza 2? In your own fevered fanboy brain it might be better but in the real world Forza 2 received better scores than Gran Turismo 4.
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eagle21  +   1939d ago
@why dis....here's a box of tissues. :)
360 fans are delusional....Gran Turismo 4 was on ps2. It's still better than forza 2 which lost to Motorstorm for Racing GOTY 07' by the way (11th annal AIAS).

http://www.interactive.org

GT HD was a free download of 1 track that kills forza 2 graphics any day of the week. Some of the most stupid posts ever from why dis and halo champion. :)
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Omegasyde  +   1939d ago
Forza 1 vs Gt4
Total Ammount of Cars:
GT4: 721 cars
FZ1:231 cars

Tracks:
GT4: 51 tracks
FZ1: 31 tracks

Extras:
FZ1: Online racing, damage, paint editor
GT4: Simulation mode, LAN racing, Photo Ops (can save to USB)

Let the stats talk since this is the only true comparison as of yet, since Forza 3 and Gt5 aren't out. These version were both on last gen of consoles (The PS2 & Xbox 1). I think the edge goes to GT4, however I do remember it was fun racing online in Forza w/ a FU paint job :)
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Uzesgelen_Goo  +   1939d ago
@Why Dis
Why are you comparing PS2 game to Xbox360 game?
is you beloved xbox weakered that much?
for me my xbox still working and doing fine but just can't catch PS3. right now PS3 is the gaming and movie machine out there
JHUX  +   1938d ago
you should really just ignore why dis.. I know its hard sometimes cause hes one of the biggest fanboys on the site and spews such BS all the time, but if you ignore him and his 100 other accounts he might just go away. If the ps3 and 360 switched and gt5 was on 360, and everything was the exact same as it is he would be a die hard GT fanboy, hes loyal to Microsoft and will not let anything change his mind. Hes an example a mindless fanboy.
ptotoy  +   1939d ago
LOL i did not even cast a vote on that poll
the people have spoken.. in your face turn 00 and M$.. GT is the winner
Skyreno  +   1939d ago
Forza great looking game, But GT5 is Far FAR FAR!!! way better than forza
INehalemEXI  +   1939d ago
indeed.
dopeboimagic92  +   1939d ago
Not surprising really. In all honesty, how many votes can you skew on a developer website? Like people have said, people on that site probably would have voted for Forza anyways...
DJ  +   1939d ago
You sure?
I mean, here's just one example of what the forum users said:

“I voted Forza 3 but I have to say based on the trailers GT looks more impressive.”

Yeah, the rare car giveaway definitely had an effect.
Legendary-Status  +   1939d ago
umm..
GT5 will be a Monster...lol
Myst  +   1939d ago
*Reaches for that Platinum trophy*

Anyway don't think I ever played either one of those titles, but I suppose I should give them at least a shot. Both sound like they would be nice picks.
Skyreno  +   1939d ago
lol i was about to vote for GT ,but guess i dont need to...... look who winner!!!! :)
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KionicWarlord222  +   1939d ago
*claps*

Forza 3 will be a great game.

Cant wait to october...

:)
TheBrit  +   1939d ago
Me too
I cant wait until October. Because I really dont care if Forza isn't as pretty as GT - it's better everywhere else. LOL they are even trying to come up with a variant of the forza auction house for GT.

Hey GT guys, out of curiosity, which YEAR is it that you cant wait for? Again, we cant wait for October. ** 2009 **

P.S your 'damage' model so far has sounded like it's all aesthetics - I wonder how it will play out in the end. I wonder if the damage will actually affect the cars like it does in Forza and eliminate the bumper car racing you have in GT where you know you can just hit someone and keep on trucking.
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lloyd_wonder  +   1939d ago
hahaha

FAIL
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Serg  +   1939d ago
I guess the lecture the longer you wait the greater the reward comes with greater age.

I see no benefit in rushing a product on the market if the developer sees room for improvement. Gothic 3 was so full of bugs the moment you started the game you felt like these bugs will crawl out of your PC. By the time The Witcher reached Gold status it was already collecting dust on store shelves for over half a year. But at least they managed to finish the product, the 360 is still as faulty as back in 2005.

Turn 10 will only be able to get GT fans who only own a PS3 to buy a 360 if PD quits, will not happen anytime soon. So all this pointless blabbering already backfired when they first opened their arrogant and disrespectful mouths. There is a good reason GT has so many fans.

It feels like Turn 10 kicked the hell out of their punchbag, feeling almighty climbing the ring and challenging the Klitschko brothers (Polyphony Digital), and they feel like having more important things to do than wiping the floor with amateurs, like starring in german "Milchschnitte" commercials, or in PDs case, tweaking GT5 towards perfection.
kws1065  +   1939d ago
Same here. I really can't wait till October
I really can't wait to see that Forza3 sell even less than Gran Turismo PSP.
Sez  +   1939d ago
@kws1065 -
i can't wait either. i can't wait to see that the psp go won't outsell the gameboy advance. see what i did there.

oh and GT for the psp won't outsell anything. you fail
DNAgent  +   1939d ago
I think we all knew GT5 (the GT series in general) is the king of all driving sims.
Just like how inFamous is a lot better than Prototype (aka: Hulk Ultimate Destruction).
hulk_bash1987  +   1939d ago
TBO ive never really enjoyed...........,
racing sims as much as I enjoy their arcadey counter parts. However, Ive owned almost every Gran Turismo since the PS1 and IMO its always gotten better with every following iteration; with the exception of the debacle that was the cutting of online in GT 4. Cant wait to get this game and hit up the online with my friends, who are all gear heads so im gonna get owned, lol.

@disagrees lol jus because i enjoy burnout more, doesnt mean i hate or dislike GT, quite the opposite actually.
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mirroredderorrim  +   1939d ago
It's good to be the King.
Nelson M  +   1939d ago
Forza 3 King of all Flops !!!!
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Microsoft Xbox 360  +   1939d ago
A game featuring only 400 cars is nothing to brag about in the first place.

Even GT PSP will have more cars than Forza 3. LOL
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soxfan2005  +   1939d ago
PSP Ridge Racer, released in 2005, has more cars and tracks than ANY PS3 exclusive racer. When GT PSP hits, there will be TWO PSP games with more content than any PS3 exclusive racer. What's your point? Do you really want to open that can of worms? It will make PS3 look worse than 360.

I'll take quality over quantity any day. After all, isn't that what PS3 fans always say?
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LeShin  +   1939d ago
@soxfan2005
You know that GT4 had 700+ cars right?

You also know that Polyphony Digital have yet to release a full game on the PS3 right?

Turn 10 wants everybody to compare their games to the GT series, I say let them. But comparing Forza 3 to a game no one knows anything about is extremely silly, because if they do have more features than you, you'll look stupid.
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JHUX  +   1938d ago
Well I wouldnt of brought this up but since you did I will go with it.

I will always take Quality over quantity, but in this case looking at game specs GT5 not only wins in quantity, but also wins in quality.

Im not going to take the time to compare specs, most everyone should know them by now... but you just owned yourself with your comment.
Syronicus  +   1938d ago
@ soxfan2005
Nobody brought up Ridge Racer or any other franchise for that matter because it was not them that talked smack against Polyphony Digital, it was the Forza 3 team.
soxfan2005  +   1938d ago
My comment is a sarcastic one aimed at the people who insist on comparing PSP GT to Forza 3 simply because the PSP GT may have 800 cars. Real gamers know there is no comparison between portable and console games. How many cars do you really use anyways? GT games have always used multiple variations of the same cars to boost the car total, while Forza 2's car list (300+) are nearly all unique. In the end, it all comes out nearly even.

As far as GT5 for PS3, I would not have even made any comment if GT5 actually had a release date, but it doesn't. The full version of GT5 exists only in a 45 second unplayable video, while Forza 3 is nearly complete. It's not Turn 10's fault that GT5 is taking so long to finish.

@8.2 - You say GT5 is a game "nobody knows anything about". That hasn't stopped MANY here from proclaiming it "best racing game ever", has it? As for me, I believe in playing games before forming opinions about them, but I'm clearly in the minority in that regard.
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Sarcasm  +   1938d ago
"As for me, I believe in playing games before forming opinions about them,"

So you cant have an opinion on a game just because you haven't played it?

I mean, you cant have a full opinion sure, but surely you can say something like "Wow Splinter Cell looks great based off the videos I've seen."

Is that not an opinion?

And the reason why people believe GT5 will be the true Definitive racing game this generation, is because of the franchise's previous iterations that literally changed the face of Racing Simulators worldwide as well as went on to have amazing sales and recognition.
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MetalGearBear  +   1939d ago
@why dis
WHYDIS is world dumbest gamer.
GT PSP>FORZA3
GT5>FORZA3
u fail
KionicWarlord222  +   1939d ago
.....

How can you compare gt5 psp to forza 3?...

*walks away slowly in disbelief*
Why dis  +   1939d ago
LOL
lordv8der  +   1939d ago
@ Why Dis
Awwww looks like someones out of teh bubbles. shame really, i do enjoy your tantrums.
MetalGearBear  +   1939d ago
if u want GT5 really bad!!!!
BUY PS3. LOL
MajesticBeast  +   1939d ago
hehe ill pass judgement when gt5 is out but damn they do have the topgear test track.
MADPIRAHNA  +   1939d ago
This
is weird. Two games that arent even out are competing, Turn 10 took this to a new level of stupidity. Someone needs to tell them to stop acting like MS..
GarandShooter  +   1939d ago
'Two games that arent even out are competing'

They're not available on the same consoles, so in actuality there is no direct competition, unless you're looking at them as system sellers. This is just more dev and fanboy trash talking.
TheBrit  +   1939d ago
huh?
Forza lost just because more PS3 fanboys thought they should defend a stupid game?! At the end of the day it's a game with everyone here acting like 2 year old idiots defending them.

LOL

<YES I know I posted above - it was to get a rise out of everyone>

Personally I also have both systems but I will get forza because I liked forza 2 and pretty much everyone I race with only have 360's.

I did try the GT demo and out of all seriousness there was nothing that 'wowed' me - actually nothing in forza 'wowed' me either - it's just a really good game. To each their own I guess.

The thing is, once your racing, who cares how great the cars look? I don't even see my car, I use over the hood view, I don't even see the wheel - to me the graphics don't mean squat. After a couple of glances at them, they really shouldn't even register because then your concentrating on racing.
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KionicWarlord222  +   1939d ago
lol

Im going to get forza 3 ethier way. Tried to make uh how you say
" a funny"
GarandShooter  +   1939d ago
'Forza lost just because more PS3 fanboys thought they should defend a stupid game?!'

And what were the 360 fanboys doing...oh that's right they weren't defending their 'stupid game', no they were probably saving the world's starving children as Peace Corps volunteers while all this was going on. Poor innocent victims.

And Turn 10 wasn't handing out Unicorn car bribes, those were C.A.R.E. packages...
TheBrit  +   1939d ago
I said that! I acknowleged there were 360 fan boys voting for Forza
I said MORE ps3 fan boys were defending their game. I didn't say that there were no 360 fan boys defending forza - comprehend the sentence would you - MORE ps3 means there are 360 fan boys, just less of them defending the game.
GarandShooter  +   1938d ago
I comprehend just fine.

'YES I know I posted above - it was to get a rise out of everyone''

Touche. And I got a rise out of you. Thanks for playing! :)
XDF  +   1939d ago
Both Why Dis Nutz and CaseyHumpback need to STFU...
It is a freaking stupid poll. Xbox 360 gamers will enjoy Forza 3 this OCT and PS3 owners can enjoy their GT5 prologue until GT5, whenever that game decides to come out.

Me...I am just sitting here enjoying all the great games that are coming out on my PS360. You people are too much.
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Unicron  +   1939d ago
You think people would learn about opinions and get sick of the whole "my toy is better than your toy because I like my toy more" bit.
JHUX  +   1938d ago
I assume a majority of the people here are below the age of 14. It would make a lot of sense here. sadly though something tells me they are older. I wonder how many amazing games the average fanboy misses out on cause he refuses to play something on the "enemies" system.
lelik  +   1939d ago
Turn 10 have been making themselves look like douchebags since E3. This epic failure of a stunt has pretty much lost them all of my respect.
ps92117  +   1939d ago
Can we stop this sh*t, all the sudden GT is being compared to other games and I really fu*king hate that, this articles will only aggravate this sh*t so stop.
steck67  +   1939d ago
@thebrit
"Again, we cant wait for October. ** 2009 **" I know, your first possible AAA exclusive this year! EDIT: Read my comment below and answer, im waiting.
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XDF  +   1939d ago
Wrong..
2nd of 4 Big exclusives AAA million plus selling games this Fall..

1. Halo ODST in Sept
2. Forza 3 in October 12
3. Splinter Cell Conviction on Oct 20
4. And L4D2 on Nov 17th

PS3.....Uncharted 2 sometime in Fall...Anything else interested I should get for my PS3?
el zorro  +   1939d ago
Halo Wars is also a big exclusive. It received pretty much the same scores as Infamous and sold better than Killzone 2 (and probably more than Infamous).
TheBrit  +   1939d ago
HUH?!
What am I commenting on? I don't care about AAA titles - never said I did - I like games regardless if they are AAA, exclusive, cross platform, on a 360 or a ps3 (not a Wii I sold it to get a ps3 because it bored the life out of me accept for drunken wii boxing) - the truth is, I prefer my xbox360 controller to my ps3 controller and i prefer xbox live to psn.

I have been with xbox live since beta days and I'm just more accustomed to it and I refer it.
SuperSharpShooter  +   1939d ago
turn 10s
like a crazy girlfriend craving for attention!
sure you like her for a while but,being with her 247?
naaa
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