Platform Nation wrote an editorial piece on the differences between the two motion control technologies and went on and explained which they feel is going to be the best of the two technologies.
this kind of articles are based on opinions and thus should not be here.... if its opinions you want, read all my comments, even, I make more sense than this fool...
natal=casual games and shovelware ala wii, it cant even sense wrist or finger movements yet, god knows when they will perfect it so it actually comes out..(and suddenly fanboys love motion sensing LMAO) PS3 controllers=sony is aiming to use it in regular games like FPS and swordplay as it was demostrated, it was more accurate than the wii and theyre trying to merge hardcore games with motion sensing.. lol which one sounds better? have fun playing shovelware with natal..
Dasbunker the pink Sony dildo IS a wii controller .... you just pwned yourself !!!
So if they said Natal won this article wouldn't be flamebait? FYI, d00d, people who say one motion tech is more impressive than the other are stating their opinion, not fact, no matter what site it comes from. Personally I think both of them are equally shìt
I won't lie, I didn't see the MS press conference so I cannot comment on Natal's potential, but I did see Sony's motion sensing debut. I have to say I was impressed. 1:1 tracking was coolness, but the demo with the sword and shield was extremely cool to me. Imagine an interactive RPG where you deflect a blow then parry with a sword; THAT is cool to me. And the whole bow and arrow demo. THAT was seriously coolness! I was also impressed by how precise it was. The guy was even able to write out his name smoothly. I hope that MS can do as well but I think they might have a lot to live up to. Sony's demonstration blew me out of the water. Such precision can't be easy to do, but hey. Since I have a PS Eye, it might be something I'd look at in the future if they can do good things with it.
I have to ask, why is it a flamebait story? I read it and have to say that they make some very valid points. Having a controller with buttons and the ability to have motion control is great for that extra level of detail in games that might not be achievable in games using the sensing of body motions. Is this article flamebait simply because they give greater props to Sony's idea?
My exposure to MS devs leads me to believe that folks working on these games and peripherial are much more intelligent than the normal folks on the internets... I'm exposed to MS biz/dev/qe/support folks quite a bit. I've not been exposed to the gaming personnel all that much, though. In my experience, they've all be top notch at their respective fields. One interesting note that I'll convey is that that DirectX dev and XBox gaming dev are two of the most highly competitive dev departments in MS. This means that those guys are really the best of the best that you'll see; probably similar to top guys at Google or Yahoo. Knowing this apriori, whatever we think will work or not work in terms of game controls, they will hash and refine to death before releasing. Really, aside from the debaucle-of-the-rings, every facet of XBox strategy has been top notch, in my opinion. And I suspect that deliver of Natal will be similarly high in quality, content and execution.
PS3 will have more better games for their tech..i dont see anything mind blowing coming from natal..It seeem like another eye toy that sony created for the ps2
y the hate? all i am saying is that this guy makes no sense. who is to say, that you agree with him only because u r infact a ps3 fanboy....while i am a gamer? how can you say, the dildo is better than natal, when you didn't see natal in action? i saw the dildo in action, and let me tell you....it's not pretty... the thing couldn't even hit a tennis ball with a pan!!! you know, if i was good with sexual innuendos...this could turn ugly!
to be honest microsoft is doing a killzone 2 stunt and when GG delivered that was not a problem My question is will microsoft deliver ? i dont think so and again This is a eye toy with a upgrade we have been there done that now eye pet that is something cool and again i have seen no live game play yet but for sony to can or hold the getaway and 8 days for eye pet i no there is going to be something amazing i dont think this is the last we will see coming from sony they have the best ideas the ps3 MC will gain exclusive some more also and not just like wii games im talking hardcore games
Let's be real here, the only reason Microsoft doesn't have a controller is because Sony patented the technology a long time ago. Natal can't even read black people! /facepalm
I get your joke. But not all black people are dark skinned. Use therm term correctly cause if I'm not mistaken Obama or Tiger Woods aren't dark skinned but considered black.
Ehm, Lloyd you fail: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Isn't Obama 50% white 50% black.
The can't recognize black people was a cute joke yesterday, but it is time to drop it. It borders on racism now.
Dude you must be really high. I dont understand a damn thing your saying. LOL!
Well BAM there it is!
Lol wow had no idea the eyetoy was that much garbage. :/ Never count on Sony to use something well. But jesus christ those eye toy games were bad lol.
Yer looking at the future of Natal right there, buddy. (>.0) You excited?
yea i dont have high hopes for natal, but I hope they use it as a complimentary or alternative control for retail games, not as a replacement or only control method. :) like they could use it for the definitive racer this gen forza 3 as a camera view method, it could read your head tilt and move the camera inside the co ckpit accordingly.
"Socomnick "Hey you forgot to mention how the ps3 is a complete failure and will get canceled by the end of 2010 :)" What a fanboy you are no wonder no one taking you seriously Lmao and upgrade of eyes toy, I want to see an article about this more worthy than the one I'm on now lol
Quote from that video: "I sure love whacking balls!" ROFLMAO
I think that the "magic rods" made by Sony will come for the PS3 but the one beeing developed by MS does not seems ready enough and my guess is that it will come only more to the future with the new xbox console.
they'll both suck. i don't care how 'hardcore' they say they'll be, they'll suck the proverbial peni5
Opinions eh? Great aren't they? However, that's all we have. Wew haven't got ouy hands on either to see if Natal even works as well as the Eyetoy or if the Sony dildo works as demoed.Can we stop til we do? I'm getting bored-and that's without starting on effin' Milo.
Will find out when release...and a real demo comes out for it.
I think they both have potential. Alot of potential in fact. But I don't really wanna get too hyped over either at this point in time. We don't really know when exactly we'll see this technology and even if it does work it still has to be implemented properly into games. And I'd really like to see games that serious gamers would like to play. Games that I'd like to play. When the Wii was first announced I was very excited. There seemed to be so many possibilities with these new control mechanics. Ultimately I was rather disappointed. I'm not trying to bash the Wii at all. If it's your preferred system I respect that. Not everyone's looking for the same thing when it comes to gaming. It's just that for me personally I felt (and still feel) that the Wii's motion controls were not well implemented into most games. And didn't have the precision I was expecting. That's not to say that Project Natal or Sony's motion controller will turn out the same way... but I'll curb my enthusiasm till I see (and can get my hands on) some real games that use these new peripherals. I think it's much too early to be talking about which is better at this point. Even if one were to turn out to be the 'superior' technology, there's still the question of whether we'll see any really good games take advantage of it. And how many people really want "a new way to play".
It depends almost entirely on the software support. But imo Sony's has far more potential. Perfect 1:1 control for shooters and any thing else. No matter how fancy it is Natal is just a camera and is extremely limited by that. Either way they both kind of have to be made standard.
i think sony's motion controller has more potential when you think about the direction sony is going.i can see the pattern of progression. in the beginning,sony thought to just make a controller that just extended just beyond the super nintendo controller set up of buttons.but when nintendo added analog,they didn't think ahead for 3D and that's when sony thought of the second analog for controlling the camera. when nintendo added a rumble pack,sony thought vibration should be not just built in,but give you two types of sensation.the dualshock was born.as much as i love sega(the old sega),they didn't learn with the dreamcast and made rumble at the top and not in your hands.it didn't feel right.but i still loved the DC. then sony thought of introducing the pressure sensative buttons.giving you some type of control when playing racing games and such.but they still thought ahead for consoles.then the addition of the eyetoy.great fun,but limited.(i have both cameras.) "no hands ma!" but the problem was no real feedback,no precise control,no extra abilities through multiple buttons.so sony birthed the pseye.and that camera will do amazing things once sony gets the ball rolling.it just needed a motion controller to go with it.and we just saw it at E3.and i think we all know about sony's patents. the games that can be made go beyond controller-less gaming.full fps games can be made,games like oblivion can be played,racing games can be made,fighting games can be made(one controller is the wheel,the other a shifter.buttons on controller are gas and brake),drum mania type music games.it's just too many to list. but,it doesn't end,sony WILL have 3D games that come out that really pop out the tv(maybe ps4.it will start on ps3).and using the new motion controller will be awsome with it.but no,it doesn't end.when and if gaming goes virtual with a headset and head tracking,sony will still be ready.you will still have full control,real feedback,precision and extra abilities through multiple buttons.but the game will be wrapped around YOU the gamer.(just think of a horror game like grudge or fatal frame...just wow!) can't wait to see it.sony may have looked rough at E3 until rick and anton got going,but it's natal that has to catch up with those fake videos.natal seems great until you really think about it.it's missing something sony learned with pseye:you need a controller and 1:1 precision. see the leaks?sony's has been working on this stuff for years. filter effects http://www.youtube.com/watc... action reaction(1:00 in video-cool candle room) http://www.youtube.com/watc... color tracking http://www.youtube.com/watc... playstation drawing http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... haven't seen one thing cool from microsoft except a marketing video with actors for natal.total sham.i'll leave you with this: http://www.youtube.com/view... http://www.youtube.com/watc... apocalypse................... .
Its just pretty simple: Natal: tracks 48 points in the human body (or even scans objects if you want to track other stuff) for FOUR persons at the same time. Recognizes faces and starts profiles. As you still got your hands free, you can CHOOSE to use a controller with it, to even control more stuff the way you're used to. PS3 dildo: tracks 1 or 2 points, direct copy of the Wiimote. You got the hands filled, so not able to use the traditional controller together with this new dildo. Natal is far, far more enhanced motion technology. The PS3 dildo fails.
Site your source that says the PS3 Eye can only track 1 or 2 sources. The PS Eye is able to track MUCH MORE than that, go look up everything even the PS2 Eyetoy was able to do on youtube. And the PS3 Eye can do much more than that. Natal doesn't like blacks, Natal was CGI and Acting, Natal couldn't properly show off an Avatar's foot without glitching, Natal is not 1:1, Natal is not tangible, Natal is the furthest from release. And it's better, how?
But the PS3 dildo tracks those points way more accurate than the anal.
Introducing the revoultionary 360 freedom controller, which tracks motion and is bundled with minigames galore and fun for the whole family....look familiar? In other news Eye toy can do facial recognition and 3D tracking as demoed back in Feburary 2005. This was written in an article by gamespy titled "Mind-Numbing New Interface Technologies" with Dr. Richard Marks as the speaker and demonstrator. Not to mention the Ps2 Game "Operation Spy" had Facial recognition as part of the game.
I am really interested to know more about the controller patents argument. Do you have any more information. Is there a website tracking these patents? I really suspect Nintendo cannot add a camera for tracking because they don't hold a patent like Sony and Microsoft have. The Wiimote Plus sort of provide 1:1 tracking because there is a gyroscope inside the add-on like those used on airplanes. But it will always have delay and really complicated movements will not really work (because of the delay). The same physical problems with airplanes gyroscope that cannot be fixed. Microsoft cannot pair the camera with the controller because Sony holds the patent. I think Microsoft is not stupid and adding a controller will solve a lot of issues straight away. Patent violation is the only logical explanation. I think all three companies are very careful about any patent violation after the Rumble lawsuits.
That would open up a whole lot of really cool opportunities. In fact, i am absolutely positive they will include Natal exclusive features into Halo:Reach, which will guarantee millions of sales of Natal to Halo fans who want "the full Halo: Reach experience."
Let me first say that i agree to your skepticism of Natal. Back to pairing controller with the camera, please correct me if I am wrong, but i think the Microsoft's official response is to scan an object in your hand and the camera will track the object. I have been searching for posts but Microsoft never say anything about pairing a controller with the camera. Although most people including you think this will be the case because it is a really logical thing to do. While the current controller is compact enough to be hold in one hand, it was meant to be used with both hands holding it. There will be some ergonomics issue in a long gaming session. And as you are aware Natal is currently much better tracking the movements of the limbs rather than fingers, therefore using Natal with both hands tied to the controller is not very ideal setup. A new controller is needed just for holding it in one-handed even if the controller has absolutely nothing to do with the motion sensing. Anyway, what I am trying to find out is for those 3 companies to come up with so vastly different ways to do motion tracking is baffling. I would like to know the reason why. And I can only think of patents as the only answer to my question but I am not sure.
The ideas i've seen from people on threads for using Natal with a controller would be things like turning your head a little bit to move the in-c0ckpit view of a racing game and throwing a grenade in an FPS by arcing your arm in a throwing motion, which could allow for more precise throws. I don't think they would need to make a special controller because they could easily work around the current one. I do agree that a new controller designed with Natal in mind would probably make the integration better.
Look carefully at what has been shown. 1: Promotional video that is obviously actors mimicking pre-rendered footage put in front of them (evidence: none of those "games" were demoed anywhere) 2: Milo was very impressive, but i had one question while i watched it. "Why didn't Milo turn around the paper and show us the picture that the woman drew for him?" I don't have degree in marketing, but even i saw an opportunity for a real "WOW" moment there. It turns out that the whole Milo video was mostly smoke and mirrors (evidence shown other places: When you see the woman playing in the water, the water and her reflection move before she does). Even people who were in the behind-closed-doors demo of Milo say they got the impression that there was someone "behind the curtain." There is no reason to expect Milo to be as far along in development as it looked, after all it would be, by far, the most advanced A.I. ever seen on a games console, but Molyneux is also infamous for over-promising. Milo is this year's "E3 '05 Killzone trailer." A promise of things to come, not an example of what's available now. 3: On stage demos. a: There was a definite delay of probably at least 1/2 second between what was done on stage and what was shown on the big screen. Some of that could possibly be due to a delay between the box and the screen, but watching the Ricochet demo also had me wondering, "Why are they throwing so many balls at her at once, making her flail about rather than showing how responsive Natal is by letting her hit a few balls individually first?" b: "Have you ever wondered what the bottom of an Avatar's shoe looks like?" No. I've also never wondered what an Avatar dancing like Elaine Bennes from "Seinfeld" would look like, but now i have an answer for both. c: Paint Party. Throwing buckets of paint at a wall was not convincing in the least. Why couldn't he actually DRAW a tree rather than throw brown paint in a line? d: Natal can make a very cool interface for the dashboard, but in the promo video, it shows the people maneuvering the dashboard by casually flipping their fingers from side to side, but on stage Kudo swept his arm from extreme right to past his left shoulder, flipping through several options with each sweep. It would have been much more convincing to flip through one thing at a time. 4: Behind-closed-doors, invitation only demos. By most accounts of people who went behind those closed doors, Natal works very well. But there were apparently no cameras allowed (the only footage to come out of that room is video from Microsoft themselves, which can be carefully edited to mask flaws). Also, most of the people invited in were apparently celebrities rather than gaming journalists. This was probably to have free celebrity endorsements to show to the mass market on YouTube. Again, most accounts are positive, but i have also heard at least one account that says the Burnout demo was slowed down compared to the actual game in order to mask the input delay. It concerns me that Microsoft seems to be using a "shock and awe" strategy with the promotion of Natal. We're being shown much more style than substance. Imagine being shown a used car (sorry for the "used car salesman" cliche reference) and, when we ask to look under the hood, we're distracted with "look how many cupholders it has, and all of those cupholders are adjustable to hold any sized cup. That's cool, huh?" If all of my concerns are legitimate, Microsoft and developers can still work around them and make Natal a really cool product (just imagine using head tracking to make pseudo-3D displays with parallax effects, that alone would be awesome), but as it stands now, it may not be as impressive as it looks.
Natal = Old tech of eyetoy from 2004, not to mention 360's still stuck with DVD lol, OLD TECH OLD TECH OLD TECH OLD TECH OLD TECH Microsoft = copy and steal
thise guy hates microsoft back in 06 he got blasted by major nelson and trixie and he got fired from the mvp ms program and he bicome the ati ms idiot he use to have a website call xboxlive radio but when all the xbox users find out about the un stopoble hate against ms all the users buycut hes website and thats why he created platafornations..
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gamespot /1up/ign/gamepro/gameinformer/ giantbomb/eurogamer/g4tv/gttv/ they all give it a best motion controller and best technology
Wait Wait Wait. Did I hear someone say that Sony doesn't know how to use things well? You mean like the Wii-mote and the stylist for the DS? I guess you haven't been keeping up with the shovel ware that they have made since the beginning using those two unnecessary pieces of rubbish. And stop the Sony Dildo jokes. They were never funny.
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