HD DVD has landed a major hit on Blu-Ray, with the Toshiba HD-XE1 winning the Best Hi-Def Player at the Home Cinema Choice awards. The deck saw off competition from two Blu-ray units, by Panasonic and Samsung, to take top honours...
And nothing more.
With all due respect and no offence intended, I think you're wrong on this one mate. :)
The original T3 article has the same title as above and N4G guidelines state that we should always use the original title where possible.
As regards to you saying it's just about a player winning an award the end of the article says:
"The HD DVD FORMAT wins out because it is simply the genuine article. BluRay hardware and software is trailing behind HD DVD, which offers genuine user benefits."
That's why the title is what it is. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with their conclusion, but on a technical point you can't deny the title is correct cos the article is specifically saying that the HD-DVD player AND format beats BluRay (in their opinion).
Hence, the reason I've approved this story.
They're taking the headline out of context to attract readers. It works, but it's dishonest.
"They're taking the headline out of context to attract readers"
You've just summed up how Tabloid Journalism works! :p
If i was telling someone about this I would be saying something like "yea..the hd beat out the bluray"...i wouldn't say yes the hd dvd won a award. thats fuking stupid...espacially if i am taling to someone about this i know that they only wana know who beat whom
If you're going to nitpick...
a) it's HD DVD not HD-DVD
b) it's Blu-ray not BluRay
it is wrong, but when everyone reads it then they'll see the context...though it's funny when an article has a flamebait title it's alright...hey ho
It does beat blue ray in the best home cenima and I think that is what the article really actually is trying to say.
Considering theres alot of good movies on Blu Ray than HD DVD this is just another lie saying that HD DVD is better when in reality it isnt and the proof is in the sale that Blu Ray saled HD DVD 3 to 1. and of course if you count the PS3 and see this article is wrong when you know that the XBox 360 fans would have to buy the HD DVD to actually make the HD DVD win which in this case its not.
Wtf are you babbling about I have trouble reading all your post.
Reading your post is like trying to solve a Rubik's cube, blindfolded with both my hands cut off.
Did they even include the Ps3 in that test?
Cool they won award. Now try making some money so your format doesnt fail within a year.
HD DVD they sold.
Yeah right!,Blu-Ray for ever!!!
Casino Royale = best HD flick to date and it's a Blu-Ray exclusive!!!(only HD format,excluding DVD version)
HD-DVD won an award,not the format war!!!
Keep that in mind!!!
' ' HD DVD has landed a major hit on Blu-Ray ' '
WOW are you two serious??? I guess the flamebait worked huh.... It won an award.. Why do you guys attack it like the Player punched you in the gut???Hey Says you can you put in some Punctuation in your comments please? I mean your parents don't drop you off at your school for no reason so put some of that stuff to work please/:) Yes BR does have a lot of movies and yes some of them are good no doubt about it.. But HDdvd still has some pretty good movies too ... I mean 15im gonna get TheMatrix in HD... When you getting yours?? Ohh thats right its harder to put in extra features on a BR disk thats why the "InMovieExperience" is pisspoor on BR... But its funny all the Screaming and yelling of "HDDVD is dead!!" Yet here we are ... Blu-ray has a secret weapon and Hddvd is stealing awards from BR... Guess the war isnt over unless your eyes are glazed over by blind allegiance...
"HD DVD beats BluRay"
lol ... just not in sales.
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The stand-alone HD DVD players sale more then Blue-Ray players. Now that they lower the price a bit, so more sale for Toshiba.
What recent movies are bought for this purchase?
And this is why we gotta love n4g its nothing but flame bait.
' 'The stand-alone HD DVD players sale more then Blue-Ray players. ' '
and the PS3 sells alot more then h-dvd add-on so whats the point?
Blu-ray owns the HD era.
but wats a HDDVD player? what does it do? I have never seen it in any stores. can you prove to me that it really ever existed? My friends and family don't know what it is. So I guess HDDVD wins. Even though your common folk have no clue.
This is coming from a home cinema site. They dont give a rats ass about gaming. HDDVD is a better format for hi def movies with more features than bluray. Sales this early in the game mean f all since PS3 owners are buying movies and trading in their coupons cause the lack of games to play. Now that the games are rolling out the movie sales will die down. I really dont care myself cause i have the hddvd addon for the 360 and i will have a blu ray player when i get my ps3 but honestly why get so upset that hd dvd is the videophiles choice. None of you are real videophiles your gamers so let the big boys of home theater battle this one out and stick to fightong over graphics and gameplay instead of formats.
Well, I got about 10 of them AeonFlux, Tomb Raider, Robin Hood, Dune, and a fews others. I don't know what other people bought. Anyway, I was talking about players only. Blu-Ray has more movies sale, that I know.
PS3 has to fail for Blueray to fail. What if and I mean just what if PS3 gets to the 100 million mark like PS2 did. thats a hundred million blueray players. If only 10 percent of people that owned a PS3 got bluerays movies. Blueray will still destroy.
Sales-wise Blu-ray is totally destroying the h-dvd and its only going to get worst when the biggest flicks of last year like pirates of the caribean 2 and cars drop exclusivly on Blu-ray baby!
it could be like the PSP. Not many people who owned the PSP bought a bunch of movies, but bought games. The UMD format still is around, but just for games. Even if bluray fails, the PS3 still could survive. They just wont be #1 if that happens. Thats a big if though.
And yes thats true bluray is beating HD-DVD, but what about comparing that with standard DVD?
you can have the Best hd player in the world but if you have no movies to play it on then whats the point
Blu-ray is now getting into the market alot faster then any format ever in history not even dvd had this fast rate like Blu-ray.
on a technology front, the TV industry is moving towards high definition as a standard and moving away from standard television. As we come closer to that time, DVD's as a format will become extinct.
I believe people are educated enough to know that electronics will have an up and down battle for the best HD player - shortly some other player will take its place and you can bet that the #1 position will swap between the to HD formats. It may beat them all but there is always more affordable options that people can live with or are so close that it really is just being pick. There is also some things people can't live with.
For instance what if there is a movie someone wants that is under one of the "this HD format only" Studio. It doesn't matter how great that HD player is if it doesn't have the movies I like I am not going to buy it. When the consumer has to compare options they must compare what movies they like and who has more of them. Chances are Blu-ray camp is going to have a larger number of favorites to chose from than HD-DVD camp and you can't count studios that produce both blu-ray and HD-DVD since both can access those movies. People will have to decide which format they are going to have to give into and so far seems The Blu-ray groups larger selection of Popular studios with Great Titles are Winning out. This is NOT saying that HD-DVD doesn't have great titles just that their arsenal is not as Deep.
Only time will tell. However no matter what EITHER camp advertise or what awards they flaunt the fact is that both formats are capable of great quality to the point that the differences are minor.
For me I went to the official HD-DVD site to see what movies they listed. I went through the titles I thought I buy but majority of them were from Warner Brothers which is a supposedly dual format supporter so I could eventually get those titles for Blu-ray as well. Bourne is universal which I like and King Kong was o.k. but For me at this time I don't have any "I need" HD-DVD movie titles that won't also come out for Blu-ray. There are titles I would have like to see come out earlier for Universal and I would rather have had Jurassic Park series over King Kong but oh well thats me.... others might think differently. I Like Serenity too but I believe that is not out either for HD-DVD. There are other titles by Universal that have not been released that might persuade me but at this time I have to side with Blu-ray.
A good comment, saying how you truly feel about the situation but using logic and without resorting to fanboyism. I wish we had more comments like this mate.
Positive Feedback on the way! :)
UPDATE: Looks like it worked, you just went up to 6 bubbles after I refreshed the page!
Just so you know, Serenity is out on HD DVD and it looks spectacular!
Also, I'll go with NG and thank you for a non-fanboy, well thought out comment. Rare on this site. Another + for you!
I have to disagree with you on the available movies though...I've actually find that HD DVD has more movies I want right now. Serenity, Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, Clerks 2, and The Mummy series are some of my favorite movies and they're only on HD DVD. The only Blu-ray movie I'm jealous of is Casino Royale...I would be jealous of Fifth Element but I heard they screwed up the video transfer pretty badly on that one. Anyway, just my opinion!
Hey .. anyone want to hear about my new Goldfish ?
awards dont sell movies. movie players do.
I don't know about you guys but I'm interested in hearing about Karmas new goldfish. Is the water clear? are his fins in hi def? can it swim a 60 frames per second?
Yeah, I'm interested in Bad_Karma's goldfish as well.
How many polygons is it made up of, does the goldfish bowl support HDR and will I need DirectX 10 to view it?
The March neilson sales numbers just came in. Bluray is outselling HDDVD 9:2.
Sony just released this report using the numbers provided by neilson.
So shut the #@*& up and stop trying to make is seem like this war is not over.
player vs player.. not format vs. format.
It one player beat 2 other players, not HD beat BR. Not HD is better than BR. They're saying the Toshiba player is better thean the Panasonic and the Samsung players. They do go on to claim it as some sort of vistory over BR but they're so unconvincing (even to themselves) they give no actual fact as to why.
And who cares anyway. HDDVD is dead hardware walking, they just dont know it yet. The best hardware in the world wont survive without any software (you know, movies). The only reason everyone cares is because they're trying to turn this into a pathetic extension of their pathetic console war.
Absolutely no effect on the format war.
The only people that brought up the software stats were the Sony fanboys trying to deffent Blu-ray, they're the ones twisting the meaning of the post with a Knee-Jerk reation due to being threatend for some odd reason.
Then you go on to say:" BINGO, SOMEONE HERE CAN READ"---- and even further, you posted: HDDVD is dead hardware walking", and this is based on what?!, i guess we're back to what you were insulting others of doing. So you used the common sense of the sensible 360 user to make your unfounded point. Reading isn't the problem its the reasoning.
We base our findings on sales data. ACTUAL SALES DATA, Year to date, monthly, weekly, yearly, whatever. Every company out there is saying the same thing, Bluray is outselling HDDVD. In January it was 2:1, February, 3:1, and now March shows that Bluray is winning 9:2.
You find me ONE credible source that says any different and I will eat my words.
Also, I've said this before. Bluray may be in the PS3, but that doesn't mean that every person who supports it are "PS3fanboys." So keep your argument fallacies to yourself. If you want to argue our claims, feel free, but do it in a civilized manner and show some facts. Until then, stfu.
You forgot that DVD is still outselling anything Blu-Ray or HD DVD has to offer.
So did VHS from about 1997 to 2000. You have a point, but it's not a point worth making. New formats sometimes take years to become established. You forget that both formats are less than a year old.
However, Bluray sales data shows that people are adopting the format much quicker than people did with DVD.
Several people on here have used the current ratio of sales in favor of Blu-ray to "prove" that HD DVD is dead. I have to say that I really don't think that the ratio matters at all...what matters is actual sales. Look at the PS2 vs the Xbox...obviously the PS2 outsold the Xbox by about a 10:1 margin, but the Xbox still sold a lot so they kept making games for it.
So, while Blu-ray is outselling HD DVD by a wide margin, it doesn't mean that it isn't profitable for companies such as Warner and Paramount to support HD DVD. It's still selling, and as long as the movie companies are making money, they will continue to support it.
#1 - Formats are NOT consoles. Consoles are a completely different feild altogether. That's partially why I think the term "Console War" is assanine. There can always be more than one console, in fact, there always has (pretty much anyway)
#2 - Entertainment formats are entirely different. Bluray vs. HDDVD is not the first format war, nor will it be the last. In format wars, there can be only 1 victor. There is no "sharing." I'm not just saying this because every format in history has played out like this. Im saying this because consumerism will not allow it. The biggest factor preventing mass adoption of either format is because there are 2. Consumers want one to choose. Not only that, but retail will prevent it aswell. Already we are seeing major retail stores drop HDDVD from their shelves. Retail stores want to sell what "sells."
You can come up with a million counter examples to this but I again must stress that this is not iPod vs. Zune, Mac vs. PC, or Coke vs. Pepsi. When it comes to formats like this, their can be only one victor. All evidence is saying that Bluray is the victor in this battle.
Their can be no "sharing," either one fails, or they both do.
Mark my words, the moment HDDVD declares defeat (Which will be right around the time Walmart and Best Buy stop selling it, which I predict will happen around September) Blu Ray sales will skyrocket.
That's fine if you don't like my console comparison, but my main point was that if it's profitable to sell HD DVD movies, companies will do it. I don't think ratios matter. Companies are in business to make money and I don't think they'll stop making HD DVD's until it's no longer profitable.
Notice I didn't say anywhere in my post that HD DVD will win, or even that it will stick around. All I said was that right now it's profitable for companies to support it. You seemed to jump on one line of my post when it was just a small example of what I was trying to say.
I also have to say that I disagree with you. I think there can be two formats, especially with dual format players coming out. As those get cheaper, why can't movie companies just publish on whichever format they prefer?
People are buying HD DVD stand alones even with out Sony movies. The majority of MOVIE enthusiast knows the history of format wars and they are voting with their cash money. If you do not wake up you will get left behind and every one will remember how you went out of your way to be wrong.
Sony can only push Blu Ray at this level through their games console. That is where their brand loyalty is the strongest.
The way Sony pushes it's format is of no consequence. The point is that it is WORKING. Sales numbers show it.
You act as if all "Movie" enthusiasts are going HDDVD. I tell you right now the only reason on bought a PS3 was because it is a cheap Bluray player. As with many of the people who bought them.
So your right, the majority of movie entusiasts ARE voting with their cash money. They are clearly voting BluRay.
So unless HDDVD can MORE than quadruple (yeah, bad spelling) their sales numbers in a month. It is clear who has won.
Look at the sales ranks. Both HD DVD and Blu Ray options are the cheapest and most popular available. Currently HD DVD is in the top 100 ranks. Blu Ray is barley in the top 1000. The only thing that is giving Blu Ray it’s sales is the PS3. The movie studios can not rely on gamers to buy the new movie format. The Stand alones will determine the winner.
Title of the article should be: Kudos for Toshiba HD-DVD player, disenchanted PS3 owners bash accolade.
Blu-ray titles are outselling HD-DVD titles by a 4.5:1 margin! Honestly, sales of both formats are so meager that it doesn't take much to skew the figures enough to cloud what's really going on. I realize there isn't a whole lot in the line of objectivity on this site, but IMO sales of stand-alone HD players should yield a more accurate indication of which format consumers are choosing.
Now, play nice or I might resort to pointing out the unrecoverable nosedive that sales of one of the next-gen console is in.
Agreed..plus this is about a player, fanboys turned this into ps3 vs xbox as usual.
I was in Comp Usa yesterday. They have 3 blueray players and no HDDVD to be found. I don't believe it really ever existed.
I have a Toshiba TV (old one in bedroom), a Toshiba DVD player (1 of 3), a Toshiba laptop (my wife's, I have a Dell), and I've never been disappointed.
I think this article says more for Toshiba than it does HD DVD. Toshiba wins the award, not a format.
Very true. Toshiba dose make good stuff.
The studios were sure the PS3 would Dominate gaming so they bought into Sonys PS2's legecy thinking the PS3 would follow suit. If there is money to be had due to Hardware in peoples homes Hollywood will go with whatevery base has the hardware advantage. Thats why smart people know which every side can get the most HD units in homes first will win thus the price drop wars.
problem is with this is people will buy ps3 and blu ray movies but when that begins to slow it will be up to the players in the store to move movies, blu ray may look to win but we will see
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