Mark Wilson: "Wii MotionPlus will make the Wii better. Sony's very impressive motion control demo will be better than Wii MotionPlus. But Microsoft stole E3 and may have already won the motion control wars with the announcement of Project Natal."
Project Natal is a beast...MS take your time to do it right.
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It's actually "well bam!" not wha bam. Are you a mexican?
I know he says "well Bam" but if you listen to the remix of him saying it. It sounds like "Wha BAM"
Why do you play multiplats on your 360 if you hate it so much?
But for your information I only have friends that own a 360 and also I always look to see which multiplat version is better before I buy it. I have bought all my games this year on ps3 Because every thing I bought has been better on ps3 this year especially the exclusives!.
The fact that you troll 360 threads bashing the 360 sorta gave me a hint... I have yet to play a PS3 game this year (save FF7,Resident Evil)
Why can't I be neutral to both sony and microsoft??? So because I look at all the news on this site you think I am bashing? Dude I own all systems so I can be sarcastic about any of them and I can stick up for any which one I please. Something you could probably never do.
Looks like MGOelite is really hurt by Project Natal, BTW Milo is an interactive game... is a game after all
Project Natal seems kind of cool as a tech demo but seems almost completely useless to me in the video game world. If the day comes when I have to wave my arms around, stick my legs out, and jump all over my living room to play my favorite franchises, I am done gaming. But my real question is this. Who is this appealing to in the 360 userbase? The vast majority of 360 users are "hardcore" (for lack of a better word) gamers who probably won't be willing to drop the money for something like this. People who would buy their kids presents already have an image for the 360 in their mind and this probably won't change even with Natal. My point is, if people are really interested in this type of gaming (which I'm not but judging by the Wii it is apparent many are), then they probably already own a Wii and won't be willing to spend the money for another console just for something like Natal. I just don't see how it could possibly be successful with the userbase the 360 has created and the saturation of the casual market by the Wii.
http://www.n4g.com/events_e... If motion-controlled gaming is what the future holds for me, then I won't be gaming in the future.
im sorry but the thing i found the stupid based of the tittle alone was "maybe the motion control wars" seriously? are they serious? i hope they don't mean in sales or anything like that? haven't read it yet im just not sure if i should even bother is it a normal article or is it just like all the others that have already been posted?
"It's easy to impress stupid people." In this case it's more a case of easily impressing desperate people. If you would have gone back three years ago and posted that all Microsoft had to hype from their E3 2009 show was EyeToy style motion controls you would have been laughed at as a stupid troll. What else is there to hype from Microsoft's E3? Crackdown 2? The fake Metal Gear game that Kojima has disowned and has nothing to do with is too embarrassing to even talk about anymore.
Whatever. I can't wait until it's finished and it turns out to be not as big a deal as these 5000 articles in the last 2 days are making it out to be. By the time they ever get it out Sony and Nintendo will already be on to something else.
The casuals offcourse. However MS is greatly mistaken if they think this will enable them to compete with the wii for the casual market because. 1. This natal tech will not come standard with the x360. 2. Its going to be expensive. 3. Its 2 years late. For all the hoopla about Natal. It will end up just like the PS EYE last gen.
Seriously, there is a reason why nintendo passed this up, M$ taking sloppy seconds once again.
You're probably still impressed with Lava Lamps or Nintendo Wii. At least the wiimote can be used for more traditional games (Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy, Metriod Prime), I have no idea how Natal could be practically used for traditional games.
all the Sony Fanboys wine. Keep it up, It makes me smile :)
"Natal Would Be Too Good To Be True...In Nintendo or Sony's Hands Other companies could (and have) made infrared body-tracking cameras. Why are we so confident in Natal? Aside from our positive hands-on experience, Natal has Microsoft middleware/dev tools behind it. Where few third parties have wielded the Wiimote with as much finesse as Nintendo, and Sony is traditionally mute on how companies can unlock the power of their complicated hardware architecture, Microsoft launches Xbox products with the software necessary to make them work. Oh, and Microsoft is approaching Natal with 100% earnestness, calling the platform "the endgame." Sony's motion control, according to Sony, is less important." -Gizmodo http://gizmodo.com/5280496/... Yep, yet another "positive hands-on experience". Those evil micro-bastards have paid off yet another site. I think he's right because sony had some pontential with PSEye but never explored it further, Nintendo just wants to bring light-hearted casual games for the masses,(nothing wrong with that) micro is looking for that game changer to differentiate itself for more reasons than just their online service. Maybe this isn't it but it will be interesting to watch. Poster #1 PistolPumptMonk 4 days 5 hours ago "Overall I thought this conference was pretty terrible from my standpoint, that of a gamer who enjoys amazing games. I'm not interested in using my body as a controller, I actually really enjoy games with controllers. Also the thing with Milo seems cool from a tech standpoint but seems to defeat the purpose of real life." -And yet again he's here in another NEWS THREAD ABOUT NATAL, my question to you and all the sony loyalist above is why do you keep coming back when you yourself have said "I'm not interested" ??? lol, hey maybe you could post 10 more articles about Kojima's teaser site and have a long discussions about what it means. lmfao JOY
NATAL MAKES 360 OWNERS HAPPY!
"Who is this appealing to in the 360 userbase? Ok...yes we know natal is on 360, but don't think for one second that it only appeals to 360 gamers. This device is for anyone (or gamers)who wants to jump in and try out the newest most revolutionary tech for gaming ever. Just ask your self what your response would of been if Sony were the ones to announced Natal. For the life of me I can't understand why some of you just can't get past the fanboy crap. "My point is, if people are really interested in this type of gaming (which I'm not but judging by the Wii it is apparent many are), then they probably already own a Wii and won't be willing to spend the money for another console just for something like Natal." The Wii and Natal are two totally different ways of playing games. If you think the wiimote is on the same level as Natal then you fail big time and just don't get it. Quit with the downplay seriously and give props were it's due. edit below really duh: There just going to ignore those vids lol. funny how they work
Natal is #1 rated on XBL its the most popular E3 video. All these anti Microsoft articles coming out of the woodwork suggest folks are all hot and bothered by Microsoft's E3 not just because Natal but because the 360 had shown games not to mention ones that prove the 360 isn't close to being maxed out. http://www.gamersyde.com/st... http://www.gamersyde.com/st... http://www.gamersyde.com/st...
Natal was the best of the show. If these fanbabies think they are going to change most people's opinion by crying and making up ridiculous and transparently desperate excuses of why Microsoft didn't have the best E3 they have another thing coming. I don't normally talk like that towards people, but PS3 fanboys should be ashamed of themselves. Most people read the ridiculous stuff they write and just shake their heads. Mass Effect 2 is looking so good. The graphics are improved from the first one and the combat is a lot smoother and there are a lot of new gameplay features and weapons. Mass Effect 2 and Alan Wake also show that the 360 has plenty under the hood and personally look better than all games on the PS3 except for Uncharted 2 which looks just as good.
MS didn't show how Natal could be applied to the hardcore audience. Sony showed them using the new controller in first person, controlling an RTS, and literally fighting on screen. Like the guy demonstrating said, sometimes you need a controller to do certain things that gamers want to do. He picked things up in the environment and was in complete control of them. Natal didn't demonstrate this type of interaction. Kicking balls and talking to a kids was pretty cool, but I can't see how that could be applied to the kinds of games I want to play. Sony's new controller was showed in ways it could be applied to the games I enjoy playing.
Actually I just like being involved in current gaming news, even if I think it is something that isn't going to be that great. I never said Natal wasn't interesting, its interesting how much people act like it is the best thing since sliced bread. The reason I am in this threads is because commenting early allows more people to see my comments. This means that more people will respond to what I think, allowing me to continue the discussion before the thread dies in a few hours. I thought you had been on N4G long enough to understand something simple like that. I had a long week at work and I'm too tired to play more games so I would rather see whats going on on N4G. People like talking about hot topics, even if it is just to say they don't like them. Is that really so hard to understand my friend? EDIT: @beans I don't care if you believe me or not but if Sony had announced Natal I would be just as skeptical. They didn't show how it could be applied to hardcore games that I enjoy in any way. It has nothing to do with who announced it.
As I said elsewhere, I am not saying it is fake. I am saying it looks fake. Want a demo similar to project Natal? Watch some cheerleaders on TV. As they wave their hands around try and mimic their movements. No matter how good you are you will lag. That is what Natal looks like. People can deny that if they want but they are kidding themselves. Watch here hands move in directions the image doesn't and vice versa. Zero precision. The fish? Look at Sony's demo from last year. The game recognized a fish, made it into a tank and you could drive it around. Hardly proof from MS. For all we know all it took was for a white reflective surface to be pushed in front of the lens and it generates a fish. She likely could have drawn a square on there and it would come up fish. No real time demo equals highly suspect. Especially considering the sloppy nature of the demo's ability to mimic her movements.
It's a new take on the eyetoy. How the hell does that mean MS had the best show? I had high hopes for the show this year and all I got was twitter, facebook, and camera that was made to grab a demographic that has long since passed the 360 up. I'm not saying sony's new motion deal is any better in fact I think both are stupid. I watched the show hoping for games and for the most part only sony delivered.
If a company (ANY COMPANY) won E3 with motion controls alone, then it's a very sad day for gamers. I will never EVER play a racing game with an imaginary steering wheel instead of a real one, waving my arms around in thin air looking like an idiot.
Ok that's the reply I've been looking for, and trust me I believe you. I'm a very skeptical myself and need proof that Natal can actually work well with hardcore games and not just casual. What get's me excited are the possibilities and not the platforms or whatever else. This to me is just a step in the right direction for the possible Virtual reality days ahead. I guess until they show us what it can actually do where all going to be skeptics which is perfectly fine. Some of the hate on this site is just ridiculous though, but at the same time ok because really everybody just wants to see proof. The one thing that's promising is the fact it's getting a lot of good press from those that have actually seen it. Edit joy: Thanks to natal I can beat you to it lol. Edit above information minister: I'm sure the games they make for hardcore's won't consist of make you look like a total dumbA$$ lol. So if Natal lives up to the hype will you have a change of heart?
Point taken. However if you're going to be strictly negative on the subject why bother?, don't you think thats sounds sort of like a negative way to be involved in what should otherewise be a positive discussion, bring legit questions/concerns and less negativity and the whole discussion will be better off for it. JOY edit: Beans, are you trying to read my mind?
@War_Machine They also had a whole bunch of cool games. Not to mention several big surprises. The ps3 show from Sony was pretty good too but hardly anything surprised me and the stuff that did surprise me doesn't really interest me (for example Final Fantasy MMO). GoW3 is cool but I already had seen stuff from that game. The only thing is we got to see more this time, which don't get me wrong is pretty nice but still didn't have the umpf that some of Microsoft's games had. I know a lot of this is going to come down to opinion, but there is no doubt that the majority thought Microsoft had a better E3 conference, as proven by polls and the impressions published by all the gaming sites. You can have a different opinion but it is in really bad taste to constantly talk trash and try to downplay everything and insult the majority who thought Microsoft's was better. That is all.
Alright guys I see your point and I'm glad we can discuss this without acting like two year olds. However, the concerns I have with Natal are by nature somewhat negative and I apologize if they come off that way but that is just how I feel about the whole thing. You have to understand that I am starting to feel outdated as a gamer. I am interested in great games, great stories, deep gameplay. I am not quite so interested in tech such as that shown in Microsoft's conference because I fail to see how this tech can be applied to games I care about. This is partly their fault as well for not addressing these concerns in any way. I am also not that interested in the tech shown at Sony's conference, I just don't care much for any of that stuff. I was a HUGE nintendo fan before this generation. The Wii has been a complete letdown to me due to the gimicky controls taking center stage. Why would I be excited about more tech that is clearly not aimed at a target audience such as myself? I just want less limb waving and more great games. I'm used to seeing games progress in a way that I appreciate and anticipate. Motion control is the first time that this industry has taken a turn for what I feel to be the worse. Having said all of that, I will try not to show my PS3 bias in a completely negative way from now on and I will attempt to add to the conversation with constructive criticism instead of just criticism. Maybe we can set an example for all the extremist fanboys out there.
I wish n4g community was more like this, but admittedly I'm not even close to being innocent when it comes to adding fuel to the fire. I have my reasons/excuses but I'll save them for another day/thread. lol JOY
Ever since E3 there have been lots of jealousy from the Sony side, Nintendo fans just say "cool" and its over. Natal is getting alot of buzz and press, its on CNN, Late Night talk shows, all over the net, and just about every news outlet has somthing positive to say about it. The buzz arount Natal has taken center stage on the world arena and so has the hate from the Sony camp. So keep up that hate Sony fans because you are helping create more hype and news for Natal. Its allmost like you guys are helping MS and Natal, keep up the good work :)
Yeah, in terms of buzz it definitely was the biggest thing at E3. Just take a look at this 'buzz study' http://infegy.com/buzzstudy... No doubt though for me the best part of Microsofts press conference were the games. They showed more games that I want than any other company (well and I don't own a Wii anyway) and they also showed more actual gameplay. I just think that Microsoft won on multiple levels. In terms of buzz, in terms of games, in terms of exciting new features to expand the 360's capabilities, in terms of surprise announcements, in terms of star guest appearances and in just overall presentation I thought Microsoft did the best. Sony had a really good show this year as well and E3 was really great in general. Even Nintendo had a better presentation than last year.
Here are some reasons why Project Natal is not a Landmark development: 1. Playstation did the same thing last generation with EyeToy; 2. Nintendo has already captured the majority of the casual market; 3. The current 360 user base couldn't care less about motion controls or creepy child companion simulators (what are they going to do now? Ask Master Chief what outfit they should wear?); 4. The motion control is not as precise as the Playstation motion controller. Fact; 5. The Milo demonstration was completely scripted (and eerie as well); 6. When I play video games, I do not want to flail my arms round like a douche bag playing some 3D breakout game; 7. Steven Spielberg should not be relied upon to validate a product for industry that he has limited experience in; I am also getting sick and tired of hearing that Microsoft "won" E3 because Project Natal. Here is a thought: E3 is the ultimate litmus test. If you are a fan of Sony's platforms you are going to vehemently believe that Sony won E3. If you are a fan of XBOX 360 you are going to think that Microsoft won E3. In the end, gamers lose because the fanboy era is perpetuated.
Head Tracking for Desktop VR Displays using the WiiRemote: http://www.youtube.com/watc... Now - try and imagine what Natal could do.
http://www.vimeo.com/495262... from neogaf
Lol @ all the jealous PS3 trolls. All you got was a motion penis that didn't function properly.
Sorry I posted two of the same Mass Effect 2 videos my copy and pasting sometimes doesn't register. http://www.eurogamer.pt/vid...
"try out the newest most revolutionary tech for gaming ever" lol just lol I could have sworn these same people called the PS Eye a gimmick, Sixaxis a Gimmick, The Nintendo Wii a gimmick. Now that MS releases... scratch that... they didn't release anything, they showed pre-rendered videos of this tech. all of a sudden it's the 'newest most revolutionary tech for gaming EvARRRRR' You guys are hopeless. I have friends that are 360 gamers, and they just love to play the games. They don't bash on PS3 or Sony or anything else for that matter, because why? They're true gamers. They bought a 360 to game. But you guys? You don't actually play games. You're just part of MS's free propaganda to stupify the consumers even further. The Ironic part, is that the only stupid people are the 360 fanboys.
if the Sony dildo comes in other colors, she is not a purple fan.
LOL yall ps3 only owners look upset.
Yeah we do. http://www.n4g.com/events_e...
We're upset that we only have 349/350 shards in Infamous. That last one can be tricky.
@3.2: You're doing better than me. I have like 5 more to find and damn it's as frustrating as the Orbs in Crackdown. haha, I'm almost tempted to go look at a guide. Funny post and good timing.
dang 349/350 im not even no where close to that
Well just so you guys know, there is one shard in the NE corner of the Neon district right of the shore of a dock and it is impossible to see with the radar from the shoreline. That was my last one, just make sure you grab that one and the rest shouldn't be too bad. Sorry for the supreme off-topicness. ;)
Yes they are they're trying their best to knock it more than anything I can remember in the history of this generation.
Of course, being an extremist 360 fanboy such as yourself, you would naturally ignore all the sh1t your monkey-ass 360 compatriots flung towards the PS3 in the first few years of its lifespan. The crap Natal is receiving pales in comparison.
+bubbles for the best and most truthful post I've seen in years.
Thats a bold claim coming from a known PS3 fanboy in "this 360 article" trolling. @PistolPumptMonk You're giving him a bubble because a 360 fan is pointing out these E3 360 articles are filled with PS3 fanboy trolls? Your fanboy #1 comment is so ignorant only a PS3 fanboy could agree with it. Obviously Microsoft was trying to sell the tech "AT E3" to the massive casual market and not just the current Hardcore gamers in the base. Who are you trying to convince that this is a bad idea wasting all your bubbles doing so? This site a PS3 fanboys site.
Sonys can do more....but ms is more advance thinking
but he actually cautions about it's success and says, like most have been saying, Nintendo and Sony are in a better position to cash in. Which, I think is correct if done right but MS while a little more advance have their work cut out for them or should I say, Devs.
E3 2009 will be remembered throughout history as the great turning point in gaming and the unstoppable rise of the Xbox 360 as the ultimate home entertainment device of all time. With so many acclaimed AAA titles coming out these holidays and 2010 exclusive to Xbox 360, with all the hottest multiplatform titles looking and playing best on Xbox 360 and with Xbox 360's domination to continue into the future with Project Natal, it is safe to say that the PS3 is as good as dead. The PS3 has been made to look painstakingly outdated and last gen by the Xbox 360. Through the magic of software Xbox 360 has accomplished far more than the PS3 could ever hope to accomplish, and the Xbox 360 has grown in so many ways that it truly is the ultimate home entertainment ecosystem this generation. Xbox 360 and Xbox LIVE have been the driving force of innovation and content this decade, with Project Natal this looks set to continue with a device that will change our world forever.
wanna know what surprised me the most from everything you said the fact that i actually read it .___.
... all that crap... project natal is useless for gaming, it will never overtake a controllere
No one said it will overtake the controller 110%. You think the MLG guys are gonna be playing Halo Reach on Natal in 2 years? Get real. But it seems Microsft is making some really cool material...Lionhead, Epic, Steven Speilberg is making Natal games, Bungie...all making Natal games. It's a different way to game. You won't be playing Gears of War on it...maybe you can, but it won't be the only way.
You think the MLG guys are gonna be playing Halo Reach on Natal in 2 years? Get real. not me the bots do ffs. all this crap like its gonna replace the controller and is the and its the single most important inovation this gaming generation
No one has even mention playing the big 360 shooters on Natal. Natal just might be the next wave of some new form of gaming....it looks better for interaction than anything else....not precision. It will have new games like Milo and everything else Microsoft is secretly brewing right now.
milo isnt a game lol what the hell are you surposed to do? all games HAVE TO have a total end and some sort of means to be good at the game weather its a high score, reach the end, finish all quests ect. what the hell are you surposed to do with milo? talk talk talk talk go to a new location ect. if you disagree please tell me why
Durrr lets act stupid because we're scared about Micro kicking Sony's arse 24/7. Obviously we don't know what the real Milo game will be like, or all the other games developers are working on, we'll have to wait and see! durrrrrrrrrr Going to be better and more successful than Sony's Dildo remote everyone is laughing at. We know that much.
wtf is your problem you dirty little fanboy i lol at all you scum thinking you will be tripping over all the great games for natal lol besides party games what else is their
Natal can be used in so many ways and you'll be surprised what the devs come up with. It's just exciting tech that shows so many possibilities. How can any true gamer not be excited for it. It doesn't mean it is going to completely redo everything about games. No, it just means that games will have a lot more possibilities to work with. Halo Reach might not use any of the motion controlling or body scanning aspects for most gameplay mechanics but I can see it utilizing some gesturing and voice recognition. We'll see. Obviously it won't be ideal for everything, but you have to be blind not to see the huge value of this new tech.
meh. Didn't interest my little sister...
Perhaps she's more interested in Sonys penis controller?
So true LMFAO
is it just me but i started to notice that articles like these get approved in like seconds to minutes while the other ones take forever at times? wow
I guess whoever is approving these want us to bow down and say that Microsoft are gods and we are inferior beings. Natal has potential but Microsoft didn't invent light. Seriously. -.-