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EA: 360 maxed out, PlayStation3 isn't

OXM UK reports that EA feels the Xbox 360 has "maxed out" while PlayStation3 has not.

The comments came from EA Games Europe's Senior VP Patrick Soderlund, talking to OXM during E3. However, despite feeling that PlayStation3 hasn't been maxed out yet, Soderlund also suggests that Microsoft has the current advantage over Sony.

"I think Microsoft is on a roll right now," Soderlund says. "They're doing really well. If I was Sony, I would have a headache, to be honest." (Industry, PS3, Xbox 360)

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Gue1  +   2031d ago
OMG this gonna be massive! FIRST FOR THE WIN!

But remember, graphics aren't everything!
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BadboyCivic  +   2031d ago
EA still cant make a decent Madden
but they want to make statements like this.
Ninver   2031d ago | Spam
green  +   2031d ago
" I think that we've maxed out the 360 but we haven't maxed out the PS3." Did i miss something?

EA when did you release a game on the 360 that looks as good as Lost Planet 2,Forza 3,Alan Wake,Gears 2,Splinter cell: Conviction,Resident Evil 5,Banjo: Nuts & Bolts or even a 2 years old gaming like Call of Duty 4?
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Why dis  +   2031d ago
" Patrick Soderlund, Senior VP of EA Games Europe"

*moves on*

*Europe you say*
PtRoLLFacE  +   2031d ago
how come all the EA ps3 games look like sh!t compared to uncharted or god of war 3, they shouldn't b talking if they don't even what the term quality means
Ninver   2030d ago | Spam
BYE  +   2030d ago
@pukeface:

I have to disagree with you on that one. Dead Space looked awesome, Mirror's Edge looked fresh and unique.
ThatCanadianGuy   2030d ago | Spam
lloyd_wonder  +   2030d ago
Fight Night looks better than any 360 exclusive.
Why o why  +   2030d ago
green
i hear what you're saying but Fightnight, burnout p and dead space restored my faith a little in the technical abilities of parts of EA. Its up to the devs to prove them wrong...again. Its simple.

@ why dis........'Europe you say' ever been outside your state....damn

@Montrealien

again its down to the devs to prove them wrong
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Montrealien  +   2030d ago
Dirtybeaver said...

"Right out of the mouth of one of the most influential companies in gaming."

Just an FYI, this came out of that same mouth.

"so I'm truly impressed by Xbox. It's my personal favourite console... I think Microsoft is on a roll right now. They're doing really well. If I was Sony, I would have a headache, to be honest."

/on topic

Although I agree that the PS3 is more powerful then the Xbox and should have it little more room to improve, I don't care, they are both great consoles with great game. We are on 4th generation games on both consoles now, and we are officaly in "current gen" not "next gen" anymore. So even though the PS3 may have a little more breathing room, it aint that much an they are both reaching their limits.
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sunnygrg  +   2030d ago
And here I was thinking that Dead Space and Mirror's Edge both played AND looked great. If EA can truly harness the power of the PS3, I wonder how Dead Space 2 and Mirror's Edge sequel (possibly) will turn out. Not to mention Battlefield:BC.
Montrealien  +   2030d ago
lol "truly harness", yeah, the PS3 is a stallion.

If it worked that way and this imaginary power were to get squeezed out of the PS3 like a lot of you think, we would have games like Infamous in full 1080p and zero draw-in. Killzone 2 would be at a solid 60fps and running in native 1080p. And MGs4 would never have any frame dips, and be playing at a locked 60fps.

I love my PS3, but there is no magic power to be found in it, its a games console with comparable power to the 360, even though it has a hardware egde over it, kinda like how the Xbox one had over the PS2, and look at the amazing games some people did with the PS2. We have been seeing the limits of both of our big "current gen" consoles. I don't expect a dev to find some magic processor in there an magically make PS3 games look like they are from the future. What's left on both consoles are tricks and smoke and mirrors to use their limited amounts of crayons and draw something amazing with them. thats what I like to see.
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marinelife9  +   2030d ago
Wow! I just don't know what to say. Good luck Xbox owners.
You can use some of the Wii owners arguments.

Graphics aren't everything

Gameplay is all that matters

Wait till the next Zeld.... (Sorry can't sure that)
LONEWOLF231  +   2030d ago
Anyone else getting tired of the WHOLE maxed out comments???? First Xbox then WII, whats next???
Montrealien  +   2030d ago
@marinelife9

You know what's Ironic, that gameplay > graphics argument stood strong with the PS2. I agreed with it then, and I still agree with it now. Even though I still think they're are great games to be played on all current gen consoles.
aksmashh  +   2030d ago
Its Annoying
That PS3 users are held back by dated consoles. I wish they would just develope the games on ps3 first
Aquanox  +   2030d ago
EA?

They're yet to develop something nearly as impressive as Alan Wake or Forza 2.
JokesOnYou  +   2030d ago
typical n4g...I guess now EA's word is gospel, lol
EA has been called every name under the sun by most sony loyalist and aside from a few really good titles their quality is questionable as its obvious they duplicate the same games year after year with a lack of innovation and only marginal improvements, yet whenever you say something even slightly negative about micro/360 it is taken as the word of god on n4g, but the public isn't dumb we can see beyond the hype, games like Alan Wake says hi, SC: Conviction says hi, Lost Planet says hi, Forza 3 says hi, hell even RE5 surprised alot people graphically but really it shouldn't in every other gen games always just keep getting better.

The "maxed out claims" are waaay over-done PR statements by dev's/publishers in order to sell their next game as "OMG WE PUT EVERYTHING IN THIS GAME, SO GO BUY IT NOW BECAUSE WE PROMISE NOTHING WILL EVER BE BETTER THAN *OUR GAME!" Fortunately outside of n4g no one listens to that crap because we hear it a few times every year. lol, micro got a big boost that they needed this week, they have been silent for awhile, with E3 360 gamers are excited and sony has a great game in Uncharted2 but it looks very much the same as the first Uncharted which isn't bad cause it still looks great but don't see this suppose gap between that and whats coming on 360, I think its just all sony loyalists hype, lmfao I think they believe if you repeat it under your breath a 100x's it makes it true, hell I think many UNBIASED gamers see micro's upcoming 2009 lineup as the best in gaming.

JOY
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raztad  +   2030d ago
LOL

EA gospel? nope, though its quite interesting TWO big developers (IW, EA) are saying they hit the performance plateau in the 360. Dont forget, its not only the cpu and the graphic card, the dvd plays a role too. Ask Turn 10.
Aquanox  +   2030d ago
Oh by the way, almost every EA game looks better on Xbox 360 so I'm not sure what this guy is talking about =)
jcgamer  +   2030d ago
EA?! "Ever wanted to see the bottom of a money hungry 3rd party company? Well, BAM!" lol :)
I think it's time for Microsoft to show and prove...Forza 3 is a great start, and Alan Wake is looking ACE. But remember how awesome Mario 3 looked and played on the NES late in its life cycle? and we ALL know SOTC and the original God of War DUMPED on the naysayers late in the PS2's life cycle...lol...well, now it's time for MS to INTERNALLY create an impressive ENGINE (bye bye UE3) and develop a first party game from the ground up that squeezes every bit of creative juice from the 360...BAM!

lol :)
snipermk0  +   2030d ago
To all the guys saying EA games are sh!t..
How about Crysis? Thats an EA game and it single-handedly rapes anything from the consoles. Lets just accept it.. EA know their stuff and its no doubt the 360 is inferior hardware.
marinelife9  +   2030d ago
Graphics aren't everything they're the only thing!
LOL j/k

Lighten up 360 fans you can have a good game without
"PS3 level graphics" (I think I just coined a new phrase). Look at Tetris.
mint royale  +   2030d ago
Oh noes!
Its maxed out! Everyone sell your x-box's they are redundant now, xbox is teh doooooomed.

And for the record anyone so called gamer in this thread mocking people who prefer gameplay over graphics are quite frankly not gamers but cheap fanboys. Good day!
vhero  +   2030d ago
gotta love the article the start to slag off the 360 by saying its maxed then say its better and ps3 better be worried they cant make there mind up lol. I love some of the comments on here though about they cant make great games... I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure all of you with next gen machines have at least 1 EA game so shut your mouth before you spout crap like that. Burnout Paradise was probably the best racing game of 2008 better than Forza 2 and GT5 Prologue (although not as good looking). People base too much crap on looks these days rather than gameplay *yawn*
Ju  +   2030d ago
Ah, ... 5th generation games ...

KZ2...first generation for Guerilla
Infamous...first generation for Sucker Punch
MGS4...first generation for Kojima

and then there would be

GoW3...first generation
MAG...first generation

4th generation, that would be R3, if it'll be out (and you don't count Quest for Booty as a separate game == R2 engine).

And that's about it. There is no 4th generation on the PS3.

And guess what, all these first generation games set standards. If they all keep pushing it like Naughty Dog from 1.0 to 2.0 you can just dream what will happen next.

And that is what that guys actually said:

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I do think that we'll see developers inside the organisation getting to understand the PS3 better and I think that we're getting more power out of PS3 right now... I think that we've maxed out the 360 but we haven't maxed out the PS3.
--

Dead Space 2 with PS3 specific content anyone ?
All-3  +   2030d ago
Hmmmm...
Former president of Sony’s worldwide studios, Phil Harrison stated:

"Nobody will ever use 100 percent of its (PS3) capability."

"... the system’s capabilities will keep changing as its firmware gets constantly updated via the Internet, and developers will continue to learn new ways to best use the machine’s multiple processors and Sixaxis controller.

Yet the CEO of Crytek said:

"The interesting thing is we did run a performance analysis on the PS3 devkit, and you know the funny thing is the occupation on all the CPUs, the Cell and the GPUs, is pretty much – the needle is at the limit."
Ju  +   2030d ago
occupation != efficiency.

Even Crytek will figure this out over time.
Jecht  +   2030d ago
Can someone explain something to me?
"Microsoft is on a roll right now" WHAT ROLL?!!

Have they attained any growth in console sales or attach ratio? No, they've remained stagnant.

Have they been truly innovative in the past year? No, they just release the same kind of stuff over and over.

Was their E3 the best? If you think that one motion control device makes their conference the best, I feel sad for you. I thought it was supposed to be about the games, and what did Microsoft really reveal at E3? I'll tell you what. That they have always, and will always, leech off anyone they can for their success instead of building it from the ground up themselves.

Their greatest achievements seems to be in how they are able to make games go multiplat, and that's about it. If you were to take the whole 360 experience from its inception, you will see that Microsoft's biggest focus was getting 3rd party games to come onto their console. Rather than innovate, rather than define themselves as a brand, they decide to take the previous identity of a more successful brand and add their own little twist on it. Nintendo and Sony are going their own ways, redefining themselves, while Microsoft is content with leeching off the previous successes of their competition.

So I ask again. WHAT ROLL?!!
Montrealien  +   2030d ago
I am sorry ju, but Insomiac has stated that the new ratchet and clank game is infact a 4th generation game for them.

If you are expecting leaps and bounds over what we are seeing exclusives PS3 games doing right now, I am sorry but you will be disappointed. I do expect Devs doing great things with the PS3, but we have pretty much seen what that great system can do.

@the excited one on top of me. Both MS and Sony have been on a ROLL lately, which means, us gamers are in a great position atm. Great games have been coming out on both of the consoles and only (enthusiasts) like yourself that crave for this stupid console war are the true people, they never have, and never will be, on a ROLL in the gaming industry.
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orange-skittle  +   2030d ago
If all games look like Resident Evil 5, then I am good. If that is what he means by maxed out then I am fine with that. EA hasn't maxed out anything in recent years so I have no clue what he's talking about. Capcom, BioWare, Remedy, and 2K push systems to the limit, but not EA. EA enjoys sequels and resting on their laurels. Honestly, Fight Night 4 is worse than FN3 as far as controls are concerned. I actually canceled my pre-order after playing the demo. I thought I would be blown away, but the boxers don't look real anymore. They look plastic and in slow down mode...the hit sound came in too late making it feel is if there was a delay. Total turn off.
Ju  +   2030d ago
@Monty, ah, yes, you're right. Crank in Time is 4th for Insomniac (R1, R&CF, R2 and now CiT). OK, I can admit that. (oh btw, they are the only ones to have released 4 games now since PS3 release - by end of the year. And there is still no 5th generation).

Leaps and bounds ahead ? You don't care to comment on the rest of my post, do you? I play the UC2 beta, do you ? Have you ever seen the KZ2 "interactive commercial" and dare to listen to the developer comments ? Right there they have already an improved KZ2 engine. How much more prove do YOU need ?
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Montrealien  +   2030d ago
I don`t care to respond to it, because I agree with it, now take down that stick! And I don`t need to have improvements, I am very happy with the result of our current gen systems. Heck, I am starting to be excited for what the next gen will bring us!

and yes, I do play the Uncharted 2 beta, its a great looking game.
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Jecht  +   2030d ago
@Montrealien
I could care less about this "console war". Microsoft have been trying to do anything new. They are content to stick with the same formula over and over again, and as a result gaming will not progress. They rely on their Halo's and Gears of War games instead of trying something new. They apparently "stole" E3 with a frickin' accessory for goodness sake. So I ask you, what roll have they been on when you compare the type of innovation that Sony and Nintendo push, trying to take gaming in new directions, while Microsoft seems content with purchasing aging franchises, churning out Halo after Halo, and having their greatest accomplishment this year being an accessory?
Ju  +   2030d ago
Well, OK, w/e. Doesn't change the fact that your statement tried to belittle the improvements while pointing out a "formal" error. If you are trying to pretend to be objective, make an objective statement, please.

Edit: I take that back. You added that.
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Freeze952  +   2030d ago
Ea suck
This is good! If devs make the PS3 games look better, the PC games will look Photorealistic compared to your console owners 512 MB(X360) and 256 mb(PS3) GPUs. Cell sucks compared to 2 Xeons quad cores 2.2 ghz xD
Montrealien  +   2030d ago
@Jecht
I`m not here to defend MS, they are doing fine on there own. With that said, so are sony and Nintendo.

If you didnt care about the console war like you say, you would not ask such a stupid question to someone who clearly does not care and is very happy with the gaming content and features he is getting from all major console makers.

I am surprised that someone as one sided as yourself has zero people tracking you, 6 people ignoring and you, and you have nine bubbles. N4G bubble system ftw!
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orange-skittle  +   2030d ago
Jecht

Microsoft isn't doing anything NEW? Did you see the E3? You mean SONY isn't doing anything new. A motion controller and some new games that are coming out in 2010 is a step in the right direction? How easily amused you are. Microsoft is turning their console into a multimedia device. If 360 had a browser, it would be the ultimate gaming machine. SONY didn't say crap about the future of PSN or anything ground breaking. MS is including 30 downloadable full games in August through XBL and implementing Facebook and Twitter. They are also going to start streaming 1080p movies. That's adding on to the integration of Netflix and the NXE interface that already outshines the out-dated XMB on the PS3. So instead of copying Nintendo with a motion controller(ie SONY), they went a step further and gave you Project Natal(controller-less motion). How is MS not thinking outside the box? If you wanna argue that they bought the technology to do Natal, please include that SONY bought the technology that brought you the walkman. That's right...Sony did not invent the walkman, they bought it. While we are on the subject, Philips developed the DVD, so does that make everyone else THIEVES? Grow the hell up people.
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xwabbit  +   2030d ago
Its true what the 360 fan boys are saying, we should we take world of just 2 of the biggest gaming companies(EA & Infinity Word). We should just believe what MS says and the people who MS wins over(by giving crap 2 them), those r the people we need to believe. Even guerrilla was wrong when they said they maxed out the 360 with red faction. I guess all those companies dk how to program for the 360 after 3 years :(, must be hard i mean, its almost the same language of programing on PC and developers haven't worked on the PC as much huh guys? Yeah, keep telling ur self's that kids lol, w/e makes u sleep at night
TheRealSpy02  +   2030d ago
assuming...
that this statement isn't taken out of context. i'd just like to throw this out there:

Paris Hilton has an IQ of 126.

And Warhol has an IQ of 87.
7ero H3LL  +   2030d ago
funny they say it's maxed out, yet EA/bioware shows an improved version of mass effect.
Sarcasm  +   2030d ago
"EA when did you release a game on the 360 that looks as good as"

Dead Space looked excellent on both PS3 and 360. And looks on par with those games mentioned.

As well as Battlefield BC. Though not the best performance but has complete destructible environments.
KRUSSIDULL  +   2030d ago
Lol who cares if there is any console maxed out aslong as graphics are still improving I dont care right!?
DaTruth  +   2030d ago
360 owners(not just fanboys) are butt-hurt. How many companies have to say this before you guys get it through your heads. We don't even need companies, as the games on PS3 seem to do the talking!

I don't care about console wars, but 360 fanboys have been really annoying this gen. And yes, I'm sure PS3 fanboys have been equally as annoying, but they aren't in the PS3 comments section talking $hit, which is the only ones I visit and they also aren't the ones with an inferior console trying to lie about, what is clear to all human eyes!
Montrealien  +   2030d ago
3 = the number of people who say they do not care about the console war, however are lying through their teeth because they always feel the need to tell people how their console of choice is better for whatever stupid reason they can find?? Can you guess who they are? The one above me is the first one, find the other 2! good luck!
DaTruth  +   2030d ago
@Montrealien
At least I don't throw a non-fanboy statement at the end of a fanboy statement to try and sound level-headed. The entire article, you have been throwing 360 defender statements and then throwing in a "Oh I'm not a fanboy cause I just said a little something about the PS3 at the end" statements. And I was gonna say something about it before, but I let it go. But being the 360 defender you are, you had to say a ridiculous statement against me.

You've even been following this thread for 9 hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes 9, count them, 9 hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!! Commenting 20 minutes after me; Have you been coming here every 20 minutes to defend the 360 against the next commenter!

My console of choice "IS" better and EA execs and all other video game companies seem to think so too! The entire article is about how my console of choice is better, how would I not comment on that!

I expect more from my fellow Canadians!

Please re-read as I have updated my comment and I know how you have been coming back here to defend the 360 every 10 minutes!

One more thing........... PWNED!!!!!!
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TheDude2dot0  +   2030d ago
EA has been incredibly awesome recently.

New IPs, Rock Band, and especially this gem about Activision:

EA's response to Activision's legal threats called them as ridiculous as "a husband abandoning his family and then suing after his wife meets a better looking guy."

Source: http://kotaku.com/5279036/a...
evrfighter  +   2030d ago
LOL wow. Never thought I'd see the day where something that EA said would be used as gospel. As a pc gamer I've NEVER seen anything put out by EA that's impressed me. We are talking about the platform where the sky is nearly the limit. Crysis for example can't run on consoles and was a beast to play at launch. but play a pc could nonetheless.

And no Crysis was not made by EA. Developed by Crytek published by EA. I loved Bf2 but that was made by the original DICE team who made 1942. The only difference was that they had to abide to EA's rules after being bought out by EA. BF2 was released plagued by bugs, glitches, faulty hitboxes, imbalance issues,crashes, and patches to fix patches. Certainly not made of the same quality that made bf1942 so successful.

Sure they make their money, but when you get down to the bottom of it. You can say they're the true kings of the Dairy Industry. They have never contributed to the advancement of the gaming industry. Instead they have seriously stalled the progression of what sports games should have been. Should be already actually.

It's quite amusing to see that fanboys only embrace EA with open arms only when they say something to support one console camps argument. But tomorrow when this article gets old. EA is back to being the douchebags of the gaming industry.
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qface64  +   2031d ago
hmm
in the end it won't matter if the ps3 is maxed out or not since most all 3rd party games always end up looking the same since they are made for the 360 then the ps3

its always the exclusives that show off the sine
Serg  +   2030d ago
Yep, it's the simple logic of an animal herd, it moves as fast as it's slowest unit.
Game13a13y  +   2030d ago
and that is the proof that the 360 has maxed out, my friend. if games exlusive to PS 3 look better then those multiplats, then that means the 360 has hit its bottle neck.
Rifle-Man  +   2030d ago
@Serg
LOL!

Brilliant! You, sir, deserve a bubble.
waltercross  +   2030d ago
Bubble up from me to, That was good.
Erratic  +   2031d ago
I'm getting tired of all this flamebaiting, too many insecure people on this site. If you feel like your missing something out because it's on another then you should try to save up to buy it. I had a Ps3 and I bought a 360 for the jrpgs because I felt left out, though their quality made me regret it but that doesn't mean you should be afraid to take the jump!
AKNAA  +   2030d ago
what! insecure you say?!
whatever! my PS3 is still bigger than your 360! Ha!
DaTruth  +   2030d ago
I would buy a 360 but I don't like to buy back-a-gen!
(I said that just for laughs sorry if it hurt 360 fanboys)

@AKNAA: LOL!!!
waltercross  +   2030d ago
Real gamers end up owning all 3 consoles eventually.
Last gen I had all 3, I'll have all 3 this gen to.
jams_shop  +   2031d ago
I believe this is the third comment about the subject in the last two days.
kingboy  +   2031d ago
yup! i believe so
Bumpmapping  +   2031d ago
360 been maxed out since GEOW no big deal :)
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Montreafart  +   2030d ago
Yup. We have been saying it for 3 years. But the xbots and their lies. MS and their lies.
Anyone with half a brain can tell. The games are the living proof.

Gears 1 still looks best. Gears 2 is a leap from Gears 1 but not technically. Its more artistic style that got leaped up. Cleverly hiding the systems limitations.

If you look carefully, the game looks practically the same as gears 1. Except the art, environment etc are prettier because its no longer DULL GREY and BROWN.

Can fool the stupid bots but not the rest of the gamers.

No other game on the crap60 looks better than gears. Not even Alan "king of graphics" wake.

And now even EA is saying it. EA can because they dont have to fear MS like the other small time studios. EA is the largest NA publisher in games and cant be bullied around like Valve (10 bucks says MS pressured them to bring L4D2 when it was mere DLC. And now Valve is getting ALL THE HEAT from the fans hahaha).

360 is maxed out long ago. The games are the living proof.

If 360 tries a game like Killzone 2, it will blow up.
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Simon_Brezhnev  +   2030d ago
lol i state a fact and the xbots reported my facts as spam like ive been saying delusional = xbots
theKiller  +   2030d ago
this is not news!!!
every body knows that!! we've all been saying this since halo 3 was out!!!
derseb  +   2030d ago
I heard the older kids brag to the younger kids:

"In my youth the 360 wasn't maxed out yet!"

Even the guys in the kindergarden get it!
Lukatoll  +   2030d ago
Screw EA
that is all...
Omega4  +   2031d ago
And yet multiplatform games end up better on the 360 and 360 exclusives only keep improving in the graphics department. The difference between Forza 2 and 3 should be a clear indication of that.
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Why o why  +   2030d ago
maybe
you see forza 2 graphics as great to begin with but I disagree. What i can definitely agree on though is the improvement on part 3 from what ive seen. That 'better' was on some EA games, not all. Fight night night (old 1), burnout p are testament to that. The rest of them were pretty much equal. Anyway having a great car doesnt mean your driving will always be better than the car thats not so great...My point is its also down to the talent of the devs. I point to RE4 on the gamecube and gow 2 on the ps2....like Where the fcuk did those games come from.
Sitdown  +   2030d ago
@artgamer
Yeah...you definitely need to get your eyes checked. While GT is an accomplishment for the PSP, all the jaggies make the cars look "boxy" and look no where near the quality of cars in Forza 3.
AssassinHD  +   2030d ago
^^^
I would hope the quality of cars on a handheld game would be nowhere near the quality of cars in a current-gen console game. The fact that we are even comparing the 2 amuses me to no end.
waltercross  +   2030d ago
What I Find funny is how people will try very hard
to convince other people what they see is what
they'll see, I Love this web site it offers hours
of Entertainment almost dayly.

I Just wonder when this fanfare activity will stop?
Why o why  +   2031d ago
I say
Let the games do the talking.
OmarJA  +   2030d ago
Exactly...

& Sony is obviously winning in this department.
Bigbangbing  +   2030d ago
And I say
Let the Exclusive games do the talking.
Robearboy  +   2031d ago
interesting, the headline could have been called "Microsoft on a roll"........
Xbrainer  +   2030d ago
lol
It would have been on any site other than N4G.
RSX  +   2030d ago
Well
If you followed the link you'd know that this post has the same headline as the source.
DaTruth  +   2030d ago
We wouldn't have noticed this article if it was that headline as it would not be heating up like flame-bait does.

Also 360 owners would b mad because thy would think they were clicking on a pro-360 article and would end up butt-hurt.
-MD-  +   2031d ago
I think you all missed the part where he said 360 has an advantage over PS3.

Edit: Since when has EA made a good looking game? How can this guy even attempt to say 360 is maxed out? When a company like Epic or Lionhead says it's maxed out then I'll believe it.
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artgamer  +   2030d ago
I read that part, and 360 has had an advantage over PS3 since the day it came out a year too early.

The key issue though is that the 360 is maxed out. I've said this months ago. I worked on 2 360 titles as a 3D modeler and trust me, that thing is Maxed Out to the core.
-MD-  +   2030d ago
Even if it is maxed out people act like that's a bad thing... now developers can get over the graphics hurdle and start working on games that actually play well.

There's a reason why most of the PS2's, Gamecubes and Xboxs best games came out far into their life cycles.

Also don't even attempt to act like the PS3 is leaps and bounds above 360 graphically.
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lloyd_wonder  +   2030d ago
Haha. Epic said that it was maxed out with Gears 2. Not trying to hurt your argument, but similar things were said.
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artgamer  +   2030d ago
Not leaps and bounds as far as multiplatform titles are concerned, heck I know a couple of multiplats that look better on 360. But at the same time don't you try to say there is anything that looks better than Killzone 2 or Uncharted 2 on 360.

So if its not a bad thing that 360 is maxed out, its also not a bad thing that exclusve-wise PS3 title look the best, right ?
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LONEWOLF231  +   2030d ago
Well to be honest, not much has changed in the transition from Uncharted to Uncharted 2 the graphics are much in the same NOT that thats a bad thing its just that they are not beastly like many Sony fans are roaring about it. The PS3 is not Maxed out yet thanks to the Cell and thus is the only reason why that system can keep going.
aaronisbla  +   2030d ago
Actually
I beg to differ, i thought the improvements from UC1 to UC2 was pretty good, enough to avoid the infamous 1.5 tagline some like to throw on Gears 2, especially after playing the beta co op, and they still got some times to polish things up
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DaTruth  +   2030d ago
@Lone wolf
You clearly haven't seen the last Uncharted 2 video! Looking out across an entire city in real gameplay made it look almost a generation beyond multiplats! Even when there is action indoors they don't skimp, If you blow down a wall that giant city is still out there and I'm sure you run through the whole thing and the fire you saw from the top is still there when you run by it!

That is what differentiates Uncharted from the others! When I ran through the jungle in U1, I came out to a clearing and looked at the cliff I was on prior to running through the jungle. I saw a treasure gleaming in the distance I had missed when I was there, so I ran back, past all the bodies and weapons they dropped and grabbed my treasure.

The draw distances in Uncharted were immense and the whole level was still in the cache, add to that no loading times!
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Ju  +   2030d ago
UC1 vs. UC2. Well, just play the demo and pay some attention to the water pits all over the place. Full fluid dynamic with real time reflection. No, that was not in UC1. Or full hair animation. Just to name a few. (in addition to rock steady frame rate, etc).

These might be subtle improvements to the human eye - because we see those things everyday and ignore it as "normal" but for a video game this is "leaps and bounds ahead" from v1.0 to 2.0!

BTW: I almost shot my own shadow last night, because it just does so realistic shadow casting now.
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Mr_Controversy  +   2030d ago
360 maxed out? If it's maxed out because of the DVD Format then I truly feel sorry for Blu-Ray games because the gap is identical.
DaTruth  +   2030d ago
I truly feel sorry for you, as you are clearly blind and brain-dead!
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aaronisbla  +   2030d ago
you try way too hard to troll, you should come back after some troll training cuz right about now, no one takes you seriously, not even remotely
Ju  +   2030d ago
I like what you are saying. So the gap is identical? I can agree to that. The "gap" between 360 vs PS3 is the same as between DVD to BD. That's alright for me :) LOL.
kewlkat007  +   2030d ago
"I think Microsoft is on a roll right now," Soderlund says. "They're doing really well. If I was Sony, I would have a headache, to b...
What does that mean? If MS is on a roll then what is Nintendo?
-MD-  +   2030d ago
Nintendo is so far ahead of the competition people don't even consider them in the race anymore... it's pretty much between Sony and Microsoft this generation.
DaTruth  +   2030d ago
Yes, Nintendo has clearly secured the over 60 and under 10 demographic. The baby-boomers are again in full force!
waltercross  +   2030d ago
LOL That was actually funny.
Honestly the Wii reminds me of Barney and the cabbage patch
dolls for some reason.
table  +   2030d ago
boooorrrring... getting tired of these articles

EA should get their finger out and make some top class games before they say things like this.
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dcbronco  +   2030d ago
That is the key to hat EA is saying.
It's EA. EA's idea of innovation is to buy any company they can that has actual talent. Dead Space, Mass Effect and Crysis are made by developers outside of "EA" that were bought. I wouldn't trust an EA executive to know anything about a machines capabilities. They only know how to lose money and cheat employees.
HuGi  +   2030d ago
LOol
Crysis 2 will prove everything!

X360 >>> Ps3.
table  +   2030d ago
didn't they say that the engine runs better on the ps3?
lloyd_wonder  +   2030d ago
Let's try to talk in this time period and reality or let me borrow you time machine.

Let's not jump so hastily to wild conclusions about things you can't comprehend.
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LONEWOLF231  +   2030d ago
stewgart

Uhh no they did not you read the article wrong.
They said that the the game will be much of the same.
They also said that if a game is shader heavy the 360 will outperform the PS3 BUT the PS3 will outperform the 360 in physics i believe.............ohh and that the 360 has a better GPU whilst the PS3 has a better CPU.
Ju  +   2030d ago
^^ and that might be well true.

What they don't say is, that you can do vertex optimization on the CELL before you feed the data into the RSX. So, saying shaders are better on the 360 holds true if you consider the same amount of data you feed into either CPU. But often you can reduce invisible parts with culling to reduce the amount of polys the GPU needs to process (and those can possibly reduce shader requirements ??). I think that is the big chunk which is missing in CryEngine3. The PS3 specific pre-processing pipeline. If that would be in, this argument about the same would become meaningless (I mean, just look at GT5 and tell me why the amount of polys in that game is about 2-3x higher then in any top tear 360 game).
Mr_Controversy  +   2030d ago
PS3 has been maxed out since the cell was placed inside the PS3, no big deal.
RonDeMuerte  +   2030d ago
hahahaha!!! say whatever you want!! it doesn't change the fact that an EA senior VP said that the 360 is maxed out!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahaha!!!! and the PS3 isn't!!! hahahahaha!!!

hahahahaha!!! now all of you bots are attacking EA?.....please bots!! hahaha bring on all of your hypocritical and pathetic reasoning as to why EA suddenly sucks and doesn't fully utilize a console's power when making games!! hahahaha we all know that the only console they don't fully utilize to it's potential is the PS3 because they have to hold back in order for the 360 version to work!!! hahahahaha!!!

Hey Mart!! you down there....you rambling idiot!!....where do you you think he got his information!!!??.....analysts usually report everything to someone like a VP...like this one from EA!!!.......those analysts that you speak of...probably just say that in order to seem neutral...they don't wanna get burned by a bunch of raging X-bots...for example....all of the ones throwing a hissy fit here!!! hahahaha!!....
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3sq  +   2030d ago
360 has been maxed out since RROD, no big deal.
ULTIMATE_REVENGE  +   2030d ago
@Mr_controversy
The Cell is what makes up the PS3 you DUMBASS IDIOT!!

Do you see how dumb these X-BUTT'S are.
saimcheeda  +   2030d ago
@ULTIMATE_REVENGE
I alwasys knew that!Logic and brains is what xbots severely lack!!
commodore64  +   2030d ago
N4g has been maxed out with ps3 fanboys since 2006... no big deal.
tudors  +   2030d ago
Think about it...
EA PS3 ports are not up to 360 standard and often run at half the framrate, so maybe they will max out the PS3 when they bring it up to 360 standard ;)
Why o why  +   2030d ago
did you just step out of the delorean
i mean, you're talking some 07 sh!t. If you do like for like on the exclusives end you have to paint a different picture...like a modern one not a renaissance

Ratchet, banjoo

Forza, Gt

Killzone, Halo

Uncharted, Gears

From a technical standpoint its clear the ps3 has had the upper hand
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man0fsteel  +   2030d ago
@ 13
delusions of grandeur my friend ..
II Necroplasm II  +   2030d ago
And EA's best looking game is Dead Space lol

EA:
"I think that we've maxed out the 360 but we haven't maxed out the PS3"

Yet Crysis 2 is coming to the 360.
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Montreafart  +   2030d ago
Oh yes, because Crysis 2 is really going to push every limit. Listen kid, barely any information is out on Crysis 2 except for the fact that its co...
And crytech is not a big time studio like EA either.

And rofl Crysis isnt even a must have own game. And when it comes around to it, Crysis 2 PS3 will OWN crysis 2 360 which probably wont look better than Gears 1.

LOL
II Necroplasm II  +   2030d ago
Listen fart...
Big time studio as EA?

lol all of EA's money doesn't go into their game development.

Madden. lol PS2's Madden 04 was more impressive than Madden 09.

Tell me one EA game that uses more of an impressive engine over CryEngine 3?
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TheMART  +   2030d ago
Neo, its Nasim you're talking to. He makes shoarma every day and has no brains. His IQ has been rated on 58. Close to a completely dead brain but certainly just a moron.

Don't waist your time on him. Hey Nasim leave me one of your nice PM's, I like them!
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ZuperAmazingCooKie  +   2030d ago
No mart
Nasim is not capable of being sarcastic and is uncapable of very basic communication skills, you'd realize it if you have read his comments, but maybe you're denser than we thought.
caffman  +   2030d ago
Nasim is a coward first
,a twat second and a droid third
Joe2911  +   2030d ago
This is rock solid proof, that 360 is maxed out, its the second company to state this, this week (First IW, working on MW2 said that it would push the upper limits of the 360) now EA making this claim. Crysis 2?? Did they even show a trailer? Let alone gameplay.
-MoOkS-  +   2030d ago
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Yes, because EA really pushes the 360 to the limits with their oh so intense madden engine. *rolls eyes*

Let me know when EA has made a game that looks better than GoW2, ME, Bioshock, blue dragon etc.

CryEngine 3 completely proves them wrong....
artgamer  +   2030d ago
Fight night round 4 looks better than all those games you mentioned and thats an EA title. So as always mooks you fail in your ways.
-MoOkS-  +   2030d ago
Sigh
Yes, because rendering two character models in a ring with a few 2d crowds is really impressive. Are you seriously that stupid??????

I'd be impressed if they could mantain character models like that in an enviroment as large as GTAIV or Fable 2.

Please explain how 2 boxers a ring and crowd are considered more impressive than Mass effect 1 & 2, Gears of War 1 & 2, I won't even mention blue dragon......that would just make you look like even more of a tool
TheMART  +   2030d ago
Who do I believe... This one twad from EA

OR

Those hardware analysts that have said the PS3 and 360 can do about the same with small differences in some areas, were the Cell can have advantages at some physic calculations and the 360 GPU has other areas that will give better results.

Really, really difficult.
ZuperAmazingCooKie  +   2030d ago
Or, if you were smart
You'd do your own research and realize what EVERY DEVELOPER, not just EA, has been saying (that the PS3 has the highest theoretical power and that Xbox 360s advantage is its straightforward architecture)

You just keep failing, don't you. I mean, as I told you on another thread, if you're gonna try and be clever but can't be, why not remain silent?
robotnik  +   2030d ago
Therefore, Xbox 360 is doomed!
Thank you! Come again!
labwarrior  +   2030d ago
None of the two is maxed out, EA is a joke BTW
So, what they say, it is probably the opposite anyway
CypH  +   2030d ago
Dont downgrade my system
Because of what EA said
waltercross  +   2030d ago
I Dont think the 360 is maxed out either, nore is the PS3.
The Wii is however.
kerrak  +   2030d ago
When one developer says “we’ve maxed out this console” i always read “my company cannot find efficient ways to improve our code. We are not able to make our game look/play better”. It’s my decision then if what they achieved is noteworthy, correct or disappointing.
Multiplats are not the good place to make comparisons between platforms, as it’s in the company interest to make the game look equal or very similar.
For exclusives, i think 360 is able to deliver but then ps3 is uber-delivering.
Now the question is that this commentary comes not from a developer but from one of the biggest publishers in the world, with dozens of renowned franchises and first class studios in it’s belt, that has developed many great titles in both platforms, my first thought is different. In fact it’s not anymore devs inability or budget restricting what limits game technical prowess, but it’s the hardware itself. No excuses.
Of course we will continue to see better looking games on 360 as time passes, but late trend of “not that many things improving” will continue.
Right now i think no company can afford a new console cycle to begin in the next few years, and graphical differentiation, like it or not, is one of marketing pilars. Let’s face it: dvd format, no mandatory hd, and other boring technical aspects are now turning against the 360. This is why Natal has been marketed as the second coming of christ. But let’s face it, Microsoft is losing focus. They want to go for the casual market a bit too late, and their hardcore base have less good news each year.
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Why o why  +   2030d ago
we have a winner
+1
Halo3 MLG Pro  +   2030d ago
I know sony fans will use this for ammo but EA has never been known for pushing the limits. On the other hand we already have on record that the developers of Crysis 2 has maxed out the PS3 and the 360 looks exactly the same so that's all the proof you need. If you look at new games like Forza 3, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell you can clearly see that the 360's graphics has improved dramatically.
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lloyd_wonder  +   2030d ago
Did they really say that they maxed out the PS3? Regardless, I haven't seen the game. Have you? Fact is, games like Uncharted 2 and GOW III actually exist and are from actual PS3 developers, not some PC guys who are messing around with the Cell, thinking they tapped it.

Kojima said that MGS4 tapped the Cell, but Killzone 2 comes out and it's another benchmark.
Foxgod  +   2030d ago
Lets use a ps3fanboy statement for once:

If EA maxed out the 360, then how come none of the games from EA look as good as 360 exclusives do ?
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Why o why  +   2030d ago
exclusives.....????
;)
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CypH  +   2030d ago
exclusive???
.....Like?..
Nineball2112  +   2030d ago
Like... ummm..

Halo?
Foxgod  +   2030d ago
You mean games that arent on PC ?
Gears of war 2 is still better looking then any call of duty.
but theres also Forza 3, Fable 2.

And when going console exclusive, i would say theres loads more that look better then anything by EA
Alan wake, mass effect 2 and Splinter cell for example.
KilZoneGeneralStrife  +   2030d ago
Am I . . .reading right?
wow.I have a 360 and ps3.but just wow.theyve got some ballz saying that.
princejb134  +   2030d ago
it
it doesn't matter what you have
your not a developer, they are you play video games, they make video games that you enjoy playing
so please leave those comments to the pros
starvinbull  +   2030d ago
On another topic I believe that the M$ have shot themselves in the foot with Nathal. Although the tech is lightyears ahead of other motion sensing.
Practically it's not suited to games as they are now. If M$ talk up this tech too much then 360 owners will see the PS3 as a hardcore choice.
I can actually see games that would be improved with the PS3 motion tech like flower for instance or silent hill but Nathal is so complex that no game will run it and give the same quality of experience as current AAA games. As an example no gears of war games will be made with it save for maybe on rails shooters. Even games that run Nathal will pay a price because of the hardware limitations. It could be like the Vista of consoles where everything that runs off it pays a price in increased memory usage etc.
starvinbull  +   2030d ago
to add to my previous comment I'd just like to say that I wish all consoles would concentrate on traditional games at least until next gen. Until true virtual reality is out there I don't really care about all this gimmickery save for the odd bit of Singstar or guitar hero. That mecha game with the 150 button pad is more my taste.
Bobbie001  +   2030d ago
I never thought i could be a ps3 fanboy, and own a 360 at the same time.. Weird
badbond1  +   2030d ago
Look...
the 360 is not doomed, however as games continue to grow, the more discs (compression will decrease quality) 360 gamers will have to use. And that is so 1997 (FFVII three discs) to be using more than one disc. Too much of a bother if you ask me. In 2010, Sony will continue to takeover as far as games being developed on the PS3 and ported to the 360 - ex. FFXIII and MGSR!
-MoOkS-  +   2030d ago
.
It takes 5 seconds tops, to change a disc.

It takes upwards of 15mins in alot of ps3 games to have mandatory installs, because the bluray drive isn't capable of loading speeds like the 360's DVD drive is.

5 seconds > 15 minutes
Sez  +   2030d ago
@-MoOkS-
Shhhh. don't say that. it destroys their whole arguement. they need something to bash." oh mutli-disk is so 1997" translation " i'm to lazy to get my fat @ss up from the couch to change a disk".
KilZoneGeneralStrife  +   2030d ago
@ Starvinbull, you mean. . .STEEL BATALLION!
I Want a new one! ! That game rocked
starvinbull  +   2030d ago
More games like that please. The nerdier the better.
I love how on that game you can't reload.
You die, you DIE!!!
ultimolu  +   2030d ago
Well...that's interesting.
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