TechRadar: Precision is a noble goal, and one that will interest hardcore gamers much more than the Wii ever did, but on its own it's very unlikely to win over non-traditional gamers as Nintendo has.
Thats what these articles are: Im no fanboy but as far as im concerned Sony won E3 due to the quality of games on show, I really couldnt care about motion sensors, they are a fad. Games count and in that respect Sony won the day easily.
Im a lazy gamer man and a heavy pot smoker so the majority of the time when i game im pretty much in a state of unconsciousness and im not really the athletic type (i do a bit of boxin but thats it) Thats not say that ill never use anything like that but i doubt very very much that ill go out of my way 2buy summin like this
LoL all of a sudden motion controls with lag is teh OMGZ? man the media sux. Sony has had this technology for years with the ps3 eye. Not to mention they even had it working with precise precision. The media and their 360 butt buddies just want something to call their own lol. They are still butt hurt that a japanese company has ruled the gaming industry for two straight generations now. The desperation is as strong as ever and frankly until they start pumping out games that match the ps3, then i will never support such a weak underwhelming last gen turd of a console such as the 360. Just like many of the AAA ps3 developers, i take pride in perfection and so far Sony has been delivering them at an alarming rate. PLAY BEYOND *the last gen*
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They need to bring that Eyedentify game out of the closet..
Exactly, the media is full of BS right now. I love how everyone is ignoring the amount of games Sony announced, including that huge Rockstar project. Unbelievable. The things they mentioned puts the final nail in the coffin of that ol' saying 'Teh PS3 has no gamez!111'
I like how everyone has conveniently forgotten that it isn't going to appear until late 2010 at the earliest and will cost $200. I mean, you can buy a PSP for less than that. Are the same people eating this up the same ones that complain about the PS3 and PSP Go's prices?
Motion Tech is just a gimmick, how hard is it for people to realize that? Next year it will probably be 3-D graphics that all the companies are trying to pimp at E3. I always thought E3 was supposed to be about games. Its no wonder MS made their presentation more about features, because they have a void in their software lineup. They don't have a single GOTY contender. Sony has Agent, The Last Gaurdian, FF14, Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, and GT5. The closest thing MS has is Halo Reach, but if its anything like Halo 1, Halo 2, Halo 3, and Halo ODST, it will just be more of the same tired gameplay. Not to mention the PSP GO is a hell of a lot more revolutionary than motion tech. Motion tech is more about appealing to casual gamers. The PSP GO is a whole new way to experience handhelds. Its like a handheld that uses a cel phone service type network to allows users to access their game content. This is truly groundbreaking. If anything, MS should have announced a new 360 model that will utilize 2 disc trays so people can play Forza 3 w/o having to swap discs.
Ill give u a bubble :-)
Natal really is just a souped up PS Eye. They just added a second camera and a processor to it for depth recognition. And here's the problem with the Natal features being as such: it will be expensive. I just don't see it being too successful when its entry point is going to be pretty costly. And really, none of the games they showed looked fun at all. I've no interest in talking to a virtual little boy, that Ricochet didn't look fun at all, those skateboarding, racing, etc. minigames that they showed were equally lame, and the painting minigame was horrendous. It's a lot of money to pay for a collection of mediocre casual minigames with the added ability of controlling your 360's menus without a controller. I like the tangibility and precision of a controller, personally, and a clever device like Natal probably won't replace my desire to control things with a physical device anytime soon. I mean, did you see them waving their arms in slow, deliberate motions to peruse the Netflix selection? That looks like a pretty annoying way to have to search through the movies to me. And a very slow way of doing it, too. I can click right on the d-pad 100 times and see every single thing I skipped past in the same amount of time that it takes me to do that damned arm motion ten times. The finger is much faster than the wrist, and neither is as fast as the eye (so no matter how fast I click through with my finger my eye and brain will register what I've skipped over, and I'll know that I haven't gotten to what I'm looking for yet). So I'll continue to use my physical controller to do that kind of function, thank you very much. Also, every single television owner in the world has been using a controller for the past 20 or 30 years. TV remote controls, anyone? The common man IS fine with a controller. The physical device concept itself is NOT the barrier preventing some people from playing games, like they would have us believe.
This is the problem with MS and the American Media. Natal look spretty cool and will work for some mini games but it won't work for a full game. Plus all this hype for a glorified PSeye! I mean come on PS3 has had this tech since over a year ago and there are games on the several games on the PSN to prove it. Where was all the drooling then? The media is fvcking retarded!
Natal has too much lag time from when you move to when it registers on screen. I was really impressed with Sony's motion controller. It blows the competition out of the water. If you haven't seen it, go watch the live demo.
Thank you so much bro, i really forgot about that damn game. It used facial recognition and voice recognition also. So that puts the argument to rest. I'll give people one game end the dispute about implementation. ELDER SCROLLS IV OBLIVION. From the tech demos we've seen, the sphere at the end of the wand would determine which magic spell you were casting by it's color. The sword/shield and crossbow. All Bethesda would only need to release a patch or bundle it.
the people that prefer xbox360 over ps3 put sony in second place lol xD i mean its also the other way around as well
I loved the Idea when I first saw it, now after looking after it just might fail...
Because I been doing this for years on my PS2 with the EyeToy and on my PS3 with the PS-Eye and now fanboys want to make it a big deal now because it's on the 360.
Take a look at the Eye of Judgment, also take note that the one guy looks like the same guy who introduced the new motion device this E3.
You point beeing? They've even mentioned his involvement in the PSEye and Eyetoy during the press conference.
im pretty sure motion sensing was done first on the PC...not the peice of crap ps2 eye toy....HAVE YOU EVEN USED THE EYE TOY....ther camera and the games them self are like 2 dollars at gamestop...no one used them or liked them...they sucked balls pretty much... eye toy anti grave eye toy spy eye toy pet.........what am i a lonely 5 year old LOL eye toy FTF FOR THE FAIL EYE OF JUDGEMENT LOLOLOLOL that game lasted like 3 days before it when out of stock do to no one buying that garbage.
Natal seriously doesn't look that great. The painting thing was neat but the paint was flying everywhere in broad strokes. I really doubt it'll be precise if you wanna go into detail with your paintings. All the demos looked like something that could be done with the eye toy. I don't care for anything in the video, it was all actors in a controlled setting. Plus the skateboarding and racing looked dumb as hell. Microsft is trying sooo hard to get the family audience. It might end up back firing on them
I thought Splinter Cell did a good job of putting Sony in second place. Natal was just the icing on the cake.
U just put the icing on the cake 4 my assumption
Splinter Cell looked like that Bourne game they released a while back....and that sucked...
your name calling hurts me. Its a shame that your so upset due to buying the wrong console that you have to stoop to such low levels. Boo Hoo.
Theres plenty more of that where that came from - i just dont fancy gettin banned from the Gamerzone 2day TTFN
I really thought Splinter Cell was going to be better, they made such a big deal out of delaying it to improve it. I thought it was cheap how you can spot and mark people under doors and basically kill them automatically. It doesn't really seem like they changed much for the new splinter cell except upgrade some graphics.
That is a nobrainer. I have said it several times. 360 fans are impressed very easily with any mediocre looking game on their loved platform (even multiplats) while despite games in the like of KZ2 as MEH. SC and AW are just decent looking games by today standards, but for 360 boys/girls are teh AWESOMENESS. Beg to differ, UC2 alone kills them all, by far. BTW, UC2 multiplayer is delicious, amazingly fun. I got inFAMOUS cause I wanted the game but the multiplayer access is an amazing plus.
Really!? Now fanboyism aside, Splinter Cell: Convictions looks freaking sweet. I honestly don't think that's the game. When it comes to games, just watch the Kratos removes Helios's head clip. (chills) man that's just freaking awesome.
No, all the impressive games and live demos by MS put Sony in 2nd, Natal just put them in a distant second. Im still waiting for someone to actually say Sony won E3 cause it seems like only the fanboys think they won
The desperation is strong in this one. Not to mention these 360 fanboys are the same people who believed M$ and Turn10's false allegations of Forza3 having 1080p lol. Like i said before, the desperation is strong with the 360 fanboys. I don't blame you though. If i was still playing the sequel to a mediocre game that came out over 8 months ago, i'd be talking out my a$$ and clinging on to anything to call my own lol. You = EPIC FAIL!!!
Halos =/= 'impressive'.
Whoa, Dirty Beaver is sure desperate. Trolling all X360 news again? Don't you have PS3 games to play? It's the year of PS3 after all, with God of War 3, GT5, Heavy Rain and Trico! Oh wait...
Well you could look at it both ways. Either only people who prefer the PS3 presentation are the fanboys, or everybody who preferred one is a fanboy. I prefer the latter assumption, personally. I think it just continues the wave of 360 favoritism that the gaming media has displayed THIS ENTIRE GENERATION. They think the Microsoft conference was the best because they favor the 360, not because it actually was the best. Likewise, I think that anybody who thinks Sony's presentation was the best is a person who favored Sony BEFORE the conference. Personally, I thought Sony's conference was the best, and I'll be the first to admit that I've preferred the PS3 over the 360 and Wii for about the past year. But it's just a preference, I still appreciate the good games that come to all platforms, and I'm excited for a good number of Wii, DS, and 360 products coming out, but I just happen to think the PS3 has the most appealing features and software for my personal tastes. Not the ONLY appealing features or software, of course, the Wii and 360 have plenty of good stuff to offer as well. Omega, your preference is clearly the 360. That's fine, you have your reasons for that. Everyone has a preference, and any preference is a viable opinion, whether you prefer the 360, the PS3, or the Wii, they're all acceptable preferences, and each individual will have specific reasons for their preference. I think that whichever console you preferred going into those conferences is going to be the one you thought had the BEST conference. There's no factual reality as to who had the better conference, and I honestly believe that the only reason these media critics are saying Microsoft won are because they WANTED Microsoft to win, and it is indicative of their favoritism for the Xbox brand. Some of the gaming media offers favoritism or preference to Sony or Nintendo, but I think we should all realize by now that the overwhelming majority of the gaming media is biased towards the 360.
I'd say MS won people over with the way they handled their conference. They were extremely confident, they were well-prepared and they were creating a lot of positive buzz, obvious even to a non-gamer. First of all - no numbers, charts or other boring BS. A positive surprise. People interested in such things know it all already, no need to repeat. Second - celebrities. Just being on stage is enough to wow people. Paul McCartney might be hammered, but he's fvkin' Paul McCartney! Third - chest-beating. "We have all cool franchises, we have the best racer around! Roooaaar"! It's subjective, but people tend to believe this stuff. Fourth - the community. Twitter, Last.fm, Facebook, Netflix - most of this stuff you can have via PS3 browser. But is it integrated? Streamlined? Doing this the MS way connects the Xbox brand with other brands, people will remember the connection. Fifth - breakthroughs. Instant HD movies? Accurate full body and voice recognition? AI to chat with? Sounds incredibily awesome! Does it work just as they say? Probably not, but who cares? The ideas themselves create an incredible amount of buzz - people will be talking about Natal for months and all this time their attention will be focused on Xbox. That's how it works - MS made a bigger splash as far as media go. Some people might like Sony's offering better, but there's no denying that it was much less flashy, with Yamauchi going on and on with his speech, with a weird dude reading stuff from a notebook, with two nervous students doing last minute show-and-tell.
Well said Callahan. Have a bubble, you is a good poster/intelligent gamer. Just as I said in a previous thread - MS impressed 360 owners. Sony impressed PS3 owners. I don't think EITHER did much of anything to convince the opposition to join their cause. Both showed a bunch of multiplatform titles and no show exclusives (Reach, Agent). However, both showed that each system has great 2009/2010 lineups ready to go.
Well aren't the people writing the articles on other websites saying that M$ won just fanboys as well. I mean just because they say it don't mean it's true. Aaron Greenberg didn't even say he thinks M$ won. Usually he would be all over that. But he knows Sony came nice this year. Sony hand a better showing than M$ this year hands down.
Ofcourse it did! I'm surprised sONy didn't cancel their dildo demostration after seeing M$ Natal the day before.
But in reality, Natal is a POS vaporware designed for casual gimmicks. ROFL but but but Natal can scan that in. But but but Natal will change gaming forever. Oh really? They didnt SCAN shiat during their presentation! You wanna know why? Because its fake. Look at their movements during the presentation. Slow, easy to identify movements so the system doesnt crash rofl. And the moment he moved faster, BAM THERE IT IS! The system crashed trying to show you the bottom of his avatar boots! Hahaha how fking pathetic is that. Cant even show the bottom of his 2D cartoon shoes. And meanwhile, these retarded bots think Natal is going to change gaming forever. Sure, it will kid. ROFL. No precision, no accuracy, limited to slow and easy to identify movements = equals casual gimmicks and mini shiat games. but but but it worked on Burn out. Hahah, what? Burn out is a 20 year old game. What the hell are you smoking. Playing 20 year old arcade racers doesnt require much to work. Precision racing like Gran turismo, precision shooting in FPS or even dead space shoot limbs accuracy = no way "but but but, the video showed Natal scanning the skateboard!" Oh really? Then how come Tony Hawk says Natal is shiat? Use your stupid head for a change. That video means shiat. Its recorded using actors. All those retards appearing in the vid are actors. What you think that was a REAL family? They are all fking actors, you moron. Natal didnt scan shiat. Natal scanned a piece of wood. And the kid moved left and right with it. Natal didnt pick up shiat. It cant pick up pressures being applied on the skateboard for tricks. The kid was FAKING it. Thats why Tony Hawk says Natal is shiat and came up with his own skateboard. Natal is gimmick. Like Milo. Fake and scripted. Milo is a fking LIE. Worst than the 2005 killzone 2 CGI trailer. But of course, MS can do nothing wrong. When Sony does it, the fking stupid press would be all over it. My guess is you have a lot of these stinking Kotaku, Joystick and what more retards who are secretly wishing for a job at Microsofts. You know whats even more fking hilarious? When this crap Natal camera comes out for 200 bucks a piece, I would LOVE to see your retarded face squeeshed out in pain. Hahaha. You retards think this is gonna cost 20 bucks or something? Riiiighhhhtttt. Hahaha idiots.
woah insecure much? burnout is a twitch racer, and natal worked real good with it, theres lots of articles from the likes of IGN that state just how good it is, so maybe do your homework before you shoot your scardy cat mouth off. natal is already on its way to devs...sonys stick doesnt even have a code name, so what does that tell you?
Motion control is such a joke this should sell to old folks homes and grade school kids but come on a real gamer, I don't think so after a day of work and taking care of my 2 kids the last thing I wanna do is waggle. Oh and droid sony will give back your dildo when their done with it.
And Montreafart = NASIM Dude whatever you say, you're a moron so your comment doesn't count.
"And Montreafart = NASIM " It's blatantly obvious that he isn't, so if you're gonna try being clever and *can't*, then save yourself the embarrasment.
Actually I dont see any difference between Natal and EyePet technology.. Its exactly the same, but its used differently, right now the EyePet technology is used for that pet purpose, they could go the same way that Microsoft did, for sports etc..
This is the problem with having a site that has contributers cuzz fanboys will jump on that test just to get there peace in, the more fanboys and xbots that publish about there console the more it pusher the fact, I should write one and title it ... Sony first place E3 was almost tainted by Natal, but Microsoft needs more games not gimics lol. Seriously , grow the F up.
Sony Won lol.
It's been days now since Natal has been released and still nobody came up with a good idea on how to practically use that technology in a core game. Why didn't Microsoft just show a demo of an FPS game played with Natal? Because it's NOT there. Yet they know that's what gamers want to see. And don't even mention Burnout Paradise, who wants to hold their arms in the air for hours? Racing games are played with a steering wheel.
Everyone's talking about Sony games, how come half of them are unplayable? Natal didn't put Sony in 2nd place, the rehashed games and the I'm trying to survive PSP put Sony in 2nd place. No one knew Left 4 Dead 2 was coming out, Proof: Fans are mad. No one knew Crackdown 2 was coming out, Proof: InFamous got owned in the trailer(he picked up the electricity generator threw it off the building, lol) Everyone was denying Metal Gear on the XBox 360, until !!!!! Kojima showed up. Facebook has how many users? Over 200 million? INSTANT SUCCESS ON THE XBOX 360. How popular is Twitter? INSTANT SUCCESS. Every that has a Gold Live Account can instantly get 1080p on demand WITH NO LAG, NO MATTER HOW SLOW YOUR CONNECTION IS. To get on Live you'd need broadband so no problem to the rest of the online community. Last.fm = FREE SONGS FOR EVERYONE. Screw iTunes. Last and the least, the technology that is 200 years early, project Natal. Everyone is saying Microsoft won, if you disagree come to the light side.
Well, personally, your write-up doesn't convince me that Microsoft "won." You only mention THREE video games in your write-up, and one of them is a multi-platform side project, and the creator of the main series (Kojima) is not directly involved with the game. I'm sorry, but I'm just not excited about that announcement. First of all, I don't like the idea of Konami forcing a side-project on Kojima that he doesn't REALLY want to make, and won't even directly involve himself in. He's not writing, he's not directing, and he's not involved in game design, as he has already said. It's a cash-in. I'm not saying it won't be fun, but we've seen no gameplay of it, and it's NOT the same Metal Gear that true Metal Gear fans enjoy. It's not even "tactical espionage action" anymore, it's "lightning bolt action." Anyway, three games, one of which is also on PS3? That doesn't spell "win" to me. Needs more games. The non-gaming stuff is alright, but not what I bought my 360 for.
Natal is a piece of trash that provides zero feedback to the user and thus is a fail project.
No, not in my opinion at least.
If the new xbox 360 game worlds are aware of the gamer, NPC's talk like real people would (even if limited in many ways) and generally interaction and immersion goes up x1000, then the competition will simply follow far behind, with zero hope of catching up I mean who would go back to a RPG that NPC's do not look at you when you speak to them and you move or are not scared when you take certain poses ? Noone BTW Alan Wake was by far the most exiting game of the E3 show, with Mass Effect 2 close behind, so MS has the games too Splinter Cell seems spectacular as well
you do realize that the milo demo and natal are hardly going to b used together in large projects milo looked good but is only tonal emotional based tech tonal tech has existed sinc the dawn of voicerecognition as for emotion based ai 1998 i was first implemented in a game you wont see milo like ai used in mass for enemies in an fps for many years nice demo but a demo of an early idea is all
Ah, so Natal was the "wait until E3 for a massive announcement that would destroy the PS3 exclusive line-up" that people like you have been whittering on about for the past few months? I guess it must be, as I didn't see nowt else matey.
Were MAG, Uncharted, and GOW3 CGI too.
No, but MAG is laggy and generic and GoW3 is 2010.
Cliffy B's platformer was laggy. Or was that buggy?
@Above: Epic's platformer was a joke, I agree. It was wrong time and place to show an XBLA game. Same goes for Joyride and Sony's ModNation Racers (or what's it called).
You better believe it. Project Natal has everybody excited and is THEE talk of E3. The future is so bright for us 360 owners. :)
i would say its bright for everyone. except for the wii users. nin´tendo suck this generation
^This guy... I think I speak for every PS3 owner when I say... *giggle*
In the year 2100, but at the current state of technology motion detecting means detecting changing pixels and drawing a known shape around them. The camera couldn't tell apart your face from your butt. There are just too many different characteristics in a human face or body to detect it precisely, yet at least. Things like Skin color, eye distance, nose width etc etc, you can go on and on, these things are different on all the billions of humans walking the earth. Natal could be called the Eyetoy plus as it takes it one step further. Meanwhile Sony realized this stuff is casual only. That skadeboarding demo in the Natal video, ollies are possible, even some grinds, but try to land a christ air 180 without some kind of controller, idiotic to even think this would work like that. When Sony announced their motion controller I thought Wiimote ripoff, until I heard sub-millimeter tracking and then saw this picture: http://www.kokugamer.com/wp... It shows where Sony is heading with this approach, and I have to admit, I kind of like it. If they truly deliver a medival themed game where you can swing the sword any way you like and the collision detection does the damage, they have my vote for it. Also, Sony's Eyetoy is 8 years old, they know the boundries already, as they said some things are just plain impossible without buttons, specificly hardcore games. And so far Natal screams casual only so, go nuts over it all you want, but you will end up playing gamer's games and not some crap "the whole family could enjoy" while wobbling their limbs in front of a camera. Also, the most suspicios fact is, they haven't showed any of the good stuff everyone is talking about live on stage, nothing, just same lame videos that are most probably fake. That Milo thing, apart from beeing completely useless in gaming, is probably just a timed video montage. I could have a video of me discussing politics with X amount of ME's like that.
So, why would i take your word for it ? A game world that is aware of your actions and voice is the single most innovative thing that happened to gaming since it invention actually, the 360 exclusives will really suck you in their worlds and the worlds will react to you I think Natal is by far the most important thing that could happen to gaming, and seems like 2025 material
Professionals like Tony Hawk? What would be the point of a Milo in a game? An RPG where YOU ask all the questions instead of pre defined ones? Now that would work out well, with all the different languages, accents and dialects out there. Plus the characters would have to be fed with information of everything you could possibly say and understand context. Computers can calculate numbers at speed the human brain can never dream of. But that is not it's strength. Understanding body language, facial expressions, the mood you are in judging by your voice, different dialects and accents of a language you speak, current tech is not capable of this, if it would be they would show a stage demo. But let's assume Milo works, in a controled environment, you would have to emilinate all the disturbances, color and brightness contrast so Milo could tell you apart from the background. Any noise that could interfere with your voice. They couldn't accomplish that live on stage. It would have to work in every environmet possible, and I would put money on the thought that it does not. Precisely the point of them showing Milo backstage in a sealed off room without disturbing noise or environment. Edit: MS introduced a build in voice recognition software with Vista, it works OK'ish but you still have to repeat yourself over and over again, you can't have a converation with a box of plastic and metal yet.
agreed that said i ouldnt mind a fun simple ball breaking game to get fit with
I wanna to play GAMES not to dance BALLET... Sony conference show me games and M$ show me ballet...uaheauehuehe Its perfect to you...americans a**holes
and i should probably be offended by what you just said. but man, that made me crack up. lol. +bubbles for that one.
it seem like sonyfanboys are upset about how project natal is getting so much love and sony glow dildos aren't. maybe if sony showed something new instead of a wii-mote clone. maybe it would get more buzz.
I believe it works but it cant be applied to normal games. I suggest play a race game for half an hour. with your arms straight forward and tell me afterwords how your arms feel and if you even could manage to last half an hour. Natal is a failure just like wii (not sales wise) because it cant be applied to a character. You cant get your character walking forward and or backwords, you need a controller for that. Motion control combined with traditional controls is where the future is. In a few years time you will play Halo with natal only in conjuction with sort of controller. Any one who believes otherwise will be proven wrong by MS themselves in a few years.
lol N4PS3G is trying to hard today to bash Sony with stupid articles haha