Is the Xbox 360 Elite really a better deal than the Playstation 3? An in-depth comparison of the two flagship game consoles from Microsoft and Sony.
I agree with Joe, this article could have been just another wet dream for fanboys but instead it presents both sides of the story and doesn't really end up being biased. Still wish the Elite had Wi-Fi as standard though considering how cheap it is! More articles like this please to offset all those damn April Fools ones!
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is not that great. Its about time somebody used common sense towards the Elite or the realality on the current state of the gaming industry for that matter. Sheeesh!!!... I do agree that sence a HDMI port/cable is included the HD-DVD player should come bundled although it would raise the 360 over PS3s price which defeates MSs marketing purpose with thier arch enemy, J/k. Brings me back to the good old Xbox days with its black color with forest green leds and X symbol. Talk about pimped out Xbox
He is somewat of a fanboy of MS..hat is my opnion ....talking about acheivements...if u never played the game who cares...lots of playstaion owners can care less abou thoes silly acheivements
Dispite the fact that YOU and your friends dont care about them, just about everyone on my friends list talks about them in some capacity. Its a great way to get people to play... why hate on them? It is a bonus.. period.
Millions agree when he says acheivements add replay value. Come on you need to come up with something a little more substantial than dissageeing the importance of acheivements to try and disscredit this post. And consumers looking for a console for HD gaming not caring for movies will think the 360s a better deal hands down. Any consumer looking for a high end console not really caring about old pedigree series and just want games will choose the 360. If you care about PS3 games then you'll buy a PS3. If you want to play games in HD the 360's the way to go, Movies well thats a different story or is it?-- http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...
the millions who actually like achievements and admit that it adds replay value, don't realize that it's just MS way to get developers to make games that'll force you to want to keep playing said games. when in reality, all they're useful for is to help the MS make you think that 360 version has more replay than other consoles.
Yeagh no way a developer would want to have a reason to force you to keep playing there game...thats stupid...WTF. /sarcasm/
Sorry, but that has to be one of the dumbest comments I have read. Any thing that is going to add replay to a game or make you want to keep playing said game is a fantastic idea. God forbid the developers do something that would make you want to play their game more. Nope, I thought about it a bit more and i do believe that your comment IS the dumbest thing I have read on N4G.
Did you really just say that
This was a great read and one that offered an unbiased and relevant argument. I totally agree with what is said. Totally off topic, i recently bought a PS3 and bought Kingdom of Heaven and Speed on blue ray, and i can honestly say that it is not the huge leap above regular DVD picture quality i was expecting. I just wondered is it just me or is blue ray kind of over rated. Spending £30 on a disc and it not being that great has left me feeling disappointed. Any other person got a PS3 and feel the same?!
what is ur TV? i bet you don't see it with HDTV, bluray or hd-dvd movies will not show better if you watch on normal tv dude, you have to check it out on HD-TV with HDMI or at least component cable. I don't have HDTV yet, but I check it at my friend's house who have home theater room. this article by any means... is numb, I bet he love bill so much. very funny to compare with PS3, everybody trying to influence everybody with a harsh articles like that. how long it will last? *add* before you read it, check that 360 HDMI port is 1.2 not 1.3 standard http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/...
The picture quality will vary based on your tv. Jaymarshall, what kind of tv do you have? I've got the 60" XBR2 and I can tell a significant difference between blu-ray and dvd. I can tell the difference between dvd and my HD channels. It's big. Not as big as VHS to DVD but still, I'm to the point where watching content that isn't HD is a let down and I avoid it. I watch the Discovery Channel HD when I'm really not interested in the programming (sometimes, they do have good shows eg. Planet Earth). Your tv needs to have the horse power to show off the blu-ray. I had some budies come into town to and they were drooling over the blu-ray but it's the tv as much as it is the blu-ray. You're only as strong as your weakest link.
your display settings
£30?! you got ripped off there mate. hmv were selling speed for £17.99, and i dont thing kingdom of heaven was much more. and you can pick em up for cheaper on internet. and yeh what tv were u using? SD doesnt do it justice at all, ull need HD for that, preferably 1080p
jaymarshall, i have my ps3 hooked up to my 720p/1080i lcd tv by hdmi cable. even though it is not at the best picture you can get (1080p), there is still a noticeable difference in the quality. it is much clearer than if you were to watch the same movie on standard dvd. like others have stated, make sure you are viewing the movie on an hdtv and through hdmi. i only have on movie on blu-ray (black hawk down) and it looks much clearer. i can only imagine how much better it is at 1080p. many people at first said that the ps3 will only play blu-rays at 1080p or 480p but i have noticed that, i do not want to say upgrade, but it does boost the picture and sound quality if your tv resolution is somewhere in between. people at best buy and circuit city have also told me this as well. so i was not the only one.
Also, keep in mind that older movies on Blu-Ray will NOT show off what the format is capable of. The majority of the blu-ray re-releases were upscaled to fill out a 1080p display, which means that it will not look any better than playing a DVD on a GOOD upscaling DVD player. (Just like how some of the early DVD's didn't look that much better than the same movie on a GOOD VHS VCR) Now newer movies? Absolutely no comparison between DVD and Blu-Ray on a 1080p display. Crank is a GREAT example of what Blu-Ray video can look like. It literally looks like you're watching the movie in a movie theater...
brain washed ps3 can upgrade there hard drive and all ready have a hdmi port HMMM Point 2 U still have to buy a hd dvd drive Ps3 1 up for blue ray in a box ps3 1 up for hdmi 1.3 from start x box 1 up for wow stealing games. oh and Halo 3 Big f,ing wow bungie needs to bring new ideas out and NOT halo wars cause we all no C&C is well better. F**K the Elite people who buy this needs a good slap on the face X box 360 E + HDDVD driver + recharge kit PLUS again 1 day stealing Blue ray driver = A malted wallet Ps3 Future prof All at 1 price plus x box achivements did this guy sleep when HOME was announced... Just wait and see with ps3 X box sucked at first Ps3 may be a slow start but at the end of this year we will see a change!
Wrong! You don't HAVE to buy the HD-DVD drive. For playing the best games, the standard 360 is enough. Even a core can give the same graphics without a HDD. The HD-DVD drive is on sale BTW overhere in The Netherlands for 169 Euro. BluRay ain't a standard yet. I'd rather choose which drive I want when it becomes a standard. Halo Wars isn't out yet and you know it's better dan C&C? BTW C&C 3 is on the 360 and isn't coming to your beloved PS3 dude PS3 Homo is a gimmick, like Sims, but it's not the game central for online gaming like XBL does. Why do you Sony fans always say: Wait untill the PS3 launches Wait untill the games come Wait untill... WHEN exactly? Sony's laughing because you all are buying the This is Waiting concept EDIT BTW why a external drive like the HD-DVD add on is better: You can also use it with your PC! THat's why the value of that device is much better then an internal one. If it breaks down, you don't have to send your 360 back. If the PS3 BluRay gives up (Sony is known for bad lasers in their drives) you're f*cked like the PS2 owners were
mart, didn't reviewers kinda praise sony for the blu-ray player in the ps3 in regards to the quality of the player? i thought i read on a few websites posted on n4g that the ps3 is one of the best, if not the best, blu ray player out right now? you are right though about the whole waiting thing though. i have a ps3 and am getting kinda sick of watching games getting postponed...
Each system will share many third party games. So until the install base for each system is huge, consumers will have to go with what first party games they want to play (if they HAVE to choose only ONE system). Some people will want Bluray and Wifi + tilt, others will want a lower price, bigger harddrive and rumble. It's really preference, thats the bottom line. I personally wouldnt get an elite unless i can get good trade-in value for my upgraded Xbox360 core, but not having wireless connectivity (already in the box) was very inconvenient for me because my HDTV is in my living/theater room while the computer is in my bonus room.
hire some one to put in a wired network. Cost me 1200 bucks, with cat 6 cabling, to have 6 ports put into my bedrooms, game room, and great room with the network interface in my office. Very reliable.
thx for the advice but thats quite expensive for me. It would be better if i just bought the wireless xbxo360 adapter ($99.99) and stuck with my cable + router. or just go high speed satilite connection + plus xbox adapter.
is NOT going to help mass sales in my opinion! Reason.......it's a higher price;consumers may possibly question why there's 3 different versions of a 360........in return, avoid the purchase and choose a competitor. Hey, I'm all for the 360, but I feel they didn't need to go there with this generation. I respect that they're giving the public "choices",but I think this one was kinda unessential to their strategy.
i actually agree with this argument. i think that, unless it comes in cheaper or with added functionality that we already do not know about, the elite COULD deter gamers into buying a xbox premium - why buy an inferior product (analogy is poor ps3 20gb demand in comparison to 60gb)? at the same time the high cost of the elite makes the ps3 seem more attractive. the pricing differential becomes less significant in the decision making process. maybe ms is using the pc model i.e. choice for the consumer. if it works then beers to ms but i think for the masses (i.e. not the technically literate people in the forum) simplicity can often be better. as a consumer i am loathed to buy something that is not the best AND cannot be upgraded easily (you can't just turn a premium into an elite). with a pc you can always upgrade to whatever spec you like by changing the parts. this is significant difference between the choice offered by pcs and the choice offered by microsoft's xbox.
i like the way x box has all the Clip ons Hdvd wifi Power pack Etc what more soon to come Soon we will have a huge x box robot in our soon over heating and using all the power in the country
They both look sexy as hell
360 elite yes but ps3 hell no; looks like a fat retarded piece of sh!t.
..or why would everyone buy 600 USD PS3 to replace the HDD with a larger drive when there's the cheaper model more suited to that? That makes PS3 cheaper than the 360 elite but with same qualities I suppose. Please correct me if I'm wrong. "..ability to add a regular hard drive to their PS3s if they so desire, purchasing say a 200 GB PC drive and connecting it to the PS3 at a much better value than the 360's pricier drive - but that does mean that the PS3 owner is looking at $600 for the system and then another $100 or so for a separate hard drive."
what about if you get an external hdd and connect by usb to the ps3? then you'll have the 60gb internal hdd plus the additional exteranl hdd right??
I was at the game store today and played a bit of Motorstorm, nice game but not great - and thought the graphics displayed on the plasma/or could be an lcd widescreen tv was'nt that mind blowing as some of you would say... which led me to believe that this Blu-ray thing is just all hype, to the average buyer you could'nt tell the difference between a HD-DVD or a Blu-ray ( probably it's storage capacity could only be it's advantage over HD-DVD, but then who cares ) also in a few months/years time a newer format will challenge them both and so on... I do like how the PS3 looks in the flesh and would'nt mind getting one, it's just that - it's so bloody expensive ( AU$1,000.00!!! - excluding the games ) and not that many titles to collect ( most, are also available on the XBox 360 ). Sony c'mon bring your prices down will you?!!, at the way your charging us customers it a'int worth buying!! And release more games!!!
like you can tell a difference at first, but once you play the games in HD and watch blu ray movies in HD everything seems fuzzy in comparison. I only say this cause I just experienced it the other day when I went back to play Bully after a few months straight of PS3 and 360 gaming.
peski- I bought the 60 gig PS3 for the Wifi capabilities ;). To all you who keep remarking that Blue Ray movies "aren't that much better than DVD," I can't say I disagree (at least on standard def TVs, as I don't have an HDTV). However, you are missing the point.... The PS3 uses Blue Ray discs for GAMES to get 50 gigs of storage (for high res textures and uncompressed video/sounds). Xbox360 (I believe) still uses DVDs for games. Hmmmmmm :(
I also have a sony 60xbr2 and blu-ray looks far superior to a dvd on it... everyone that comes over is amazed how clear the picture is right out of the box(no calibration) so I honestly think the people who disagree with this need a better TV or need their eyes checked. Even on a $500 720p flatscreen my buddy picked up from wal-mart looked amazing when playing casino royale. On the xbr2 itll make you drool.
This is the only place games fans act like DUMB @SSESS. If I can I will attempt to lay down the law here. 360 elite: HDMI + largest 1st party HDD 120 gigs. HDMI ((included)). Still no Wi Fi. M$ compression tech. proves that HD DVD & Blu Ray are not needed for a console yet. Same games selection and rumble standard in all joysticks. Price $480.00 PS3 PRO: HDMI supported but not included, 60 GIG HDD, Wi Fi included, Blu Ray which is for movie proposes and has yet to be proven as a must feature for a games console. The same games selection and SIXAXIS tilt control. Price $600.00 1st Wi fi. - This feature is very cool for those who have a Wi Fi connected home. The only con is this connection is too easily interrupted. So game play can get frustrating on line for both consoles. 2nd HD DVD and Blu Ray. We as gamers have no need for this yet. The only thing that makes this arguable is Sony including it in the PS3. It has shown to have no games related advantage yet. HD DVD is leading in the movie world when it comes to stand alones. But the movie selection could use some help from Sony. Sony gets a plus for including it because there are many gamers who love movies. MS gets a plus too because of the Video Market place that also offers HD moves. 3rd HDMI Doses not give you any games related advantage over any other option out here. You can get a clean 1080p picture from VGA and HDMI. 720p and 1080i are still great and by no means will you feel your missing some thing if this is the best your HD TV can do. M$ gets plus because they include the cable. A good HDMI cable cost around $50.00 - $100.00 depending on the brand. So the way I see it you get a larger HDD and HDMI upfront with the cables included. Sony pushed HDMI but would not include the games for HD or HDMI. Still both consoles are good but the 360 still has the best sweet spot price and games selection. Sony fans you guys are going to exhaust your self trying so hard to stop the 360 from doing what it dose which is satisfy gamers. And 360 fans please stop feeding into this fight PS3 fans are pushing just leave it alone.
to stop disagreeing. The truth is, there is nothing that any Playsation 3 fan could or should say to justify its price versus an Elite. I think its an argument not worth arguing over. If you really think the Elite is going to snatch up the high-end gamer market ... go for it. Let the market decide who's the 'blackest of them all'.
You have some good points but just about every good point I can dissect and give you a different way to look at the situation so let’s start! First! 360 elite: HDMI + largest 1st party HDD 120 gigs. HDMI ((included)). Still no Wi Fi. M$ compression tech. proves that HD DVD & Blu Ray are not needed for a console yet. Same games selection and rumble standard in all joysticks. Price $480.00 I agree with this section all except that part about MS compression tech proves that HD DVD and Blu Ray are not needed for consoles yet. Because I will talk about this later on in this post, lets move on. Second! PS3 PRO: HDMI supported but not included, 60 GIG HDD, Wi Fi included, Blu Ray which is for movie proposes and has yet to be proven as a must feature for a games console. The same games selection and SIXAXIS tilt control. Price $600.00 Why do you use the Pro version of the Ps3 I could easily get the Ps3 core version and still have 20gb HDD Blu Ray and Tilt wireless tilt controller. Now for less that $100 dollars I can upgrade this system with a 120gb HDD and now I have a system that is more apples to apples comparable to the 360 elite. But wait, I have a High Definition DVD player. Point Sony for Blu Ray player Point MS for price point Third! 1st Wi fi. - This feature is very cool for those who have a Wi Fi connected home. The only con is this connection is too easily interrupted. So game play can get frustrating on line for both consoles. I agree with this that’s why both of my systems are hardwired. But it is cheep and could be thrown in for free. Sony did it why does M$ make you pay $99 dollars for it? Point Sony for giving Wi Fi for free Forth! 2nd HD DVD and Blu Ray. We as gamers have no need for this yet. The only thing that makes this arguable is Sony including it in the PS3. It has shown to have no games related advantage yet. HD DVD is leading in the movie world when it comes to stand alones. But the movie selection could use some help from Sony. Sony gets a plus for including it because there are many gamers who love movies. MS gets a plus too because of the Video Market place that also offers HD moves. Ok first off, Sony has proven that it is useful to us gamers buy showing us that you can place uncompressed video, audio, and textures on the Blu ray disc (truth is, we all know that uncompressed is always better than compressed. Try it with your MP3’s. A .wav file will sound much better that a deeply compressed .mp3 at louder volumes). They showed this with R:FOM, remember 22gigs, not only that but they also showed that with the added space you could have far more textures available to your programmers pallet. Again R:FOM had very little in the way of reused textures. Second point, you said that HD DVD is leading tin the movie world when it comes to stand alones. As this is true, you also have to admit that this format war is not about stand alones players but about total payers in the homes. With the PS3 having the Blu Ray drive in the system the number of Blu Ray players in the homes far out weighs the number of HD DVD players. Plus Sony has all of the studios, plus Blu Ray is all other the place, selling almost 3:1 in sales compared to HD DVD. Sorry HD DVD might just lose this one. (trying to be nice on this one, I really think that it’s already over) Point Sony for adding the Blu Ray as standard equipment (but because I gave them a point already for this will not count this point) Point MS for giving the option for a High definition DVD drive at a later time Fifth! 3rd HDMI Doses not give you any games related advantage over any other option out here. You can get a clean 1080p picture from VGA and HDMI. 720p and 1080i are still great and by no means will you feel your missing some thing if this is the best your HD TV can do. M$ gets plus because they include the cable. A good HDMI cable cost around $50.00 - $100.00 depending on the brand. So the way I see it you get a larger HDD and HDMI upfront with the cables included. Sony pushed HDMI but would not include the games for HD or HDMI. In this section I agreed with you up until you started quoting prices for an HDMI cable. People, people HDMI is nothing special it is just a cord. Just like cat 5 and cat 6, regular telephone wire, component cables, and composite cables. There is no magic to it! You say a good HDMI cable, what makes it good? Shielding? Because that’s all you are really getting when you buy monster cables. If you pay more that $30 dollars for any cable that is less than 9 feet you are just crazy. I paid $25 dollars for my HDMI cable. That’s it!!! It works just fine and it doesn’t give any less of a quality of picture than a monster HDMI cable that cost $100 dollars. If it did, then you would have to give up your whole argument that the quality between 720p, 1080i and 1080p are not that big. Because how could you say that the quality between 720p, 1080i and 1080p are not that big, but the quality differences between a $100 cable $25 cable is really huge. That just doesn’t make any sense. Point Sony for including 1.3 HDMI capability's from the start Point MS for giving the HDMI cable away for free Sixth! Still both consoles are good but the 360 still has the best sweet spot price and games selection. I agree that they are both good and I admit 360 has PS3 beat in games selection (right now) but price over hardware. I’m sorry Sony has got that hands down! If MS put a High definition DVD player in the system at the same price point they would win hands down. Point Sony for good hardware/very little return complaints and value for price. Point MS for one year headstart/more games, and for giving NEW 360 fans a better x360 system while screwing the early adopters. (My opinion, I won't be upgrading my 360 $180 for a new 120gig HDD ridiculous!!!!) Lastly! Sony fans you guys are going to exhaust your self trying so hard to stop the 360 from doing what it dose which is satisfy gamers. And 360 fans please stop feeding into this fight PS3 fans are pushing just leave it alone. I’m not on one side or the other (cause I have both and enjoy both) but really I think that it is the Xbox fan boys that are exhausting themselves, tiring to stop PS3 from doing what it dose and has DONE for the pass decade, which is satisfy gamers. So please Ps3 fans stop feeding into a fight that the 360 fans are pushing just leave it alone. Total MS 4 points (I could take half appoint away for bad hardware and screwing early adopters but I will let it go this console race. But if they do it next time around…..) Sony 4 points Get the system you can afford, and if you can afford them both, get both. They systems are equal, all depends on your preference. “Jump in” and “Welcom3 chang3” Sorry for the long post hope you read it all. Just wanted to point out some stuff.
And we do have the best choices in history to pick from or buy them all.
These are two different products, in essence. Core /Premium 360's are for gaming plain and simple. Elite has been released due to Microsofts introduction of IPTV. As all programms will be in HD the hard drive space will be required and of course full HDMI. Of course you may say why not just release a hard drive? Just upgrading the hard drive is not a very profitable option besides this model should and will be advertised to people who want an IPTV box in HD with possibility to play games. How many PS3's do you think were sold purely for its Blu Ray viewing capabilities?? This was obviously Sony's main reason to include Blu ray to push the format into homes. Microsoft is basically doing the same but, they are late to the game and are still riding their "We give consumers choice" wave. This principle is very common in any industry of today its called product differentiation.All consoles may coexist as long as they can create a niche for it self in the markets that it targets. And to the moderators, how about a poster ignore button then at least people that come to have a discussion dont need to read this trolling shiit coming of completely immature,imbeciles such as THC PRITCHARD. Such comments as his do not deserve to be viewed by people who want to have an intelligent discussion. If you disagree, then you seriously need to mod this site properly as its populated by 12 year olds with exception of a handfull of mature posters.
What if the PS3 was the same price as the "ELITE"? But i know i know all you guys could run sony better than sony. It will drop. there`s honestly no reason to drop the price right now. After E3 and TGS before christmas. when socom gets announced. when mgs4 comes. the price will drop or they will create some sort of package deals. Think it thru.
Currently, MS and Nintendo are in much better positions for a price drop than Sony, meaning either theirs will happen first or whenever Sony decides to do something, both MS and Nintendo will trump it. The Wii is the most profitable system, with the 360 second, making $75-$100 per unit sold. The PS3 is losing money for Sony on each unit sold. Therefore Sony won't make a price drop until they are either earning a profit on the PS3 or out of complete desparation because they are getting stomped. Since neither are currently happening, no price drop for Sony.
With Sony already manufacturing the Cell CPU's on a 65nm die process (and working on shrinking it down to a 45nm die process), they will achieve pretty significant component price drops. Also, the smaller chips require less power and less cooling than the original 90nm chips, which means even more components can be eliminated in the power supply and the cooling system. And if Sony can make the software backwards compatibility work out, then that's another cost reduction. I have a feeling that E3 will bring some big news out of Sony. Anyone that is counting them out already is sadly mistaken. I would not be one bit surprised to see a price drop right before the Christmas shopping season. In all honesty, I don't think that ANY of the system manufacturers will be able to pull off a runaway success (like the PS2 managed to do). This "console war" will be a VERY close one. Each of the new consoles has its strengths and weaknesses. But trying to say that one console is definitely better than another one, it's purely speculation. Each one has things that will appeal to different portions of the gaming community. Besides, if one company did "win" the console wars and drive their competition out of the business, the biggest loser in the "war" would be gamers. With no competition, there would be little reason to innovate, and the industry would start becoming stagnant. (Those of you old enough to remember the early 80's game market crash KNOW what I'm talking about) Personally, I'm GLAD that there are three different companies in it... Overall the competition in the market makes for better gaming for us.
comparing the second version of the 360 to the ps3?? If the ps3 does come out with another version....thats when u really compare...but hey whatever floats your boat
They compare because it's what is available on the market NOW. The average consumers aren't interested in what might come out in a year or so. When we see some new PS3 hardware (if it takes that long) than I'm sure new comparisons will pop up.
It's a good article (and at last a positive one for the Elite :P) but I think all the points mentioned, and the emphasis placed on some, are relative to a person's own perspective.
pros and cons to both. Fangirls will always twist it so their console comes out on top.
We can argue all day about PS3 vs XBox 360 and what one has that the other does not. To me is all about games. That's non-negotiable. You can give me as many oranges as you want but if what I am looking for is apples you can keep them. We can talk about blu-ray, hd-dvd, wifi, hdmi 1.3 and the other crap. Did you realized you all have turn into PR agents? What's worst is that you are not even getting pay for it. Stick with the console with the most games you want to play. the one that offers you the best online/multiplayer service. And you are like me and can afford all consoles; get them all, that way you get the best of all worlds. It's sad that you "gamers" have to resort to technical specs to prove that you "game" console is better. Let's talk about the games. Technical specs do not make games fun. Edit: "then compare it to xbox when they were out for less then 6 months to the ps3 if u want to compare games" will 6 months be enough? Do you actually think microsoft will stop making games so the PS3 can catch up? 360 games are being developed at a faster rate than PS3 games. "will eventually have all these games that xbox has" I think most would argue that it's the other way around, it may seem as if the PS the one losing exclusives to the 360 and not teh other way around. Also, what you are saying is bogus, since you will not see games like Mass Effect, Blue Dragon, Lost Oddise, Forza 2, etc. Also, I don't intend to make the PS3 look bad, I believe is a great console and I will be picking one myself. I was trying to be unbias when I said to pick the console that have the most game you want to play; which it seems trigger you. I think both consoles will continue to improve. I think that some of you really think that Microsoft will sit on their hands and stop all game development and new features just so the PS3 can overrun them. Sorry but things just don't work that way. The same way Sony will do the best their can to improve.
well then we shouldnt be arguing at all over xbox 360 and ps3 because the ps3 just came out and will eventually have all these games that xbox has (xcept halo unfortunately) but if ure going to compare the two systems then compare it to xbox when they were out for less then 6 months to the ps3 if u want to compare games... In the future thet ps3 specs will prove that their games will be better unless xbox puts out an elite 2 ... instead of sony making a ps4 they should just call it ps3 elite and add little accessories to it.
Spending this kind of money on a game console make u look at the specs $400/$600 is a lot of money just to play some games if thats all i wanted to do then i'd just buy pc games and spend the extra money on upgrades. I want the most bang for my buck that why i look at specs.
An upgrade and plus the HDMI for this XBox 360 is only 1.2 and not 1.3 and the HDMI for the PS3 is 1.3 which technically makes the PS3 still better than XBox 360 and plus atleast there is a 120GB HDD that is cheaper than the XBox 360 HDD that only cost $49.99 and not $179 for the PS3. so still PS3 will always be better than XBox 360.
If you’re looking to buy a next gen console for the first time and your rich get the PS3 but you’re not going to have very many games to choose from and there all equal and less in some cases than the 360. If you want something just as powerful with a spectacular library of games in HD or a superior online service including Movies, TV Shows, DC (downloadable content) and soon IPTV for a cheaper price then get the Elite (with a warranty) .
but it doesn't mean it's not biased. price point:360 has the advantage just because it has been out longer.even the 360 elite has an advantage with the cables being included for hd gaming and a larger hard drive.no disagreements here.clearly a game machine centered around gaming if you look at it that way. multimedia.clearly ps3 outdoes 360 in this department.we're not talking about streaming from pcs.you have to have media center features on your pc.and a pc to do it.that's not cheap.we're talking built in features.ps3 plays more just out of the box.ps1 games,ps2 games,ps3 games,bluray movies,dvd movies,cds,music files,video files downloaded in mpeg format from the net.it does more out the box. 360 doesn't do all those things out the box.it doesn't play more of your old games,it doesn't play high def movies,and it doesn't allow you to web browse and download video files or podcasts directly to your system from the net.as for iptv?all the hypocrites that speak about bluray not being needed need to wake up.iptv is not game related.having a 120gig hard drive is great,but is not needed for games.the elite system is not necessary to play games.so hypocrites,don't rely on this portion as centered around games.it's not.microsoft is centering 360 around other money generating businesses. online is a great feature that adds replay value to your games.no disagreement here.but both provide it.the only difference is that one company has been providing it longer.but doesn't mean sony's online won't match or outdo microsoft's online in it's own way soon.free means more money for games,and "home" coming for the system(for free) will add things that xbox live won't do.doesn't mean it's better,but it is something 360 won't do.and again,don't rely on movie and tv downloads,because it's not related to games.don't be hypocrites and say video downloads is cool,but home and bluray is not.and achievements are alright if you feel the need to compete,but add nothing to games.a game that has good replay value will still have it without achievements.same with rumble.a game with or without rumble will still be fun because it was made that way.but sony is closing the gap by bringing it back.(rumble) and just on a side note,the fact that microsoft offers hd-dvd means they wanted to match sony in the high def movie area.it may not be built in,but it is offered.but it's not the best hd player and doesn't match bluray when it comes to movies being offered.right now,hd-dvd is losing the format war.microsoft is seeing that and is ready to abandon the format for digital distribution.how many pieces of hardware need to be abandoned for people to see that microsoft will be ready to drop something at the drop of a hat?it will be the second time they would do this.as for "forced formats?" every game machine we have bought and the media the games were on were forced formats.i didn't ask for cartidge.i didn't ask for disc.it was forced on me and all of you.it's that simple.bluray is for games as well as movies.but it is for games. games.microsoft has been out longer and has more games.fact.but it doesn't have a large selection of games that jump out at you and say great.oblivion and gears are the only real standouts on 360.and ps3 is getting one of them.and sony is getting an EPIC game that will look great on ps3.there are duds on ps3 but there are more duds on 360 for the fact that it has been out longer.but anyone that says that ps3 has no games haven't played the system.gamers who say that ps3 has to wait on games?360 has to wait for vf5,it has to wait for armored core4,it has to wait too. if i were walking into a store and i was looking for an all around complete system that didn't nickle and dime me on everything,that didn't have a reputation of breaking,that didn't need to be upgraded a year after release(don't say choice),i'd buy a ps3 again.and those who play the most purchased home console,the ps2,are not going to jump to 360 because it won't have every game sony and ps3 would offer or has offered.even if halo is a big franchise,there are ps2 gamers that never played it.they heard of it,played their friends xbox,but it doesn't mean they will jump systems for that game alone.because,whatever games 360 gets that was exclusive to ps3,they(ps2 owners) will still buy it on ps3.because they are upgrading and still might want to play their old games too. but it is about preference.whatever floats your boat.mine just has sony's name on that boat.but after xbox,i'm not ready yet to give microsoft my money again until they fix issues that every 360 gamer knows that microsoft has but won't admit.sony may have issues too.but i say they offer more out of the box and is cheaper to buy over time.
Yea I brought my 360 last year, I was going to get a ps3 but there were no games. I like my 360, just waiting to play the Halo beta if it ever comes out. I'm going to sell my ps2 and xbox and buy a ps3 because I know the games are going to start coming out.
The Xbox 360 Elite will not output multi-channel PCM audio over HDMI, as with Core and Premium systems HDMI audio output remains crippled with the Xbox 360 Elite. The Xbox 360 Elite, even when connected to HDMI will not output uncompressed multi-channel audio. Xbox 360 HD DVD users hoping to enjoy the full glory of lossless HD DVD audio formats via HDMI should look elsewhere:PS3 Microsoft’s upcoming Xbox 360 Elite supports the HDMI 1.2 specification, unlike Sony’s PS3, which is HDMI 1.3 compliant. http://www.dailytech.com/ar...
good find. MS is a good company but they take the easy road far too often.
its because 360 compress everything, including the audio... that's why... they don't need 1.3 uncompress audio lol we should start comparing the audio quality of PS3 & 360... what? nobody have hi-end audio system? lol me too... you'll know how long that 360 will last... I bet no more than 3 years (that time you guys still stuck on DVD) while other games like MGS4 will come out which using the space of bluray... I have 360, and I know it won't last longer than ps3, not even 1 year... it death of red light already.
PS3 is the better deal. simple without a doubt. Blu-Ray player. - you have to purchase the X360 hd dvd player HDMI 1.3 - X360 has version 1.2 Wi-Fi. - you have to purchase the X360 Wi-Fi 60GB harddrive (I know the new X360 "Elite" has 120GB, but 60GB is sufficient. the following are in Canadian Prices: WHAT I AM COMPARING IS WHAT A CONSOLE HAS TO OFFER, YES I know microsoft makes all of these "OPTIONAL" right. Basically What I am trying to show is how much the X360 will cost to match or to offer the same features the PS3 offers. X360 HD DVD add on --> $199.99 X360 Wireless adapter ---> $129.99 20GB harddrive ---> $129.99 <--- this will probably lower whent he 120GB harddrive hits the shelf, but how much will the 120GB hardrive cost. let's say you bought the core. 399.99 - core console 199.99 - hd dvd player 129.99 - wi-fi 129.99 - 20 GB hard drive ------ $859.96 (yes I know the 20GB hard drive will cost less when it comes out, but if you want the 120GB harddrive it will at least cost $129.99, I also did not add how much the cable they are supposed to be making for the older X360 to make it HDMI) let's say you bought the premium console: 499.99 - premium console 199.99 - hd dvd 129.99 - wi-fi ------ $829.97 (add more $$$ if you want to upgrade to a 120GB hardrive and the cable necessary to make this version of the X360 to HDMI) lets say you buy the X360 ELITE 580 - elite console (again this is canadian dollar) 199.99 - hd dvd player 129.99 - wi fi ------ $909 PS3 (in my city they have stopped selling the 20GB PS3, so I will only be psoting the PS3 60GB hard drive price) 699.99 - PS3 built in blu ray player built in wireless buil in 60 GB harddrive that can also be upgraded. built in HDMI ver 1.3 (better then the X360 ver 1.2) yes you can claim that you still have to buy an hdmi cable ok so add 69.99 699.99+69.99= 769.98 that should answer which is the better deal. AGAIN FOLKS this is just comparing what the PS3 offers and how much more you need to pay for the Xbox360 if you want it to come close to what the PS3 offers. Basically for X360 costs more if you were to make it have all the features the PS3 has. Except X360 would have hddvd, and hmdi ver 1.2, I am not saying they are necessary but ps3 also makes better use of the blu ray format because games are made with that format and the X360 still uses the dvd9 format (not saying it is absolete, it probably will be next gen). BUT comparing consoles WITHOUT all its features and bonuses COMPARING just its GAMING features. X360 is the way to go. This is the MAIN reason the Nintendo Wii is doing so well. Nintendo did not waste their time making the wii all high techy and razzle dazzle they made a gaming machine with innovative controls and thats it. and that little machine is holding its own.
Thats all I'm saying too. But I guess ((I'm)) wrong. I think the PS3 mite catch up if the games get better. But no one has ever bought a games console for it's features. The bottom line is people buy the [email protected] thing for games. Every thing else is just an extra. My PC already dose every thing the PS3 & 360 dose. I have a 360 because of games in the first place that is why the PS3 is not in my home yet. NO GAMES that warrant a $600.00 purchase SONY PLAYSTATION brand name or not. Make nothing of it other than my opinon.
Everyone knows the PS3 has HDMI 1.3, but where did you find out that the Xbox 360 Elite will have HDMI 1.2. Doesn't really make much sense. If its true, I feel that Microsoft is very nearsighted. Please let everyone know where you got your source. I am going to assume your not a biased fanboy...although based on your fanatical post its very likely your a raging Sony fanboy.
Are you referring to my post below? If so, here's a couple of links that state Xbox 360 only uses HDMI 1.2 http://www.dailytech.com/Xb... http://asianfanatics.net/fo... Also, I've been a 360 supporter since before it launched. In no way am I a "raging Sony fanboy". Want proof? Here... Xbox Live Gamertag: MvC Xtrm / Other Gamertag: Xtrm L1481L1TY http://www.moviecodec.com/t... http://www.moviecodec.com/t...
You don’t need HD DVD add on to view HD movies on the 360 and you still have to buy cables for the PS3 not everyone can afford the top notch your excluding lower class people. The PS3s price is set at $499 and $599 but I can start out on the 360 with $299 and just add what I need to game or for whatever suits my need, you can’t do this with the PS3. We here are all gamers so we buy up every crumb they offer us, but there are other people out there that just want what they need and the 360 offers them that choice period. Example, If I want just next gen gaming machine I can buy the core and still play games until I save enough money to pay for the hardrive and Live and I can keep going until I have an ultimate gaming machine that matches (everything) the PS3 has to offer and then some. Not everyone can slap down $600 on a console and $400 on games and peripherals some people in this world (this may shock some of you) are poor and not nearly as well off as some of us nerds. Everyone on this site and others always max out the cost when it comes to console comparisons to make a point but you guys often forget those who cant afford high end gaming (WHICH IS THE MASS MAJORITY OF THE WORLD) If some of your rich a$$holse looked down once in a while you’ll see you actually outnumbered.
Here is the deal... if you add everything together to make sure the hardware specs match (add HD-DVD, wireless etc etc) the ps3 has a better deal WHEN IT COMES TO HARDWARE... PERIOD... you cant even argue that point. The 360 had more games...another point that cant be argued. So which is more important? Well most would say games. I would agree. However, if you must buy a console right now and you need the most selection of games... buy a 360. If you want to invest in a console that is going to last more than 2 years (yes I believe MS will have to update the format hardware in the next 2 years) get a ps3. It will have as many games as the 360, and more likely more of a selection.
I think the Elite is ridiculous. Microsoft made a mistake with this thing. Had Microsoft put an HD-DVD drive in it, then yes, I would seriously consider it because it would boost the HD-DVD sales in their favor and so far, Blu-Ray's killin' it. Hd-DVD is a lost cause. I'm soo sick of tacky add-on's/different versions, etc. I could puke. Not to mention, Microsoft charges a small fortune for the piece of shyte, cluttery add-on's. Congrats Sony for implementing a standard. Also, PS3 is future proof with HDMI version 1.3. WTF Microsoft? You add HDMI and you couldn't even do that? Give me a break. The only reason I don't trade my 360 in for a PS3 is because there is NO WAY I can miss out on some of the upcoming games for 360.
Xbox elite $480 + 150 hd drive + 50 for live = total of 670 +50 +50 +50 ps3 + blu-ray drive + live = total of 600 ps3 is looking like a bargain more and more each day or am i missing something