Siliconera: "Dragon Quest V: Hand of the Heavenly Bride and Dissidia: Final Fantasy were Square Enix's big sellers racking up over two million units sold in Japan alone. In North America its a different story..."
I don't see a PS3 game on that list. I wonder why?.....Oh wait Square Enix haven't release a PS3 game this generation. I don't count that cell phone port for Xbox live and the PSN as a game. I find it very funny that WKC and Star Ocean 4 sold almost the same, but WKC hasn't been release outside of Japan as yet.
Needs to realize that the majority of there games fan base are also PlayStation consumers. They should know this based off of the PSone, PS2, and PSP game sales. I would have bought Star Ocean 4 for PS3 as I played the others on PS2, but know I don't even care about Star Ocean anymore. And don't tell me to buy a 360, I did, at launch, broke ass POS, never buying another one. Anyways I will be picking up Final Fantasy XIII, VS. XIII, XIII Agito, Advent Children Complete on Blu-Ray and Dissida for PSP. But I think that Square shot themselves in the foot with the western market this gen.
the games that were released on xbox 360 wouldnt have sold all that well on ps3 either, they were mostly unpolished and more of an experiment. Star Ocean 4 isn't near as good as 3 was, thus it didn't sell as well. WKC sold really well for the ps3 so far, it seems like a really good game though... better than any 360 jrpg thus the good sales. At the end of the day, you have to realize most jrpgs sell 500,000 copies tops, don't fool yourself into thinking the ps2 ones mostly sold better than that... xeno series, final fantasy, dragon quest, a few level 5 games, and random flukes are the only jrpgs to push a million. Anyway, square is still working on the better games, the games they have released would of needed another year or two to be AAA.
Foolish my ass. I guarantee you that there are more JRPG fans in the PS3 install base than there are in the 360's install base. Anyone who dose not see this is the real fool.
the numbers show otherwise, its about the same. The only real argument is that the 360 install base isn't that strong in japan... but just look at the sales for a great game like persona 3 or 4 to see how much western playstation owners love jrpgs, lol. I mean it doesnt matter, but stop whining, sqaure hasn't released a polished next gen game yet... these 50 hour games take time you know.
What? The numbers show what exactly? That Square was foolish to put games like Star Ocean on the 360 when the games fan base is OBVOUSLY not there. And easy there guy, I gave up whining when I was about 8, you know, 20 years ago. I do agree with you that Square has yet to polish a game for this gen, but it is still silly to alienate your existing fan base, a fan base that has been built over the course of the last 18 years and 2 console generations.
oh cmon, just because star ocean 3 sold well doesn't mean this was a stupid move. Star Ocean 4 just isn't up to par, it would have sold about the same on ps3. The other Star Ocean titles never sold all that great, personally Id take Valkyria Chronicles, WKC, FF XIII vs, Demons Souls etc... over a subpar entry in the Star Ocean series. Heck the sales for Valkyria Chronicles and Eternal Sonata on ps3 probably have scared jrpg devs away from the ps3.
Oh hells yeah, I would also rather get my hands on Valkyria Chronicles, WKC, FF XIII vs, Demons Souls etc... over this subpar entry in the Star Ocean series. As for Star Ocean 4 sales being the same on both systems, I agree with you if it came out for both systems, but I really do believe that it would have sold better as a PS3 exclusive. It might not have been by much but another couple hundred or thousand copies is still more. The sales for Valkyria Chronicles and Eternal Sonata where poor. Eternal Sonata came out late on the PS3, we know that games that come to the other console later don't do that well. As for Valkyria Chronicles? Most people don't even know this gem is out there unless your talking to people on the internet.
Seeing how you guys are going at it, let's throw in that White Knight Chronicles, Demon Souls, and Valkyria Chronicles have outsold Star Ocean IV. It will be interesting to see the sales of Tales of Vesperia (PS3 Version) which is the complete version coming to Japan in a few months. Please note that the PAL version hasn't been released yet too...
Star Ocean 4, sub-par or not would have sold at least twice as many copies on PS3 had it been released. Even more than that had it been exclusive. You're fooling yourself if think otherwise. PS3 owners in all regions wanted that game. "It wasn't as good as SO3" It wouldn't need to be, a well-known franchise sells well based off name alone as long as it's available to its fan base. Word of mouth does not sway a fan, they will still purchase and judge for themselves. I'm still hoping it's one of those closed-lips timed exclusives where it will be available on other consoles but it can't be talked about/made known for a period of time.
They been releasing a lot of there titles on 360 only. They get a lot of income from their online games. One happens to be the 360 version of FFXI, there currently is no PS3 version of this online game. Sony only has the outdated one that is hard to find because most of the hardware and software for the PS2 was discontinued. Check is link. http://www.jpbutton.com/?p=... On a Side not, I believe this online tile they're making called rapture might be "tied in with the console universe of 13 this gen." Giving fans a reason to proceed further into this universe. That's just an opinion though.
800,000 worldwide for two 360 games by square,not good at all considering the cost of these versus the ds,psp titles selling in excess of both in japan only.i don,t know how much MS spent on them two titles but a loss is incoming big time.
Don't forget how there are 28 million 360 owners out there. I still can't figure out what SE is thinking. Just because there is a large base of owners doesn't mean there is a large amount of audience. It's like grabbing a 10 lb pie but only 2% is eatable and ignoring the 8 lb pie with 40% of it being eatable.
You really are.
with jrpg games not named final fantasy or dragon quest, of course there are random flukes but cmon, do some research.
Wow, trying to appeal to the western market was very ineffective. I can understand that they'd want to try but if they don't make a game in a genre popular in the West, but try to westernize JRPGs, they're bound to fail. Ouch, 420k for Star Ocean 4... Star Ocean 3 sold 1.2 million in Japan and the US alone, and with the numbers from Europe it'd most likely be closer 1.8 at least. Therefore, it's a safe bet that we're going to get a Ps3 announcement soon, TGS at the latest.
I just remembered that SO4 has not yet been released in Europe. Still, I'd imagine that even though some parts of SO3 were a huge turn-off (the twist, oh how we love it :/), I can't imagine that ~800k would just give up on the series.
That "twist" sucked balls. I hate Star Ocean because of that.
I see nothing wrong with appealing to the western market but the problem is that they are appealing to the wrong crowd of western market. I know many who purchased a PS3 who are waiting for JRPG. There are a lot of PS3 owners out there in the West and many of them are fans of JRPG. I think it's pretty obvious where the money is. The friends I know who own a 360 don't care about JRPG, in fact one of my friend, refuse to buy anything Japanese. He owns a 360 and zero titles from Japan.
UltimateIdiot911 said it best last generation ps2 was where jrpg's were successful and thats where the crowd is in the west. If sqare were to release one game like say star ocean on the ps3 it would most likely outsell all their xbox360 releases combined. I can't wait to see FFXIII japanese numbers it will probably outsell all 360 stuff worldwide. I don't mind the multi-plat strategy but leaving your biggest cash cow out of games isn't wise.
star ocean 3 is the only star ocean game that has sold well, dont pretend otherwise. Take a look at how the other star ocean games sold so far, jrpgs don't sell well for the most part... get over it.
The Last Remnant could be more successful if they got to Takai to actually port it to the PS3 like it was supposed to be... EDIT: Glad to see the portable games do well though, they've been much better than the 360 games.
the last remnant just isnt good enough to sell all that well, 400,000 copies for a game that most consider to be either ok or terrible is great.
Well I personally like the game and I think if they release it on the PS3 they can still get a 100 or more thousand sales.
WADA is KILLING SE, please can some one kill that clown??
Square has lost their f*cking minds and the president is a jackass.
I wonder how CESA is doing under his leadership?
=[ Awww don't say that. He's just mentally challenge, not like he's trying to be a jackass.
you speak of is too focused on that fat check tucked under his desk. He's getting paid regardless its just a pity he's lost a lot of respect as a businessman. Ar well, they now KNOW where there demographic were/are. At least MS tried to broaden their library even if it was at ps3 fans and SE's own shareholders expense.
I wonder if wada is the reason that their best composer and the former maker of FF series left to form a new studio.
Sakguchi left after he nearly destroyed the company(and funnily enough leaving left them worse off) and then they merged and Wada was made the President. No idea about Uematsu but he said he left when they moved the offices and he wasn't comfortable with the new location but that might not be true.
He said it was too far from where he lived if i remember correctly......
Uematsu still composes 4 SE, just not as much.
have been idiots this gen!!They havent even released a ps3 game yet and most of their fans are ps users!3 xbox 360 games!!just bcoz 360 is ahead doesnt mean games will sell better on it!and they should make for the wii(just one til now!!) too!!I dont know when FF XIII or Versus XIII Will be release but they sure seem to releasing near the end of this gen!SE=Fail this gen!
Your fans like Playstation and hate Xbox (for whatever reason). So Square makes a bunch of games for Xbox 360 and none for PS3. Apparently, they wanted their revenue and profit to fall. I could understand putting some games on Xbox, but I can't understand why they would put none on PS3. That is just stupid when you know your fans prefer Playstation.
Obviously Square-enix really have not done much at all this gen besides concentrating on the handhelds. Talk about a slow start on Next-gen HD consoles. A Square-enix team have developed, really one game and published a few. **PS3 Games This Gen*** Final fantasy xiii(tba) The last remnant(tba) **X360 Games This Gen*** Final fantasy xiii(tba) Star ocean: the last hope The last remnant Infinite undiscovery Final fantasy xi: wings of the goddess Final fantasy xi Arguably my Favorite Squaresoft-->Square-enix Generation games right below. Of course, a company called "ENIX" was also a great competitor to Squaresoft looking at the games. Especially "Terranigma" which was overshadowed, like many other JRPG franchises. ***SNES**** Super mario rpg : legend of the seven stars Secret of evermore Chrono trigger Final fantasy iii (final fantasy vi [japan]) Illusion of gaia Secret of mana The 7th saga E.V.O.: the search for eden Actraiser ii Soulblazer Breath of fire Final fantasy: mystic quest Final fantasy ii (final fantasy iv [japan]) Actraiser ****PSONE***** Final fantasy origins Dragon warrior vii Final fantasy chronicles Torneko: the last hope Final fantasy ix Parasite eve 2 Valkyrie profile Chrono cross Threads of fate Legend of mana Front mission 3 Saga frontier 2 Chocobos dungeon 2 Final fantasy anthology Final fantasy viii Chocobo racing Ehrgeiz Brave fencer musashi Bust-a-groove 2 Bushido blade 2 Xenogears Parasite eve Saga frontier Final fantasy tactics Final fantasy vii Bushido blade I think PS2 was Okay nothing great from Square-enix. My Favorite is Final Fantasy X. with the depart of thier greatest franchise creator "Hironobu Sakaguchi" and one of the best VG music composers "Nobuo Uematsu", things have never been the same. Well I'd say the vision in their games and direction. ********PS2********* Driving emotion type-s The bouncer Final fantasy x Kingdom hearts Grandia xtreme Robot alchemic drive Unlimited saga Final fantasy x-2 Drakengard Tetra master Final fantasy xi Front mission 4 Star ocean: till the end of time Final fantasy xi: chains of promathia Fullmetal alchemist & the broken angel Musashi: samurai legend Fullmetal alchemist 2: curse of the crimson elixir Radiata stories Romancing saga Dragon quest viii: journey of the cursed king Grandia iii Kingdom hearts ii Final fantasy xi treasures of aht urhgan Dirge of cerberus -final fantasy vii Valkyrie profile 2: silmeria Final fantasy xii Dawn of mana Final fantasy xi: wings of the goddess Kingdom hearts re:chain of memories
and out of all those games, how many actually have sold over 500, 000 copies? Thats right, a low percentage. The aaa titles usually only start after the first final fantasy for that generation.
CORE Final Fantasy games seemed to be of "utmost importance" while being developed, then other games start coming down the pipeline. So yea we'll see. It's way too early looking at Square's past. The only wild card here is now they are spreading love on DS/Wii/PSP/PS3/Xbox 360/PC/Mobile That's right, 8 platforms. How do you get Quality? Unless they have Huge teams. EDIT: Mage, well, since I do not know how big Square-enix is on the inside but once you start stretching yourself thin and out sourcing, I just do not think it's "A-Team" work. I'm sure some of the games are great but there have been lots of rehashes/spin-offs rather then fresh new titles. My beef is, we need some new fresh franchises at Square. Look at the history and there have been some great franchises that have not continued because all westerners buy is Final Fantasy.
What do you mean with the last bit Kewlkat? The games on the DS are mostly outsourced(for the coding and stuff, Se handles the stories and stuff) but they're pretty much all good. Even Chocobo Tales is fun and challenging. The PSP games have also been of a very high standard. The mobile titles are good for mobile games as well(FFIV: The After). In fact the only place they've been letting us down is on the home consoles(although I think the Wii has it a bit better with the Wiiware games). EDIT: Yes, they use it as an advertising tool(they always have, FF Legend for example) but I get what you mean look at how badly TWEWY did, 500,000 copies sold for one of the best RPGs ever(IMO). Luckily they're already planning a sequel.
Final Fantasy games have been the only ones that always seem to sell by the boatsload and as well, get top honors and scores.(It's a given) Look up the top JRPG's on the PS2 and the reviews and such and you'll see, Square-Enix games reigns supreme. though there are plenty other great JRPG franchises out there but they do not get the credit they deserve. Neither do they sell very well.( look at the numbers) It's sad but if franchises do not sell, you get no sequels. Regardless of how great one might think that particular game is. The game have to satisfy and sell. Some like to blame Square's downfall because they have put like 1 game(developed by square) on the 360 and published a couple. While these games are not performing as well, looking at history, not many JRPG's do. While square-enix, yes, could be making some money in Japan as their games sell well over there putting it on the PS3 early, the west is another story. I guess there is a lot more to it and looking at the history of Square games(which I posted) you can see a couple of trends.
SE's X360 experiment isn't paying off. Those are abysmal numbers. This is coming from a X360 owner who owns all the SE games on the system, btw. For their own sake, SE needs to get their act together, focus on quality instead of quantity/remakes and start publishing on the PS3.
Those are great numbers for mediocre jrpgs... most jrpgs sell about that many copies tops. I know star ocean 3 sold well, but its the only one in the series that has. And with further research, you will notice that the tales game on 360 sold just as well as the ps2 one... JRPGS usually sell poorly, its just the odd game that sells well for the most part... for example the tales game on gamecube sold very well (better than the one on ps2).
Well what I meant by "SE's experiment" was that they're trying to target more western gamers with their games. Infinite Undiscovery & Last Remnant are geared toward the west... or so I've read. SO4 is more of a traditional Action-RPG. All of it seems like a step backward. JRPGs have to change no doubt but not with gimmicks. They need solid story lines in addition to solid graphics - SO4 I'm looking at you!
I agree, but I think the most important things are 1. Gameplay 2. Atmosphere 3. Character Development/ good characters 4. story 5. soundtrack 6. graphics
Square-Enix used to offer near-epic titles, now most of their stuff is crap. It's no wonder why their profits have taken a serious hit. Ever since non-JRPG titles have been getting significantly better, ex. Oblivion, Mass Effect, Fallout3, the sales and general interest of JRPG's has been steadily slipping in th U.S. Japan is really the only country with strong interest left for that garbage they've been pumping out. The days of Chrono Trigger and good FF titles are long behind us. Disagree? Challenge my brute at, http://flash-74.mybrute.com Settle it in the ring.
Well fans will just have to wait and see if FF13 can fix the hole Square has dug themselves into, if and when the game ever arrives. The only thing that can truly save Square is if they do a FF7 release the sales figures alone will make enough profit for Square to survive 10 more years. Square buying Eidos does nothing just a waste of cash that was not spent well. Eidos will produce a few games and then vanish into the dark like many other companies EA baught out. If Square does not figure out what the hell they are doing this gen when the PS4 and Xbox720 come out they won't be around anymore and someone like EA will buy Square out.
Also don't forget Valkyria Chronicles is more of a srpg hybrid experiment. It didn't really had an audience when it first came out since most people were skeptical. I think the only ones who bought that came the first day were gamers looking for any PS3 rpg they can get their hands on... like me.
answer is full of win in here! ;D obviusly ALL on the xbox 360, Tales beat White Knight, and Valkyrie so bad ;DDDDDDDDDDD
Tales is a KNOWN IP Valkyria and WKC are NEW IP Secondly Tales was released all over the world already. WKC is ONLY in japan right now until the fall. And it already outsold Tales of Vesperia (a game that is already known AND sold worldwide) in Japan alone. So yeah those sale numbers will increase and surpass Vesperia even more once the game hits the states and Europe. And as for Valkyria, I hope you know it has outsold Tales of Vesperia too just like WKC did. In fact, even with that big install base the 360 has, Vesperia sold so poorly they were considering putting it out of print Why don't you add up all the media create, chart trak, and NPD numbers for yourself. Tales is 3rd in terms of sales. So where you get your nonsense is beyond me. And on a side note, sales don't make a good game. QUALITY does
dude....... can u look the difference over sarcasm and an own comment? geez.... obviusly is not what i typed, i was being sarcastic, -.-
All I have to say is instead of Sony waiting on Square ... Wheres a Legend of Dragoon 2? there would be big bucks on that game I would put 80 bucks down just to get it the first game on ps1 to this day is in my top 3 games
Dont forget Valkyria Chronicles has had a big big comeback in both Japan (with the Greatest Hits release and the anime on TV) and America (with a new discount and that big Gamestop offer). Last time I heard V.C. already sold more in Japan than any Square RPG in Japan.
hell no. i do plan on buying some 360 exclusives. square thought they could push the 360 and they were dead wrong. sony basically does not even give a [email protected] about square supporting the 360 because of the FF13 debacle. square's wada is a fool. now we have to wait longer for FF13 and versus because the 360 paid for an equal launch. sony has always been a company that does their "own thing", and does anyone remember when square almost went down and sony gave them some money? this is how square repays sony? KARMA IS A MOFO.
you are about as ignorant as that bear looks in your avatar...
*slaps forehead* dude... my comment up there is full of sarcasm -.- geez.... u people dont know when some1 is saying a sarcasm in here lol
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