Sony Yellow Lights of death hits

Sony has always been considered the reliable hardware brand when compared with Microsoft's offering, however this misconception has allowed the Playstation 3's hardware failings to fly under the radar somewhat. Namely the yellow lights of death. With the official PS3 forum and sites such as Kotaku and gamespot having posts regarding this and the possible link with the PSN Firmware update, Gameztraffic.com experiences its own yellow light trauma.

[Ratchet_Co]

Supposedly the older consoles are having problems. But this goes with all electronics, if millions of people have a certain electronic a number will fail. I don't think its THAT serious enough to call it a "misconception" though.

[saggyscrote]

Look at the source Kotaku, lol

Enough said

Take this with a pinch of salt

[Trollimite]

how far have we fallen. i cant believe i live in a world where this is considerd news.

i hope this changes soon.

[fishd]

Compare the size of this thread http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

with this one http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

;)

[prunchess]

I describe what happened with my PS3 and Sony this week. Luckily for me I had just bought my son his own 80 gig PS3 this week (no Backward compatibility or card readers, dang it) for his birthday. So I am not without a PS3 though I might not give it to him now. It all depends on how the repair goes.

EDIT - before my post winds up on another page I'll put it under this edit.

"The author just described what I went through with Sony only this week. This is absolutely not an uncommon problem. Sony technical help were no help at all and tried to sting me for a 160 euro for what is now an emerging design fault that mainly affects the 60 gig PS3 model. It happened a couple of hours after the latest firmware update.

I opted for a 2ND party console repair shop here based in Ireland. (Irish PS3 owners suffering this problem PM me and if the repair is successful I'll give you the shop number) The owner told me that he had seen a spike in 60 gig PS3 models that were turning off 'beep - red light followed by a brief yellow light and blinking red light'.

I had so many photos, mp3s and save files on my PS3 that I was willing to chance his repair rather than get a refurb for 160 euro.

Absolutely gutted by this hardware failure. I spent big money on my launch model 60 gig PS3 the day it released. I expected better from Sony.

Before any fellow PS3 owners claim that this is not common or that I am trolling, just check my previous posts on N4G and then do a search for YLOD on the PS3 forums in the EU and US official playstation site. You'll see my story is anything but unique. "

[IrishRepublicanArmy]

suddenly claim there imaginary ps3 got the rare ylod!!
some people ehh

[IrishRepublicanArmy]

the rrod is 205 pages long
the ylod is 22 pages long. lol

[Raz]

Sorry, I wasn't paying attention. I was too busy playing games on my launch PS3 that has been subject to little more than a few rare screen freezes (which rebooting fixes).

Which is more than I can say for the majority of 360s out there.

[Elimin8]

I have the 60GIG® "320" and must admit on Three occasions, updates 2.40 and 2.76 I have had and issues where the game either freezes, restarts or go off. I am however lucky though that all I had to do was turn the system off from the back then turn it on again. wish there was some way to detect what really causes it because first time i was playing burnout paradise after first 2.40 update second was trying to install 2.76 it quit and I had to start over third was killzone2. I think it is more than just the update.. but hey who knows... my Bro's own just kicked on him still works but doesn't read any disks he has the same as mine but he got his 3 weeks after i did. got mine from bestbuy his from circuit city. was playing Fifa online and he heard a noise then it crapped out well so he says.

[antt3]

So basically because this guy had a system failure, it's suddenly newsworthy? Sounds to me like he was mad and needed a sounding board for his anger.

This stuff happens. It's why there are extended warranties. Yeah, it sucks when you're the one who ends up with a bricked system, but it only happens to a mere fraction of consumers. So...get over it.

[prunchess]

Nice to see that there are other Irish Republicans on this site. :)

Back to console talk, I'm sure if I had bought a 360 I would be on my 5th or 6th by now but I bought a PS3 because I still have a launch model PS2 that my son uses. That's 9 years now and still going. 26 months is just not good enough for a console life span, whoever made it. Sony SHOULD have offered me a replacement free of cost. I do not believe that they are unaware of this problem.

[JoySticksFTW]

Sony must be doing something right. Their E3 line-up must be particularly impressive this year.

You guys know that we mostly see stuff like this during Sony's big game releases and announcements :)

[I did not murder him]

I remember reading over a year ago about Sony shipping a whole shipment of PS3's to some Asian country and a high percentage of them were faulty and Sony secretly handled the problem making sure the media wouldn't find out the story. It only made it to one media source and Sony had them remove the story after only a few hours.

Vacuuming has nothing to do with PS3's issues, the system software is unstable. The system errors and the inconsistent performance with system software and retail/DLC software is often.

What a hassle and a shame Sony will try to do this to people again making them pay so much money and will hide the problem until too many people make noise. I don't think showing Neogaf links matters.

Good lord its like 10 different people with 10 accounts each took my bubbles. I guess thats why Ghost of Sparta PM'ed me about my bubbles when he has never replied to me in the comment section.

[No Way]

What were you sayin? Sorry.. I was busy playing on my launch x360.
Not all x360s are broken. My PS3 is working just wonderful, too.
Some of you seem to.. forget(?), although you boast about it enough,
That the x360 has a year lead over the PS3. So if this does become a big problem,
We will start to hear about it more, soon enough. Although I hope this isn't the case.

[solidt12]

I own a 360 and a PS3. I been through 2 360's and I could not believe that my PS3 got the yellow light in Feb. It was a launch 20 gig PS3. The people at Sony were cool though. My PS3 wasn't under warranty anymore so I had to ship my broke PS3 in and pay 150 to get a new one which isn't all that bad. They told me a good preventative measure is to vacuum out the vents with an attachment every once in a while because its the dusk that get them hot. I did that and there was alot of dusk in that broke system so just take not and your launch system should be fine

Also make sure you do back ups regularly, that saved my butt.

[Anon1974]

It's just a guy's blog about his experience with a faulty PS3. I could right a blog that would curl your short hairs about my experiences with MS customer support and the time and money wasted there - but I wouldn't dream of posting it on here as a legitimate news article.

[spandexxking]

it probably happens due to over-heating from the dust that get built up in it. ive recently took apart my launch ps3 and cleaned it out. the dust builds up really bad on the fan and cooling blades and was causing the fans to ramp up. now my ps3 runs like a charm.

[prunchess]

My PS3 was vacuumed regularly. My wife is a compulsive cleaner so there was never much dust about my PS3. Due to the amount of wires around the back of my LCD TV she always hassled me to clean that area. So I can vouch that the PS3 was kept clean. I can't vouch for what the interior of it would look like (I'll ask the repair man).

From what I've been reading online this could be a problem with the adhesive used to attach the heat sinks to the cell. If so the re-application of this adhesive could sort out my PS3. FINGERS CROSSED.

[Jaces]

Yea I remember reading about that too over a year ago when it happened in some Asian country.

Pretty crazy.

/Sarcasm

[Immortal Kaim]

Seeing as I'm getting my PS3 within the next month or so, this isn't something I should worry about right? I'm sick to death of sending away my 360 (4 times), I couldn't stand any more faulty hardware.

It sounds like firmware updates 'may' cause problems, I guess it's best to wait a couple of days after they release an update, just incase.

btw, what type of warranty does the PS3 have?

[prunchess]

Wouldn't you know 'I did not murder him' would turn up on this thread. Your a troll that's why you have no bubbles. How many duplicate accounts have you run down to 1 bubble by now?

[IrishRepublicanArmy]

Tachyon_Nova has now got over 300 disagrees on his first comment on the uncharted 2 gameplay
video posted yesterday!! and over 1000 wen u add his other comments on that news post!!
a new n4g record i believe!!
http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

[evrfighter]

"It's just a guy's blog"

You have been @ the same n4g I've been at lately right?

Does it really surprise you, or did you just not really care since about 90% of news being submitted here lately has been pro ps3?

@ Irish above

Zomg! KEWL STORY BRO!!!!1111!1

[irish-leprecaun]

i hate the rare ylod

[IrishRepublicanArmy]

oh i wish i had more bubbles so i could talk to you guys forever..................

[CryWolf]

Sony PS3 yellow light of death is not a serious problem like M$ RROD plus ps3 system is more reliable then M$ 360 system, look at the facts I mean 90 or 95% of web sites are talking more about 360 RROD then they are talking about sony YLOD and thats like all most 1 or 2% or maybe 3% tops, who is more reliable company that tests there products in instead of releasing a mass up peace of hardware for gamers out early instead of thorough testing there system seriously.

[I did not murder him]

Yeah I made it up so I can increase the radical PS3 fan resentment.

I love it

/Sarcasm

[xbollox]

i have a launch 60GB PS3, I abuse it every single day, it folds@home at least 2 or 3 nights / week and I haven't had a single problem except 1 freeze-reboot playing uncharted: that's it!

Most of my friends now own PS3s and not a single has had the yellow light of bullsh!t. Now I know a lot of people including quite a few of these happy PS3 owners who have also owned 360s and only a hands full of them hasn't had at least 1 RROD and many of them have had several.

Good try:

the reality is you're 100x more likely to fail with a 360.
and if you take into account the XBL subscription, a PS3 is cheaper than a 360, period.

Moving on.

[neogeo]

it was a 20gig launch system, almost lasted 2 yrs. BUT LET ME BE CLEAR. I was mean to that poor system, dropped it twice, kept it in a closed non vented area, used it during a heat wave, never turned it off, let it collect tons of dust and drove it from california to delaware in the back of my car.

but it aéé turned out for the best. i gave it to my friend and he sent it to sony to get refereb, they sent him back the same system. so he got a ps3 for 150.

my other friend gave me a 40gig unit. it wont play ps2 but its way more quiet and my electric bill is like 25 less per month. still love ps3

[Squirtforce]

Out of the six people I know with ps3's, four of them have had to be sent back, including my own. I just got the YLOD on my 60GB launch model a week ago, so I tried the reflow fix, and when it failed after two days I had to send mine in to Sony. Of course it's out of warranty, so I get to pay the 150 bucks. Its been said before, but it seems like PS3's have a similar issue as the Xbox, but it takes a bit more time for it to finally happen.
Also, I babied my PS3, kept it in a very well ventilated space as well as keeping it dust free and vacuumed every few weeks. Quite a bummer, but hopefully I get it back before inFamous.

[asdlfkj3498as]

month after launch (dec. 15, 2006) and mines never giving me anything wrong except an occasional freeze but thats rare unlike this fall BS, so say what you want about the faulty hardware from launch ps3's but the truth is, is that they didn't fail a week after launch like the 360's and never had a 33% chance failure so why make this into a big deal when every piece of hardware has a chance of failing, nothing is perfect

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

"1.27 - @Jaces"
"Yeah I made it up so I can increase the radical PS3 fan resentment. "

"I love it "

"/Sarcasm "

So why don't you prove it instead? Your credibility is null, so you do have to prove it. If you weren't a 14 year old fanboy, that would be another story.

[I did not murder him]

You have to pull it out of your arse and read the comment.

[menoyou]

More sensational wording to attract hits indeed

[lokiroo420]

hahahhahahahahahaha forum posts!

[Traveler]

All electronics devices have a certain percentage that fail.

The only thing I know for sure is that my 360 has died on me three times, while my PS3 has never had a problem. Also, it seems like half the people I know with 360s have had it fail on them at one point. I think it is obvious that the the 360s RROD problems are on another whole level compared to other consoles.

[harrisk954]

Bottom line is that Sony has never denied that there is about a 3 percent failure rate on PS3s (and on Wiis for that matter). That is a far cry from the systemic problems that continue to occur on the 360. As we know reports for 360 failures is anywhere from 30 to 40 percent. Anytime there is a mass produced product, be it technology, automobiles or food, there is a certain amount of failures that will occur. Considering that there have been more than 22 million PS3s sold worldwide, the failure rate of 3 percent is statistically negligible (as is the Wii failure rate), as opposed to the 360.

[RememberThe357]

And they all happen it week ago...

/sarcasm

[JHUX]

It would not be the first thing you made up to try and bash the ps3.
For the rare cases that your ps3 does break down, it does suck I have felt your pain :( haha. Had an 80gb with BC die on me, but Sony shipped me the box and had it back with in about a week, same model so I got to keep my BC :) I would argue to the death if they tried to charge me the $150 fee for out of warranty repair, even though in a lot of cases it won't get you anywhere, you may get a nice surprise.

[VaNdAl]

The Fall of a Colossus

[Jaces]

Glad your admitting it.

And for the record I did notice you were being sarcastic but I find you to funny to take seriously.

[phosphor112]

Happens on launch consoles mostly. You SHOULD get your own PS3 back, my friend had a 60 gig..thats what he got back. Also, if it shats on you. Pull out the HDD, get a 10-20 USD external case, transfer the data over to your PC. You should be fine.

[I love video games]

i got my ps3 a month after it came out, i played it alot, almost everyday. it broke this past jan. yellllllow light of death, i also had a ps1 and ps2 that i played the hell out of and the still work (except the ps1 because my bro spilled pop in it)

[commodore64]

hmmmm.....

Well on the one hand you can buy a ps3 and expect it to be more reliable.

On the other hand, if you are of the unlucky few ps3 owners that DOES get the YLOD, then goodbye $200.

Kinda makes one wish for a 3 year warranty, huh?

*ducks*

[Highatus]

*In Response to Vandal's posted vid 'The Fall of a Colossus'*

For the love of god people... DO NOT USED COMPRESSED AIR TO CLEAN ELECTRONICS, especially ones that have some sort of optical device inside of it.

Air compressors trap moisture inside the tanks and you'll be spraying water as well as spreading the dust (and assuring cling from the water)to the entire internal components of the device.

Use a Vacuum... that is the only true way to 'remove' the dust.

[Pika-pie]

"Playstation 3s hardware failings fly under the radar"

Yeah, because their failure rate is not 1 in 3

[SeNiLe911]

I just talked with a friend tonight that his PS3 a few weeks ago was not reading his disks anymore and come to find out from him it's the laser and that there are tons having this problem from what he has read on the net. He sent it off to get fixed for $100 from some guy advertising on the web. Not covered under warranty anymore, a 2007 model.

[uie4rhig]

but it's very very very VERY rare (it's within industry standards and if im correct, industry standards is less then 1%)
electronic products always have a certain percentage that fails.. my ps3 died with YLOD, but sony replaced my original 60GB UK launch PS3 for free and without any problems OUTSIDE the one year warranty period..

just thought i'd give a headsup

greeetzz

[cherrypie]

The PS2 was horribly unreliable, everyone knows this. PS2 has DRE. PS3 has Yellow Lights of Death (YLOD).

It has simply taken some time for the install base and time-in-market for the PS3's Yellow Lights of Death (YLOD) problem to manifest itself.

PS3's YLOD isnt new or a suprise frankly.

[chelcho]

Does any one want to buy my YLOD-ed 60GB EU console? Console broke out 2 weeks ago after 25 months and I have no warranty. None can fix it. I bought 80GB model, but had lost all my saves and 400 euro. I really feel f***ed by sony.
My another problem is freezing on-line KZ2. I didn't have this problem with Warhawk and Resistance2. Any one can help me with this issue?

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Spin it, you guys are good at it.

[SaiyanFury]

I updated both of my PS3s to the new firmware and I've not had a problem. I hope those that have the problem can resolve it.

[LiquifiedArt]

I've upgraded it to 160gig (99$) and never had a problem. I keep the machine well ventilated and blow the dust out of it every couple weeks. I heard many of these problems really comes down to a sector of the HDD becoming corrupted. If you format your HDD and or Clean the blu-ray laser (using cleaning Disks) it will most likely fix these problems.

[stunt213]

it happens to me on thursday too, now my ps3 got teh yellow light of deaths. I was fairly dissapointed since i been a true sony fan since ps 1

[pain777pas]

Probably true but rare.

[prunchess]

WTF HAS ANY OF THE ABOVE POSTS ABOUT THE 360 GOT TO DO WITH THIS THREAD? THIS IS NOT JUST A "PRE-E3 BAD NEWS STORY AOBOUT THE PS3"

There are (were) two PS3's in my house. I have more Sony gear at home than most of the idiots posting here and that are constantly referring to the 360 and the RROD.

LET ME SPELL IT OUT TO YOU FOOLS. THIS IS A LEGITIMATE CONCERN FOR ANY PS3 OWNER. SONY SHOULD REPLACE ANY PS3 THAT SUFFERS THIS HARDWARE FAILURE - END OF STORY.

ARE YOU THAT BLIND TO THE FACT THAT SHOULD THIS HAPPEN TO YOU THAT IT WILL COST YOU AN ADDITIONAL 160 EURO OR 150 DOLLARS OR 145 POUNDS? I ADVISE ANY PS3 OWNER TO CONTACT SONY IMMEDIATELY IF THIS HAS HAPPENDED TO THEIR PS3.

EVEN IF YOU GET NOWHERE WITH SONY YOU ARE ENSURING THAT THEY WILL DOUBLE CHECK THEIR CONSOLES BEFORE SELLING THEM TO YOU! OR WE WILL ALL END UP PURCHASING AGAIN, A CONSOLE THAT WILL GO FAULTY WELL BEFORE ITS TIME IN THE FUTURE.

IF ANY OF YOU WANT TO B!TCH ABOUT MS AND THE 360 - GO F*CK OFF AND DO IT ON SOME OTHER THREAD.

[syanara]

does anyone have the actual failure rates of each console?

cause when xbox 360 started out i know it was 33.3%

and when the PS3 started out it was 0.02%

what are they now i wonder? cause if you think about it 0.02% of ps3's failing would equal roughly 4447 consoles failed over the PS3's lifetime.

I know 2 of those people so is it just me or the odds of me knowing 2 out of the 4447 people in the world who have gotten a YLOD seem kinda bad??

thats why i would be intrested to know the failure rates

[matarchy]

Does no body remember the troubles with the ps2. I went through 4. It would not surprise me if the ps3 ends up having issues too.

[JokesOnYou]

33% 360 fail rate is BS...I've never seen any research for that figure= pure speculation, guess, random quote from some sony fan, taken as fact on n4g

The only real attempted research I've seen was from a company called Squared Trade which put 360 initial fail rate at 16.4%
http://www.joystiq.com/2008...
As noted in the article even this figure is likely to be skewed because these are likely high usage gamers who sought out a warranty. Aslo if you research a bit there are reports of it being less than 10% currently but really most of what I read wasn't solid research, just a variety of speculation.

"However, as an industry, consumer electronic failure rates over 3 years commonly exceed 15 percent. Like others, we have read the failure rate for Xbox is 30 percent or higher. We haven't seen that yet, but it is clearly plausible that this 16 percent failure rate we see will increase with claims over time." -Squared Trade CEO Steve Abernethy
http://arstechnica.com/gami...

-So according to Square Trade there is no evidence to suggest anything close to 30%.

-So far there hasn't been any real research done on ps3's YLOD percentage. I guess thats why based on the growing complaints he suggest its "flying under the radar" so to speak.

JOY

[DrJones]

This is all just so whiney. 0,01% failure rate?
Like I care

[Nineball2112]

How about this link JOY? Just did a google and there it was....

http://www.gamedaily.com/ar...

[LoVeRSaMa]

1) When the Sky turns Red and the planets align.
2) When the moon turns blue.
3) When hell has a climate disaster and frezes over.

If you see hints of any of these problems, please constact Sony customer support on 666-666-666.

[=

[Marceles]

lol @ Kotaku...of course

[pippoppow]

What a surprise huh. They have to try and sling some mud before E3 because they know Sony is going to have an awesome E3 showing.

[MGOelite]

how is this news lol have you seen the site its coming from

[Last Likely Lad]

And why does that matter if the guy has had this happen to is console does it matter who he is or what his site is?

[MGOelite]

u not noticed that you dont see sites like IGN or GT saying out about RROD or YLOD both are so over exsagerated

[cronaldo7]

IGN made a video about RRoD

[Snake Raiser]

Well i'm not surprised. Even if a million PS3's broke it would still only be a failure rate of about 5%. So DUH your going to find hundreds of people complaining.
So how many 360's would have to break for the failure rate to be 30%?

[Last Likely Lad]

typical fanboy comment.

[Snake Raiser]

Me, or someone else?

[PopEmUp]

um.. such as yourself right?

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

...if they had a Problem with their PS3 or another Electrical item would just phone up the Company who made it and get it Fixed??? NOT go on the internet like a Little CRYBABY B!TCH!!! ;-D and MOAN about it!!! :-/

If something goes wrong er erm get it Fixed!!! STUP!D internet PEOPLE!!!;)

[GiantEnemyCrab]

First off, the story is not a duplicate because the links you provide go to a fix and not this same story. Just because the person who wrote this article and also wrote that fix doesn't make them the same.

Second, it's not old. He mentions Zen Pinball that just came out this week and to me it sounds like his Heat Gun trick was a temporary fix and it has now failed again. This happens with the 360's as well, you can do a heat treatment on the GPU but it still fails again after some time.

Personally, I've never had a problem with my PS3 beyond it freezing at the Sony logo at the beginning not consistently. I've had a 360 RROD on me however but it was fixed hassle free with no cost and I didn't lose anything.

I'm surprised Sony doesn't have a way to transfer game saves if your system has problems. I do not like that one bit. Hopefully I never had any serious issues.

EDIT: Ah, the author submitted. Was I right on my assumption? Did the heat gun trick fail?

[Mr Fancy Pants]

eeeehhhhh what? Jut take out the HDD and insert it in another PS3...

Anyway, I got the YLOD not too long ago but now I am waiting for the rumored slim PS3 to come out. I am not going to pay to fix something that sooner or later it is going to break again... If the slim breaks too then I'm not buying another Sony console ever!

How is that I still have my Sega Mater, GBA, Nes, Snes, Dreamcast, N64, GameCube, Virtual Boy, Genesis, GameGear all of them working well and every console I have had from Sony have broke at least twice.

Now come and disagree all you want and take my bubbles for saying the true but Sony does not equals quality. Their TV's are the best but they have the lowest life span of all. The same with their car radios, stereos, DVD players and all their products in general. I'm not joking or trolling, if you see my history of comments you'll see that I am in the borderline of being a Sony fanboy. I like Sony because they are the ones that have the most DEVS and their consoles always have the games that interest me the most. A console is just a way to play the games, a piece of plastic.

But there aren't any electronic product in the history of mankind as faulty as the X360. F-A-C-T. =)

[Shuya]

Back up your game data to an external hardrive people, better safe than sorry.

That said perhaps people aren't aware that this is even possible or are just not tech savy enough to care.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

So you send your PS3 back to Sony for repair without the HDD?

I've never been through it so I'm going by the author:

"this problem only gets worse, by the fact that you cant just transfer your old hard drive, meaning all the game saves you had vanish without a trace. Far cry 2, Fallout 3, Little big Planet levels, Fifa leagues, the list goes on and on all mercilessly wiped from existence by the hands of the cruel yellow light."

I'm assuming you can't send your PS3 in without the HDD and the machine you get back from them isn't necessarily the machine you sent in.

I don't make it a habit to back up my game saves every time I play a game. That's a bit of a pain because you never know when the machine could go. But it sounds like there are options if you are proactive.

[crck]

You can just transfer your save games to a thumb drive. Or if you have a portable harddrive formatted in FAT you can back up EVERYTHING on your ps3. This guy is complaining because he didn't have the forethought or was too lazy to back up anything and now blames Sony.

@3.1 Personally I've never had a system break down, Sony or otherwise in my 20 years of gaming besides the 360(twice). This spans about 20+ years of gaming and 20+ different systems. From the Atari 2600 to all three current gen systems. This is why I tend to believe the 360 failure rate is awful.

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

Find an USB extension that allows you insert memory sticks. That should work.

[IrishRepublicanArmy]

for dinner lol

[GiantEnemyCrab]

MAiKU: What is so bad about asking the questions? If your PS3 dies there is no chance to back up your data. I put a 250 gig in my PS3 and I save all my crap there and I never took it seriously to backup my game saves to an external device but this is a good reminder. Also, I come from the Xbox school where you can't just throw game saves on an external device and they will work with just any console.

Unless your proactive with backing up your saves not much you can do besides pull the drive if your PS3 give you the YLOD.

Please, oh wise one, tell me the error of my ways. Or just continue adding nothing to the conversation beyond being an ahole.

@DRUDOG: Droppin knowledge! Very nice. I totally forgot about the forced format when you move HDD's.

[DRUDOG]

Hey "Fancy Pants", I wouldn't do that with your HD. The second you stick it another PS3 it will want to format it since it doesn't recognize it as the original HD. Trust me, I just got my PS3 back from YLOD (great service from Sony BTW) and had luckily just backed up the hard drive because of swapping out to a bigger 100Gb (original was a launch 60Gb). The second I swapped out the HD that came back from Sony it wanted to format the 100Gb that I was using previously.

@ Crab, you will have to send it in with a HD, whether it's the original or not will only matter if they send you back the exact same machine (see my comment above), otherwise you will have to format it no matter what.

PM me if anyone wants to know exactly how to request repair for a YLOD. I just went through it and it was easy; had a game stuck in it and everything. Also, they sent me back a backwards compatible 60Gb unit (which was my biggest fear not getting a 60Gb unit in return).

[LiquifiedArt]

There is a BACKUP utility on the ps3. It is under system settings. Use an external HDD and everything on your PS3 will be backed-up. Movies, Music, Game Data, Game saves etc...

I did this to upgrade to my 160gig and it worked flawlessly. Problem is when you want to upgrade you need to buy an external to hold your backup data, but having an extra external is useful regardless. :)

~LiquifiedArt

[Mr Fancy Pants]

Then my bad sorry, I thought that you could simply remove the HDD considering it was already formatted with the PS3 fat32 and use it in another PS3. But you can always use a flash drive to save the game save files at least.

Other people already said that you can do a back-up of everything in an external HDD too.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

From what I hear, some save games can't be backed up. It is tied to the system, so it won't work with the new system you get replaced with.

[2 cents]

i`m yet to meet some1 who has suffered from it. I can`t say the same for the rrod where me and all my friends had experienced it. I`m sure ylod is out there, i`m not denying it, but is nowhere near the scale of the rrod.

[cliffbo]

every product has some problems, but 33% is not acceptable

[killa91606]

I just got the Yellow Light Of death 2 days Ago man,Anybody Know How to fix it WITHOUT OPENINING the ps3 or SENDING it to sony?

[Parapraxis]

Send it to Sony.

[prunchess]

The author just described what I went through with Sony only this week. This is absolutely not an uncommon problem. Sony technical help were no help at all and tried to sting me for a 160 euro for what is now an emerging design fault that mainly affects the 60 gig PS3 model. It happened a couple of hours after the latest firmware update.

I opted for a 2ND party console repair shop here based in Ireland. (Irish PS3 owners suffering this problem PM me and if the repair is successful I'll give you the shop number) The owner told me that he had seen a spike in 60 gig PS3 models that were turning off 'beep - red light followed by a brief yellow light and blinking red light'.

I had so many photos, mp3s and save files on my PS3 that I was willing to chance his repair rather than get a refurb for 160 euro.

Absolutely gutted by this hardware failure. I spent big money on my launch model 60 gig PS3 the day it released. I expected better from Sony.

Before any fellow PS3 owners claim that this is not common or that I am trolling, just check my previous posts on N4G and then do a search for YLOD on the PS3 forums in the EU and US official playstation site. You'll see my story is anything but unique.

[pippoppow]

Yes you and about a million other PS3 users which sucks but is within 3-5% failure rate acceptable industry standard. Seems like some people are trying too hard. Recommend waiting for some reliable sources with known factual numbers to back up any claims.

[SprSynJn]

To me it sounds as though the majority of those failing 360's are because of a hardware issue; while the PS3s that are failing seem to be due to misuse on the owner's part. I have had my PS3 freeze on me numerous times, but holding down the front power button to shut it down always fixes the issue. I have only shut it down twice via the manual switch in the back in the year and a half I have had my 60GB model.

[DevastationEve]

expose any console to you peoples' troll dungeons of sock sweat and cheetos and see which one lasts.

honestly, that's why i have my entertainment center in a more temperate (if not more sociable) location: the living room!

and turn the air on, jeez!

[guesty81]

In my article i refer to kotaku as the problem was reported way back with firmware 2.40 (not by myself i might add) i used it to reference that the problem had been around for a while, yet in comparison to xbox its relatively unkown.

now we're on verision 2.76 of firmware I think and the report looks at what happened. Not duplicating any other stories at all, I'm glad to say.

[Real Gambler]

YOU post about the fact that your PS3 stopped working somewhere, then you come to NEWS 4 GAMERS to summit this as a news article???

Where's the NEWS??? This is NEWS for GAMERS!!! Typical failure rate of any electronic product is about 3% per year. Based on so many millions consoles sold, that mean that 360000 PS3s likely died the first year, and about the same this year. That's only 3% failure rate!!! Aren't we lucky that all 700000 people who had a problem with their PS3s didn't post it somewhere, then summited here as a NEWS article? N4G would crash.

I'm sorry my friend, but your PS3 didn't brick because of a firmware update, but more likely from a component failure or bad solder. You're just one one the unlucky 3% Could be worse, some other products have a failure rate around %30... But trust me, your VCR, your TV, your PVR, your DVD player all have a 3% failure rate. I hope that if your TV break, you won't come back here, on NEWS 4 GAMERS, to let us know that it did fail!

[Lucreto]

Where is the news? This is a blog it should be in the blog section.

[Tony P]

@Real Gambeler

I don't know about you, but I actually appreciate some kind of heads up on how my console could fail. Media reporting was a pretty important element in determining how widespread RROD had become so what's the difference now?

Why don't you go ahead and type YLOD into Google and look through the threads about dealing with the problem? It's not restricted to three or four people. So it could be you or I one day. More info about this possible problem is good for consumers.

Check this list out, it's on the official Playstation boards:

http://boardsus.playstation...

This isn't some attempt to slander Sony, it's real concern about a real issue.

[prunchess]

@guesty81 - I appreciate your blog post, as someone that has suffered this problem. bubbles for ya.

@Tony P - bubbles for the common sense shown.

[aldesko]

"I don't know about you, but I actually appreciate some kind of heads up on how my console could fail."

"Why don't you go ahead and type YLOD into Google and look through the threads about dealing with the problem?"

Maybe take your own advice? If you want to know how to prevent YLOD, you can google it. YLOD is nothing new, therefore this shouldn't have been submitted.

There's nothing wrong with this blog post, but it isn't news.

[Tony P]

@aldesko: And yet we get RROD reports moreso every time a Tom, D*ck, or Harriet suffers it. I appreciate those as well because they help gauge the problem and encourage others to speak out. Consumers shouldn't be shut up because their problem isn't new. If RROD has taught us anything at all it's that customers should be as vocal as possible.

That is btw, not saying the problem is equivalent in SCOPE to RROD. I do not believe it is.

Also, I took my own advice, which is why I suggested it in the first place. The link I posted to the official PS boards have another YLOD reported as recently as May 14th. I think that's pretty new.

@prunchess: Thanks. I hope at least some people realise how silly it is to play deflector for Sony or MS just because their console isn't broken.

[butterfinger]

"however this misconception"

It's hard to take you seriously when you type down BS. The FACT that the PS3 is more reliable than the 360 is NOT a MISCONCEPTION. ALL consumer electronics have problems, so this is nothing new. The quality of the article is pathetic with common errors such as "Lights" in the title which should be "Light", and not capitalizing "death", "hits", or "gamespot". It's really sad that things that shouldn't even get approved in our blog section are approved by fan children on the main site. If you need hits, first go to a writing and rhetoric workshop.

[Real Gambler]

Hey, read what I said! I didn't try to hide the problem! I'm the one saying at least 300000 PS3 died the first year! That's 3% failure rate, and it NORMAL. Nobody is trying to hide that PS3s are dying. If they would not, it would be unbelievable!!!

I just said that posting it on his own website, then right away posting it on N4G to get some hits on his web site was BAD.

I said if 700000 people would post on N4G that their PS3 died, it would crash this website. But sadly, it would not bring any solutions. It would not trigger a lawsuit becaus it's the standard in the industry.

Now, if those 700000 failures are all Yellow light, then, sure enough, Sony has a big problem... But so far, what we are seeing is power supply failure, bluray drive failure, Yellow light (which could be a lot of things)failure. Still nothing to get overly excited about YET. Sure enough, 1 more Yellow Light is not NEWSWORTHY yet. It's still TYPICAL. Only time will tell us how bad it is.

[Tony P]

Sorry, I wasn't try to point a finger at you specifically.

Does everyone have to post about their broken console? No. And only a minority will make blog posts like with the RROD situation. Not every one will be right on about YLOD and some will downright lie. I'm sure not every single RROD report was accurate. But for better or worse the media exposure often leads to answers.

[MetalGearBear]

He or She don't know how care on PS3.
Maybe he or she forget clean dust on PS3.

[red2tango]

Not necessarily. I take good care of mine, but my friend's is really dusty because he doesn't clean his room but it works fine.

[CSM-101e]

i vacuum mine every week, to prevent "dust-bunny-hutch" syndrome.

[Voozi]

Funny, I cared for my PS3, dusted it everyday, etc, mine was a 60gb bought January 2007, and I got the YLOD as well. Had to pay $150 to get it fixed and still waiting on Sony to ship me back a refurbished. So please don't use the "oh people who don't care for their ps3 get the ylod" cause that's just plain ignorant and bogus.

Oh well, bummed I'm going to have to redownload all my PSN games now, but at least I backed up all my saves (cept SFIV & KZ2 those couldnt backup due to something stupid...) but oh wells ;_;

Hope it doesn't happen to me again

[The_Devil_Hunter]

I just got this like two days after Christmas, I even had my copy of Fallout inside, I had to send to Sony and was forced to stare at my new christmas games for like a week and a half, the wait wasnt bad but I just hope this doesnt happened to me again or anyone for that matter. Thing is I dont play as much anymore since I got the YLoD, i used to play it almost everyday, and now I'll go two weeks without touching it just to prevent anything from happening.

[mijkil]

Ive allready had 2 YLD and SONY has so far refused to give me replacement models. Hopefully with the increased occurance of this hardware fault, SONY will eventually be forced to accept its responsibility like MS did with RROD

[red2tango]

I highly doubt it happened twice, if it did, you are the unluckiest person to ever own a ps3...

[butterfinger]

One look at your comment history makes it extremely hard to take you seriously. You are the author of such classics as "MGS4's story is embarrasing, but I can't wait to play it on my XBOX360 with improved graphics. I'm sure XBOX360 owners won't mind losing the 7.1 audio that most PS3 owners can't take advantage of anyway" and "Resistance1 was the most vanilla shooter I've ever played". You are nothing more than a sad excuse for a troll. You should've stayed away.

[maverick1191]

big deal if my ps3 YLOD'd i wouldnt tell the world about it by making a article just because its on a gaming website its classed as news deal with it dont right a article on it ring sony and they sort you out simple as no need to go hey look at me my ps3 dead look please look i want hits

[YeOldeGamer]

...it was PERFECTLY FINE when PS3 fanboys scoured the internet, and posted EVERY SINGLE story/blog/forum post relating to the 360 RROD. Curious that. :o

[jack who]

so what happens when your 600$ console dies?

[GiantEnemyCrab]

It becomes an $800 console after you drop $200 to Sony for the repair.

[jack who]

bomber!!

[colossi16]

I've had the ylod, but it is forgivable since I kinda treat it like crap, leaving it on all the time. Just trying to cure cancer here.

[twoheadedturtle]

My 60 gig launch ps3 got the YLOD. It definitley is a hardware issue(I treated mine very well), because it doesn't seem to happen in the new versions(however that might be because they haven't been used as much).

[cronaldo7]

Every product gets faults, but it's just what percentage of that product that counts. We have heard around 1% of PS3's have problems and why shouldn't they, but this is nothing compared to the well known and joked about world-wide RROD.

[olLANDSHARKlo]

1 ps3 dead. 2 360's still going strong.

[CoxMulder]

This article really gets the 360 fanboys out of the woodwork..

@ Why Dis
LMAO at your comment-history. Sad, sad clown...

[ikkeweer]

and I will kick my playstation out if i get the ylod more then once within 24 months. Just as I would every other hardware I have.
Everything breaks some time, so I have my personal 2 year rule, which my ASUS labtop failed btw.

If anyone is curious in how far you can throw a labtop, I think I saved that video somewhere.

[PotNoodle]

labtop?

[ikkeweer]

sorry, hadda google it, labtop is the dutch spelling (don't ask me why)

[CoxMulder]

Please, stay in school... :P

Maar goed om een nederlander te zien die niet van 'Xboxkings' komt..

[colossi16]

The ps3 is a well built machine, mine died because I leave it on all night for folding at home. I just have to be more careful with the new one.

[fishd]

you have such a beautifull name and avatar
Have a bubble

[Chubear]

Your console didn't malfunction cause of leaving on folding @ home over night. I have left my PS3 on for btw 3-5 days folding while I'm out of town - about 5 times last year and twice this year already.

Your console malfunctioned cause it's an electronic system and they tend to not be perfect machines.

[Sibs]

Yea, I got a hole in my sock the other day. The socks I wear seem to have a pretty high failure rate...

Come on, I'm sick of all this "mine broke, so therefore everybody in the world must know and theirs must break as well to make me feel better" syndrome...

[ReBurn]

That's not as bad as "Mine never broke, so all of you claiming that your (imaginary) system broke must be lying."

[paskowitz]

I have a 60gb launch console and have had no problems at all. In fact the latest firmwares have only made my system faster (things load quicker). I hope everybody realizes that the PS3 has a 1-2% failure rate. Thats amazing for a piece of tech thats that complicated. Also Sony WILL transfer your data (well at least Sony USA). I asked them and they said they would do it, so I guess in Europe they won't. Also if you bought your PS3 with a Gold or above AMEX card your warranty is doubled to two years.

Another help piece of advise... if your system is having problems Sony (again USA) is now taking systems to examine and will charge according to what the problem is. For instance my friends HDD broke, Sony replaced it and transferred his data for free. But if it was a say an issue with the GPU or CPU they would charge the $150. A broken fan gets fixed for free. Etc. So if your PS3 has a problem be strong with the Sony CS and chances are they will be nice and fix your problem wit the least amount of hassle.

[deshon09]

here my 60 gig ps3 is very well taken care of never had a problem with it

i think most of the ones that are having problems are for 06
mine was made in jan of 07

[The_Devil_Hunter]

So was mine, January 2007, ahhh it remmids me of a simpler time.

[TheMART]

Yes overall this is whats happening:

20 & 60GB launch PS3's --> YLOD
cheaper 40GB and on PS3's, cost cut on quality of parts used --> fast dead BluRay diodes

I've experienced a BluRay diode dying after just 3 weeks. A friend of mine after 3 days.

Sony in Europe tries to let you pay 200 Euro after 1 year of warranty, while Microsoft gives you 3 years warranty.

And Sony even manages to send you back someone elses refurbished PS3 for 200 Euro, half the price of a new PS3 just after 1 year!!!

Knowledge is power though: EU law forces them to give 2 years. And from recent cases on consumer law, judges said that a device should be up and running for its expected life time (for example washing machine 7 to 8 years at least, if not you can held the producer responsible) at least I know overhere in The Netherlands.

A console in my view should for sure last 4 to 5 years, thus if anything breaks down within two years I'll be safe although first fighting Sony with its paying 200 Euro policy. After that it'll be a harder fight.

One thing is for sure. That 1% failure rate on the PS3 is nonsense. They just managed to stay under the radar.

EDIT

At the dude below

Go search the forums. And go search other stuff. Like there was a TV consumer program overhere on national TV and there were a lot of consumers complaining with exactly the stuff I type here.

Don't try to twist eveerything good in Sony lalaland

[digger18]

Damn, you just love to b!tch all the bloody time about the PS3.

Well I live in the UK and my sons 60gig Launch PS3 stopped playing Blu-Rays three weeks ago. He phoned up Sony, told them his problem, they said no worries and sent out another 60gig PS3. All he had to do was to give the broken PS3 to the courier at the same time as he delivered the new one.

Guess what? It didn't cost ANYTHING!!! Sony did it for free, as a "good will gesture" as they called it.

Oh, he phoned them on a Thursday afternoon and got the replacement Monday morning.

So stop trying to make Sony look bad all the time.

[ultimolu]

The problem isn't as bad as you're making it out to be Mart. Seriously, are you kidding me?

[trancefreak]

Mart your the biggest dumbass Ive ever witnessed on the internet.

[FFXI101]

You know when it comes to failure rate, M$ is on the top of that list.

They gave away 3 years warranty because they have no choice. Can you image if they don't, what the fans would say about it? M$ would lose all the business and their fans would jump to Sony's ship.

[theKiller]

even if there is a million dead PS3 that doesnt even come close to 66% failure rate the 360 has!!! so dont get excited yet!!

beside do us all a favor and never buy a ps3!! no body wants to play with u on the FREE and LAG free servers!!!!

just make sure u pray to God/MS/ur parents that ur 360 doesnt die when u open it for playing gears of war 2 LOOOOOOOOOL, u got no games toplay i see!!!

[LA-Z-BOY-_-]

any simple u like xbox i know sony is owning out 360 so just chill dude microsoft should had saved 50 million for lost and damed lol gta5 on ps3 exclusive lol any way the truth is u love xbot 360 but u dream of owning a ps3 lol silly boy grow up lmao

[I_am_rushin]

Dude, Mart STFU the 3 year warranty does not cover the new E74 error and you know that bloody well!

[cryymoar]

you're such a f*cking troll and an xbot.

I WORK at a video game retailer, i SEE first hand how many defective units come in, and i'm telling you, a defective PS3 is RARE!
on a bad month (good for you, since you're such a hater), one per month. New OR used.

Wish the same could be said about the xb360. sadly, i see people who fork up $200+ for a "next gen" video game console and end up coming back 2, 3, even 4 times to switch out their RRoD xb360!! And it's sad! Should a person who worked hard to earn that much money have to go through that much crap! And that's such a frequent occurrence. A few times in one month we get a person coming to return his defective xb360 for another (since it's covered under a default 30 day warranty). That's 2 consoles for one customer.

And lets say that this happens once a month at each Gamestop store, that's 12,000 xb360's a month sold due to a defective unit.
And remember when the failure rate was worse a few months back? We were looking at about 18,000 to 24,000 xb360 units "sold" just to cover the actual number, 6,000.

And you think every unit "sold" by Microsoft is for each new customer.
Anyone with half of a brain can tell you that a significant portion of Microsoft's "officially sold (or shipped)" units are for repeat customers due to defective swap outs.

[tawak]

this guy doesnt have a ps3 and does anyone he know
pretty much just base on ideology of fanboyism
that is willing to be s suicide bomber for 360

[Counter_ACT]

Uh, they should have backed up their data before sending it off. There's an option for it, that's their own stupid fault for losing all their saves.

[siyrobbo]

but if you cant turn it on, how do you back it up? are they readable on a normal pc?

[Aclay]

The only thing I've heard about the YLOD is that "supposedly" the older models experienced it, and I've got a Launch 60 Gig and I've had it since Dec. 2006 with no issues whatsoever.

Honestly I think that PS3 YLOD articles are just laughable because the PS3's hardware failure rate isn't high enough for this to even be considered a serious issue like RROD, Disc Scratching and E74 Errors from the 360 that have been on a Mass Scale.

No Product is going to be 100% reliable, but the PS3 is a heck of a lot more reliable than any 360.... if it was the PS3 that had a 33% failure rate, there's no way in hell Sony would have gotten away with it like M$ did.

[Create]

People need to understand that video game systems aren't Nintendo 64's anymore, you cant put them inside small corners, inside a DVD player sized compartment, or inches away from any sort of wall. Both systems should be kept out in the open, like any high performance computer. Vertical standing is never the way to go for either system, it has been proven that systems overheat faster when they are vertical, keep them horizontal.

They really need to include some sort of idiot proof guide with systems these days on how to care for a hot running electrical device.
I dont even own a desktop fast enough to run WOW and even I know these simple things.
By the way, that article is extremely annoying, i almost stopped after the first sentence, who the hell says thrice?

[Johnny Cullen]

I got the YLOD on my launch PS3 :(

It's been sent to Sony to get it repaired.

[ikkeweer]

i feel there's a story in there somewhere, I just missed the punchline somehow

[Javier19]

I know 3 guys who's PS3's have had this happen

one of them 3 has had it happen to him 3 times

wtf lol?

And iv had my 360 a year and not a single problem, then again iv had my PS3 2 years and no problems either.

[tawak]

you look happy as relieve
that you still has your xbox360 for a year
for a year!jeezzz!! is that the new standard for electronics this
days?! "wow i got my ps3,360,dvd player,laptop,lcd tv for a year and thats a good quality im happy???" BS!!

[PotNoodle]

I got the YLOD a few months back, called them up got a replacement to me in 23 hours.

SCEE ftw <3

The replacement is a 60gb again, but is for some reason much quieter than my last one was, even at launch. It is rarely on the 2nd fan setting and has never been on the 3rd since then.

The airflow seems to be much more powerful too, maybe they fixed a new fansystem onto the replacement, i don't know. All i know is that it has been running super quiet and cool.

[guesty81]

the worst thing is i wouldnt have recieved my own machine back i would have instead got a reconditioned unit, removing any of my game saves. talk about paying £145 to be kicked in the nuts

[ikkeweer]

not sending back your own console, just thought it was a myth. If they really do that, hmm, I'd wanna live in texas.

[MatriXcian]

Ive had this same problem with my launch 60 gig its due to the sodder melting underneath the RSX graphics chip definitely a hardware defect it should never get that hot to disconnect the chips. Anyway I found a fix for this online your system needs to be reflowed heres the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Ive had to reflow my PS3 3 times so Id say its a temporary fix but the ylod is a big problem and assuradly a hardware defect.

[123456789]

at RROD owners...... i mean 360 owners. YLOD is nothing compared to RROD

[jay2]

Sony use bargian basement tacktics like that.

[Shadow Man]

YLOD?
RROD

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

mart you got it wrong, the original ps3's are the ones with blueray AND YLOD problems, I ran out of the warranty and Sony gave me a new PS3 which for some reason is much better then my old PS3, everyone who bought a PS3 march 2008 is good to go, and everyone who bought a PS3 shortly after should have no problems what so ever, obviously there will still be faults but not as many as the launch 60gb models.

By the way Sony replaced my 60 PS3 with another remade 60GB PS3 (with B.C,4USB's & CardReaders) after they discontinued the 60GB models.The women on the phone said that since your version no longer exists they will just remake an entire new 60GB PS3 for me lol, i was so happy!

and whats better is that the new PS3 came the very next day (^_^)

[TheMART]

Nice you got a new one and the 60GB model also but thats not whats happening overhere all the time for sure.

It was just recently on a consumer TV program. Just after a year Sony charged them 200 Euro and they got back refurbished PS3's, most even died again after a few weeks.

Furthermore 20/60GB PS3's with B.C. were send in and they got 40/80GB non B.C. PS3's back.

So maybe you just were lucky. Many people aren't thats for sure.

[theKiller]

thats why i love Sony!!!!

@Mart

and do u expect any body will believe any negative story u say about PS3?? whether the story u said is true or not i still wont believe it as long as it comes from u only, and even if its true it can also be vise versa to what u said to "@ULTIMATE_REVENGE" that its not whats happening in the overall.

[Expy]

lol... Yellow "lights" of death... There's only ONE flashing yellow light if hardware fails.

Bes9des, there was no correlation between system updates and hardware failure. Most of the time it's misuse (like that idiot who sent in a PS3 FULL of dust).

[ultimolu]

It's most likely the older models.
I have a 60GB BC so I wouldn't be surprised if something does happen.

[Anti-PS3]

I also have a 60GB and it just happened to me about 12 am today.

[ultimolu]

That sucks. Hope Sony can give you a replacement or something. I had a scare with my PS3 once so...yeah.

[ikkeweer]

some may break, but they all play PS2 games.
Wished mine did, but I was too late so I got 20 gigs less, and tossed away 3 games, due to not being able to play them.

[Tony P]

I pretty just got a PS3, a newer model. Of course, I wanted an older one for BC, but now I'm wondering if I got the better deal after all.

I'm finding it's still a good idea to wait a while into the console's life before buying one. The early PS2s had DRE, the early Xbox's had those unreliable Thompson drives... Now coloured lights spell doom for early adopters this gen.

To Nintendo's credit, I haven't experienced anything similar since the early Famicom era. Of course their tech this gen isn't pushing boundaries as much as the other two so it's understandable.

[ExPresident]

I don't think you can even come close to comparing the RROD failure rate of 360's to this YLOD with the PS3's. The %'s probably aren't even remotely close.

RROD was a BILLION $ problem for Microsoft, thats an issue.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Absolutely. It's not on the same level as RROD and a person would be foolish to try and play it up to be as big as the 360 failures.

[ultimolu]

I agree with you. It's not like they're dropping like flies or something.

[Anti-PS3]

It just happened to me recently. Now I have to wait til Sony sends me a box so that I can ship it to them. Now I have to go a week or two without playing KZ2.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

since then my new PS3's been running Ok throughout the whole of 2008, no problems what so ever, and my PS2 never had a fault for 8 years (^_^) thats what you call quality

i would say the PS3 has a 0.5% failure rate but thats still better then a 33 now gone to 39% failure rate

and with the coming launch of the Slim-PS3 the rate will drop back down to 0.1%

[Says you]

Have there PS3 break some of these guys in the gamer zone and open zone might be an XBox 360 fan saying there's broke anybody can say there system break without showing any evidence like the PS3 or Wii this news is probably going to have XBox 360 fans saying they have a PS3 that died on them considering with all that contradiction saying they never will get one and yet that's what the Mart did buying a PS3 and yet he hates it!, it just shows that XBox 360 fans have a contradiction to what they say and probably even if they do or don't have one they might make the story up that they had the Ylod just to tarnish Sony's name.

[xaviertooth]

well if that happens (YLOD), sony will replace it with a brand new unit. whereas with microsoft, they just fix it or they take another defective 360 and replace the defective 360! lolololol!!! and xbots are happy about it! i wonder how wide xbots' asses right now as time and time again they are butt-raped by microsoft!! lolololol!!!

[TheMART]

I'm guaranteed to get a 360 repaired for 3 years of time.
If my PS3 dies after just a year I'm facked, for 200 Euro to get someone elses refurbished one, or to have to pay 400 Euro to buy a new one.

The MS deal sounds a lot better to me then the Sony one does.

EDIT

@ Digger (below)

In Europe its 3 years on RROD (which is the problem in 99% of all cases)
Its 2 full years for anything else. Where disc scratching only was a problem of the Toshiba/Samsung DVD drive, which isn't used anymore after about the end of 2006 and replaced in those that had problems.

Its still 3 years warranty for RROD compared to 1 year on YLOD.

[digger18]

Mart, only RROD is covered for three years, any other problems are not.

[bujasem_89]

dont u see that that's ur problem ur waiting for ur console to break so u can go fix it i mean at what point does a gamer say my console will malfunction and when it doe i can fix itme and all my friends have 60 GB ps3's and we bought it since the launch and we have no problems what so ever thts the thing with sony they gave the 1 year warranty cause they didn't have to extend it like MS did BTW ms also had a 1 year warranty until the BRICK's started piling up

[Knightofelemia]

The PS3 does not have a failure rate as high as the 360 but it does fail in the long run, even the Wii has a failure rate aswell. Electronics fail even a 4000 dollar tv fails nothing to panic about as for the PS3 failing I wish Sony offered an extened warrenty over the phone like Microsoft does.

[SpoonyRedMage]

Wow check all the people downplaying it. Or deflecting attention to the 360.

If all of the people in these comments have had it happen it's NOT a small problem and it's good that any issues get revealed whether RROD, E74, DRE or YLOD.

Any issues with the Wii?

[Menchi]

Well, considering there's little to prove it's anywhere -near- the failure rate of 360, it's not going to get the same attention.

Electronics fail. As far as anyone can tell so far, they're normal failures so far.

If there were actually some mass breakdown of PS3's wouldn't we have game stores across the world stating as such?

Instead, we're going off Blogs and forum posts. The problem with those? Anyone can say they've had a broken PS3.

I can say I've had 10 broken 360's when in fact, I've never owned one. There's simply little evidence as it stands that the PS3 is dying in droves.

It's right to be upset at your console dying, but acting as if it's some epidemic and that it's "flying under the radar" is just unreasonable.

Also; All the people in these comments? Where on earth did you get that from?

And on the Wii front, the only issues were down to the dust with SSBB not working.

[SpoonyRedMage]

But at what point does it become a major problem?

We can't ignore people talking about the issues because they might be lying.

People lied about the RROD as well, even some people not taking care of it and then making it RROD on purpose to get it repaired for free.

We can't ignore problems.

EDIT: Look at how many people in these comments have had it happen. It's not just the author of the article, it's quite a lot of other people too. Sure some might be lying but I doubt they all are.

[Menchi]

The point when reputable sources, such as retail outlets, and major publications are writing about how they've experienced, or witnessed the hardware failures in large numbers.

Neither of those have happened for Playstation 3, however, they did happen for Xbox 360.

And again, I'll mention how I've had 10 Xbox 360's die on me. Except, I never owned one. You simply can not take -anything- you see at face value, simply because there's a large chance they could be lying.

There was a thread linked earlier, on the Playstation Forums, and it's all about YLOD and how many have had it. The big problem? Anyone can go in, with no proof and say "Hey, I had YLOD"

I saw quite a few <5 post users on there who claimed to have YLOD. No validation what so ever, yet they're added to a list of "known cases"

The -only- way this should ever be concerned a major issue like this article wants it to be, is if retail outlets across the world see a massive influx of broken PS3s.

I'm not for ignoring problems, but at least have some credible evidence, and not posts from people with names like "Anti-PS3"

[SpoonyRedMage]

But there can be no credible evidence if we ignore people!

Major Publications get their information from people on their sites(or readers of their magazines) quite often about the problems and do surveys. If we assume 100% of people are lying then we can't prove anything!

No we can't take everything as truth but we can't say they're lies either.

EDIT: I reckon this will get brushed under the carpet though, like how bad the PS2 was.

[Menchi]

I'm not saying ignore people. I'm saying have some proof they actually owned a defective console.

There's a difference between ignoring people, and actually trying to find accurate accounts of broken systems. Like I said, you can't take their word, you need more than that.

The best way? Retail. Most people who own a defective console will do one of two things. Call the store they bought it from, or Sony themselves, and to be quite honest, I'm going with the first option as a number one.

This means, that when a customer's system dies, they'd call the store, provide some form of proof of purchase, and inform them of their defective system. What happens afterwards is irrelevant.

Now, since that store has been called and had numerous reports of defective consoles from actual owners, they'd have some idea how bad the failure rate is. If this rate was extremely high, then there would definitely, without doubt, be some form of evidence from these retail outlets.

This would most likely travel to major publications, which would therefore help with finding an even more accurate guess of how bad it is.

Simply put, posts likes these, and forums and blogs really -aren't- that credible. And really, I don't think -anyone- can begin to glare at PS3's failure rate -until- some form of actual evidence is shown, from a reputable source.

Till that day, there's nothing anyone can do.

Also; PS2 was -far- from ignored. Sony had quite a bit of legal trouble from that, and rightly so. However, was it as bad RROD? No. It was said to be at around %15~20 of PS2s, compared to the 30% of 360.

[Azmatik]

Someone has to get to the bottom of this i bought my 60GB for over 600$ and now they want another 200$ to fix it and give me only a 3 month warranty on it LIKE WTF!! someone get to the bottom of this and its only happening to the 60GB

[cronaldo7]

This happens only in 20/60GB models?

[likedamaster]

Mostly those but all models are included. http://boardsus.playstation...

[guesty81]

Well if you've read my articles, reviews over on my site you will see Im no fanboy of microsoft and that the majority of my reviews are for the ps3, that's why i was so miffed when it bust. But revenge is oh so sweet.

I have the dead beast of a machine in my posession and im more than willing to dispose of it in any imaginative way (as long as its legal mind) and video the results.

just post you ideas on my forum thread http://gameztraffic.freefor...

but yes it did yellow light, no it wasnt dusty, and this is a growing concern for many ps3 owners, especially when sonys only sollution is to give them £145

[scott182]

Why don't you mail me the ps3 and I will take it from there. Good luck in your future purchases, maybe you should buy a 360, I hear they never break.

[Midgard228]

yeah just got it like 2 weeks ago, tho it sux im like w/e its a 60 gig lol, tho i was mad....so i took hard drive out and put a 40 in since sony doesnt let u hold on to hard drive. i made back up data's but resident evil cant be backed up which sux

[chisox100]

I hope this never happens to me because I spent a fortune on it and I cannot afford repairs.

[LinuxGuru]

Whine whine cry cry boo hoo. It's fact that Sony's and Nintendo's machines are far more reliable this gen than Microsoft's.

Get over it, and stop trying to claim otherwise.

The end.

[DevastationEve]

launch x360 lasted me almost 3 years before i upgraded to a 60gb model, which was purchased in october and hasn't failed yet.

i had 2 playstations go out on me before finishing ff7. it happens to everyone, no matter how much you spent on it. no matter who made it. that's why they have returns and replacements policies.

[ShiNe-Box-]

That's a pretty misleading article.

Article: "... when compared with Microsoft's offering."
That's a VERY overly considerate way of saying, "... when compared with Microsoft's 60-80% hardware failure statistic."

My 60gb Playstation 3 stays turned on an average of 8 hours a day. I've never experienced hardware failure since I purchased it in November 2006.

Actually, if anything has allowed Playstation 3's hardware failures to fly under the radar SOMEWHAT, it's the Xbox 360's perceptive 80% hardware failure statistic.

I also don't know why people are disagreeing with you LinuxGuru. It IS concrete fact that Sony's and Nintendo's machines are far more reliable this gen than Microsoft's.

[LinuxGuru]

At first reply -

I'm talking about THIS GEN. Hello? PS2 or One doesn't fit into this.

And the hard, true facts are that the 360 is far, far worse in terms of reliability than anything else out there, and attempts to downplay that by highlighting the very few cases of failure in the other camps is just plain idiocy.

[torontoml]

When there are millions of faulty PS3's then there is a problem, but until then its just like any other electronic equipment break down. It's very common place in the world of electronics, get used to it.

Also I have read around the Internet that if your 360 is out of warranty it also costs $150. People seem to forget that the warranty is much longer on the 360 due to the high number of broken systems.

[DevastationEve]

not true, it's just ms taking steps to keep ahead of the curve. it doesn't mean that they expect more failures and it doesn't mean that x360 is poorly built. if YOU had a stake in the multibillion dollar gaming industry wouldn't YOU do the same to keep your customers confident in their purchases?

[torontoml]

The 360's warranty was originally 90 days, then extended to a year, then three years. Thats because of the large number of failures, not because they wanted to get ahead of what was going on.

[Supernatural24]

The only time I get the Yellow light is when I want to quit a game. Take NHL 09 for example: when I'm done playing exhibition games with my brother, I have to load something (like Dynasty) and quit for good when the yellow light isn't flashing. Other than that, my PS3 doesn't cause me trouble at all.

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

I'm afraid this will happen to my 60 Gig from 06.

It does reset by itself a lot, which concerns me. Like...I'll exit a game, then it will reset and go back to the main screen. SHould I be concerned?

[Voozi]

If you're starting to feel concerned, back up your saves now (back when I started feeling iffy, I backed up all my saves and thank god I did...) and make sure no disc is left inside when you turn your PS3 off.

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

Alright thanks for the tips.

I guess you can call it concern, but it's been working fine for 2 years now. *Knocks on wood*.

[Spike47]

seriously, the PS3 is not perfect, only times it freezes on me is when I'm on the internet, lol.

For those who have actually had the problem, what can I say, you are part of the unlucky few.

[deshon09]

same here

[dagreatest41]

"Sony has always been considered the reliable hardware brand when compared with Microsoft's offering, however this misconception..."

Misconception? no, that's a fact. It might be a misconception that PS3s have a 0% hardware failure rating but the fact that the PS3 is significantly more reliable than the 360 is a fact...not a misconception.

[pippoppow]

E3 is coming up soon so now begins the anti-PS3 articles. Yes there is a problem associated with the PS3 but with about 24 mil PS3 sold, it would mean about 1 mil defective PS3 if failure rates are around 3-5% which is around the industry standard. !mil is alot but still within acceptable levels. Can't wait to see other articles claiming the same thing or some other similar smear campaign. When the problem is beyond the 3-5% mark and is comfirmed by retail, various reputable companies and respected media outlets then this would be a real story.

[Wolf873]

the numbers are not as staggering as they are for RROD. I too have had PS3 break on me but it was mainly due to the firmware update, because it happened soon after that. However, my only complaint is that Sony or MS, whomever, should be willing to fix this problem for free warranty or not, because if something like firmware breaks your machine, it's not your fault, why should we pay for something we did not do? After that yellow light incident, I have been very careful not get my Ps3 too dusty or get overheated.

[Marty8370]

My Uk Launch 60Gb(upgraded to 320Gb) has been on 24/7 since lauch, and still going strong 2+years later.

[devilhunterx]

same here.

[Queers of War]

YLOD only affects one SKU and that's the launch 60GB, failure rate around 5%

RROD affects all SKUs, about 33%

No big deal.

[BrianC6234]

What a waste of cyberspace. PS3s getting messed up from software updates is far from the problems the 360 has had. The 360 has the same problem. Sometimes a software update will just mess things up. It happens with computers too. The RROD problem is a major problem caused by the design of the 360. This PS3 problem can't be compared to RROD.

[Solid_Malone]

dont worry fools, just sign urselves up to continous play:

https://continuousplay.co.u...

and your ps3 should be safe from harm, unless u do something crazily drastic. :)

[MUNKYPOO]

launch 60 gig here with no problems (knock on wood)

[scott182]

How many people do you know have gotten 3 or 4 360's that all rrod (even newer model 360's) and how many people do you know have ever bought more then one ps3 that has gotten the yellow lights? Sony has a normal failure rate on the ps3, microsoft has a far, far sub normal failure rate (even by console standards) that will haunt them.

I personally know two friends who have gotten the rrod more then twice even with a newer model, and have 5 ps3 owning friends who have never had a single problem with the ps3. That is just my personal case, but I hear more of the same.

[DevastationEve]

dude the problem is that you can just SAY that you know 3-4 people that have had this or that console fail...and WHICH CONSOLE you say will determine who believes you.

if that's how it is that's just immature.

[scott182]

Immature? You'r replying to every positive ps3 post tring to discredit it.... immature. I was speaking from my own personal life, just like this article writer was. My views and experiences are the opposite, you can't deal with that?

I know the ps3 has a failure rate just like every piece of hardware made, the 360 was a freak show of failure rates .... the "journalist" comparing the two is very wrong in doing so.

[josh14399]

its amazing how these sites keep advertising YLOD but you never hear of anyone actually get. i bet most the reports are just fanboys who are jealous that they got RROD

[DevastationEve]

josh, how many x360s have YOU had fail on you? 9, right? i mean NOBODY shouldn't start anything if they don't personally have anything to do with it. don't defend fake articles or fanboy bashing if you honestly don't know what you're talking about. on BOTH sides.

[Unicron]

While no hardware is perfect, the attempts to associate the PS3 with the massive 360 hardware failures by labeling it the "yellow light of death" is just laughable. Only on N4G.

[read disc error]

yeah.

but at least MS replaces your console free of charge.

YLOD may not be as common as RROD but if you get it then you have to pay a bunch for another refurbished PS3.

[Fatal Blow]

This thing is not funny people when u spend over £640 pound's for a game console and it has Yellow death ring or red death ring for that matter i just feel sorry for the people who has had this problem but with my ps3 60gb from launch day just keep's freezing now and then and i turn it off and turn it back on it's back to normal but we people should not have these problem's in the first place am changing my ps3 hard drive in 2day's time i hope i just dont get these problem's if i do then am gonna go crazy cause i have allready spent over £1000 pound's for a game console and that's not funny at all

[Fade_Walker]

Either way, they still last alot longer then a 360.

Not saying I hate my 360, but all three times I have sent my 360 in my PS3 has always filled the gap.

[Spike47]

and It was a good reason. Its good to know that your console is most likely not going to encounter a problem similar to that found in most Xbox360s.

[Phantom_T]

Never had a problem with it,bar two freezes.
Doesn't overheat.
Doesn't crash.
Hasn't got at all louder.
Win 4 me.

[thehitman]

This article fails is so many ways its not even funny.... I just find it sad articles like these still get approved.

Hi Haters ^^

[REALgamer]

My launch 360 has had a RROD once, but wasn't really a problem because of the free warranty.

Of course the failure rate of the PS3 is nowhere near as high, but the YLOD seems prominent enough that I believe Sony should extend their warranty to match the 360's.

Because after all, getting a RROD isn't unexpected but it doesn't cause any real problems since I can send it off free, but on the rare chance I get a YLOD on my PS3 I'll be needing to fork out $300 AUD. Not exactly reassuring.

[Argento-Nox]

MS only extended the warranty b/c they were about to be hit with a 1 billion lawsuit they were bound to lose, secondly they denied RROD existed even though it was a known issue prior to launch. I asked the MS rep about it several month's after launch and he said with a straight face that RROD didn't exist. This was the same rep that told me there was still 500+ games being made for the xbox1 after the 360 was release. In both cases, I knew the 'tard was lying to my face or giving PR BS.

I can tell people that the failure was at least 30%, b/c I sold 360's from launch day to 6 month's after, for futureshop/bestbuy. My sales pitch for 2 year or 3 year product service plan for 360's was "Do you know about RROD?".

One year warranty is definitely better than 360's initial 90 day warranty. Seriously, kotaku and other sites are making a mountain of a mole-hill for failures within a reasonably range below 5%. I have a launch 60GB PS3 like my brother and friends, and the dozen of us have not had YLOD. Only one friend had to send his 20 GB PS3 in for repairs, but it was for a faulty drive.

I really don't see this as an issue, since my friends and family working at EB games/Game Stop haven't even mentioned YLOD to me once, compared to RROD and E74 for the 360. They have however, mentioned that things are much improved with the jasper chipset for the 360, but not completely gone with E74 or RROD.

[REALgamer]

I don't care why it came about, but I'm glad there's a 3 year warranty for E74 / RROD (and an additional year added on if you get one). The 360 is very failure prone, but at least it doesn't cost me a cent.

Sony should extend their YLOD warranty to 3 years to show they have confidence in their console as well. $300 AUD is way too much to pay on the off chance I get a YLOD.

I'd prefer 3 RROD in 3 years that costs me nothing than 1 YLOD in 3 years that costs me $300 AU.

[Argento-Nox]

Seriously, Nintendo doesn't even have 3 year warranty on their products. Like Nintendo, Sony products are relatively sound and don't need a 3 year warranty that would be an unnecessary cost to the company.

I'd love to ask companies that make the products I have (Panasonic, LG, Sandisk, JVC, Fuji etc.) to extend my warranty, but most companies only have a 1 or 2 year warrany to begin with. Why ask Sony to do what most companies won't, a 3 year warranty? It's just not good business senses.

[J-Train]

and im upset cause ive had it just over a year and it will cost $350 australian dollars to fix with sony.

apparently going to an independent repairer will be much cheaper though

[TisoSpencer]

Like all typical electronics with an acceptable 3% as a basis for a failure rate why is this news when the PS3 has less than 1% on it's failure rate? The reason a PS3 owner can talk badly about the 360 is because it has an unacceptable 33%+ failure rate attached. It's not a matter of if you'll get the RROD it's a matter of when. With PS3's "YLOD" it's a matter of if you'll be out one day walking down the street and a clown shoots you in the leg and a pebble from space kills the clown as he escapes. In other words while it sucks for those that do get them the number is so insignificant that it might as well be considered an urban legend.

[emaddox84]

But this happened to my 60 gig in December of last year. I had to pay $150 to send it in for a replacement 60 gig, which has been working perfect for about 5 months now. The worst part about it though was the fact that I had not backed up all my saved game files. I lost everything since I could not turn on my ps3 to get the saves, and I could not put the hard drive in a friends ps3 to copy them b/c the hard drive is encrypted to only work with the ps3 it's formatted with. I dunno how rare this problem is, but I know it does happen. I wouldn't trade my 60gig for anything though. Gotta love that hardware backwards compatibility.

[cmrbe]

of seven people that i know have x360 only 1 didn't suffer a PROD.

5 PS3 owners, No YOLD or whatever it is. Just the ocsasional game freez.

[ShiNe-Box-]

That's a pretty misleading article.

Article: "... when compared with Microsoft's offering."
That's a VERY overly considerate way of saying, "... when compared with Microsoft's 60-80% hardware failure statistic."

My 60gb Playstation 3 stays turned on an average of 8 hours a day. I've never experienced hardware failure since I purchased it in November 2006.

Actually, if anything has allowed Playstation 3's hardware failures to fly under the radar SOMEWHAT, it's the Xbox 360's perceptive 80% hardware failure statistic.

[reckoner]

Sadly, my PS3 received the YLOD. I just need $150 now.

[KilZoneGeneralStrife]

I didnt read every post... ,but I have to ask a question,if this problem is costing many people $150. . . . . .and if its many people with the same problem. .its a manufacturing defect?the problem could be traced right? Serial number. . .manufacturing date. . .manufacturing plant.man. . .its bs you guys have to pay :( I feel your pain.I got an 80gig in December,still problem free,ive had 1 RROD on my 360,but on my 3rd 360 cuz they kept scratching and cracking my games. . .so I feel for ya :( thank God I didnt have to pay a cent to get my 360 repaired.you guys have to fight,prove its a defect.I wont diss Sony or Msft from a fanboy point of view,but I will say Screw big corporations for trying to rip us off!

[360isgreat]

Go check your facts and do a article on M$ hardware.. Sony is within acceptable failure limits. NO electronic has a 100% success rate. NONE.

M$ is by far the worst in any given electronic EVER. Im almost positive this is a fact!

[ChunkyMunky]

Hope it doesnt crap out on me after the warranty expires

[Avenged Sevenfold]

its real, although it's not a widespread issue like the rrod. My buddy got ylod a few weeks ago and just got a 360 so his Cod4 game doesnt get rusty. he's getting a new ps3 in june. anyway, lol kotaku posted this.

[Etseix]

my 80g works as fine as a .... 80g ps3 model! take that ;D

[QuackPot]

Sheez. Can we ever get rid of the xfanboys?

use to be "no games"

then

"delaystation" or "waitbeyond"

then

"ha,ha the ps3 loses another exclusive"

then

"ha,ha my multipat game is better than your muliplat game"

then

"OMG, 10 minute install"

then

"Not AAA because it doesn't sell as much as my 360 game"

then

"That aint good looking. My high end PC does the graphics better"

And now, the flavour for the month

"OMFG YLOD"

Pathetic.

No system is perfect and the YLOD would likely be a fraction of the well known ~30 percent failure rate of the 360(resulting in MS dedicating $1 billion to cover it).

You will need to find some better troll material than this boyo.

I'm sure there's countless ps3 owners like myself that have had their unit operating flawlessly in hot rooms for days and hours on end. I wouldn't dare try this with my 360.

BTW: I have a 2 year old 60G Ps3 with no more warranty. If the YLoD happen to me then I'd be one of the unlucky ones. The very, very, very unlucky ones due to Sony's reputation of provide quality hareware. So, I'm not worried.

[cyclindk]

Ohhhhhhhh, so the point is... back up your saves in the five seconds it takes... OK, thanks for the reminder!

[reckoner]

For real man, my PS3 died cause of this and I lost all my saves. :(

[sak500]

Day before i had gone to one of the local retailers to drop off my bro's Elite for repair and lo behold i saw one guy drop off his 80Gb ps3 there. Since the warranty was over so the store guy told me to contact MS as they will replace / fix it free of charge, not so for the PS3 guy. Good job MS

[Shendow]

My gets it every day, damn good Japanese system's with their lights telling us things like if the system is on or off.....Oh wait are you we talking about a problem or just the pretty light? So but this sh!t is notthing more then US people saying bad things about a Japanese band system but if you hear about 360 -_- well RROD this and Error this -_- an you think PS3 is bad?

[keysy420]

this is irrelevant the ps3 could really could have a million systems crash and then the system will be at a 10 % failure rate stop, being cheap.and quit with stupid articles

[keysy420]

you may be right the 360 is the number 1 failed machine? product ever made.

[Bizmal]

I have both, Version 1 ps3 day one release. Still works. My 360 I'm on my 5th one. Last one broke a couple weeks ago. At the time that I am posting this there are 4 people in the room with me and between us all we are up to 10 Xbox360s. So shut up. lame. Facts are facts.

[PS360PCROCKS]

I'm on my 3rd or 4th lol.

[devilhunterx]

The only thing M$ is winning this gen is the FAILURE RATE OF CONSOLES.

Congrats

[The_Devil_Hunter]

Are you my evil twin?

[insomnium]

Just last saturday. I had the PAL-launch console (bought on March 23 2007). I was going to play RE5 on pro to try and get the trophy (trying to get the big guy killed after the chase in chapter 2-3(which must be the only difficult part playing pro)). Last time I couldn't get him killed so I thought about trying again. I have to play the whole chapter ofcourse since I've hunted all the other trophies in between.

The chase begun and just after about 5 minutes of shooting the motorbikes and trucks my PS3 suddenly crashed and the stanby-light was left blinking. I tried to start the machine again but it shuts down and blinks the standby-light always and right before that the yellow light appears for a half a second.

I think this means it's not HDD-related but that my PS3 has fried it's circuit board or something (learned from youtube). I'm eager to see how Sony is handling these things up here in Finland. I must be the biggest fan of the PS3 there is. I've bought almost every single game available (I must have trophies in 40 games or something). I wouldn't want to get treated badly.

I'm prepaired to pay for the repair sure but how much will it be that's a different question and how fast will everything happen.

I have my P3 FES and P4 and some other games on my PS2 I haven't even played yet so I will be busy no matter what but I would like to get my PS3 back asap please.....

[blink3020]

My Ps3 has been extremely reliable. A few hiccups but nothing serious. Not worried about this. No machine is 100% reliable.

[KilZoneGeneralStrife]

If its not malicious damage to propety,ie your own hands or being stupid (spilling water on it etc) ,its a defect that they have to repair.one year warranty/guarentee,whatever it is,has nothing to do with the fact that their component manufacturers are releasing inferior parts.with that said. . .does anybody know exactly what their replacing for $150?

[Soldierone]

Under the radar would be more like releasing consoles that are known to have RROD off the assembly line just so they can beat the competing consoles by a year....Oh wait that did happen haha. Sony isnt "under the radar" their systems are just lasting longer. Why should people go on a forum and post "My launch console is working fine how do i break it!!!" ? No when your console breaks you post asking for help, thats why you see that more commonly. I have a fat PS2 that is working perfectly fine, fat PSP still standing strong, and a launch 60 GB PS3 that is used everyday without any problems at all. Thats not under the radar, thats a friendly crossing the sea on the radar while the others are sinking ships. Let alone Sony has no problem fixing any problems you may have with your console, probably because they didnt purposly relase faulty systems just to get them out early.

[ballsofsteel]

i think a lot of this stem from teh RROD people are just making out every hardware couple hardware problem into a widespread problem for no reason. even if there were 100,000 PS3 that had gotten this same problem it is still so few compared to the whole. plus anyone who gets issues automatically types it into the web no a days so the majority of people who have problem will post it online.

[Grandreaper9999]

Holy shyt, look at all the people arguing about this nonsense..

YLOD is not a myth, it IS real. The RROD is also not a myth. I hope that comes as news to all you here.

@The I Robot Retard

I also hear MS has a massive pile of 360's out in the desert next to that pit of E.T. cartridges. I hear they keep it off limits to the public because they use them for refurbs. They are highly valuable pieces of hardware you know. When you get your refurb 360 back from MS, check for sand and/or dirt---- It's a conspiracy, dude!

In other news, my toaster just broke.

[Grandreaper9999]

I would like to see what would happen if every time a pc gamer's pc crashed during game they quickly ran onto their glorified blog and declared war on all pc hardware.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Um PC's are made by multiple companies with multiple parts, or by yourself with multiple differing parts. So it's not the same, the PS3 is made by Sony, tested by Sony and it is the only model they make. Same components in every one.

[Bimmer3]

Aside from the PSP and PS2? Not to mention TVs, blu-ray players, audio receivers, car stereos, walkmen, etc.

Edit: I might get what you're saying now. But PS3s definitely aren't all the same. My launch 60g looks a lot different inside then the newest models.

[PS360PCROCKS]

well to be fair and to not be biased. Any product you update continually will eventually lead to something that doesn't go as planned. I don't think it's an issue or widespread, but I do think that if Sony's updates are indeed causing this they need to either find the solution or start giving people a break on what they're charging them for repairs.

[Hiruu]

Had alot of problems...interesting, since I bought 3 console and at least 2 of the 3 are still working jsut fine...the missing one is one that I sold when I got my 360, so it could be working for all I know.

[PS360PCROCKS]

huh? original xbox had a lot of problems? Since when!? That thing was a tank and was unstoppable, lol. I bought one in 2004 and it's dusty as hell, sits in a basement in a cabinet and has never had a single problem. I have NEVER heard of anyone I know having a problem with the xbox.

[shawnsl65]

statistically speaking..

malfunctioned ps3 = plane crash
malfunctioned 360 = car crash

which happens more? although it would be better if every product in this world is 100% perfect wouldn't it.

[slave2Dcontroller]

and while it has not YLOD, it has been freezing alot and I have weird things going on like I can use the web browser but it WONT connect to PSN unless I keep turning it on and off. Also, sometimes the icons on my xmb wont load and all i get are the spinning arrows.

I bought an external hdd to back up my files but I need to find an app that allows me to format it and partition it. I found one called swiff knife but it doesnt work with POS Windows Vista.

[hakis86]

Ever since 2.76 my Blu-ray is not detected (can't watch movies, play games - not even DVDs are detected).
The little loading icon on the top right works constantly.

If anybody knows how to fix this PLEASE PM me!

[Dark-vash]

Send it to Sony for repair!

Some friends had the same problem, the laser just died...
And its a lot more common then YLOD...

Have some friends that already had this problem more then 1 time in a year...
Lucky that here, on Europe, there's 2 year warranty for electronic equipment.

[xlr]

we are not going to fool this time

[-MoOkS-]

I've been saying this for weeks. The YLoD and disc read error's are becoming a HUGE problem, just read what happened to my ps3 in my bio.

I'd estimate that the failure rate of ps3 has risen to around the 15-20% mark, and it's still rising.

I know people who are on there 4th ps3, and sony expects them to pay for repairs, thats how they make up the money for selling ps3 at a loss probably. If you spend $600 on a piece of electronics, you would expect it to last ALOT longer than what it does.

And for all the droids saying that only the 60gb gets it, WRONG

The 60gb is the most effected by YLoD
80gb is most effected by bluray drive failure's
40gb is a mixture of ylod and disc drive failures

Go on youtube and type in yellow light or red flashing light.

[xaviertooth]

man i just did what you suggested.

but it still shows RROD on the search result.

[darkzodiac55]

to your imaginary ps3 ?

[FFXI101]

people who's on their 7th 360, what's your point? your estimate is a failure just like 360.

[-YLoD-]

It was going to get out. Sony has done a good jobe of hiding it.
Go on youtube and look at the thousands of yellow light video's.

Go to the official playstation forums and see how many threads about faulty ps3's there are. This is becoming a big problem and sony seems to be doing NOTHING about it.

The ps2 was the most faulty console of ALL TIME. PS3 looks to have inherited the DRE, disc read error too.

[Bizmal]

Look up the facts the 360 has the highest failure rate of not just consoles but it's the highest failure in electronics.Ok maybe not out of all electronics but it has to be close. I have never had 5 of anything break down on me. except 360's of course. And did you say disc read error. Very common on the 360.

"Dirty Disk"??

[JeffGUNZ]

this article is about the ps3, not the 360, stop being a fanboy and attacking the 360. Of course the 360 has some hardware issues, but the differance is the way Microsoft handled it. They took responsibility, admitted the problem, and fixed ALL repairs, extending the warranty for three years. Sony is taking no responsibility and are charging their CONSUMERS to fix the machine that THEY produced. I know most people in here treat their systems well, so when those systems die, why should the consumer have to pay for it? All-in-all, leave the 360 out of it, it has NOTHING to do with THIS article.

Man, some people take ANY chance they can to bash the 360, it's pathetic.

[Menchi]

Stop acting like MS is some form of hero.

The -only- reason MS even bothered to extend the warranty is they had been given an ultimatum. Extend the warranty and deal with all the broken boxes, and publicly accept the the problem was too big.

Or, have a complete recall on every single one of their consoles, which would have completely taken them out of the console market.

Which do you think they'd rather take?

[XULTIMATEXGAMEONX]

3% YLOD compared to 34% RROD plus ? % of E74 failure rates......
Love how microsoft can scam 60 % of american on buying their poor 360 hardware's.

[JeffGUNZ]

where did you get those figures from? It's not about poor hardware, it's about how Microsoft addresses and fixes the problem. They take responsibility and fix the system, for FREE. Sony is charging their consumers for repairs. If your PS3 went down, you'd be pissed if you had to pay for the repairs, when you took care of your PS3 and all it's games. Truth is, all technology has faulty units, it's how the company combats the issue and resolves it quick and easy for their consumers, which Sony doesn't do.

[Allowen]

But I never seen this yellow lights yet. phew.

I don't know, the PS3 is reliable and the 360 is not that much but both have a huge problem :
Both have super power to run games but that generates a lot HEAT for their real SMALL cases.

No way my PC that has a huge case, lots of coolers and etc will have a heart attack on the cpu, MB or GPU after just 1 year of 10h/day of hardcore gaming.

Unfortunetly even the Ps3 can't resist long enough for those REAL hardcore players. I have at least 8ppl on my friend list that already had its PS3 broken or it experiencing those GPU bugs in high lv textured games.

[BannedForNineYears]

My Playstation 3 is fine, so STFU! xD

[JeffGUNZ]

I don't think the author wrote the article just for you.

[Allowen]

What I hated about when the PS3 breaks and you get it fixed(not changing it for a new one) is that it will not accept the backup you made from your first console.

As far as I know there is no way to remove or copy the data from the flash memory installed in the motherboard.

If it was possible I could put it and the old HDD with all the saved installations and saves ,etc on the new console without having to format and Download stuff all over agains from the slow PSN.

All the many safe stages to prevent hacking the PS3 has is downside that is what I just said above.
the backup you put in a HDD will NOT work on the new PS3 you get....

[wowzers]

They all have their problems... So its all good :)

[saimcheeda]

I have never seen any yellow light!!!!!!!!!

[TheMART]

Because you don't own a PS3 but still a PS2!

[solidjun5]

YOU don't own a PS3.

[saimcheeda]

how come this guy knows if i have a ps3 or not??

[darkzodiac55]

because he knows everything
/s/

[peeps]

chances are the comments are full of fanboys....

but anyway. the reason it 'slipped the radar' is because like all electronics, there are problems. but the ps3 failure rate is much much much less than the 360's

[Dave2001]

The YLOD is getting worse and worse.

From what i have heard from reliable sources Ps3's all over the world are getting the YLOD which means the failure rate is even worse then the 360's 33%.

Which is bad for Ps3 owners but then again it's they're fault for buying a Ps3 should of bought a 360 instead idiots.

Though i have to give props to Sony they managed to hide the YLOD since the Ps3 launched though now everyone will now know Sony as the liars they are.:)

[sjaakiejj]

It's a misconception that Sony's hardware is more reliable then Microsofts? It's a misconception that 1% is much less then 40% ?
Oh my god, all these years I've been fooled by Sony telling me that 1% is less then 40%, while the truth is that it's much more! Thank you for enlightening me and showing me the truth, GamezTrafic!

[Raider69]

this is the second time i have a yellow light of death on my 60GB!my first PS3 have this after one year and then they sent me a refurbished one that went dead after 4 months!this faulty is connected to the POWER SUPPLY on the PS3!
i also have a 360 that had 5 times the RROD!MS is still winning by 3 !

[news4noobs]

fony's hardware is as crap as their software. and extremely overpriced on top of that. just because you pay a lot for it, doesnt mean it's good. i'm suprised how many idiots are still getting fooled by that age old trick.

but one day most of you NOOBS will also learn it, a lot have already. for proof just look at the pathetic figures when it comes to game sales on the POS3.

btw fony just had to close down 3 factories in Japan. good news.

[FFXI101]

goes back to you and your fellow tards.

[megatama]

MS and Sony should paid for their faulty hardware...

[larrym]

Some of you guys must have selective memory I guess. I guess no one remembers turning their Playstations upside down like me, my buddies and other people had to do. Or the Playstation 2's DRE (disc read error). Gee, I guess not. I guess third times the charm for Sony getting their hardware right.

[ChrisTiffer]

... GROW UP.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Droid damage control, thier rusty minds are "SPINNING" to music by the Spinners.

[Boty]

I have a launch 60 gig. I have never had any problems simply because I take good care of my things. I have always vacuumed and blown out the dust out of my ps3 every week. That alone will insure good ventilation as if not done will almost guarantee an overheated console. That just don't happen to Consoles it happeneds to pc's as well.

People, I suggest you take a can of air and a vacuum to your ps3 and 360. One more thing I suggest to do is when you handle the PS3's hardrive, Always be grounded to something because if not you could toast the hardrive.(Just touch the inside of ps3, or the metal, Before pulling that sucker out)

[Warbletot]

I have the 60GB launch unit, it YLOD'ed a few months back. I don't wish to make a song and dance about it, but people should accept that a problem exists and not act like what many Xbox owners did when Rrod started out.
Remember we are consumers, I hope it is not wide spread, but I sure as hell would'nt of minded an extended warranty offer from Sony. I personally did not want to pay AU$315 and tried to reflow the motherboard, it worked for a week, got intermittent, then completeley killed itself again :( Sony will probably sh!t in my console and return it to me if I now try and get them to repair it.

[Captain Tuttle]

And probably increasing. It's not even in the same league as the RROD fiasco though.

[Sez]

this is why i don't turn on and play the ps3 a much. after going thru having dre 3 times and having to pay for it twice. plus problem with the ps1. this is the reason why i don't trust sony products. i refuse to pay sony anymore money for repairs. they jerk me last gen twice. i be damn they do it to me again. i've never had problem with my 360,xbox,gamecube,n64,genesis, dreamcast,ect. people on this site can deny all they want by saying. "oh all electronic break down" yeah that may be true. but three gen's in a row? yeah right. and with their labtop batteries exploding. doesn't help them in my book.

[Mr Face Creamer]

It happened to my 60GB model, I still had a month and a half of warranty fortunately, it turns out the Blu-Ray player broke down on me so it showed me system error. This is probably what is causing this problem with most people.

I wouldn't mind if Sony made a 3 year warranty, really good idea since PS3's hardly break down.

[tudors]

Sony have never accepted any responsibility, 150 for a repair is terrible, I mean does every problem Sony has justify a 150 price tag, so far people I know who have had the RROD have not paid one penny to MS for repair, and in some cases they get free games, what is it with some of you guys, do you like being treated like a *ricks? at least MS own up to the problem unlike the arrogant attitude at Sony repairs, clearly there repair centre is making up for there loss on each ps3 sold or maybe that is too harsh, but the Sony repair centre is there to make money not for the customers benefit, again I say I have never paid for a repair once to MS, and any guys in the UK remember your consumer rights, there are laws against this sort of thing.

[rawrlolrofl]

i bought my ps3 in november 2007, not a problem since. also, someone dropped my ps3 down 3 stairs, luckily it still works flawlessly. since i bought it, it's only frozen on me 3 times. my pc freezes more than that.

[danfry]

Of course you PC freezes more than that. it's probably based on a Microsoft operating system!

[danfry]

My launch PS3 sadly died back in November last year (08), it was well outside it's warranty - but I called Sony Customer support (Europe) anyway on the off chance they could do something.

To my surprise they offered me a reconditioned PS3 with 1 years warranty for free! They then called me back a day later to inform me that they didn't have any 60GB recons in stock to send me, so instead they said they would swap my fauly 60GB PS3 for a brand new 80GB machine. 2 days later it was all sorted - for FREE!

TOP NOTCH SONY!!

[kingtigar]

My launch ps3 is invincable!!!

[tudors]

carefull lol.

[darkmurder]

Seriously, first post no one even made a comment about 360 and yet the SDF is all over the 360... geez its like its your personal pride at stake ffs.

[free3sixty]

my friend payed 230 euro via Media-Markt for his broken blu ray drive (60 Gb PS3) last year.

From what i heard is, that SOny gives extra warranty since this year for broken blu ray drives although the warranty is over.

[JeffGUNZ]

It's hardware, no matter how well you design something, there will be a chunk of those inventions that will falter. This happens with every system.

[Ninjamonkey]

well Ive had my ps3 and 360 sonce launch.

The ps3 has never had a problem

The 360 got RROD

The fact is even with this YLOD the ps3 is still way more reliable

[gigakain]

I just had my HDMI completely go out, everything else works I just cant output anything thru the HDMI I am very pissed.

[Information Minister]

The PS3's hardware failings don't fly "somewhat under the radar" because of a misconception, they do it because they're rare. And I don't care how these guys spin it, the hardware issues on the PS3 can't even be compared to the ones on the 360. Claiming that the difference between failure rates on the PS3 and 360 is a "misconception" is frankly ridiculous.

And someone should tell this guy that the Wii also has hardware issues. Or is that another misconception?

[devilhunterx]

M$ won the console failure war.

[360isgreat]

Id like to thank all the fanboys for making this possible. Without your constant complaining and moaning this article would have never reached the heights it has and allowed me to be the 300th poster.

Id also like to thank my family, most of all my dog scrotom. Id also like to thank god for allowing all of us to be retarded enough to post this much.

In closing this was a collaboration on everyones part and just want to thank everyone.

[edgeofblade]

Call me crazy, but THIS is the normal failure rate. Microsoft would kill to have these kinds of numbers.

I'm an avid 360 supporter because I just like the games and XBL. But the hardware reliability blows chunks. It's a shame really... Nintendo might have some real challenge from the 360 if it weren't for the sh!tty quality.

I still see PS3 and the distant leader in durability. It's hard...nay, impossible to deny that.

[Dannehkins]

The Yellow Light of Death so to speak is a problem with the Playstation 3. We are all aware of this (most of us anyway).

But this article seems to escalate the problem based on a bunch of posts across the internet. Can we really suggest that those posts are a reliable source to conclusive say that the failure rate is high?

As for the price tag, yes that may seem a bit unreasonable and I can actually see the point. On the other hand, you could argue that continuous play is an alternative option and a cheaper option (in some cases).

[Pootangpie]

although the press seems to ignore there too focused on the 360 RROD bunch of god dam hypocrits I'm sorry but PS3 does not get a free Pass Espically with bluray malfunctions Corrupted HDD haveing to reformat the HDD paying 150 if it's out of warrenty it may not be as big as 360's but they still havne't learned from the PS2's promblems

[PantherDST]

A quick and simple GOOGLE search for the "Yellow Ring of Death PS3" received 68,900 links, however searching for "Red Rind of Death 360" resulted in 645,000 links. Based on this simple comparison I would have to say that the YROD is not that big of a problem. I'm not saying it does not happen only that it does not seem widespread...

[godofthunder10]

Just like i said before,there's a double standard when it comes to Sony and their fans.Ps3 fanboys are claiming this isn't news and shouldn't even be posted.These are the same ps3 fanboys that was posting their own news articles trashing the 360 because of the RROD.They claim that it was just the 1st ones that had problem,guess what.it's just the 1st 360 that had problems to.Microsoft fixed the RROD problem,but still today there are ps3 fanboys that's still posting articles about the RROD and it's over now and it's pathetic.They even had 1 ps3 fanboys claiming that it's 360 owners with a immaginary ps3 that's posting this news.Ps3 fanboys were worst,about half of so call 360 owners complaining about the 360 was ps3 owner with an immaginary 360.They had 1 post that said he's tired of sendind his 360 back so he just bought a ps3.hell he sure waited a long time.The RROD warrinty been over a long time.Sound like a ps3 owner with a immaginary 360.

I'll agree that the 360 had a high defect rate because it's true.It's not a true statement when ps3 owners claim that if they bought a system with defects like the 360 they would switch to the other.The fact is that they didn't switch when the ps2 1st came out and it had a high defect rate to,it wasn't as high as the 360 but it was high.They had a defected disc drive in it and wouldn't recognize the disc half the time.They even had a lawsuit against sony because of the problem.Sony tryed to deny that the ps2 didn't had any problems,but it came out in court that they knew that a lot of the drives had a defect in them and they lost the case.Ps3 fanboys claimed that Sony would never give a 3 year warrinty on their systems because they are to good to their customers unlike Microsoft.I'll agree with them that sony would never give a 3 year warrinty because the facts show they only gave a 2 month warrinty on the defected drive.I bought a ps2 when they 1st came out.My ps2 went out about 3 to 5 days since Sony annoced the 2 month extra warrinty.I called Sony and they told me it was a few days over the warrinty so i had to pay $100 to have it fix,It went out on me again so i bought a new 1,then it went out and i bougt 1 more and never had any problem with it.The fact is that i spent $700 on ps2 systems in less then 3 years.On the other hand 360 owners had to just pay for 1 system for 3 years,still ps3 fanboys claimed that it's microsoft that screws the people not Sony.I'll agree with then that microsoft screws people but Sony do to.Ps3 fanboys always get mad when a ps3 exclusive ends up on the 360.They claim that the only thing Microsoft does is steal other companies exclusive or buy them,unlike Sony because they make their own.The fact is that Sony did the same thing to nintendo what Microsoft is doing to Sony now.Sony went after ever good game that Nintendo had.They tryed to buy or like ps3 fanboys claim steal all of them and make them ps exclusives.For exsample ps3 fanboys face gets red when they have a rumore that mgs4 might come to the 360.They say that Microsoft should come up with their own games like Sony.The fact is that MGS4,FINAL FANTASy,NINJA GAIDEN and some other big ps exclusives was exclusives for nintendo before sony went after them.It was a smart thing to because it helped sony to become a big player in the market.I'll admitt i think that the ps3 is a good system.On the other hand it isn't as great as ps3 fanboys claim.Developers already said that the ps3 does something better then the 360 and the 360 does somethings better then the ps3.The only big difference is br.The fact is that we only have a few years left for these systems then the new ones will be out then all the fanboys from both sides could act like a bunch of spoiled kids.

I'm not saying that the ps2 had more problems then the 360 because they didn't.i'm not a stupid fanboy of any system.I still think that the ps3 is the most dependable console that was ever made.The problem i have is when ps3 fanboy trash the 360 for something and act like it's not a bad deal when the same thing happen to the ps3.I know that my brother bought a ps3 when they 1st came out when they were giving away 5 brs movies.My brother gave me the BR disc because he said he's not going to switch over.he said he will just keep buying dvds because they are cheaper,and when br goes down so will dvds so it's win win.Well he brought it back because it went out and he bought a 360.

I learned my lesson and i understand how economies work. I will never buy a forign product again because i try to buy American products,so i could help my own economy out instead of some other countries.The fact is that whne Americans don't buy American products they hurt our economy,cause plants and companies to close down and cause millions of people to lose their jobe.But by the way they talk they don't care.The facts show that the reason American Car Companies are going bankrupt is because people are buying forign cars.I'm tired of hearing that Americans don't make good cars.i know some people that have almost 200 thousand miles on a chevy and ford.A car is only as good as you keep it up,i don't care what kind it is.If you take care of it it will last,if you don't it wont.People are doing the same thing to every other American Company and the bad part is a lot of people brag about it and it's pathetic.

[Bimmer3]

It's a global economy. Nothing is "Made in America" anymore. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the 360 is made in some plant in China. Car companies? If they had made quality cars to begin with this wouldn't be an issue. There's a Hyundai plant near me, and I'm sure those Americans are happy to have a job and would recommend buying a Hyundai to any of their friends. Toyota supplies lots of jobs to Americans at their truck plant in Texas or wherever it is. BMW gives jobs to people in South Carolina who build the Z4s, X3s, and X5s.

I mean honestly, do you really think you can control who gets your money? It's a global economy, money flows back and forth between all nations. The whole "I'm better than you because I don't let those evil foreign companies get my money" argument is getting really old really fast.

[Rhezin]

I guess that was a wise decision.

[kanedaakira]

Happened to me too. 60GB launch model. Lost everything. I had a 320GB drive inside. The biggest loss was my collection of HD videos of my daughter and family. There just doesn't seem to be any way of getting the data off the drive because it is all encrypted and will only work in the original PS3 that is was installed in. I even contacted a professional data recovery agency who couldn't retrieve the data. If anybody has any advice I would appreciate it (I still have the 320GB drive and haven't formatted it yet).

Anyway - Sony customer service was impeccable - Even though I was out of warrantee they sent me a new 60GB free of charge, as a good will gesture they said ;D

On another note...It's funny how so many people have said they had Fallout 3 in the drive when it happened. I did too......hmmmm.

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

I have two PS3's...and no problems. Is this a launch PS3 issues? I don't have one. I'm sure once fanboy bias is considered (Kotaku, eh) it is nowhere near as prevalent as RROD.

But still...Damn't Sony!

[JokesOnYou]

*NOTE the following comments have also been made about 360:

1.5 - its funny how lots of people who dont have an xbox
suddenly claim there imaginary ps3 got the rare ylod!!

-yeah, whats even more funny is that when I would mention long ago that there was mysteriously alot of new accounts on any RROD story about how they had 5 broken 360's, I was constantly accused of implying there was no problem, which if you read my history, I said many times micro fck up with RROD

1.15 - Umm, someone want to tell me how this is an article?
It's just a guy's blog about his experience with a faulty PS3. -darkride66

-lol, from darkride of all people a guy who jumps on any "blog post" from 1 360 owner to tell his *infamous RROD torture story, lmfao seriously gimme a break

1.16 -
Just take care of your stupid console! geez....

-yeah cause UNLIKE the 360 none of it could simply be the hardware/sony's fault.

1.48 - dudes the YLOD does exist
but it's very very very VERY rare (it's within industry standards and if im correct, industry standards is less then 1%)
electronic products always have a certain percentage that fails..my ps3 died with YLO

-yeah and you know this because after YOUR very own ps3 died when you asked your majic 8ball: "How is this possible?" it answered: "it's very very very VERY rare", lmfao so even though you yourself had the same thing you still can *EASILY ASSUME its very VERY rare, lol brand loyalty is amazing.

-These are JUST A FEW COMMENTS from the FIRST PAGE, I imagine there are plenty more gems in a post this size. Now in no way am I implying that YLOD is significant as RROD but a quick search on google will clearly show there is a growing problem, http://www.google.com/searc... + plus forums noting the rising problem and some known ps fans here who've had the same problem...whats more is how hypocritical so many sony folks sound in their defence, even when 360 was being bashed heavily -and rightfully so as I admitted many times in past posts my only gripe was that MANY posts were not creditable articles examining the problem= NO it was just daily blogs about 1 guy who's 360 died 5x's...theres not even an attempt for valid research for the 33%RROD claim, simply 1 guy who worked at Best Buy I think, said thats what he believes and its taken as fact on n4g and then even after the repairs and warranty with evidence that the past problems have been greatly reduced many sony folks swear its still an epidemic and all 360's fail in 2 mo, with a 8 week turnaround time for repairs. lol, say what want 360 owners have been called all kinds of things for supporting the console but nobody can say that 360 owners ignored the faulty hardware, they screamed loudly on forums and sites everywhere which is the ONLY reason micro had NO CHOICE but to come out with the warranty....I guess some would rather not talk about it when it comes to sony though.

-Both my ps3 and 360 are working fine however I did sell my first 360 and bought a Elite. Either way YLOD is growing and hopefully sony will step in and take care of its userbase and compensate then for loss, lol but I wonder if I'll see comments about refusing to support faulty hardware, lmfao not on n4g....funny how irony can be so twisted.

JOY

[Dark-vash]

A friend of mine had the laser prob on her bluray drive.
It was a launch 60GB with BC and Sony refused to give support since it was discontinued.

It was still in the 2 years warranty, but the only solution Sony provided was full refund at the retailer where it was bought.

Sony Portugal @ its best!

[swinesucker]

That oft quoted 33% rumor is indeed a lie. Many sources including videogame sites and manufacturers have speculated the percentage of the first couple million 360 units to be over 50%. That 33% percent rumor is a number people hung on to when people were sending back 6-7 systems a piece and taking Micro's word that the real percentage was around 5% LOL. I now about 20 people with xbox's and 17 of them have sent there's in for repair almost all of these cases were from launch or close to launch systems. Until my friends all have a PS3 breakdown I will trust my system. If it did breakdown yes I would be incredibly mad.

YLOD is nowhere near or anywhere close to this magical 33 number and certainly if it were to reach out its gnarled hand to the same number of people there would be a lot more of an uproar and not just on N4g and a couple posts on a forum. Is it a problem?

Sure, but at the moment people should not start panicking unless they have the 60gb and they are mistreating it.

[JokesOnYou]

@swinesucker, The only real attempted research I've seen was from a company called Square Trade which put 360 initial fail rate at 16.4%
http://www.joystiq.com/2008...
As noted in the article even this figure is likely to be skewed because these are likely high usage gamers who sought out a warranty.

"However, as an industry, consumer electronic failure rates over 3 years commonly exceed 15 percent. Like others, we have read the failure rate for Xbox is 30 percent or higher. We haven't seen that yet, but it is clearly plausible that this 16 percent failure rate we see will increase with claims over time." -Squared Trade CEO Steve Abernethy
http://arstechnica.com/gami...

-So according to Square Trade there is no evidence to suggest anything close to 30%....and so what if ps3 failure rate isn't anywhere near "majical 33%", wtf? The point is that ps3 owners who HAVE BEEN affected by a higher than normal failure rate would definitely like to be compensated or does that only apply to micro?

@ tawak, I understand what you're saying but thats no more valid than when random 360 owners say "Im still on my 1st 360", while true it doesn't mean theres not a higher percent of hardware failures than normal.

JOY

[Ldubbz]

We know that the 360 has had some issues, but the numbers have been grossly exaggerated. We also know that it has affected the earlier consoles far more regularly as well. I definitely know people that have had to send theirs in, but its always the peeps who bought it in the first year. Not that that makes the others completely invincible.

But bottom line is MS extended the warranty at THEIR cost, not mine. I sent mine in to get fixed, and I didnt pay a dime. Took about a week and a half, and I got my 360 back. No big deal to me, I dont have to play video games every day, and I dont anyway.

I dont take issue with MS for making mistakes in their manufacturing, these things happen. Especially if they are willing to fix their errors, which they are.

And Sony is no stranger to this. Huge laptop battery recall for Apple, Dell, Sony, many others...Sony-built batteries. DRE. But those are one thing, the worst to me was/is the PSP's bricking. SUre you could brick one by hacking it, but you could also brick one just by removing the battery at the wrong time, which in the hands of kids especially, can happen. Sony did/does nothing. Worst part? Its a simple fix that you can do with a hacker tool, pandora's battery. You think Sony didnt know that the whole time? And they still dont offer a fix.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

It was an onus upon Microsoft to issue a 3 year Warranty after the abysmal failure of its inferior product. The 3 year Warranty will not affect their budget plans but it would only increase labour upkeep which America is in urgent need of.

[tawak]

every electronics will eventually fail
no thing is forever
but unlike 360 which very poor
it terms of longevity
imma 3rd 360 now
and still on my 1st ps3

[A LIVING LEGEND]

Launch 60gig,on an average of 5-6hrs a day,playing games,watching movies,using the browser,stumbling around in home.Few freezes,some blue lights,some green,a few red ones.Never had a yellow,nor anyone I know.I take care of my things,keep them dust-free,allow them to ventilate properly,it's remarkable how 10 minutes of preventive maintenance once a week can extend the longevity of something.I exercised the same care with my 360°'s, unfortunately they no longer exist.I don't doubt that this 'YLOD' has happened to some people,nothing is perfect,however,I doubt that it is as widespread as 'they' would like me to believe.I think that when the clutch in my truck inevitably fails I will refer to it as the 'SCOD'(slipping clutch of death) and use it as justification to begin a hate fueled campaign against the evil Ford empire.Some things are inclined to fail more than others,accept it,move on.

[Ldubbz]

The PS3 is a piece of electronics like anything else, and can fail like anything else. No one is saying that its at the level of the 360 debacle, but there is no warranty here either.

I could see this definitely affecting the 60GB models more. My roomie has one, while I have a 40GB model (with 250GB installed), and his is louder and gets pretty hot, while mine is almost whisper quiet and always cool to the touch.

But thats the risk you run when you get the first model of these machines unfortunately. As time goes on, its inevitable to hear more of this happening. Its not like most PS2's that had DRE happened immmediately either. I just hope I never see the YLOD, because I dont wanna have to pay for a fix.

[gamingparadise]

why all the commotion over ylod and rrod? what really gives? in my opinion, the real news on this site should be on the upcoming e3 09 cuz that's what gamers really want to know about what games are available for them to play. e3 09 approaches as we speak.

[The Pheen-X]

PS3 over 360 anytime