While video game violence is more detailed and gruesome than ever it is generally accepted. However, game developers are still faced with outrageous boundaries that movies and television don't have to abide by.
I agree 100%. It's sad what society has become, religion has had a big part in this because of it's views on sex and sexually explicit things. It's created this view in society of doing anything possible to shield children from anything remotely sexual to keep them "pure". It's ridiculous. It's people forcing their views on everyone else.
I find myself wanting to shout really mean things at people who disagreed with you. EDIT : Ok, I'd at least want to hear what you have to say, disagreers. You WANT to force your beliefs on others?
Violence in games or movies is an illustration. Sex in games or movies is a temptation.
movies and games ARE temptations. Stop reading the Bible for a second and make up your own mind
You're just a little kid so the first thing you can think of is crying about religion and how mommy and daddy don't treat you like a grown up, boohoo. The fact is kids see sex and they want to do it. Hell, if I see sex i want to do it. This happens to everyone. Sex isn't illegal, violence is illegal. People aren't going to go out and kill someone because they see it in a game. Seeing violence in movies and games pumps me up but I'm not dumb enough to do it because it has consequences. To immature children such as yourself, sex has no consequence, so if they see it they'll want to do it. Use your brain instead of crying like a baby.
Sex is not harmful. Violence IS harmful. Sex is one of the expressions of physical love. Violence is THE expression of physical hate. Nobody has died because of sex. Most deaths are because of violence. For me there is no contest, I surely prefer practising sex than breaking skulls. And i surely prefer seeing a beutiful naked body than someones guts or brains splattered around.
let me ask you this, if you have kids under the age of 10, would you let them watch porn with you and your wife? EXACTLY, no one in their right mind would. Would you watch the X-Men or the Hulk with them? Exactly, sure why not. I'm going to assume you're single and is living in the basement like most all other freaks out there. There's a reason why sex ed isn't for 3rd graders vs sex ed for freshman/sophomores in high school. Besides no one should be complaining about ethics and whatever in game. There's a RATED scale E ~ M.
Millions of people have died because of sex.
Dont assume and make exaggerated bias. Comparing porn to Xmen is a bit farfetched. What about comparing SAW to Porkys? I know which one my kids would see earlier in their lives. Porn and extreme violence both are bad for young kids,but that is not the discussion. I believe ratings are for something, and a M game is for adults, but in that same context of adults I prefer seeing sex than seeing blown brains, that is the discussion, why it is ok to chainsaw in half someone but there is a big outcry for a naked body.
Your're kind of going to the extreme on one end of the spectrum and not the other there. I'd let a 10y/o watch people kiss on TV, but not porn. And I'd let a 10y/o watch x-men, but not a graphic violent movie with people getting their heads blown off with a ton of blood/gore.
I just want to throw in my .02. But you guys do realize this is digital nudity, right? Is anyone here actually attracted to polygonal nude bodies? Not that it has anything to do with morals, but I don't see what all the fuss is about. Killing people in video games is fun. Having sex in video games is kinda missing the point. At least in movies they're real. PS. ShawnsI65, I had sex ed in 5th grade, when I was_exactly_10.
And people WONDER why my brother Michael is so screwed up, lol. Maybe they should hold off until like 7-8th grade. But then again, I know 12 yr olds who are getting preggo now-a-days, so maybe younger is better. Or we could keep an eye on our 11-12 yr old kids, thats a good start. :) I dont know if sex in-games would really influence people in everyday life. Then again, the Japs have sex and rape games----and condom vending machine, and used panty vending machines in public. now we do have condom machines in mens restrooms, but its still more discreet than a public vending machine. @velax(below): stroke your wookie? your still doing that? come on, man--me and you are gonna go downtown this weekend and find you something "bang-worthy". First round of drinks are on me! Who's comin with us???
lolwut? Dude seriously, the ratings and describers are on game boxes for a reason. If you're gonna argue that there shouldn't be nudity in video games because OH NOES A 10 YR OLLLD MITE SEE IHT!!!!!11!!!1!! then you can also argue there shouldn't be nudity in movies, and for god sakes we must clean up the internet!!!! It's up to parents to pay attention to what their kids are playing/viewing, they are capable of looking at the box and if they see a descriptor that says "full nudity" it is their choice AND responsibility to stop their child from playing. It's not the responsibility of the masses and creators to censor the creative side for the sake of some children. It's not that hard to monitor your children's activities. On another note, I was taught Sex Ed when I was in grade 5 as well, 10 years old to be exact. It taught me to understand the consequences and risks involved with having sex and I made the conscious descision to abstain until I was absolutely sure I was ready. It wasn't until I turned 18 that I decided I was ready to take those risks, and I had been watching porn for years already. My point is, seeing sex doesn't make you want to run out and have sex, it makes you want to stroke your wookie. @above lol I have a girlfriend so I'm good on going downtown. You can still buy me drinks though!
*sigh* I grew up and had sex-ed during the bush "abstinence only" education era. It was up to me to find out what a vagina was, much less learn anything about STDs. All I pretty much learned in 5th grade Sex Ed was that during puberty your voice gets deeper and you get hairier.
games need to push the envolope rape in games, no way, I do not agree. sex, hell yea, I have sex with my girl every night, so why should violence that I really don't ever do be better then sex. I think you need to take the rape part out and stick with the sex, then your article would be a lot better. however we are held back by christian moms and dads and churches, christians did more rape, more killing then any organization in history. why do you think when they governed it didn't work, cause the book is complete bull and if it was true why did god let he's time in the sun fail so badly. or why is it that god is perfection yet sends people to hell, this is not logical cause someone perfect in any way can fix any thing they want including you . also results show that violent offenders 9 times out of ten have a damaged frontal cortex( THE FRONTAL CORTEX HELPS YOU TO MAKE DECISION RATER THEN TO BE IMPULSIVE) or a delusional problem. we are not any better then the life we see around us, yet we think we are, animals don't seem to met in church, non do. so what's the difference, we can make up stories. thats the difference. stop oppressing the people with your fake story. JUST LIKE THIS SITE, GETTING BANNED BECAUSE YOU SAY THE WORDS THAT HAVE NO POWER OR DOES NOT HURT ANY ONE. EVEN IF YOU BLANK THE SWEAR WORD OUT, THEY STILL BAN YOU. REAL FREEDOM OF SPEECH YOU GOT GOING ON HERE. THANKS N4G FOR FLAMING EVERY ARTICLE IN HERE THEN SAYING YOU CAN'T SAY THAT. YOU START THE BATTLE THEN BAN PEOPLE WHICH YOU HAD PUSHED AROUND WITH THE CONTENT THAT COMES INTO HERE. MAYBE ARTICLE'S LIKE THIS SHOULD NOT EVEN BE IN THE GAMER ZONE BUT THE OPEN ZONE. ANY ARTICLE THAT IS GOING TO START A FLAME WAR FOR THAT MATTER. I WONDER IF THEY WILL BAN ME FOR SAYING SEX, WHICH IS THE MAIN TOPIC OF THE ARTICLE. EVEN BETTER IS THAT THE ARTICLE YOU READ IS EXPLICIT BUT I BET YOU CAN'T SAY OR EVEN TALK ABOUT WHAT WORDS HE USED OR SAID.
Everyday we have someone's morality imposed on us. It is call the legal system. All that is left is whether you like/want it or not. To me "tolerance" is the forcing of secular morality on me, but I'm sure others see it the other way around. Personally, I'm for freedom of speech. If an adult wants to make/play these games, so be it. Still a rape play game is a bit much. I don't advocate child porn either.
nice pic its annoy how they jump on games and blame a murder on game when movies like Hostile gets free pass. WTF
I've never seen a better manikin!
... and it's really time the videogames-industry grows up and gets mature about it. I've been saying this same thing for many MANY years now. I remember a discussion at my old place of work (videogame-magazine), where I got into a discussion with someone who loved shooters. I said if they wanted to make those vietnam-shooters a bit 'cooler', more realistic and 'original', they should include young vietnamese kids with guns in that game as your opponents as well. Make them quicker, difficult to hit, maybe give you moral choices, etc etc. Boy... pretty much the whole office was on my back, that stuff like that shouldn't be in games, that killing kids ain't 'cool', etc etc. Apparantly, they feel killing adults in games is fine, but kids, disabled people, elderly, pets, whatever... well... that's just 'not done!'(!) I also vividly remember the discussions on here when I mentioned that it's a shame that there were no children in GTA4, or on other messageboards where I felt sad that Fable didnt give you the freedom it promised to be a baby-murdering bastard. Now... I'm not saying I hate children or would ever harm them. In fact, I LOVE (most) kids of all ages. However, in games where 'freedom' is kinda promised, you don't want to be 'limited' by that kind of hypocritical censorship. I don't want others to decide what is morally wrong for me to do in a videogame. I always mention the Chick'nKick'n in Fable. You kick a defenseless chicken around FOR FUN!!! And in the game, it IS actually kinda fun. Not even so much the actual action, but moreso the freedom to do that if and when you like. Now, does that make me harm animals in real life? Has it changed my view on animals and how much fun it is to harm them!? Hell no. In fact, I can't even bring myself to squash a spider (I usually put them outside). I feed the ducks in my backyard on pretty much a daily basis. I pet every cat that comes near. I LOVE animals. But I also love being able to do some Chick'nKick'n in Fable. I guess people that don't play games can't understand and thus can't accept the difference between what you do in a game, and how that relates to what you do and how you are in real life. That's a shame, but it will change over time. More and more people grow up with games and see it for what it is: interactive ENTERTAINMENT that allows you opportunities and freedom you don't have in your real life. The videogame-industry needs to straighten up, and act mature. If a game benefits from sex and violence, it should be included. Developers should stop censoring themselfs, and they should stop accepting that others are trying to censor them!
Oh boy do I understand you! Taken straight outta my mouth. People always think we're really violent people. I too never kill insects and love animals. They think we're sick because we want to play realistic and believable games, and those same people are the ones supporting wars. What are they thinking? They don't want us to see it because THEY don't like it? They think they know what's better for us? And what if there are child soldiers in games? This s*** happens in many countries around the world. It's not because we don't see it in videogames that it'll suddenly go away. People who encourage censorship are people who prefer closing their eyes rather than facing reality. They wanna live in their perfect little world and think everyone's happy. Man... I could go on like this forever but I gotta study for my finals. also lol'd at Chick'nKick'n
That's the bottom line. It's life without the consequences, a chance to unleash your primordial id and really go nuts - in a safe, cathartic way. Blowing the crap out of a bunch of pixels really can be soothing if you're having a bad day. Yes, peaceful games can be relaxing too; but if I'm in a bad mood, I wanna blow something up. I don't want to feel tranquil - I want to indulge in mindless mayhem. And hey, maybe I'm feeling a little...anxious, if you know what I mean. Sure, I could just log on to somerandompornsite.com and wax the ol' carrot; but sometimes I want a more immersive experience. You know - without all the real life bullsh*t. We're still talking about fantasies, here. If I ever find a game that'll let me blow up anything AND have sex with anything, (possibly at the same time) I just might fall in love. ..That's the real danger, isn't it? That fantasy will become better than reality, to the point where we won't ever want to return from it.
Yi-Long I know I will get jumped on for this but I don't agree with you. Why should we have killing kids and disabled people be the subject of our pleasure and entertainment? Yes, I am sure these subjects have been touched on in films but how often? It is rare and probably handled with great care when it is touched upon. Timesplitter If you are such a placid person then why do you even care about the censorship issue? Why do you even want to be able to kill a wider variety of "controversial" things in your games? If anything, I think the gaming industry gets away with more than movies when it comes to violence. How many movies have the lead running over prostitutes (or any people) just because he wants to drive where people are? If this was in a movie I think it would be slated as violence for violences sake. However, it is sex in games where I agree that the industry is really behind. We have any sort of sex related theme (Mass Effect?) and there is an outcry as if it is a really controversial subject. This is the area where games industry could really mature.
I'm sorta neutral towards the child soldiers thing... sure I like a little realism in a game, however sometimes too much can take away from it. If implemented properly then perhaps it could actually work, but sometimes there are things I just don't want to see when I'm playing. To me, I few playing FPSs on the same level as going Paintballing or Airsofting, just mindless fun, I don't really feel the need to be traumatized while trying to relax. But like I said before, if it's implemented properly and the story calls for it, then by all means do it, I would simply choose to avoid whichever title it's in if I don't want to see it. I'm tired of the zealots trying to control what we can and cannot see/hear/read/experience because they don't like it. Avoiding it won't make the problems disappear, however if they just informed us if there was potentially disturbing content in something we all have our own free will to avoid it. We shouldn't have people dictating our own choices for us.
In my mind, it's pretty simple : People who are "offended" and complain about stuff are cancers. They reach the very limits of irresponsibility and selfishness. They are filthy beings that make you feel bad even though you're on the good side. They think they can decide what others should be able to see and what they shouldn't. With all this over-protection, they cause kids to become violent and then they blame video games so they can prove their points. As soon as you try to tell them that people should be allowed to see whatever they wanna see, they come down on you with their hordes of over-protective parents and brainwashed conservative people. Censorship makes people become retarded and irresponsible. It makes them think they're in a beautiful world and they just have to follow everything the State tells them to do. It's MY moral responsibility to avoid certain things if I think they're unacceptable. Not the State's, not our parents'. Even playing unacceptably violent games isn't immoral. It depends on WHY you play the game. Games aren't videogames anymore. They're interactive movies. They should be on the exact same level as movies.
I'm sick of this double standard bul** ok so you don't want people to force their worries and discomfort with certain subject on everyone, fair enough but what gives you the right to force your views regarding these matters on those people huh you are basically saying that these people are wrong for assuming that they are right, at the same time you are assuming you are right when you say they are wrong. at least say this is just my opinion and that is their opinion. what I understand from your comments is that you guys just want to force your point of view on everyone, just like what you say they are doing to you. you cant say that censoring ,for example, is wrong , you can say IN MY OPINION censorship is not good. so in this case don't try force your opinion on those who does the censoring , if you make your own stuff feel free not to censor it. (I'm talking in general not about you personally, Timesplitter14) --- in a nutshell (and this is for you Timesplitter14): what you said in the comment above is JUST YOUR OPINION, so don't make it sound as if you are the one guy in this world who figured out the truth about everything and demand everyone follow your ideals.
Wrong Venomish. It's not about the views. It's about our RIGHTS. We aren't imposing life styles on people. While those people are. "They" are trying to impose rules on us, of which we aren't aloud to subvert. "We" don't want any rules. And they can still make up their own personal rules that they can follow freely. And impose on their children, and their children alone. See the problem here? No personal beliefs should be aloud to be imposed on others. We are not imposing anything, unless you count FREEDOM. That is what makes us RIGHT, and them WRONG. We want freedom, where everyone can have their own respective views. While they want to impose their views on everyone else.
look Kakkoii, we can argue the whole day without reaching anywhere for example you said it is about your RIGHTS ok, who gave you these rights?? why do you assume you have these rights maybe there are no such rights, maybe you just think these are your rights in my opinion society is not trying to go over your "rights" it is just trying to make things organized and working at the optimal level. i am not saying I think it is currently succeeding tho, there is room for improvements
The right to choose what's best for you is what I'm talking about. That is a common right among any creature on this planet. No one has the right to tell you what's best for you and your children. But that is exactly what people in power try to do. And it just not right. Sure we need basic rules for the good of humanity. But those are rules that are embedded in everyone genes. (Don't kill another, don't rape, don't steal, etc..) Because we have feelings, we know those things are wrong. Obviously through life experiences people can become null to those feelings and have reasons leading to their crime. But that's beside the point. What we are talking about is people trying to impose their own personal views which they feel are essential to themselves. This is exactly the same as the government saying: "It is now illegal to not be a Christian! Since we believe it's the true religion." That just doesn't hold up. You wouldn't want the government imposing religious views on you, so why are you making exceptions for games and other things?
I just want to say how out of touch this guy seems. With two words he throws his entire credibility out the window, "gaming lables". Does he not know that anyone who is even remotelt offended by anything in video games is because they either haven't read the lables or because they bought it for their kids thinking it is just another toy.
Everyday people are forced to follow someone else's beliefs. You say it isn't imposing somebody's lifestyle, but secular society does exactly that. It tells how to raise our children, what we can eat/smoke, who we can have sex with. If the majority agrees, there appears to be no problem. But still for some it may be oppressive...even wrong morally. For some societies polygamy and intergenerational intimacy are perfectly okay, but they are demonized in the U.S. even by secular standards. Still we force this 'morality' on orthodox Mormons. Venomish is right...you can't make these argument without being complete hypocrites down the line.
srsly, me too Let's go live in an underwater libertarian city and never hear of this outside world again.
Yeah, I dream of a little country where the government is made up of their best Scientist's and Psychologists. People working towards a self sustaining future, not run by greedy corporations. A country that takes a more hands on and interesting approach to schooling, not the sh!tty system we have now. A country where organized religion is finally dead. A utopia of technology, a dream city. I wish I had billions of dollars so I could buy an island and start that kind of country lol.
...we can still get the latest video games n such right? I could play the TON of games I have backlogged, but I still wanna be able to play newer games too! :P
guys, this is exactly what we're looking for. Read on. They wanna try new, less restrictive forms of government on that thing http://www.cnn.com/2009/TEC...
The Venus Project is another big one, that's been around for a lot longer. http://www.thevenusproject....
Ahh k, well call me a conservative church going phobe, but I certainly don't want my children watching porn, violence don't mind as much though. Go ahead timesplitter spill your guts on me. BTW( I don't go to curch, nor am I a christian)
..would you let your child watch porn? o_O The human body and porn are two totally different things. You would rather let your child see someone get their head blown into hundreds of small pieces than a naked human body?(not porn) WTF is wrong with people these days?
hey why me!? Anyway, let me spill my guts on you : 1- How is nudity worse than violence? Please explain, because I find that statement particularly revolting. Taking someone's life is no big deal, but looking at humans is unacceptable? WTF, man? 2- Who told you you had to show this to your kids? Video games CAN be rated M and be sold only to adults, you know. Personally, I'd show these games to my kids only if they asked, and I'd be with them the first few times they'd play it. Just to talk about it and make sure the situation is under control. EDIT : lol @ our synchronized attack
It's up to you to control what your children watch and play. Not the government. It's up to you how you want to bring up your child, not societies.
"It's up to you to control what your children watch and play. Not the government. It's up to you how you want to bring up your child, not societies." ok that is just YOUR OPINION! and in my opinion , if your kids will only live in your house and will never leave it to the streets, then yes i agree that you should be the only one influencing your children, but as long as the children are part of society , society has a right to participate in disciplining them with whatever brings the best outcome to society.
@Venomish: Not all views are equal. Sure, everyone is aloud to voice their opinions, but when it comes down to the facts, the data. That is where opinions become right or wrong. You have to look at the outcome of what such opinions would result in. As a parent, it's your duty to know who your kids are hanging out with, and what their parents are allowing your kid to play at their house. You don't blame the gun manufacturer for creating the gun that your kid found on a street while you weren't watching him. Now do you? Because it's not the manufacturer's fault. The same goes for any other adult materials.
ps92117 - "I certainly don't want my children watching porn, violence don't mind as much though." Statements like this have never made logical sense to me. Do I want my Boy and Girl to participate in a act of violence someday(in the military, as law enforcement, or part of a crime)....NO! Do I want my children to have sex....Yes! How did we get to ware popular opinion finds it more acceptable to destroy another Human being then make another Human. Sex is fundamantal to the survival of our species. So why must we shield our children to sex when it something that will actually be expected from them in the future. Now I'm not say I let my kids watch porn or even that I want them to, but I don't think its all that damaging to them if they stumble across it eather. If you were to tell me that I have to show my kids a movie and my only choices were Hostel or a porno, I would chose the porno every time. Violence is much more detrimental then sex. You can't use the Bible as a excuse eather. If someone ever botherd to actually read it they would know that it says over and over God hates violence and violent people. It never says God hates sex. God created sex and made it pleasuralbe, he could have given men penis bones like every other animal species on the planet or even put barbs on it like cats, he also could have made it so sex only occurred when women went in to heat a certain time of the year. God made sex to be a good thing. He just say you should do it in the right arrangement - marriage. One last thing I have been playing game all my life. When I was a child I played games for kids. But I have grown up, I am a adult that leads a adult life with adult responsibilities like the rest of the adults on this planet. So why can't I have a adult game targeted to me(especially since I hear all the time that my age group of 25-35 is the average age of gamers). I have kids, I wouldn't let them play it, but I would play it because I bought it for me.
that no matter if a game is rated M kids will be able to play them. Idiot parents/grandparents is the reason I believe. Violence is everywhere but sex isn't as common to children I would presume. However nudity is not sex if it's displayed properly. Most of the times it's not though so no wonder they want to cencor it. The reason boils down to idiot parents/grandparents though so is it all OUR fault? What can be done? @Aikuchi "One last thing I have been playing game all my life. When I was a child I played games for kids. But I have grown up, I am a adult that leads a adult life with adult responsibilities like the rest of the adults on this planet. So why can't I have a adult game targeted to me(especially since I hear all the time that my age group of 25-35 is the average age of gamers). I have kids, I wouldn't let them play it, but I would play it because I bought it for me." That is so right and I'm exactly in the same spot as you. I have kids and I've been playing all my life too. WE are not the problem. The other ignorant (and a little older parents) are. Hopefully this thing will grow out as we get older and the stupid ones die but it'll take time.
Correction for above on 4. How could the universe have come into perfection by chance?
well as the biggest structure known to Man, whats more perfect?
Well one thing we can all agree on is that this is a hell lot better than debating about who is having the most fun. Also let me clarify my stance, I certainly would be mad if we couldn't play videogames that are rated M just because some parents are,,, incapable (lightly phrased). All of you have very good arguments. I could decide to add some logic to my argument, but in all honesty I have not build this moral mind frame by contemplating the possibilities and then coming to a conclusion. No, I don't like the idea of my kids watching pornography because I have grown up in a society were anything regarding kids and porn is largely frowned upon. The same society also frowns upon violence, children or no children. However why I dislike pornography more than violence is because I can see my kids having sex, but I have a hard time imagining my kids killing someone. I don't think that by showing my kids violent movies they will all the suddenly become capable of killing and thus ruin their lives.
.... Showing my kids pornography, perhaps 1 time will more then likely have no affect, a second time ahhmm, I can do that, a third time, no by then their chance of becoming somehow hooked are rather high( especially in their teens ), and if they are hooked to porn I don't doubt they will be capable of having sex. So the reason I would rather have my kids watching a violent movie more so than porn, is because of the chances of them being affected in a negative way.
I agree with you. I think it's way more harmfull to let a 12 year old kid (for example) to watch a porno movie than it is to let them watch a violent or horrifying movie. Reasons are as follows: Horror: It makes them scared and gives 'em sleeples nights at most. They'll get over it though. Violence: Sure it makes them more used to the idea of violence but what doesn't I ask you? There is violence in cartoons which are meant for 5 year olds. There is violence in real life and it's always talked about in the news etc. and people (parents and relatives and anyone the kid associates with) always tell how they resent violence and it's a shame that it happens if/when it happens. Porn: Porn on the other hand is a non spoken subject for younger kids and boy would you look at all those POV-movies when girls act like slaves and are hungry only for a good f*ck. There are no headaches and such in these films and the act itself...oh..boy it really is natural isn't it. The way these girls like to vomit and choke a little when they have a guys **** in their throat. They cry their makeups all over their faces and still love every second of it. What is normal in that I ask you? You really think a young boy can grown up properly watching these kinds of videos on the internet all the time? Can you imagine how far the damage reaches in the sexual lives of these kids? Yes. Hands down violence is better for kids if I must choose. Lucky for me I know how damaging both of these things are and I keep'em both far away from my children. Wouldn't want to regret it in the long run.
"When it comes to religion, religion is set up in a way that it cannot be proven, nor can it be truly disproven. Just like leprechauns, you can't truly disprove they exist just because nobody has caught one yet. Doesn't mean there is any reason to believe they do exist. This is why religion isn't open to argument, because the basis on which belief is set is void of reasoning." true. that's 1 reason us logical types don't trust it as far as we can throw it.
Lol, lovely conversation. To add to the argument, in the same way religion can't be proven true neither can't atheism, as one can't become 5 dimensional and disprove the existence of a god, or multiple gods. one can only speculate as to wether one exist or not. This also applies to many fields of science such as string theory, were by it's own definition can't be proven, One also has to argue what proven means, as nothing can be proven to complete certainty wether it be 2+2=4 or 2+2=i2^2, so saying evolution is proven to be true can also be argued. One can say that the mere existence of those bones is intentional for an omnipotent/omnimiscent entity to test the "faith" of his creation, though obviously extremely theoretical, it still can be argued. The only one "religon" that can be regarded as true is agnostic, as for the only thing that we can all argue to be true is that we do not know beyond our own presence the existence that controls us, and we our self can not truly prove our own existence.
Less d*ck, more tit. (I'm talkin to you Lost and the Damned!! lol)
amen brotha, amen!
today for some reason my grandma was yelling at me (i was like 2 minutes late to get in the car for school) but anyway, she ended up blaming my apparent break out of immaturity on video games. Yep, i was apparently mad at her because i play video games. Well i guess thats what happens when you watch fox news 24/7
Lets take fable II for example, when I loaded it up, my goal was to go to the nearest house, and begin my evil deeds. First I would tie up the father, mothers, sister, and brother, then force them all to watch as I raped the little 5 year old boy and girl, and use their mothers blood as lubrication. Then I would do the same to the rest of the family, and slit their throats, all except the little girl, I would sell her into slavery. And the graphics should defiantly be good enough where I could really see the fear in the girls eyes! MAN THAT WOULD BE AWESOME! BUT ALAS!!! I COULD DO NO SUCH THING!!! I WAS PISSED!!! Is that really how you guys think? If you creeps want to fulfill your sick fantasies then you can read some twisted stories online or something. And God have mercy. There are things that are wrong, then there are things that completely cross the line, apparently you people want those things. The person who wrote this article is twisted. Would you honestly want your children to play these games? People actually make these games, and some have a conscience. There goal is to make a game that they are proud of. They are designed to mimic life to a point. I am appalled that there are people out there that are mad because they think they are being oppressed or something because "the man" won't let them play out twisted fantasies in a massively produced video game.
The question is not about what we want to play, damnit. It's about what freedom we want to allow. For example, if I were the dictator of the world, I'd allow marijuana. Why? Because I don't have the moral right to decide for others. I'd never ever take drugs, and I particularly hate those who do, but I don't have the RIGHT to tell others they must do as I wish. That would be selfish. If someone wants to make that sort of game. Fine. I won't play it, but for those who want to play it, it's their own moral responsibility. Not mine. What is it you can't understand about that? Are you so selfish that you think YOU know what's best for everyone? Is that what you think?
Not interested in the game? Don't play it. And who said we would let our kids play an adult game? People should have the freedom to do as they please, so long as it does not harm others. If someone makes a game about having sex with pigs, how the f*ck does that affect YOU? You have the CHOICE whether you want to play that or not. And whether or not you want your kids playing that our not.
yea lets not have rules or any constraints of any kind lets give everyone the full freedom to make, market, and distribute sex games, rape games etc etc... they are free to sell them online and in walmart ..... after all we can just choose not to buy or play them right, right that is the model you want?? that would be EPIC FAIL in my opinion another thought: what gives you the right to control what your children watch or play ? children should choose for themselves.
Care to elaborate on what would be "epic fail" about it? Because it's the same as current drug laws. Making drugs illegal such as Cannabis only makes them a bigger temptation for people. It's the forbidden fruit paradox. In places where Cannabis is legalized, related crime rate drops down and so does Cannabis usage. If regulated, the money is no longer going to the drug dealers, but into the economy. And the government has more control over it. Making something illegal is utterly pointless, because it creates larger temptation. And ultimately, if a person want's something, they will go for it. Legal or not. On the matter of children. Children need guidance, they are your offspring. Their brains are still growing until their late teens. They need to be taught until they can make educated decisions on their own. Parents are free to teach their values/beliefs to their children. But they have no right to be trying to impose their values/beliefs on the rest of the country/world.
I think it is just that we can't fully trust the parents on their children, society has to take part in their education etc not all parents would be like you. not all parents give proper guidance to their children. in your model you are giving too much control to the individual's own decision. it would really great if that worked, but this model just doesn't work in practice. you have to limit people's access to certain things. guns for example, you shouldn't make it too easy to acquire them, you cant just say I'll trust people's honesty that they will not use it to kill others for example. I think your model will be perfect if everyone has good morals but that is just not the case. anyways i really don't want to drag this too much, please think about what i said, and i'll think about what you said
Your right, we should let everyone do whatever the heck they want, crack, ecstasy, and everything else should be sold at you local walmart. There should be local clinics were people can go to commit suicide. Think of all the money the government would save on rehab! Also school should not be mandatory, the parents should decide whether or not to send there kids. While I can see your side of let people do whatever they want, in practice your crazy if you think everything will work out. I pity the people in this country when people with this kind of thinking take over, which sadly seems to be more and more the case.
....and that's just b*tching for the sake of b*tching. These people who cry about how bad games are and how they're pushing the moral limit have no real passion for what they say and do. They have just enough conviction to say something or write an e-mail, and that's only if they know it will get a rise out of you or cause some minor media firestorm. I like how he mentions the ZOMFGWTF!!! moment that Fox News pulled with the Mass Effect non-controversy. The lady who commented on about the game had NEVER played it, nor did she probably even see the scene firsthand. This is a prime example of what I like to call "unpassionate discontent." It kinda goes like this. Person A sees an article about a crime were a game console just HAPPENED to be there. Person A reads the 1000+ word article but sees only three words: "crime", "video" and "games". Person A now has something to do, as they were bored up until this point. Person A e-mails the story to a blog, when it is read by person B. Person B then perpetrates the story by writing a blog, of course enhancing/creating the connection between the crime and the game. News outlets pick up on said blog, simmer and stir accordingly, and voila! Bullsh*t story at its finest! So what happened to Person A? Oh well they forgot about the whole thing once they started searching for free porn.
@kakkoi, hmm talking about genes :P, so i guess don't be gay should be up there too :P... yet... face it: the majority imposes their view, elections are the best example, so while the majority deems this as inappropriate, you'll have to live with it as is.. anyway here's a thought, sex in movies, kiddos can't get in the theaters easily, but if in games, it can slip rather easy... yet this isn't 100 per cent true... finally if you want your wish to come true(sex in games i suppose) get vocal about it, vocal as in true vocal in society(not on forums), make groups/associations(etc) and demand this, when there are enough poeple(your own majority :P) demanding the same thing, you'll get what you want like many others did(e.g. racism against black racism), it won't happen overnight even with a majority but it will eventually will anyway count me out :P... and good luck :P
It is important for us as adults to talk to our kids about sex and they're bodies BEFORE they can learn it from a video game. Hiding it from them is not the answer as then they will make they're own unguided decisions or worse yet excercise things they may have learned in a game. As far as just nudity goes in games(not necessarily sexually explicit) Who cares. If my 8 year old son sees a naked man in a game oh well. I have news for ya. He has a penis of his own. If he sees a naked woman in a game(again not in an explicit context) then who cares. Seeing a naked woman in a game is not going to make my son want to have sex at 8 years old. And on the opposite side of that argument when he is 16 he is not going to be any less interested in the opposite sex because he didnt see it. The point is people that to children of any age benign nudity is just that. Benign. Porn is another story not because of nudity or even sexual acts but because pornography conveys an unhealthy and unrealistic idea of what an adult relationship really is. And its not just sex. Problem is if you DON'T talk to your children about sex from a very eary age the wont know the difference. So if a child does see nudity or sex in a video game it's only a problem if that child has not been properly educated BY HIS/HER PARENTS! I'm not suggesting that everytime there is a nude scence in a game or movie we go "hey kid c'mere n look at this!" But the worst thing you can do is freak out about it. If it happens ignore it and move on. I promise, your kids will too. And if your kids do have questions for god sakes just answer them. http://www.talkingwithkids.... Violence is more of an issue with children in my opinion.
I was agreeing with the article till he brought up killing kids in fallout, and how there is nothing wrong with the rapelay game. To the anything and everything is acceptable guys if there is nothing wrong with these games why not, let your children watch you killing children in games. Or have your wife girlfriend/sweetheart or even daughter watch as you play a rape simulation game, it shouldn't be a problem. If you didn't find the 2 paragraphs/scenario i just wrote at all disturbing, their is something wrong with you. As for the utopia society, if you need a example look at rapture(yes it is fictional) yet more free than any society today and it's people destroyed it. What you call freedom others call chaos, take a look at human history, bigotry, discrimination, racism, genocide and hate, no amount of proper raising, schooling or social conditions will get rid of those traits for good. I don't care if a you take a million freedom lovers(i am trying to be nice) and start a colony in space, you will still run into the same problems you do now. Want to know the thing responsible for the destruction of any utopia, its stares back at you in the mirror as well as countless other mirrors worldwide. The sticking point is where do you draw the line in expressing your freedoms and respecting the freedoms/rights of others. And opinions are never truly right or wrong, those are called facts. God/no god, humans are capable of both good and evil, you can take any data from any study, i'll go by what history has shown, it's alot more comprehensive on just how good or evil mankind can be. Humans need some form of order to have a civilization/society. Cool i am not alone when it comes typing a monster post thx.
on that level I agree. the rape thing is a little wierd. Perhaps one who would find this entertaining on a game might want to push the envelope and try the real thing. But we cant assume they would. I dunno man. I was just posting about the more natural aspects of sex in general not nothing like that. I guess it should still be available to adults by right. but as I admitte in my previuos post kid will more than likely get they're hands on it. So the whole thing becomes a little more difficult from a human rights perspective.
Yeah my posts are usually long too.