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Editorial: Fallout 1.5 Patch and PS3 Expansions

Jordan Lund examines the recent content downloads for Fallout 3, why the PS3 isn't seeing any patches or expansions, and predicts when PlayStation 3 owners will see Operation Anchorage, The Pitt and Broken Steel - in a seperate Fallout 3 "Game of the Year" edition.

Excerpt: "So, hey, you say to yourself, fourteen cents isn't that big of a deal. Until you realize that there are potentially more than a million downloaders. That $0.14 rapidly balloons to $194,600 if all 1.39 million PS3 players download both updates. Even if we're to be conservative and say that only 500,000 people download both packages, that still represents an extra $70,000 to be carried by Bethesda.

In the face of this, there is simply no incentive for developers to release their products for download on the PS3: better to wait and do a "Game of the Year" package or something similar and avoid losing profits and dev costs to what is effectively a "download tax" that is not attached on competing platforms - in the meantime forcing game owners to pay for another full game that includes the extra content."

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Dom63905473d ago

The content is not on PSN because Bethesda has an exclusive contract with Microsoft to give the Xbox and pc "substantial add-ons". Plus the bug fixes that Bethesda give to all version apart from PS3 wouldnt be subject to the download charge. Sony do not put the charge on patches only on stuff off the store so I see no reason why the PS3 version hasn't had the bug fixes.

Eddie201015473d ago

I believe the recent patches to the Xbox 360 and PC versions of Fallout 3 were specifically for the downloadable content, or in preporation for it. So since the PS3 version isn't getting the downloadable content, they wouldn't be getting the patches that pertain to them.

IdleLeeSiuLung5473d ago (Edited 5473d ago )

The only downside to the PSN fee for publishers only affects free stuff such as patches, demos and free DLC.

Paid DLC will just have a smaller profit margin for developers. It might not be profitable enough to make DLC for the PS3 due to the download tax, but it is unlikely. I mean $10 for the DLC, $0.16/GB is less than 2%. I highly doubt 2% is enough to sway a developer from making the content.

Stuff happens behind the scene so who knows, but so far it doesn't appear content on PSN is affected. Just look at the MvC2 demo....

Kleptic5473d ago

this guy misuses the 'incentive' aspect of the PSN though...its not that there is no incentive to release DLC on the PSN...its that there is no incentive to do that on the PSN and on XBL...

Sony will PAY the development cost of the DLC if its exclusive to the PSN...that goes for DLC and games...but won't if the stuff shows up on other services...

but yeah...Fallout is in MS's pants right now...this isn't them shouldering the PSN just because of that 14 cent download fee...but because they are playing 'the long one in the wrong one' with MS instead...whatever...Sony's new reimbursement plan will ensure plenty of exclusive dlc and online games over the next few years, it won't really matter...

Jaces5473d ago

Wish they would've told us this sooner so I could've rather bought the GoTY edition....oh well.

I aint buying the damn game again just for some extra content, forget it. If they want my money, then make a damn patch.

morganfell5473d ago

Let me deflect that morons words back at him. In a GOTY package for a game that isn't close in quality or play to being GOTY, amidst a flood of great PS3 titles there is simply no incentive for PS3 owners to buy.

Immortal Kaim5473d ago (Edited 5473d ago )

Ouch Morganfell, a tad harsh don't you think? Fallout 3 won many GotY awards and deservingly so, the scope of the game is mighty impressive, even if you aren't a fan of the genre.

I still think it is ridiculous that consumers who purchased your product aren't given the full array of DLC to expand their experience, a bit of a kick in the teeth I must say.

UnwanteDreamz5473d ago (Edited 5473d ago )

Very poor math. This arguement is very flimsy and simple speculation at best.

If you are going to make these kinds of claims you need to do the research and find out if it is indeed profitable or not.

You can not make an intelligent statement on profitability without knowing the cost of bringing DLC from development to the PSN store.

When you can show me those numbers support your claims I will take this seriously.

morganfell5473d ago

No it isn't harsh. I and a great many people I know grew tired of going in one building after another, scrapping by on ammo and tons of stupid mutants stomping back and forth. They do not eat or socialize they were just like all the other VAC cannon fodder. Dumb, dumb, dumb. This game is one overhyped piece of crap.

I hardly ever, almost never get rid of a title. I have done it a very few times. This was one of them. Instead of post apocalyptic MAD Maxesque environments we get this:

http://img4.imageshack.us/i...

Tell me someone else saw the resemblance.

Instead of Taarna or the B-17 we get the Captain Sternn episode.

Uninteresting as hell. Hopefully Rage is shaping up to be what Fallout 3 should have been. Actually, Fallout 3 should have been anything except what it was - a blight on the soul of the original and it's sequel.

Immortal Kaim5473d ago

Point taken, you don't like the game, though a great many people would disagree with your statements. Anyway everyone is entitled to their opinion though, so thanks for the clarification.

Lifendz5473d ago

Bubbles up. That's exactly why Bethesda isn't releasing this DLC on PS3. And you know what, it cost them my 65 bucks. Yeah, I was really hyped for Fallout 3. Sounded like a cool concept, I'm RPG starved, and Bethesda isn't known for making short games.

But once I heard that the PS3 version was visually inferior (not by much but still) and wasn't getting any DLC, I opted to use that money and buy something else.

I sorta wish Devs would just make the entire game exclusive if they're going to do this sort of thing.

IaMs125472d ago

He is right that MS paid for this DLC so its exculsive to the 360 just like GTA4 DLC. SO why do people still think PS3 is getting DLC as well? Maybe when ever there contract voids perhaps? who knows.

You bought a great game anyway and it sucks not getting DLC but this is the same thing as say Mirrors Edge DLC that PS3 folks got and so on you know.

MS picked a great game to secure DLC for.

I dont see Xbox only players complaining that they dont get FF13 Versus but every article i see PS3 people bragging about it and i saw Xbox360 players trying to brag about this DLC before but many people blew it off saying who cares its just DLC. Really now, is that fair that they get Versus and the 360 dont, they will buy the game and wouldnt they want their experience lengthened as well?

pain777pas5472d ago

Compared to what we gave them collectively that is nothing. Oh please spare me your whining Bethesda. million alone * 60. What do you get enough money to cover the tab I think. But were not good enough. Bethesda again from my heart to yours.......F^CK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

BISHOP-BRASIL5472d ago

LOL! Don't fell for the flamebait people.

In case you guys don't get it, that Sony DL tax is paid by gamers. It's not like DLC comes for free and publishers have to pay for we play it, they'll just pass on the cost on the price of your map pack and what not...

After all, regardless of platform, you'll have to pay to use the infrastructure. The difference here is that Sony only wants extra money on what we actively DL, the "free" online play and all the rest of the PSN is probably paid within the 60US$ of the games we buy.

While that MS asks the same 60 bucks for game, probably has a cut just as great or bigger than that of Sony (seing how most 3rd parties are making more money on PS3) and still asks you 50 bucks per year on P2P online play.

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OGharryjoysticks5473d ago

Developers include all this stuff on the bluray disc when they release the game - what a novel idea. It's not like there isn't enough room.

Godmars2905473d ago

As far as I know, don't all versions pf Oblivion still have major glitches?

Eddie201015473d ago

There are ways to fix imperfect code, its called a patch, which we are getting for most games these days anyway.

Kleptic5473d ago

yeah Oblivion still has complete game breaking glitches on all versions...all are related to broken quests though...tutorials online show you what order to do certain things on to prevent it...but the main story is...save often, as you could easily find yourself stuck in a quest looking for someone and them not being where you need them to be...

Godmars2905473d ago

Except the PS3 isn't getting them. Is literally being treated as a 2nd class citizen.

Bethesda and other developers reward for certain consumers buying their product...

IaMs125472d ago

Ya true, and Valve is guilty of this as well but for your information about these patches is that they are preparing for the DLC to come. And the one before that was to add something back into the game that was already taking out which the PS3 already had anyway. SO the 360 got the less end in the first place.

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ghostface5473d ago

I thought the charge would only apply to files 1gig and up?

Dom63905473d ago

no its charged per Gig downloaded, so a 800MB file will not cost the whole 16cent

MGOelite5473d ago

ill tell you why the ps3 isnt havent the expansions, bethesda wallets just got a little bit fatter courtesy of microsoft

nefertis5472d ago

Yeah I know, M$ need to invest in first party titles.

grashopper5473d ago

Sony may charge...but I have a hard time believing MS charges them nothing.

PirateThom5473d ago

Nope, Microsoft doesn't charge publishers, they have Live subs instead.

grashopper5473d ago

They take cash from sales though dont they. I thought I heard it was a bit

IdleLeeSiuLung5473d ago

There is no reports MS is charging for content. In fact, they probably encourage people to put content on there. It basically adds another reason why Live is "supposedly" better than PSN and justifies the cost.

Furthermore, there is a good chance profit margins on Live is probably lower due to MS higher cut to subsidize the download. It all works out the same....

Kleptic5473d ago

MS still charges publishers certification fees to put content on XBL...but they don't pay a bandwidth fee...MS thought it would be better to charge the end user that instead of their 'business partners'...

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Looking Back At 2008, An Unbelievably Incredible Year Of Video Game Releases

Huzaifa from eXputer: "2008 was home to the likes of Call of Duty: World at War, Dead Space, GTA 4, Far Cry 2, Left 4 Dead, and many other hits, which is outright remarkable."

CrimsonWing696h ago

I don’t think anything can compare to 2023

lucasnooker6h ago

1998 - the best year in gaming! Metal gear solid, crash bandicoot 3, medievil, half life, ocarina of time, thief, tenchu, resident evil 2, Spyro, tomb raider 3, oddworld abes exodus, banjo kazooie.

It was a different breed of a gaming era. You’ll never understand what it was like back then. The aura of gaming, it was different!

KyRo5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

I second this. Gaming was a lot more varied and fun than it is today. I'm 35 so getting on compared to some here but I got to see all the changes from NES up to now but I've never felt so disappointed in any generation than I have this current gen. I was expecting more from this generation rather than prettier versions of games that came before it. Game mechanics have become so refined that alot of games feel the same and has done for a while now.

Maybe it's time to have a break for a while. I love gaming but I don't feel I get much fun in the traditional sense out of it anymore.

CrimsonWing695h ago(Edited 5h ago)

Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil 2, Abe’s Exodus, and Ocarina of Time are the only things from that list that I liked.

Here’s the 2023 game releases that I personally liked… and big releases that I didn’t care for:

- Dead Space Remake
- Wo Long Dynatsy
- Resident Evil 4 Remake
- Diablo 4
- Fire Emblem Engage
- Hogwarts Legcay
- Street Fighter 6
- Hi-Fi Rush
- Like a Dragon: Ishin
- Octopath Traveler 2
- Final Fantasy Pixel Remasters
- Final Fanatsy XVI (actually ended up not liking this, but it was still a big deal release)
- Baldur’s Gate 3
- Armored Core VI: Fires of Rubicon
- Lies of P
- Mortal Kombat 1
- Marvel’s Spider-Man 2
- Starfield (Ended up hating this one, but big release)
- Super Mario Bros. Wonder
- Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom (I’m an old-school Zelda fan, but didn’t really enjoy this game)
- Alan Wake 2

I mean, honestly I’ve never seen a year of major IP releases like that, ever.

Profchaos2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

Isn't it just a generational thing realistically.

I've been gaming since way back and I some of my favourite games go as far back as the late 80s for me each generation has a year or two of game changing releases one after another before an inevitable dry spell.

I kind of agree gaming had a different feel games hit different because we didn't have the internet nothing got spoiled and you really had to put in the effort to beat a puzzle which could set entire groups of people looking for a solution. But most importantly games were experimental and not as cookie cutter as today even basics like controls were not universal today r2 is shoot l2 is ads garunteed you can't deviate from that in a shooter back then it could of been square, R1 or R1 and circle nothing was standard.

But as time moves on a new generation picks up their controller they are going to be interested in different things that PS1 demo disc with the t Rex blew our primitive 16 bit brains back on launch but to kids today it's laughable.
The new gen of kids coming into to hobby seem to value different things to us there seems to be a huge focus on online play, streamers, gaming personalities, and social experiences, convience of digital downloads. To me I value none of that but that's ok like my parents not liking the band's I would listen to its just the natural cycle.

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Now is the Best Time to Get This Incredible RPG Bundle on Steam

If you are looking for an awesome RPG, look no further. Steam is offering a significant discount on its Fallout Franchise Bundle.

SimpleSlave21h ago

"You can get all Fallout games in a bundle at a significant 20% discount on Steam. Individually, all these games add up to $244.91. With the discount, you can get them all for $195.91. That is $49 less than the original price. Quite a significant discount for such a popular franchise."

😊 😂 🤣 😐 - But why?

Just wait for a sale and get most if not all of it for a fraction of that price.

20% off...lol

Tacoboto20h ago

The games were just on a real sale over the last week or two for the show promotion. Fallout 4 was $10, 3 was $5, NV was cheap as heck too.

So what the heck is this

Inverno20h ago

The original games have been given out for free by Amazon for GOG and Epic, 76 is free now on Amazon if you have prime, Epic has also given out new Vegas for free and 4 has gone down to pretty cheap prices. 194 bucks is a total ripoff when you can get these games individually for less. Don't forget cd keys might sell em for a dollar less at times too. Come on man, us cheapskates won't touch anything near or above 100 lolz

isarai20h ago

Bro that's a ridiculous ripoff are you kidding me? 🤣

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Fallout 3's Reveal Led To Death Threats And Bethesda's First Security Guard

The artist behind Fallout 4’s Deathclaw reveals just how bad things got back when Bethesda took over the series

anast2d ago

People are stupid I get it. No one should feel unsafe,

But I think they need to talk about why they cut so many corners during the development process and why none of their games ever look current. And why they think all of this is okay while they charge full price.

LucasRuinedChildhood1d 23h ago

As much as Bethesda deserve criticism, that's not really relevant to the reveal of Fallout 3 in 2007.

VenomUK1d 21h ago

The default angle Kotaku always go for is to highlight the worst in gaming.

I would’ve focused on the creative.

anast1d 2h ago

The game went downhill at Fallout 3's release. This is when they started to cut corners.

gold_drake1d 19h ago

there is no "but". the hell lol
you dont send death threats, period.

anast1d 2h ago

Usually, you have good comments but this isn't one of them. It just rides the mob. We can do both condemn the actions and not let them use it for other things.

I can say I received a death threat and everyone needs to shut up. People are not honest and will use horrible things to their advantage.

Armaggedon1d 15h ago

Not all games “look” current.

anast1d 2h ago

Their games always look like the gen before it.

Armaggedon17h ago

Yeah, but thats not the result of laziness, incompetence, or a bad engine. Thats what happens with their type of open world games. Its hard for people to find a point of comparison because no one makes games like Bethesda does.

gold_drake20h ago

mh ok thanks, i still think ur wrong in this mate.

anast19h ago

No problem. I'm not here to convince you. I'm only stating an actuality. What your words do if we look at them like events.

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