William Usher of Blend Games discusses why "Blu-ray" might not be the way that the next gaming consoles are headed. The future might be a little more "Star Wars" than you had expected...
That would be crazy
Considering the collapse of blu ray sales SONY has to invest in something. Might as well accept failure to retain that tiny bit of dignity, is what I always say.
Blu-ray isn't dead yet and the article says it can work with the holograph stuff.
Yes but on a day filled with such great PS3 news someone needed something, anything to try and keep a grip on sanity. And pp, we know who you are.
first they said digital distribution, now this, what's next? a laser beam directly to your head?
you'll have to pay a packet for that <9 gig laser compatible head, no worries though. Everything else for that head will be available via dlc
When it launched people complained about BD keeping the price of the PS3 high. Now they expect people to buy an even more expensive technology when the current one has become the standard and most likely will remain so for the next several years? I can't speculate what the Xbox 720 would use for a medium, but I seriously doubt it's going to be holography. Considering that the discs cost at least a hundred dollars each, it's not fiscally feasible.
Read the article. At less than 10 cents/gig, HOM will be cheaper than blu-ray. GE has said themselves that this is geared more towards storage and archival purposes. Given that most devs still haven't maxed out DVD, no devs have harnessed the extra power of blu-ray, I don't know how necessary this tech is for gaming. Go figure Morganfail would try to spin this into an anti-PS3 article. He's the like the annoying chick at the party who makes everything about her.
"most devs still haven't maxed out DVD, no devs have harnessed the extra power of blu-ray" Ever heard of Killzone 2 or Metal Gear Solid 4??? So you must be they guy at the party who talks sh#t about everything else and knows nothing about it
@morganfell; "Yes but on a day filled with such great PS3 news someone " What great news? Promises of betas "real soon now"?
God this website is always riddled with so many CRAP articles with sensational headlines. Holographic Versatile Disc is already obsolete. Blu-ray can already store terabytes worth of data on a multi-layer disc and it will function with existing Blu-ray players. That new DVD produced that holds 100 times more data is also obsolete. Blu-ray will be around for next gen.
So multiple disks and digital downloads were totally fine. Blu Ray was TOTALLY unnecessary. Now, bigger disc sizes is all the rage. When will people make up their minds?
What rock have you been under? MP in Uncharted 2 officially detailed. There hasn't been a more prominent story on this site today. Now where is that ignore button...
Wow, is just amazing how we came from BD is not needed we are damn fine with multiples dvds to BD is OLD tech we need much more space :D. Be real on this, it's not like the 720 is coming in 2020. Now that Blu is industry standard, everybody (including the reluctant MS) will need to adopt the format. I can foresee the widespread use of BDs as a storage medium for games for several reasons, one of them is to control piracy.
First, you have a lot of people acting like Blu-ray offers no advantages for games and that DVDs are just fine, yet we're suppose to believe that game consoles will skip Blu-ray and jump to holographic disc? I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense. The truth is Blu-ray has been useful for some games, but many games this gen still haven't utilized the extra capacity. So, if not all games are even using the extra capacity of Blu-ray this generation, why in the world would games require something other than Blu-ray next generation? Would it make sense for Sony or Microsoft to utilize some other format, when Blu-ray is currently the high-def standard? If Sony's next machine has Blu-ray capability and Microsoft's uses some other proprietary format, it would only be seen as a negative for the MS console and a positive for the Sony machine. Hmm...one console allows me to play hundreds or thousands of high-quality Blu-ray movies and the other doesn't... No, I can virtually guarantee that the 360 will use Blu-ray. At least, it will if Microsoft is smart.
Any assumption that Blu-ray or at least some proprietary equivalent is going to be in the PS4/NextBox is crazy. While all these new disc techs are cool, they are still years away from maturity, and will decidedly not cost-efficient compared to years old tech. For the new consoles to (assumption here) to launch in 2011 or 12, they will have to have final specs laid down next year or the year after. The reason for that is because they need ample time for production and marketing, without having to rush everything to get it out. For instance, the Xbox 360 planning stages started in 2003, with actual boxes coming late 2005, and they still have to rush to get it out then. The PS3 had a similar timeline, but came out a year later because of Blu-ray. The next rounds will also need a large development stage, which means any brand new will not be close to full maturity. And good luck trying to get movie producers to use yet another disc. Any new one could quickly turn into another UMD even if it's initially supported. As for DD, I think it will gradually have a bigger part in the gaming world. But it won't be a main source of delivery for some time solely because of the market. A large part of the gaming population have little to nothing to do with the internet in their daily gaming lives now, and that probably won't change. To force digital distribution on them will more than likely completely turn some off. Not to mention the ridiculously low download speeds in U.S. (which is also the largest market), will make DD practically unusable for many.
1) MS is not in holography technology. 2) Sony, however, is. So even if this article is correct, then yes, PS4 will incorporate holography technology. 720 or whatever, will not. 3) But the article is incorrect, because Blu Ray is already dominant and here to stay for the next decade. If not longer.
"What great news? Promises of betas "real soon now"? " How about the promises of new IPs and exclusive games from Microsoft? Wail til TGS. Wait til GDC. Wait til E3. Wait til Fall.
Whats there to disagree about? Microsoft is not in holography technology. These dumb fanboys talk like as if MS is in every pie and every corner of the world. GUESS WHAT, they are not! MS is a SOFTWARE company and thats all. Granted, they are the largest software company but thats all they do. Write software and programs. Their main business is Windows. They have some small time adventures but thats all. They dont have interests in every corner of the planet. Hell, they dont even want to develop games anymore which is apparent in the direction they took. Sony, on the other hand, is a diversified company which has interests in manufacturing, movies, banking etc. Yes, Sony is in holography technology. MS is not. And how can anyone disagree with BluRay being dominant? Its the only next gen format out there and its already reachable to 1000 GB. 5 years from now, Blu Ray will probably be able to hit 10 thousand GB even. They are here to stay for a very long time. If you arent dumb as brick, click the agree button. The bricks: please do disagree and prove my point.
^"Considering the collapse of blu ray sales" living a dream ? bluray is the fastes selling new format since cassetes
Difference is, we still get the complete perfected game. I must say I can't wait for Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2.
Take a look at what Blu-Ray has to offer. HVD supporting Blu-ray is nice, but its not likely that Sony will jump into HVD format. Its very likely that Microsoft will pick up HVD though and support Blu-Ray movie playback while Sony keeps its Blu-Ray and scales it up to compete in Round 2. 200 GB Blu-Ray. http://www.engadget.com/200... 400 GB Blu-Ray. http://www.trap17.com/index...
lets not forget the TV's y would companies want to switch to a new output format when HD tv hasn't even become mainstream yet?
Although Blu-ray has great capacity, it'll always remain much slower than even the slowest possible HDD's on market. According to many experts, you can never go faster 8X speed with BR (equivalent of about 30X DVD). It is like DVD drives can't be much faster 20X speed because of physical limitation of optical media. And seek times for PS3 BR drive is around 300 ms while HDD's usually have seek time of 10-15 ms (yes, HDD has 20 times faster seek times). I'm not sure how fast is holographic but it's probably much faster than BR. So that could be good enough motivation to use new format for gaming at least.
It's called a recession. Have people forgotten that DVD, TV, and other entertainment sales have continued to decline as well? The article itself is a complete failure since it's based on theory and not fact and doesn't take into consideration our current economic status.
We all know that the only reason people like to dismiss blu-ray because it is Sony's tech. If blu-ray was from any other company the 360 boys would happy with it and Sony boys wouldn't defend it so much. Now they want to get a tech that is really unneeded just because it isn't a Sony product. The only way we would need that is if we will be using Ultra High Def (UHD) with a resolution of 3840 × 2048. If they want tech better than blu-ray why aren't they on the format now? Which is the best available format now. People make no sense
ok standard dvd = dvd 5= 4.7 gigabyte pioneers 20 layer bluray= 500 gigabyte i remember reading about holoraphic disks in the very late 90s early 00 i also recall articles in pc mags about 3d chips, asychronus chips and holographic ram none came to pass im not holding my breath abotu this
Edit wait nvm wrong section lol
lol its okay
After seeing Will.I.Am interviewed on FOX news entirely in hologram, I couldn't help but imagine Final Fantasy 27 in hologram form. *sarcasm*
I havent even heard of that format
It's not a format yet.
Im a MBA student.. I had a technology management research last year about BLU-RAY and storage media future (I predicted that blu-ray will surpass DVD market share in 2010-2011) and about Holographic Discs.. I had a complete research about that too.. companies like SONY or other optical drive devs can make a combo player for Blu-ray and Holographic..(it means Blu-ray will stay alive like DVDs right now!) so Holographic (with more storage capacity, and ULTRA fast data transfer about 1Gb/s reading speed) will be the next gen format for DATA and GAMEs , BUT blu-ray with near same storage(but with more layers) will stay for MOVIES (for movies you dont need that Holographic like speed) .
fact is, if this does go the distance...it will probably be going on the market about the time BlurRay is due to be replaced anyway. Thats years away, as is the next gen of consoles.
That would be the right thing for Microsoft to do with their...uhhh... (insert flamebait noun here).
I'm ready to see Red Rings of Death in HD hologram form.
@RKRigney I'm ready to see blu-ray be a thing of the past like the last place failing ps3.
Why do xbox fanboys want to see blu-ray fail? Why do xbox fanboys want to continue using DVDs for another 10years? Beyond pathetic...
like someone said above. They feel that blu ray isnt needed and dvd is fine....until something else comes along with an idea that it may compete or replace blu ray then they lord it and prey it comes true...sad...sad. I laugh at them. Its like they'd prefer more upheaval in the format wars despite the fact that some were against sony for bringing a new one in in the first place. They're whole ethos towards sony's format wreaks of hypocritical jealousy with no real benefit AS they said they/HD games didnt need 'poo ray' Keep hoping u cretins;)
@ The Dude... That was a pretty bad come back. You might as well of just said "Oh, yeah?!" Granted, it was a cheap shot by RKRigney, but you knew there had to be one comment about it in this thread. ;-) Look, as others have said... it's sheer hypocrisy on the part of Xbox "fanboys". Non-fanboys will admit that Blu-ray is better than DVD-9. Hell, HD DVD was better and I think it's too bad that MS just happened to choose that tech over Blu-ray. Just think where the multi-plats might have been if BOTH MS and Sony had used Blu-ray to begin with... This tech is a "wow, that's a neat idea" thing, but it won't be available anytime soon. It'll be REALLY interesting to see what format MS takes for their next console.
bluray is the past. This is the Next Gen for god sakes. Wake up SONY.
I can't tell if you're being serious or not. I hope not.
No one is going to buy a new system or new format for many, many years. Our economy is in the hole and there is no way people should be talking about the "next" system. Your comments are not well thought out.
"bluray is the past. This is the Next Gen for god sakes. Wake up SONY." Let me fix that for you: "DVD-9 is the past. This is Next Gen for god sakes. Wake up Microsoft." :) See, I can play your little game too "Popcan".
You can't play pp's game. He only has 2 bubbles.
This has to be sarcastic. I'll give him his only agree, in the assumption that it's sarcasm. Hmm....
...What is DVD?
DVD9 is a old Greek piece of crap. thats what dvd9 is
WOW, all I can say.
Xbox 3, maybe PS4, hell no!
i think mircosoft will crap out of the console wars b4 sony does.
I still think that the next set of consoles will utilize a physical medium. I just don't see it taking off. Most consumers bought an HD designed for 1080p awesomeness. If there is any equipment that is needed for holography, which I'm sure there will be, it'll be pretty damn expensive. I just don't think it'll be able to penetrate the market as a viable 'upgrade'. Physical medium FTW!
If this is true... "What is real?" "If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain"
If I die in the game do I die for real. lol
Yeah, Right! Like M$ is going to spend money on this new technology! Xbox 720 will still probably be on DVD...
More like sony wont be using new technology you guys are stuck with the failing ps3 tech in the ps4.
9.1 What does the ps3 scare you that much, you have to attack every chance you get and you called me a butt hurt fanboy, look in a mirror dude. And guess what the next ms console will use the same failing hardware(not rrod) it currently uses only higher specs(just like the ps4 will) and a higher capacity optical media, this should not be a surprise to anyone. I can play the same game you do you insecure 360 fanboy, the difference, it is a waste of my time, maybe if you were a gamer i could actually take you seriously. Funny how that failing ps3 tech has produced, many quality multiplatform games and several kickass exclusive games, just as the 360 has several good exclusive games and the multiplats. The ps3 is in last place and this somehow makes it less if a console, yet it still has alot of quality games on it. The wii is in first place and by several wii owners admissions, they aren't drowning in a sea of quality games.
I play alot more games than you guys that post every 20 mins of everyday 365 a year. Loser :P
DUDE.....your posting to stop and think for a second this makes a loser too Whatever happen to intelligent xbots like GiantEnemyCrab
Well I hope the PS4 gets more then 256MB of XDR RAM to run it. It would be nice to have 10GB or we can really dream and have 1TB of XDR RAM
You dont need that much RAM. The most you would ever need even 100 years from now would be 4 to 5 gig. Just look at all the things Sony is doing with 256*2 RAM. Just look at Heavy Rain and tell me we really need anything more then 2 gigs of RAM.
I disagree with both of you. @ Aikuchi: The PS3 has plenty of RAM. It has 256 in one place, and 256 in another place. The CPU has access to a TON of RAM in comparison to its current generation brethren (read: the 360). And the GPU has access to all of its own RAM, AND the CPU's RAM, therefore, it's essentially got access to up to 512 MB, the equivalent of the 360's GPU RAM. It opens a lot of doors for developers to get the resources they need, they just need to have the logic and the skill to get it. Lazy coders won't have an easy time making cutting edge games on the PS3, but I think we've all seen that skilled developers who put in the effort are able to produce the most cutting edge graphics on consoles. and... @ DragonWarrior: Bill Gates may never have actually said "No one will need more than 637 kb of memory for a personal computer." BUT, in response to the question of whether he ever said that quote, he DID say: "I've said some stupid things and some wrong things, but not that. No one involved in computers would ever say that a certain amount of memory is enough for all time."
More RAM is coming. Likely 2-4 GB will be in each of the next consoles. More than enough for anything.
The first downside that comes to mind is yet another standard change. I'd imagine it'd be rather hard for a new format to yet again come about, especially when the current market hasn't even fully embraced HD video in general. This would definitely have to be some years down the road.
already have a partnership with InPhase Technologies,it was rumoured it was for a wii Hdd. http://www.totalvideogames.... Nintendo could use it to look into holo disks,or even a 64dd cartridge system again.It could allow the recording of games to a disk after a digital download. I'm sure Sony/Msoft have already looked into this,but for Sony it could depend on how much capacity the can get from Blu-ray, Pioneer said they have 500gb Blu-ray,and have no doubt Sony will loook into matching or exceeding that. http://www.reghardware.co.u...
Oh yes, like we need to see a last-gen looking version of Wii Fit on a 500GB holo-disc. jk But seriously, what use would Nintendo have for such a large capacity format if their graphics are going to be a generation behind?
"This isn’t particularly new news, given that holography has been around for ages. However, what it is new about these findings is that they can use holographic optical media to maintain data storage equivalent to 100 standard DVDs." I'm no tech pro, so maybe thats why I never heard of this holographic media?! and its been around for ages he says? and yet, the highest data storage I've heard of thus far is blu-ray, also high definition has only appeared recently thanks to hd dvd and blu-ray right?!?! So my question is, if blu-ray already bypassed this holographic media(since its been here for "AGES" with 100x dvd capacity they say), why would sony and micro go back and dig up this technology for the next gen consoles? "given that storage capacity would no longer be a pang for developers." Like developers need all that storage... from what I hear, if true blu-ray is only using 1/4 of its full storage capacity since I hear it can reach 200g max capacity and these days most games still barely even use 25 gigs! so I'd say blu-ray is gonna be here for a long time...
"also high definition has only appeared recently thanks to hd dvd and blu-ray right?!?!" not exactly, i can get HD out of my PC to my 1080pTV for all my PC games and i don't use a blu-ray/HDDVD, these are just mediums for the data to be stored
Xbox 720 will use VHS tapes... :D
has never been used for video games, that I am aware of, you would have been better off saying that it will use the original floppy disk...or something of that sort.