TOKYO - Nintendo admitted Thursday that its hit Wii video game console was going through its toughest time yet in the competitive Japanese market, but it said there was no plan to cut the price.
Of course not, Wiisports2, MH~3, DQ, and then some... Why would they lower the price they are few steps away from a goldmine.
Monster Hunter is not a guaranteed hit on the wii. It may be as big as the portable games, but it may not be. Pokemon springs to mind, and Monster Hunter on the PS2.
@Sidar I really want to see how much MH can push Wii sales. MH has been successful on the PSP cause the social aspect on it, I mean Adhoc game parties, Will the Wii version feature that? Wii first two year sales were explosives, 100+K units/week, right now they never go beyond 18+K, that is around 10-20% MAX initials sales. WiiFit (hugely popular in NA and UK) is barely on the top ten with 2+million units sold TOTAL. My theory is that MOST people interested in the Wii already got one and even big releases as MH couldnt push Wii sales beyond 30K/week.
Well lloyd_wonder if MH3 doesn't do it then dragon quest X will. I'm not hearing people complain about Dragon quest yet many are complaining about FF13 on the HD consoles. We are also talking about japan here. They are surely waiting on games. Nintendo has to get other types of games out there or better yet let others get their games out to the public which is what it seems they are doing right now as nothing has been announced. When that happens people will stop buying because most gamers buy on anticipation. There are games in the works but I'm not sure the public knows them all. In another note the PS3 is beating them by what amount. In the grand scheme of every thing those numbers are not looking all that strong either. You can prop them up with OOOOOOOOOHHHHH the PS3 cost so much and it's still selling. Well hell I still have a job and if I want to get a HDtv today I could but every one else probably can't. Hell lots of people can not even afford a normal tv right now! So think about that before you spin this to seem like the PS3 is going to come roaring back in a friggin recession! Hey but if you want to believe this then go ahead. It would be a great thing and very inspiring if that very thing did happen, you know how the Wii became a success over night even with the industry basically waiting on nintendo to die?
Pink, Teal, Green, Orange colored Wiis are coming anytime now
Wii.. I got one but I haven't even seen it over 1 month, let alone playing on it.
No time because there are too many good games for the other systems. I only turn the Wii on to get rid of the blue light that means you have a new message!
I gave mine to my friends kid.Wii is not my thing..
It's been about a year since I lend it to him. I played it when MadWorld was released. The game is fun but a bit short. After that, I haven't touched it since.
For those who has the Wii, does the VCON justify the Wii? Couse I want to buy one just for the retro games since I love the classics. Is it worth it or am I doing the worst deal of my life?
Pretty good selection. I like the Sega Genesis offerings. It's also nice to be able to basically pause the game and resume it at any point in the future, even after turning off the Wii. Many if not most of the older games didn't have a battery in the cartridge so you had to finish the game in one sitting or leave your system on for days. Toe Jam and Earl comes to mind. Now I can play it anytime and pick up right where I left off. A lot of the games are available in compilations on disc for PS3 and 360 now which is a much cheaper way of picking them up. If you prefer a la carte, though, it's hard to beat the Virtual Console.
"For those who has the Wii, does the VCON justify the Wii? Couse I want to buy one just for the retro games since I love the classics..." I'd be hard-pressed to condone buying yourself a Wii if your primary basis is for retro gaming. If you're into that kind of stuff, you may want to look into using your PC to run emulators among the likes of MAME (arcade), NESticle (NES), Gens, Project64 (Nintendo 64), PCAE (Atari 2600)...and virtually any other console your PC (or PS3-installed-Linux???) is able to handle; the emulators are out there for virtually every console you can imagine. Matter of fact, if you're really feeling brave: There already exists an emulator for the Wii which goes by the name of Dolphin...and yes, WITH Wiimote support. Needless to say, it's generally deemed illegal to possess and run ROMs unless you own the original game...which I'm sure you likely already do. Emulators are SO much more superior and versatile than the virtual console. And the price Ninty charges for each individual Blast-from-the-Past is on-par with a lot of leading-edge, current-gen quality stuff you can get off of PSN. If I had to pay Nintendo for the hundreds of ROMs I'm running off of emulation - for which the original cartridges I already own, BTW - I'd be flat broke. That said: Until the recent release of MadWorld and HOTD: Overkill, my Wii's been collecting dust almost since I bought it at launch. Thankfully, MadWorld has breathed new life into the unit, but every time I make a commitment to turn it on, my shiny PS3 winks at me and easily wins me over time and time again. I'm hoping that the upcoming Motion-Plus add-on will help to whet my appetite for Wii gaming...but for the past two years it's pretty much been a paperweight. Strangely, I don't regret having purchased it, and haven't been able to get myself to sell the damn thing despite my reluctance to play it.
Torch emulators are buggy and are coded by people that actually state on their sites that if you get a virus or if your id is stolen then it's not their fault. You are running a program that can run alter roms which means they can also be hacked to run guess what worms, malwares, trojans, and then on top of that lord help you if you get caught with 2,000 or even a 2 roms you don't own. Yeah they don't put a lot of people in jail for that but just remember every thing does not make the news. Also if some thing happens to the game you own it and can redownload it and actually use the real controller in most cases. I'm sure you don't really care if people go to jail but another thing is most emulators can not even play stuff like mario kart, star fox and other select games correctly, while they run perfectly on the Wii. Do your self a favor and download a bunch of emulators and a few roms, in 2 months your PC will start slowing down LOL. Soon your drive will be corrupt, also burn those games on a disk too and keep trying it. You will get the same results because you are actually running the program LOL rather than it high jacking your system. You ever notice that norton can not stop any thing packed in a game rom, we actually tried it out! It is simulating thus faking another system. I mean if that sounds secure to you then go right ahead! If you actually own the game it would be nice if nintendo or some one offered some form of in store credit for the physical trade in but that's not what the elua agrees to most of the time.
@Scissor_Runner I've been running emulators and ROMs for over a decade and I've yet to encounter a single virus, trojan or any piece of malware. Sure if you go to sites that are less than reputable, then expect to encounter such things. Go to cleaner, more reputable sites and you'll never have a problem. I couldn't buy a Wii just for the virtual console. Emulators are far superior as well as having better graphical filters that dramatically clean up graphics and things. Hell, MAME alone is a reason to run emulators so you can play all those classic arcade games. If you want to use a controller, simply go down to your local Best Buy or Radioshack and buy a PC controller. Emulators support them fully and you can customize the controls to suit your every whim. I've also never encountered bugs or problems when running them. The ones that have the bugs, are the ones that are the most untested and unupdated. Also the newer emulators like PCSX2 which is a PS2 emulator is hard to run because of the unique hardware architecture of the PS2 and it's hard to simulate that in a PC environment. Old-school console emulators like ZSNES (Super Nintendo), KEGA (SMS, GG, Genesis, Sega CD, 32X), and many others are very stable and perfectly reliable. Hell, KEGA there can even run Sega CD ISO images flawlessly. There really is no reason not to use emulators if you're looking to play old games. If you have a Wii already, then by all means feel free to download the games from Virtual Console. But if you're pondering a Wii just for the VC, I really wouldn't recommend it.
" But if you're pondering a Wii just for the VC, I really wouldn't recommend it." But is it legal? nope. I think thats what lots of people will be bothered by. Sure all of us must have pirated some games, but not everyone is wanting to go that path forever.
SaiyanFury I will see you on the news! OK it's not legal. Do you really want to be in jail with that beast MadeoFFwithyourmanhood? Sweet you found a rom site with clean roms what is the address. What is your game id for the PS3 and xbox also? You got an email? You don't have a xbox mod do you? Plus you probably don't see the difference in your system any way with malware running. That's the whole point of it LOL. You are not supose to see it running. So you got mario kart running on znes? Never mind I got the real one now. Oh yeah so what do you currently have running on your emulators? You know I make my living making game content right? Yeah don't bragg about that stuff ok peope may come after you. Midway is short on money right now!
"Do your self a favor and download a bunch of emulators and a few roms, in 2 months your PC will start slowing down LOL. Soon your drive will be corrupt, also burn those games on a disk too and keep trying it." I can't figure out whether you're irrationally paranoid, or trying really, really hard to scare us away from ROMs. Sorry, but I'm not sold, as I've been running emulators and respective ROMs for at least fifteen years without a hitch...and shall continue to do so. @sidar: "But is it legal? nope." I object. The following link should be 'nuff said on the matter of legalities; interpreted it as you wish: http://www.associatedconten...
@ scissor_runner I don't see why you're getting all defensive. I also own the original Mario Kart, I've had it for something like 15 years now. Obviously, you're not a proponent of emulators, so why would I divulge information like clean sites? I never said ROMs were legal, but the vast majority of old games nets old publishers zero revenue. That's if the publisher is even in business anymore. And yes, I have Mario Kart running just fine. I don't think I have a game that doesn't run properly. Obviously, you're against them, and I'm for them. We both have a right to our opinions, and neither of us will change the others' mind. As for the whole malware thing, I have very effective countermeasures against things like that. I'm a computer tech and have a very good knowledge about things like malware. And as I said I have yet to see a single piece of malware through multiple kinds of thorough scans. The stuff I get is clean. I have complete faith in my sources, and they've never let me down. If I've had malware in the past, it's never affected my PC in any visible way. I run 3DMark06 all the time and routinely score into the 19000 range (that's very good BTW), so if malware is slowing down my PC, it's sure doing a poor job of it. And no I don't have a modded Xbox 360, it's perfectly legal. I have a custom firmware PSP for ROM playback but I also have a fully up to date PSP that stays updated with the latest firmware so I can keep buying new PSP games. I don't take ANYTHING that takes a sale away from a company. The games I play are anywhere from 10-25 years old and no company that I'm aware of makes any money from lost sales from using ROMs. I can buy a new copy of 7th Saga on eBay from a collector, but ENIX will never see a dollar of that sale because that game will have already have been purchased by somebody else and ENIX will have already made it's money at least 15 years ago. @Sidar Fair enough, some people are concerned about the legal issues. I just realize that the vast majority of old games out there no longer net any companies any money anymore so I don't consider legal issues valid. Just a personal outlook. @Torch 2.11 Amen to that brother. I've been running them for well over a decade now and will no doubt continue into the future.
SaiyanFury do you own an HD console? How long do you think sony has before it's hacked? Nothing is uncrackable, also a rom can easily be made to duplicated data on a blu ray disk in the same manner that developers have to take 6-9 gigs and copy it on the slow blu ray to reduce seek times. Yes I am against emulators and roms they are worst than used games. You are right to say enix should have gotten their money for those games then yet wrong because it's still their game. Now this is why all HD games have online play because you have to go to the server most disk have the ids coded or scripted to the disk. It's cool you found "clean site". Another thing is the emulators break the experience since you can cheat more. Hey but most gamers like this because they only want the story. I see your side and mine. Seriously the gamers will make their own choices and if they really do become hard core they will won't an experience closer to the real thing. Believe me I've played most of the emulators and the funny thing is the Wii emulator is very close to mame expect for the other stuff it does. So far I have had ) problems with it and it's games, frame rate wise etc. Every thing is there and just the way I remembered it. Let agree to disagree ok? You want get a person who makes their living making games to agree with you on this ok. We work pretty hard on these games.
I'm 50/50 when it comes to liking the Wii, but one thing that really annoys me is that while people will argue about whether the 360/PS3 are value for money (given that, up until lately, both were sold at a loss to their respective companies) the Wii has been making Ninendo a tidy profit since day one i believe, and is now making even more money per unit sold, yet they keep the price the same (or raise it in some places) and they get away with it. Yes, its great for Nintendo that they can sell Sand to the Arabs, but surely people should be looking at them and thinking 'hand on, you ripping us off a little here'
Lots of companies do it, you think Apple has such price because of the hardware or software? Its a bizz, they only have a reason to drop a price IF sales are slowing down. Yes this article indicates that, but once Wii-sports resort or any other japanese game hits their home town it will sell off the shelves again. Its a bizz, no one should be surprised by it( and no I do think a Wii for a lower price would be good for consumers)
It not a bad thing if people actually want your system. No one is forced to buy it or they? This is not a phone service and nintendo does not have a monopoly. Lots of people are fine with the price and they think it's affordable. Like I'll buy a $2,000 vid card for work just to have open GL and have the same card at home minus openGL for $200. To me and the amount of money I make from having along with added speed that card has helps me see a great value of it. People are buying the Wii and getting what they wanted for the most part and more people buy it for the same reason. I don't think many people are disappointed with the system since it is still selling. I'd image it would be easy to sell a Wii to some one after letting them play it which is no the case with an HD console, even at it's lower prices due to key HD console things missing. I don't agree with HD console prices or apples price why because I don't want their products. If I need a stylish MP3 player I know what to get or a blu ray player, There is no hesitation. Right now my PC is more of a console than the HD consoles. That is a problem to the other hardcore gamers waiting to join the HD ranks.
Sounds like a new color is going to be released!
And a camera stuck on there somewhere.
what really annoys me is dat they are making millions from wiiifit but not spending it on make quality games for hardcore or online shooter fans. they will nvr get my blessing but they certainly have my luck!!
thing is : why would they invest more money for people who -are teens and think nintendo = for kiddies -a niche market (people who define themselves as "gamers" are a minority) -let them down for 2 gens in a row (N64 and GC had a solid library) -cry and throw fits about "nohardcoregamesonthewii& quot; and will pirate anything remotely good anyway (NMH/madworld) nintendo survived impossible odds. before the release of the wii you would see people betting on which company would buy them out. now it's a different story. the only sad thing is that the old nintendo fans feel left in the cold (i sometimes do, and that's why i got a PS3/360) and i guess the next E3 will prove them right :(
Business isn't about coming first, it's about making money. If Nintendo are happy to make a ton of money and have lower sales that their competition (and still be millions ahead), are they losing anything? No, of course not. Business is about money, not beating your rivals.
exactly...but people buy into all the BS nowadays... you get bubbles for that one..
true but dis generation may come back to haunt them if they ever decide to go the hardcore route again!
Nah...they'll just put out a new Super Mario title and a Zelda and the hardcore base will come running back.
What captain tuttle said loyalty is also a double edged sword
after seing wat sony and microsoft has to offer to d hardcore crowd i think some nintendo fans will think twice before buying the wii's succesor on day 1.
i admit i'm a pretty hardcore nintendo fan (20 years of playing vidoe games under my belt) : all they have to do to get my purchase is give us : a wind waker follow up or -a new f zero -a new 2D metroid/even a 3D one -a sequel to mario galaxy -a starfox game they are currently sitting on a mine of franchises they can revive at any time but today it makes more sense business wise to release more wiisports.
but.... E3 isnt here yet and Nintendo has some things in store for its gamers. Dont forget that MH3 and DQX are Wii exclusives and will be automatically killer apps. Not to mention if Nintendo releases another SMG and/or Zelda then its checkmate. PS3 recent Japanese success revolves around RE5 and the upcoming FFXIII demo. Sony has to keep pumping out games in Japan to keep the momentum.
they may be few in numbers but they are there. Remember hardcore games dont equal GUNS, Boobs and cursing.
I agree with the whole idea of your post...but the Wii only has about 5 games worth playing right now...imo anyways... but people seem to think that a hardcore game has to have a mature rating...I mean on my PS3, some of my favorite games are on the PSN and are just fun and challenging...
Japanese gamers generally have specific gaming interests, the wii hasn't really been offering those games, microsoft's mistake is that they are assuming all japanese gamers like is JRPG's. Sony have more of an understanding it seems, while they are working on getting more JRPGs out, but they also have other games like yakuza 3 which are huge over there in japan.
i think a price cut for d ps3 in japan will stop any wii AAA games anounced at e3. also i dont think mh3 will b huge on wii at least not in japan.
Nintendo Should do the following Wii with HDMI 720P output DVD Playback drop to 199.99 They will be rolling if they do that
lol, some people think that Monster Hunter will make the Wii sell 100K weekly again, lol. Not gonna happen, the Wii is a double edged sword for Nintendo. The soccer moms, old folks and pre-teens that fell for the console are Nintendo's biggest market, they don't give a rats ass about Monster Hunter, they want wii fit 2 and wii (insert generic physical activity). And even those people aren't playing as much as Nintendo would want them to according to Nielsens report yesterday, which stated that the Wii was the least used console of the three while 360 and PS3 were basically at a tie. So yeah, the console is basically dead, they had a good run but its over now, people have moved on.
Personally, their report can't mean sh!t. They are gauging the relative use of the wii from 17,000 households. Not just the wii but all consoles are sold across 5-6 continents. SO it does not give an idea of how its used around the world. Any console for that matter. Two, both the 360 and ps3 have dvd or bluray playback. Isn't it possible that when they recorded how long each system was on they recorded these people using it for purposes other than gaming. COnsidering the wii does not feature that it was used the entire time for pure gaming reasons. The 17,000 households at BEST it is representative of the usa. Another thing you forgot and other websites forgot to mention is that they also mention ps3 and ps2 usage is trending downward for the year with the xbox while the 360 wii and gamecube usage are trending upward. SO people are using the wii more and more. Monster hunter is big in japan and considering there was a 4 hour long line the minute the demo stations opened up at tgs, i think its going ot have a big impact. It will sell the system to those who want monster hunter. First monster hunter g comes on april 23 with the tri demo and then in the summer you have wiisports resort and monster hunter tri. Then you also have square bringing out final fantasy crystal beares and that may or may not make an impact followed by tales of graces and samurai warriors 3 from koei. ALso the gundam game from namco in the summer. Those might help sales I think. Also, if i remember the nielsen report has never been worth poop.
The Wii gets a lot of use in my house because I have kids. But I like it too, I just don't play it as much as my PS3. I like to play Mario Galaxy from time to time (still don't have all the stars), Zack and Wiki, and Okami. But R2, KZ2, COD4, RE5 are keeping me too busy to play the Wii a lot. I am looking forward to The Conduit and maybe Tiger Woods 2010 if it has motionplus.
Try to follow me on this one. ""The speed with which people get tired of any new entertainment is faster in Japan than in overseas markets," Iwata said." So the Wii launched in 2006 and people are tired of it. As it happens, the PS3 also launched at the same time, but it appears people are not tired of it, since it is experiencing a sales growth. This is despite the fact that Nintendo think that people would rather go for the new ideas rather than rehashed technology. Doesn't seem to have worked does it? Maybe people aren't tired of the entertainment. Maybe they are tired of the lack of it. I haven't seen a good game on VC forever. I haven't played a good game since Disaster Day of Crisis, or No More Heroes before that and online services are non existant next to Xbox live, or even PSN. Maybe now the hype has died down, people are tired of the sh1t graphics. I remember the old Nintendo. The NES rocked, the SNES was ahead of it's time, the N64 had awesome hardware and the GC was capable, but crippled by it's small discs. Now we have this sub par machine, that doesn't even do HD now that HD is all the rage. People are buying HDTVs and the Wii looks worse on them than an old TV - and it's still looks sh1tty on an old TV! Excuse me if I sound anti-Nintendo. I have been a fan since 1991 and a loyal one with good reason. Up until the GC everything was fine. We got what we wanted, although in small doses. Now all of a sudden we get substandard graphics and an influx of casual games. The reason people went with N64 over PS1 was because they wanted quality over quantity, but in this gen, the Wii is the PS1 (complete with rubbish graphics). You know what? We all watched E3, and I was fecking embarrased to come into work the next day with my Xbox buddies jeering at all the casual crap Nintendo had. That was when I threw in the towel. Also, how they can justify a console using 2003 technology, half a gig of flash memory and a remote control against a HD console with half a gig of RAM, 60GB HDD and a substantial control/online service is beyond me.
" Also, how they can justify a console using 2003 technology, half a gig of flash memory and a remote control against a HD console with half a gig of RAM, 60GB HDD and a substantial control/online service is beyond me." But then again, how does RAM matter to the consumer? Mentioning that is kinda...nonsensical. Now I do wonder, if you dont justify a console by its hardware, and as we all know, the audience doesn't seem to give a crap about it, its maybe the software that tickles these people? Yes yes it lacks a huge library of good games, but if Wii-sports motivates these people to get a game like mario kart, something that doesn't look anything near a PS3 or 360 game, wouldn't that just say its not about hardware in the first place but actually software that appeals to these people? Also lets not pretend Wii doesn't have any good games at all, yes its lacking in lots of departments, but they are there.
i just heard this on the news, apparently nintendo(wii & DS) is/are still selling like hot cakes, so no need for a price cut they said.
i think sales will pick up a little after wii sports resort is out, but i dont think it'll pick up a ton. That is unless the game is packed in with the wii, which im not sure if it will be or not. As for mh3, weren't those games huge in japan on the psp? I've never known them to be huge in North America, i actually only know one person who owns a mh game. Like i said, i could be wrong about the game being huge in NA.
Well, in all reality when it comes right down to it the Wii will definately be remembered one day as where the 360 will be easily forgotten. I mean what will be remembered about that console somewhere down the line? It was faulty and had the the most hardware breakdown problems of all consoles? Comedy.
it will be remembered for FPS, since thats all the 360 has :P
i'll be the first one to admit that the 360 has it's faults. I haven't bought one nor will i because it's not reliable (RROD). However, the 360 has paved the way for console online gaming. That's the positive thing it will be remembered for.
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