Tales Of Vesperia RAGE

Kotaku Writes:Imagine that you don't own an Xbox 360. Maybe, you don't even want one. But then a game comes out on it, a game you really want, and it's an exclusive.

To play it, well, you'd probably buy the console, take your "Only On Xbox 360" game home and play the crap outta it. Then imagine several months later, that same game emerged once again, like a Phoenix from the flames, and was appearing on another console - with more story, new characters, the works! How would you feel?

Bamboozled! Pissed off! Mad! Nerd rage has been directed at Bandai Namco's Tales of Vesperia, which was an Xbox 360 exclusive. That is, until it decided to appear on the PS3 with brand new shiny stuff.

[- Ghost of Sparta -]

I like it when you cry, Kotaku. Please cry more, your misery brings me joy.

[GrandTheftZamboni]

Their tears taste like the sweetest nectar. What would be even sweeter is Gears of War with extra content for PS3.

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

"Gears of War with extra content for PS3. "

Epic owns the content, so it's not impossible

[pain777pas]

Gears on PS3 would be just plain wrong. LOL!!! I would not want that for M$'s sake. I really don't understand what they are doing anymore Sony is becoming more like Nintendo with first party and M$ loses the main reason I gave in to them. BIOWARE and Bungie. Now look at this Bioshock, Oblivion, and Tales. Seriously, whats next? I will only play Gears on my xbox its only fair. But if there is one that I want on the PS3 meaning both games on one disc ME1 and 2. Please Bioware and EA please do this for us. PS3 only owners may not know how great this game is unless they have a PC.

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

"lol @ you ps3 fanboys
you just got trolled all the way from japan "

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[sonarus]

How is kotaku crying?

People who bought 360 for tales of vesperia are pissed off so they broke the game lol. I think its funny

[MazzingerZ]

I think Japan has learned a new term: "Timed exclusive"...that didn't exist in Japan before

[Lawliet]

I guess this is calling for a celebration! Tears of Kotaku! ToK!

[NDN_Shadow]

...for NOT READING THE GODDAMN ARTICLE.

[slayorofgods]

Tales of Vesperia is a succesfull enough game on the 360 and the PS3 isn't blowing it anymore so why not. A lot of developers are really begining to wounder what their sales would be like on the PS3 compared to the 360 so it only makes since to test the waters now on the PS3. Tales of Versperia is a true jrpg so it will be intresting to see how the sales stack up on a system most people thought would be the leading platform for jrpg's when they purchased their PS3 to begin with.

I really think there are some 360 owners out there who don't want jrpg's on the PS3 for a sadist pleasure of knowing that ps3 owners can't play them rather then being able to play them for themselves. Lets face the facts the PS3 is a better system for jrpgs and my money is on the PS3 racking in more cash for Tales then the 360 did.

[SaiyanFury]

Kotaku whines about 360 "exclusives" that are no longer exclusive. I predicted for months that Tales of Vesperia would come to the PS3, yet so many people insisted it wouldn't. Here it is and now Kotaku complains. Sorry boys, Namco knows their market and releasing a JRPG exclusive to a console that sells the worst in Japan in financial suicide.

[STK026]

How come when a 360 timed exclusive goes to the PS3, people are mad, despite the fact that the 360 owners had the game about one year ahead.

But when the PS3 loses an exclusive (like GTA, DMC, etc), it's good for all gamers, because "more people will get to enjoy the game"?

I don't really care since I already own both consoles, but I just thought it's weird seeing the double standard, despite the fact that 360 owners STILL get the game first.

[gaffyh]

@STK - Actually fanboys on both sides go crazy.

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

"@STK - Actually fanboys on both sides go crazy"

No. Only 360 fanboys do it. They're a rare breed.

:)

[ThanatosDMC]

Here's the 8 second summary of it all.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[RememberThe357]

Just look at the Final Fantasy 13 fallout. Some PS3 fanboys literally swore themselves off any Square-Enix games.

[Raz]

..That'll teach ya to stick with a winner. Anybody who buys a console just for one game is a tool, anyway. That's $300 you could have spent on accessories and games for the console you already had. Dumbass.

[Bonsai1214]

thats the whole article?

[Genesis5]

Wonder what they'll think when Star Ocean 4 PS3 shows up.

[TheHater]

I don't see them doing this when Xbox 360 version of games get exclusive contents than the PS3 version.

[CrippleH]

Yeah.

They were practically begging for a 360 MGS4 for years.

[sonarus]

You guys are missing the point of the story

People in Japan who bought 360 for Tales of Vesperia are pissed off that its coming to PS3 too. So some japanese kid broke his game and burnt some stuff up and kotaku is reporting it

In my opinion that is funny as hell. But thats a cruel trick for microsoft to play with that only on 360 label. Anyway next time he won't be so quick to buy a console for one game

[hay]

Yeah, this is pretty much kick in the nuts for Microsoft also. They lost one of the coolest games on X[ ]O this gen along with Japan fanboy's trust.

[JeepGamer]

Just because Kotaku was the utterly unreliable source for "MGS4 could come to 360" stories that got shot down time and time again is no reason to think that they would whine when a 360 exclusive becomes rather un-exclusive.

[Chris Hansen]

"PS3 exclusive goes multiplatform"
Kotaku: YAY!!!!

"Xbox 360 exclusive goes multiplatform"
Kotaku: WTF? Bullsh*t. F*ck Sony. MGS4 SUCKS!@!@!

[TheColbertinator]

Meh.I wanted each console to have its own version.The Wii is getting 3 "Tales of" games and it also got Fragile

[lloyd_wonder]

This actually an article about Japanese gamers in a RAGE

Burning 360's, breaking ToV 360 disc, swearing off Microsoft etc

All because they bought the console for the game. If you thought regular PS3 fanboys were bad, Japan as a whole doesn't like the 360

[San Frandisco]

lol yeah no sh!t man,that place is fanboy Land,specifically sony fanboys.
so yeah looks like C0cktaku is the only crybaby's whining.
Brats need to chillax.

[UltimateIdiot911]

I bet those otaku sucked up their pride to purchase a 360 even though fellow gamers told them otherwise. After discovering to be wrong about their purchase, the lost of security caused them to snap.

[v1c1ous]

the issue is that the 360 has a small niche fanbase. but the japanese, when they like something, they tend to get fanatical about it. thus the term otaku.

however, in this case, the 360 otaku was copying the reaction of another otaku who was a fan of the popular series KANAGI, in which the main heroine was thought not to be a virgin, so the fan took pictures of himself breaking his manga collection into pieces.

the 360 otaku copied him as a joke.

[Godmars290]

The irony here is that not only would it have been likely that all the extra content, especially the full voice overs, wouldn't have been on the PS3 if ti had come out sooner, but now people are going to be wondering if FFXIII wont have the same thing. And what that means for the 360 version if the PS3 version does have it.

[BLuKhaos]

"Burning 360's, breaking ToV 360 disc, swearing off Microsoft etc"... Good! they should have been doing that from the beginning .

[Obama]

haha I posted the pictures in the comment section yesterday.

[Unicron]

HAHAHAHAHHA.

It wasn't news when huge profile titles that were multiplatform and had fans on both consoles, such as GTA or Fallout 3, received exclusive content on one system. You know, where up to 50% of the fanbase was SNUBBED because of the console they chose to own. That's dandy eh? But man, a freaking "Tales of" game gets this treatment, and ZOMG FANBOY RAGE!?

Crying butthurt fanboys, I love it. Whine more.

[rhood022]

You know, I don't actually believe that TOV will make it to the PS3 in the US. I think, for the US market at least, it will remain an exclusive.

Here's why:

I know the "Only on Xbox 360" label doesn't mean much (although the only exceptions can be counted on one hand), but the Japanese box art never actually had that label on it. Therefore, it was always a possibility that it could be released on the PS3.

It also wouldn't surprise me if a European PS3 version is announced. Since the 360 version won't be released by Euro publisher Atari until June, and the fact that it'll contain only English, Japanese and Spanish audio, means that there could very well be a PS3 version released at or near this window.

It wouldn't take nearly as long to localize and we know for a fact that a PS3 version is up and running--cause it will be released in Japan in Sept.

[jackdoe]

Er, Ninja Gaiden 2 begs to differ as does Bioshock about that "Only on Xbox" thing. Bottom line, that label means jack sh!t. US release pretty much confirmed. And if it doesn't? Learn Japanese. No better time to do it, especially with FFXIII coming out one full year ahead of the US release in JP.

[Omegasyde]

Dind't Enternal Sonata also have that logo?

Here is the bioschock case in case anyone is wondering

[rhood022]

@above
Did you both miss the part where I said 1) the "Only on 360" logo means nothing and 2) the exceptions to the "Only on Xbox 360" logo could be counted on one hand?

1. Bioshock
2. Eternal Sonata
3. Lost Planet
4. Ninja Gaiden 1
5. Ninja Gaiden 2

And IF TOV comes to the US, I'll gladly amend my position.

@ jack

I do know Japanese. Been playing White Knight Chronicles since release and am currently playing Way of the Samurai 3. And even though I already played Tales on the 360, I might check this out when it releases.

[jackdoe]

Rolls eyes. A lot of you don't understand the article and think Kotaku is crying. Sigh. The guy is making fun of Japanese Otaku who burned magazines and destroyed 360 versions of Tales of Vesperia and rightly so; that kind of behavior is outrageous and funny as hell.

[Unicron]

Been to the Gamefaqs Tales of Board? The current trend is to spam spoilers to ruin the game for people awaiting the port.

[Obama]

I know, I hit the faq board just to see the reaction and 1/3 of the threads is about how the ps3 port won't be coming to the NA or how angry some of the 360 owners are. It's a total meltdown.

[Why dis]

It hurts because they are losing popular playstation games associated with the Playstation brand exclusive, 1st party or 3rd to simultaneous released 360 versions.

[agmsd]

Hey. Why dis.. PS3 didn't loose anything. It's still on the PS3 and the PS3 has it's own astonishing exclusives from it's first party studios. you're glad because the xbot got some games now. Believe me this trend won't last for long.

[Obama]

I think some people are pissed mainly because they have been lied to. When MS slapped the "Only on 360" logo on this game, some people bought a 360 just to play this. Now half a year later, Namco announced the ps3 version with full voice acting, new characters and stories.

[Godmars290]

Then you have to wonder how many JP fans are just as pissed at Namco.

Honestly, they should be more pissed.

[OgTheClever]

Yet Square Enix lied about FFXII only being on PS3 and I think we all know which is the bigger game.

[heroicjanitor]

It's a bigger game but it wasn't released on the console most japanese fans didn't have with a sticker saying only on 360, then a year later having a better version released on their fav console.

[Aclay]

Wow... if Japanese gamers are acting this way about Tales of Vesperia coming to the PS3 and the fact that they HAD to buy a 360 for it in the beginning when they didn't want to, I don't even want to know what they'll be doing IF Star Ocean: The Last Hope gets announced for the PS3 (I think it will), LOL.

If Star Ocean gets announced for the PS3, I think that Japanese gamers might give up on the 360 altogether because they'll feel that they don't need a 360 if the same JRPG's will be coming to the PS3 at a later date with even MORE content.

The possibility of Lost Odyssey 2 might be enough for Japanese gamers to hang on to their 360's, but I think that's about it.

[jackdoe]

I don't remember 360s getting sold out when Star Ocean 4 hit, so I don't think it will elicit the same response.

[UltimateIdiot911]

WWIII

[Obama]

The 360 ppl are always bashing VC for its sales but little do they know that TOV actually sold less than VC.

[jackdoe]

That is technically due to the fact that ToV has yet to release in Europe, though the announcement of the PS3 version will certainly throw a wrench in sales in Europe for the 360 version.

[cyrus228]

its happened with many MS games, lets see

Bioshock
tales of vesperia
eternal sonata
ninja gaiden 2.
star ocean 4 (confirmed by official strat guide * says for 360 version

and oddly all versions on ps3 r way better

cant wait for NG2 co-op, sux cuz i got my 360 for NG2 and halo lol least halo, and gears r still exclusive other wise y wud i own it??? lol

[Pootie Tang]

Yea I don't understand why they bother anymore, I have 4 games here stamped "Only on Xbox 360" Bioshock, Dead Rising, Eternal Sonata and NG2. And the Original NG says "Only on Xbox" - so say 5

Exclusivity can't be trusted anymore, I personally could care less as I have both but I can see it being frustrating if you bought a console just for a particular game.

[Sarcasm]

"Exclusivity can't be trusted anymore"

In 1st party titles we trust.

[TenSteps]

Only trust the exclusive logo if it is 1st party or if the company bought the IP rights.

Do not trust it if the company published it without owning the IP because face it Team Ninja showed how to go around that

[chidori666]

THANK YOU 360FIXME FOR BETA GAME OF TALES XDDDDD

[Obama]

No offense but every time I read you comment I always have a good laugh. Bubble up.

[Shadow Man]

glad you love xbox360 leftovers

[Kamikaze135]

Ah, sucks for people who actually think that though, lmao! More story, additional cut-scenes, new character, fully voiced, new areas, new weapons....ah...leftovers are far from what this game is. More like the actual release. Looks like Bandai Namco ran out of space on the DVD discs and had to cut all that stuff out, lol.

[Shadow Man]

ok, enjoy the leftovers and filler.

[gambare]

"ok, enjoy the leftovers and filler. "

shadow man face after he saw the revamped ToV for PS3:

[DNAgent]

Enjoy the...Uh...Banjo Nuts & Bolts DLC?

[Zeus Lee]

What's the point of this?

[Etseix]

we all know games will start to appear on ps3, cuz its selling more at japan. im looking at u SO4, i dont care if it was star flop 4: the last flop (lol) i have the psp ones, the ps2 one, so i want to have the collection :P thats all

[gerol]

plz SE... make Star Flop 4: The Last Flop, come to the PS3!!!! :D

[Etseix]

lol yea like that gerol.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

"Only on Xbox 360"

HAHAHA. The 360 is a joke. No exclusives anymore.

[Socomer 1979]

gee, ya think?

[Whoooop]

Thanks guys for beta testing our PS3 games...

:)

[Jaces]

lolz, have a bubble.

Good things come to those who wait. :)
Honestly though, what kind of idiot buys a whole new system for one damn game?

[patterson]

"• While the Xbox 360 version did not have full voice, the PS3 version will.

• One voice actor even said the additional voice script for the PS3 version was almost as long as the whole Xbox 360 voice script."

http://kotaku.com/5201634/w...

Now hopefully we'll be able to choose between the original and English voice acting and I'll be good to go!

[swiftshot93]

no sh1t Japan loves Playstation....

[Jazz4108]

The reason it was approved is because N4G and Japan Love Playstaion. I did not say USA because the USA in general have picked the 360 as there counsel of choice and like in Japan if you own a 360 your in the minority and in the USA if you own a PS3 your in the minority. The sales numbers don't lie. Disagree if you want but there is nothing you can use to back it up.

[Immortal Kaim]

So what extra content will actually be in the PS3 version?

Cause I'm still waiting for the Aus release on 360 which is due out in a couple of months. Don't know if it is worth it, if the PS3 Aus/EU version won't be out for another year?

[patterson]

http://kotaku.com/5201634/w...

[Immortal Kaim]

Cheers Patterson.

mm... now that causes a predicament...

The extra voice work sounds like a bonus but I have heard people complain about the voice acting?

The extra content story and sub-plot wise sounds great.

Extra character could be good.

Don't know if it will be worth the wait though, 360 in 2 months or wait for the PS3 version that could take 8-9 months...

[LiquifiedArt]

If its not DLC then its MORE GAME for your $. Especially RPGs. More Story, Characters, Voice work etc... it becomes a deeper RPG.

[Lawliet]

That's what you deserve when you don't put some research into it. It's obvious that the game is going multiplat Gez.

[Argento-Nox]

I'm just happy I get a chance to play TOV. As a big Tales fan, Bandai Namco has ignored Sony as a whole for Tales games. There's tales games like Tales of Lament (PSP), Tales of Eternia (PSP) and Tales of Destiny (PS2), etc. that never made it over to North America. Well, at least my wish to play TOV has a decent chance of coming true, seeing as Eternal Sonata got a PS3 release that came to N.A.

[NDoerrFans]

You're right about Tales of Lament, but... Tales of Eternia was initially released as "Tales of Destiny 2" on the PlayStation (PS-One); and the PS2 Tales of Destiny was just a remake of the PS-One version of that game; both of which we got.

Er, I'm assuming we're talking about the US (cuz c'mon, we Americans know there's something past our borders, but that's like... outer space, right? =P), but if not, then maybe you're right - I don't know what Tales games were released in Europe.

In any case, you can probably nab Tales of Destiny and Tales of Destiny 2 (Eternia) off ebay, albeit for a price. Both were fairly limited releases. For the right price, hell, I might sell you mine if you're desperate. ToD is hilarious; ToD2 was a letdown.

[labwarrior]

And last but most important, Lost Odyssey and Star Ocean 4 are not on PS3, right ?

[Argento-Nox]

I'll take whatever Tales game over LO or SO4 any given day, plus the PS3 is getting an exclusive Shin Megami Tensei game, that isn't even out and I already know it'll be "game of the year" quality like Persona 3 and 4.

[Obama]

Minor?? Full VA, extra character and story, and tie in with the anime are not considered trivial. Moreover, the ps3 version may be getting dual track and every true jrpg fan will play the game in its original form.

[Doctor Strange]

Lol that kid was pissed.

[lazzymusa]

can somebody help me out here coz I'm really having a hard time trying to understand which game is exactely xbox exclusive that would want someone to buy an xbox so much coz I was thinking Halo and Gear but I've got those game on pc, Then I thought Ninja gaiden and Tales, then they show up on the world's greatest console.
Well the only exclusive left on Xbox is RROD

[Lucreto]

If this fanboys rage is more wide spread than it appears it could be bad for MS. Japanese gamers will wait and see if a better PS3 version will appear of 360 JRPGs past, present and future.

[shawnsl65]

"nerd rage"

ouch.

"shiny stuff"

hah! funny man. :P

[Too_Hyped]

Is there any exclusive left on 360 ?? I mean except Gears 1.5 and Halo 2007 ?

[Shane Kim]

I dunno man, I heard sales are coming out with a new game.

[Too_Hyped]

Yeah bu bu but sales... blah blah blah

Bu bu but... wait for E3.

Sony leg humpers... blah blah blah

Bladetard, remember my name.

[macalatus]

Cry MOAR: Tears of a 360 Owner
RROD 4: The UPS Mission
Halo Dolls: Barbie and Ken Adventures
Troll N4G: Operation Infiltrate SDF

[Too_Hyped]

@macalatus : lol, so true. Where are bladetard, thefart and whydis ? I want a comment.

[Too_Hyped]

It's a bit sad to see one of the only exclusives left on 360 going PS3 like the others, and once again with an enhanced version (like bioshock, eternal sonata and ninja gaiden 2).

Looks like MS lied again, this time with their 'only on 360' sticker.

I can understand that people who chose to buy a 360 because of these exclusives feel a bit betrailed right now.

Then again, that's not like you didn't know about MS bad practices before you bought it.

[nefertis]

Its pays not to buy a third party exclusive with a stamp "Only on this console ".

[laaakokaracha]

Its good that it gets released on PS3.

But this action proves once again with what dirty tricks the developers play just to sell more.

I hate this business right now...

[paracardium]

that's what you get for buying the betabox360..this is a recent trend if anyone has noticed. Time to pack in that last gen tech and buy real system the PS3 :). I'll check back in a few hrs to see if there's some funny comments lol.

[TwistedMetal]

grab a ticket and step in line becuase a lot of developers and gamers are gonna be feeling the pain on not haveing any self control. I mean really why the heck would you make a x360 purchase? the console is 33% failure rate. the console can scratch your disks, the game is on multiple discs. the game doesnt feel right with the x360 controller. I mean if you were silly enough to make such a rash and irresponsible descision then you should sit there and not make the same mistake again. this has also happend with ninja gaiden 2. ps3 owners you have the ps3 in no way shape or form do you need a x36o and since is a rpg game a day one purchase. heck I can wait up till a year before I start needing a rpg that was released. alot of people are freaking dropping the ball buying into M$ and there tactics. you will mess this gen up if you dont stay strong and stay ps3.

[laaakokaracha]

well I bought the extra system cause it was only 100 bucks...not a lot in my opinion...

I just didnt wanne miss out anything!

[robotnik]

We told you guys, and you were saying all the time "PS3 HAS NO GAEMS".
Suck it up xbots.

[PirateThom]

Star Ocean 4 is next, it doesn't even have the "Only on" stamp.

Prepare for an announcement soon.

[laaakokaracha]

would be awesome...

still I dont like the dirty game the developers or publishers are playing...

why cant they just say it now?

[J@D]

I really hope so, Pirate ^^

[PeterGriffinSays]

...360 gets a gimped version of FFXIII, while PS3 owners get a super-charged version of Tales of Vesperia?

Sweeeeeeeeeeet.

[Roper316]

" Only on Xbox360 for 6-12 months" is how their label should read. And anyone who falls for their BS label that knowing the way MS does things deserves the inferior version of the game. If it's not 1st party don't fall for MS's BS label and expect it to be a true exclusive.

[laaakokaracha]

well I did...too many times :(

which is why I am very dissapointed...

[GameGambits]

You have to wonder who is the bigger dbag in this scenario; the developer or the publisher?

Developers themselves are doing shady things to their fan base and us as the consumer more so now. Capcom charges for content already put on discs. Namco says a game is an exclusive to a console then drops that ship to add more sales on another console.

Really though people need to own both consoles in my opinion so you can enjoy the best each can offer. However, the scale is tipping now harder and harder that Sony has more games you won't ever see on 360 that are all awesome games worth your time. If 360 didn't have Gears or Halo the console would become dead or just used for party chat over headsets with buddies when you play PS3 games---oh wait that's what I do. :P

Seriously when PS3 has cross game chat with voices(not text), and even if it's just 1 person at a time private chat, then Sony has caught up in terms of online. It's also a step ahead with it being free.

Sony's catch up game is getting them closer and closer, but also faster and faster.

Soon enough even I will question why I bought my 360 if all I use it for is friends chat. :(

[artsaber]

A long time ago, I saw a GRAW2 ad in Target being played on one of the HDTV screens boasting "Only on the 360" when EVERYONE already knew that it was coming to the PS3. Microsoft is a company that falsely advertises and are BLATANT liars when it comes to exclusive games.

Bioshock was another so-called exclusive that everyone behind the scenes knew was coming to the PS3. Even early Bioshock computer gamers found a reference to the PS3 wrote into a .ini file.

I think that Microsoft purposely forgets to add the whispering word "today" at the end of the ads.

It should've read "Tales of Vesperia, Only on the 360... today"
"Bioshock, Only on the 360... today"
"GRAW2, Only on the 360... today"

And so on...

[macalatus]

It should be like this:

Ninja Gaiden 2: Only on the 360...crappier version today!

[be_wrong]

Gears of war - only on xbox 360: then came the pc version
Mass Effect - only on xbox 360: then another pc version
Lost Planet - only on wait :P there's a pc and ps3 version
Ninja Gaiden - only on 360 but then came sigma :P
Tales of Vesperia - only on 360 well not anymore

there are many other games that was branded only on xbox 360, but came out on the PC as well. not like the wii, pc and ps3 they have first party devs (well not the pc) that create games exclusively for a system. with a lineup that can be found on other systems and a hardware that fails even after just plugging it microsoft is slowly going down. sales? it doesn't really matter because most of the units that was sold was bought by M$ and xbots who needs replacement.

[knightoftears]

My God, is this even necessary. So it's ok for the once exclusive FFXIII to come to XB360, but PS3 can't get a game that has been out on the 360 with a little added content without people crying about it?!! LMAO. Karma is a muthaf@#@&er isn't it? Grow up and live with it. I guess Squeenix isn't as loyal as M$ thought huh? They can do what they want with their games. Besides, like all the people who love that the 360 is getting FFXIII, live by what you say "Why is everyone so mad about more gamers getting to experience and awesome game?"

[Too_Hyped]

It must be painful.

Another day, another failure for the bots.

[Knightofelemia]

Namco is in it for money after the timmed exclusive is up they can do what ever they want with the game add a few more bells and whistles to change the story up a bit. As far as I remeber no one was crying when Eternal Sonata left the 360 to go to the PS3. And PS3 fans were not crying when Unreal Tournament 3 went from PS3 to the 360. Everything is going to be a timmed exclusive and companies realise they can make money releasing on both consoles instead of just one console.

[fatstarr]

360 and ps3 are twins fighting for attention.

when twin a cries mom takes twin b's bottle and feeds twin a.

basically ps3 and 360 are the same thing only AAA exclusives don't get traded the rest if the money is there or fan want can be traded.

and thank tales of symphonia cause we wouldn't be getting all the tales of games we have now if symphonia wasn't a success.