LukaX23 from TheGamingOwl Network explains why you shouldn't be blaming Sony over the latest PS3 firmware. But rather, why you have no one else to blame but yourself.
what would be in 2.7 NOT sony PERSONALLY 2 years and no x game chat or invites as a ps3 owner is dissapointing when the supposedly weaker console has all these features, but we should all be grateful sony is still keeping the service free,there trying their best for us
MURKERR i agree with you but i think theres more to it than just SONY not doing it .. look as far as X game invites goes Microsoft has a patent on it .. so there has to be some way to work around that ... (and in part the most easy is to gave it to the DEVs of games and them ADDING it to games) And there is were the report from GDC were some DEV said sony had given to DEVs the new 2.70 mai come in and that mai be the same for X game chat .. it mai be there in 2.70 and will work from game to game that the DEVs add it to .. get what im saying ... Note to all im not sure about what im saying im just going from logic ... im sure about the patent tho not sure about Xgame chat.
on n4g today who act like they work for sony and built the ps3 saying it cant be done talking all this techinical jargon (sure you all know who im taking about?) i agree though bruno im sure theres so many obstacles only the people INSIDE sony know about and im hopeful this will be remedied sooner or later
I am not that interested in cross game chat. The feature i was really interested in was in game XMB and ability to message friends in game. The update was weak imo but not because of no cross game chat more because it didn't have any compelling features. Sony should have sat on the update for a while or at least till they had something substantial to show. Screw sony copying Xbox live features. Sony needs to step up and give us some features of their own.
ya here today on n4g some people talk as if they were there wen making the ps3 come on with out being the people that are making the FW's and the people that made the ps3 non of us know much about it ...if we "ALL" knew so much about it there wouldn't have been so many post about killzone 2 never looking like IT DOES. but w.e WE mai know (and by we i mean some people on N4g) what makes the ps3 run i can know all that aswel if i want go google it and talk about it but if ANY ONE THOSE people here on N4G and over the net talking about it were to be put in a room with a ps3 and said OK NOW MAKE IT RUN none of them would WHY ???? BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO they mai know the names and number nut what about the HOW TO ? so back to what we were talking about ya by the looks of it sony has alot to work around microsoft patented some good stuff (that in other hand sucks for people who own other consoles) and i know il get comments like ya they are smart and ya they are but is like sony putting a patent on 2 analogs what would the 360 have? ,, but any ways ... give sony time the ps3 due to the machine it is it will move ahead even wen all stop moving .. now was i happy with 2.70 ? NO .. WHY ?? because I and in my case what i was reading here on N4G made me think of 2.70 as something more than it was .. (come to think about it 2.70 is not 3.00) and murkerr i know what people ur talking about it i read it too today (and on other days)
From reading around N4G i must say you 2 are some of the most rational people ive seen in the net when talking about games and i must agree with allllllllll the two of you have said . so bubbles for the 2 of u MURKERR u already have a lot but hope Bruno get to the same level so he can have some good talk when posting by ur side and if these online people have to blame any one about 2.70 is them self not sony is that easy
Search and Destroy, and my brother says something to me... it goes in one ear and out the other. I'll be like "yea" and nod my head, even though I didn't hear a single word he just said. He's sitting right next to me for gods sake, and I don't even know what he said. Yea, I'm sure I need 10 people cross game chatting with me about random things to distract me even further from the game. -_-" True, the feature would be nice, but not as ESSENTIAL as some people claim it to be.
i know what you mean but hey its good to have it ... but you know what wen sony says guys ur going to have it then they dont put it out in the FW update il B!cTH like every one on N4G but until then man is dumb bloggers and user on sites like N4G that make sony look bad not them selfs..
But X-Game invites, now that is a good idea. Sorry, but when I am in a lobby playing a game on the 360 and wonder why few people are talking the remember that they are all probably chatting with their buddies who are currently playing something else, it is a bit frustrating. If you are playing COD4, play COD4 and chat with those of us in COD4. I like cross game invites but the chat is just silly.
It's not used to ask how your day was, it's used for questions like "when will you be done" or "want to play a game of X". It's used to set up new games when your friends may be playing something else. It's more like cross game invites, but with a more personal touch. -Death
Y is it a big deal to hav cross chat and invites its not a big deal 4 me Ive got about 30 people on my friends list and i probably only talk 2 about 10 of them (5 N4g members) and also i only play online gamin 4 about an hour a day i get well annoyed when im playin summin like Killzone 2 online (this happened last night) and then i get sum div sendin me messages "do u wanna play with me" NO PISS OFF LEAVE ME B Its just me i guess i bought my Ps3 2 play games not talk Oh and i didnt disagree wid u by the way i tend to agree with 99% of wot u say :-)
its not that important,ingame xmb was the most needed for me anyway, we got a good service and its free so im grateful bubbles to all above who debated rationally
"weaker console has all these features," I'm sure that Superior or better console always have a better Features than the weaker one, if you think that the 360 is weak then what do you call the PS3 ??? lol I Bet $ony will begin to charge for their service soon. On topic, I really don't care about chatting all I need is just in-game Invite that works for every game
Back at ya brother
"I'm sure that Superior or better console always have a better Features than the weaker one, if you think that the 360 is weak then what do you call the PS3 ??? lol" What do we call PSN? FREE! <- which to me = pretty awesome all things considered. What ever options and features that are added to PSN and XMB is just a bonus for being a consumer of Sony. Sony has to pay out of their own pocket to upgrade and tweak PSN. Unlike MS with XBL for having huge revenue through their paid services. What ever is added or upgraded to XBL cost MS nothing and is deserved and paid for by Gold XBL members. Personally the only feature I would like to have on PSN is better voice communication and a private chat option. That's it. Sooner or later Sony will get there. For now I am more than happy with what Sony is offering me for FREE. BTW were you a member of XBL when it first launch last generation? Do you remember what it offered what it offered (options and features) at launch to where it is today? It was the definition of bare bones. The only money spent on XBL was the initial creation of it. MS consumers have been paying for it's upgrades (added features and options) ever since. Oh along with paid advertisement (on a paid service /sarcasm). Funny how so few people mention that when comparing XBL to PSN or when people have the audacity to complain about PSN. Sorry but I would prefer PSN stay free. Now if I was paying out of pocket and they didn't have all the options and features I wanted I would be disappointed. In all honesty the more Sony moves forward with PSN the more I question why I pay for XBL (which I have 2 active XBL Gold accounts).
I really don't see this as Sony's ability to get the features right. I think that patents restrict you without paying the competition and so legally everything is just gonna take longer and most software patents are owned by either M$, IBM, or Apple so things are just harder for Sony to get things done.
It seems you may have a short memory yourself, because the PS2 also had online as well (SOCOM, RE: Outbreak, etc) and it was "more bare bones" than the Xbox that same generation. So you can't give Sony that much slack since in a way they had a previous generation to learn fro their mistakes. But truth be told, the real issue is that Sony is a Japanese company (same a Wii, with their serial # friend IDs) and they not use to having online as mandatory thing for console gaming, but bless them they are r trying to adapt to this generation (since 2000) of online gaming. While the West, ie Microsoft, are in full throttle in that department. (the funny and ironic thing is that in the West we have one of the slowest connections speeds where as the East (Japan) have the fastest in the world.
You are comparing the ability to play online through a game (Socom) vs a separate online gaming service created by the manufacturer of the console in which you game on (XBL). Explain to me how they are even remotely similar? Did Socom run off of Sony servers or something? I don't know personally because I never played Socom on the PS2. I did all of my gaming online last gen on the XBox/XBL. The bottom line is PSN is a lot newer to the market than XBL and they appear to be getting closer and closer to them in options and features with each passing upgrade/update. All for free to the PS3 consumer and out of pocket for Sony. Again as a PS3 owner I don't see a reason to complain or be disappointed. Hopeful? Yes. Disappointed? No.
Personally, I like the Dynamic Normalizer feature. Often when I'm washing dishes I stream music to my PS3 to play in the background loudly, and sometimes a song's bitrate is higher than the one before it and it comes in much louder. A useful function for me, thanks Sony. As for cross game chat, since I never go online, that function holds little interest for me, although I can see why people would want it. It would be useful to those that play online.
But i'm not a very punctual person, but I do, do what I say i'm gonna do. I may be late, but things happen eventually. I'm happy that Sony are trying and incorporating stuff that none of us are paying for. They might be releasing stuff a little slow compared to the features already present on xbox live, but I say better late then never. I just hope all the features we want are like a fine wine so when we finally get them we'll all be able to just chill and hold hands.
These isent really news but one thing i must agree .. WE and i said WE (thats me too) hype the SH!T out of 2.70 .. so ya we got our selfs to blame too .. (on another note one of my friends ps3 is block sence last friday the update went up or a shor time and he downloaded it he has 2.70 but cant open anything on his XMB (good thing hi has his games to start right away) but under system there something by the name of CCT .. ( that i dont see on my ps3 after 2.70 .. just saying thats all maibe theres more to 2.70 than we think) wink ..
They have also reduced troohy loading time - alot !! takes like 3 secs to load everything when before could over 10 seconds
ppl didnt see all that wen u go to trophies to compare now if u dont own the game u wont show as 0% u just wont show at all .. u cna copy and past did also changes the code in the browser (as many can see by being able to log into N4G from the ps3 .. the browser is faster wen loading videos maibe 2.70 was a system stability update with a lil add for having all we want some background coding for x game chat x game invite .. but no we all went by the HYPE OF N4G not SONT SONY NEVER SAID 2.70 had what WE ALL said it had but w.e ... 3.0 will be nice we all know that .. it shoed be out by October normally the big ones comes around there..
It is also confirmed that Avatars are coming, as they said in a blog reply to someone complaining about "lack of avatars" (in which i agree), that they are working on it "at this very moment". So i think they are saving the juicey stuff for June/July (E3 basically). We were also told by a developer that in-game voice chat was in development, reconfirming that they may release this long wanted feature June/July.
whitto i saw that reply on the us blog .. im going to use caps for these so sorry if any one gets mad. WHAT U AND BRUNO JUST SAID GOES SOMETHING LIKE THESE YOU GUYS ARE USING SONY AS THE SOURCE FOR WHAT UR SAYING WEN ALLLLL WE GET ON N4G AND ON THE NET COMES FROM BLOGS AND STUPID EXPERTS THAT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT GAMING !!!! SO WEN U SAY AVATARS ARE COMING HOME VIDEO STREAMING IS COMING IT REALLY IS WHY BECAUSE SONY SAID SO .. so WHY why do people chouse to B!TCH about things SONY did not say were coming ??? can any one tell me how that works ???? PLEASE ???
Xbox Live has been out for 6 years, the 360 for over 3. Sony had plenty of time to be prepared when they launched over 2 years ago. People hype every single firmware update in the hopes that PSN will be more like Live. Sony is partially to blame for not being more informative and for not giving their customers what they want. If these features were already available, you wouldn't have the hype/disappointment cycle we have had for years now. -Death
Death and il quote you .. " Xbox Live has been out for 6 years, the 360 for over 3" and il make that my reply to you ... oo an the PSN has been alive for 2 if the 360 has been 3. get it ?
My point is Sony was not surprised with online gaming. The Playstation brand has been established for well over a decade. Sony seen it's first glimse of online gaming with Sega's Dreamcast and then again with the original Xbox a few years later. Sony should be a leading the online revolution instead of still trying to play catch up over a couple hardware generations. -Death
i was only hoping for .mkv file support and maybe ps2 emulation. i could care less about any other "potential future" features (they'll just be a bonus).
So we get a "Did Sony shaft gamers?" and now a "Sony didn't shaft anyone" in a space of a couple hours. What's next in the next couple hours? "Did MS cause Sony to shaft gamers?" or "Sony causes MS to shaft gamers?" These articles belong as blogs as all they are is personal opinions and not actual news. I thought this was news4gamers not blogs4gamers.
very true, im happy with what i can get
has anyone tampered with it yet? they updated the flash player as well, i haven't tried the cross game chat but i see where there is an option for headset chat, does it work?
Sony doesn’t mind the misinformation being spread? NOPE! Using PS3 browser right now it seems to be much faster after 2.70 even though it crippled my controller connection(during the update installation my controller went into energy saving mode/turned off)
I've got a home phone, cell phone, etc... big deal! Since when did these features become so damned important?! I had fun on my PS1/2 without any of this crap because I was too busy playing GAMES! I can already voice chat with people when we're playing the same game. If we're not then so be it. Yakkity yack like a bunch of girls playing different games? I don't get that. Is that important? PS3 already does more than what I originally wanted from this system (for free). If they never added a new feature I wouldn't care honestly. p.s. And this new thing with text chat in game is retarded. Who the hell would be busy text chatting when you're in game? I don't get that at all. I say quit talking so damned much and play the games you bunch of bed wetters lol. Peace.
Spot on Patterson you said that well bubbles for you!!!
Eloquently put sir! I couldn't have said it better myself. $hit everybody musn't have mobile phones or something. When I'm playing an intense game of Killzone 2 or SF4, I might trash talk someone or talk to my team I'm playing with and THAT'S IT! If I want you to come into my game, I'll send you a quick text message or god forbid, pause the game, pick up my mobile phone and call yo ass to get ready but no one interrupts me when I'm playing something... ....ok, so unless it's someone important :) Funny how when Home came out, people where hating on it because it is a great way to talk to gamers and socialise.. ...now everybody wants to talk to me while I'm actually playing something? Screw that! Wanna talk? Go Home! lol
'Who the hell would be busy text chatting when you're in game?' Those same idiots texting on their cell phones while driving. :)
Especially with the number of friends I have on the friends list. imagine 100+ friends all on at the same time playing and using x game chat... Who could possible hear what one is saying when you toss in background noise and such. I would either put players on mute or hardly join a chat while playing Too much chatter not enough playing. Takes away from the gaming acoustics effect. Chatting in the same game is just fine to me. If there is one negative thing with KZ2 is the chat feature. Especially when more than 3 are speaking. This is also a positive feature in SOCOM of course this is because of PTT. If x game chat was in they would not be able to use PTT. A chat room of 16 would be good but most would probably be in the same game so that kind of defeats the purpose of having voice in game. And with 100+ friends under 1 profile once the 16 limit is reached you'll have to send a text for someone to join another chat and so on... Where is the game playing?
Coming from someone who wasn't even really wanting/expecting cross game chat for 360, I use the feature all the time and so does most of my friends list. It's easy to talk about stuff that you don't want/need when you haven't even experienced it yet. I guarantee, when Sony implements the feature (whenever that is) you all will be using the hell out of x game chat. It's so convenient to have. And people who say "who would want 100 people talking in the same room" Umm... No one. XBL cross chat only supports 8 people at a time. It doesn't get hectic at all because you're with your friends -- Not a bunch random 7 year olds talking just to hear the sound of their own voice. It's a great way to meet other gamers as well. Not to mention, when playing COD or any shooter, it's great to not have to mute other players on the opposite team in order to go over any private strategy. And sometimes is just great not having to listen to kids talk. The only time I jump out of x game chat is if none of my friends are on (unlikely) or to talk sh!t to the other team :) There are many other advantages that I could list but my ass is at work, the economy is garbage and I can't afford to get fired. I highly recommend having/using the feature and then voicing your opinion. Trust, before it came out I guarantee that I would've been saying the same stuff as the PS3 only crowd but I'd put money down that you all will be eating your words once Sony drops XGame chat on ya. As for text chatting? Meh...
I'm also at work and don't want to get fired, but props for bringing some sanity to this BS. Just like custom soundtracks, the x chat and party system are brilliant, and only reason the PS3 cult doesn't appreciate it is because they haven't experienced it. When they do, this song will change drastically. And like the men we are, we will welcome them and not wag our fingers saying "we told you so."
"And like the men we are, we will welcome them and not wag our fingers saying "we told you so."" -- I somehow doubt that. haha And I agree with you RivenX3i. I'm pretty sure most PS3 gamers would welcome it and enjoy cross-game chat. But of course there's always a few who don't care for a certain feature or don't get why everyone wants it. But the majority do want it and would welcome it.
Why is it that because someone happens to own a PS3 some idiots think that same person doesn't also own a 360 or has never used live? Ever occur to you that people (myself included) just might have already seen this feature firsthand while playing Halo 3 (which I have) and Gears of War (which I have also played) and decided this feature isn't for them? Just because a person doesn't automatically like a feature you love, don't cry about it..... @iHeartboobs (nice name lol) Exactly my point man. Though, I might disagree about the majority of PS3 owners wanting this feature only because the people who don't even use a headset on PSN is WELL documented.
and I shouldn't have said the "majority" of PS3 users want it since i've never taken a survey. As for my name, hey who doesn't, right? haha
When was I ever crying about anything? I was just making a point that I didn't necessarily want/need the feature in the beginning and now I'd be kind of lost if they took it away. I was completely levelheaded and was not trying to start any sort of flaming what-so-ever. Hell, I didn't even resort to name-calling (which for some reason, you felt the need to). Besides, I was talking about the PS3 "only" crowd. If you read my post, you would have noticed that. In all honesty, I don't know why I'm even dignifying your post with a response because it's quite obvious that you did not read mine. How do people that make posts like that get so many bubbles? Lighten the hell up. @ iHEARTboobs - Agreed, we should probably say the majority of the PSN crowd with headsets will more than likely enjoy/welcome the feature even though they might not want it so badly at the moment.
At least there are new features, yaAaaay
I think everyone saw the rumors and was expecting a lot which in hindsight it's technically your own fault. Overall pretty weak update I think Sony might be out-of-touch with consumer demands. $99 Ps2 Price drop ----cricket---- lol That's not exactly what gamers are looking for this generation.
$99 Ps2 Price drop ----cricket---- lol ... look at these .. Japan numbers ... PS2 - 5,700 360 - 3,600 cricket .. u hear him but can u hear what under it ? lol.. dont dice the ps2 man 140Mil people mai not like it lol..
Funny you are using JAPAN numbers to compare 360 and ps2. What's wrong,can't use overall statistics because 360 sold more than PS2, so you have to find something else that says otherwise? BTW PS2 has been out 5 more years more than the 360.
Fact is Xbox 360's probability of reaching PS2 success is in the negatives.
'BTW PS2 has been out 5 more years more than the 360.' So one would think it's closer to its saturation point, yet in ONE area, it outsold the 360. Which side are you arguing again?
Some of u ppl r (ungrateful-crybabies). How can u possibly b "dissappointed," n FW 2.70?...y would u b?.....cuz they didn't implement your desired features? (ungrateful chumps)! First off, the features they did add was not there a day before, u wasn't screaming dissappointed with Sony then...so y u whining now? They give u something, n u cry about it...riiiight! 2nd, they said X-game chat iz coming, so sit ya impatient a** down, play some Killzone 2 n wait till it getz here! Finally, start praising Sony for their efforts n bringing us better online features. My hat goes off 2 em for every feature they've added that wasn't there at launch. PERIOD!
I like the chatroom me and my friends can communicate more better.
LOL TheGamingOwl blogspot
it doesn't mean you have to sit there talking whilst playing, it simpley means that if I see a friend go online I can invite him to chat and discuss what game we are going on next or whatever, it's just a convenient way of keeping the community connected, and patterson why would anyone want to use there cell phone when they are already connected and can talk for free? I did not know MS patented the idea, on PSN can you still for example send a voice message with invite? I don't know because I have not used it, but please don't play down communication, I would like to think that so long as my friends are online I should be able to invite them to a game with voice message without having to phone them up on my cell to see where they are.
it is really cool new feature, imagine you talk with your mates about strategies you are gonna implement in your next Killzone 2 session!
...I hope 'PSN' isn't turning into 'MSN' i.e 'MSN' = 'xBox LIVE' 'xBox LIVE' = Chatting CR*P all day!!! Bet you xBox LIVE = 90% CHAT + 10% Game Playing!!! ;-D Oh well it's FREE and adds more stuff if you want it;) + SONY didn't say anything about what will be on this update before??? It was just some NOBODY on the internet who said all that other stuff was on it??? Use your Brains people and don't believe everything you read on the internet!!! ;-D
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atleast the update doesn't cause any e-74 or rrod :P
The media and Gamers always hype Sony for whatever... Haven't people learned by now... Where is Cross-Chat? Sony should be improving the community and this would make plenty happy besides those acting like they don't care for it.
Like everyone else I was hoping for private chat but we got text chat. Another system has party chat where we can talk to up to 8 people, SONY step your game up!
We got screwed agan Reason: We are saving cross game chat for the PS4, LMFAO
PS3 users had themselves whipped into a frenzy over all the goodies that *might* be included with this update based on rumours, sepculation and wish-lists Of course, Sony just updated what they were going to update anyway, which was, unfortunately, less than what was hoped for. So are Sony to blame? No. But that doesn't exactly appease the disappointed ps3 fans.
everytime when there are firmware rumours i basically just ignored them (maybe just a peek). I just waited for Sony official announcement and PS blog's video walkthrough. I dont blame sony for not included things mentioned by those started the rumours. Im happy with what Sony offered. wtg Sony!
Its not like we pay to play online with the PS3. All the other bells and whistles that we would like to have would be a luxury. Maybe these extra things you will be added in time, but for now you can still do what's important, and not have to pay to do so. I'm fine with it as it is, and would be willing pay for something a bit better if that was an option (I already pay for Live, so I wouldn't care). But Seeing as I only have to pay for one online service, I'm not going to complain.
a service that is free. It has stayed free. I think people that are moaning should be ashamed of themselves. You get a quality service. You cannot deny it is. For the simple fact its free. There are f**king idiots on here going on like sony owes them something. Loads of them dont even own a Sony related product. Get a life. Please disagree with me. But then do you have the balls to say why? Just thought i would add, people like N$G360 are a case in point. He says, We got voice chat not text chat. Thats so 1999. Well how about this. I would of thought that M$ make enough money with the sales of stuff on live that they could afford to let you have the service free! Thats so 1999. After all we get it for Free.
I cant believe this guy would ask "why all the hype" are you kidding? We are making it known to sony that we want cross gaming chat. There is nothing wrong with that and in my honest opinion it should have been given to us a long time ago. Ps3 is a more superior system and it lack something so simple and at the same time necessary. I have both systems and i shouldn't have to choose between better graphics and getting to play with a bunch of my friends when a new game comes out. Does sony have any idea how much they are losing? Am i supposed to run 360 in the background and use their cross game chat while i play ps3? and not for nothing a sony rep commented on their sight saying "we know what our gamers want" or something along those lines when some kid posted "we want cross gaming chat".
I would like cross game invites eventually, though. There's not much more they can upgrade with the XMB, though.
your kidding this update rocks.Text Chat FTW!