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Wii Emulator Allows Games to Run in 720p HD

No, the Wii unfortunately can't run games in resolutions higher than 480p, a sad fact for audio/visual connoisseurs. But in this fantastical age of technological wizardry and workarounds, that doesn't mean we can't have a glimpse of what could have been.

Using the Wii PC emulator Dolphin, YouTube user renebarahona (via Kotaku) has uploaded a few videos showing some Wii games running in 720p, including Super Smash Bros. Brawl (above) and Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King (below). Naturally, be sure to click the HD button to get the full effect. Not bad, huh?

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ChickeyCantor3398d ago (Edited 3398d ago )

I have been running NES/SEGA/SNES/N64/PSX games in 1080P resolution for a long time...
Point being?

crck3398d ago

The point being all those systems are 10 years or older. It is pretty sad when a comp can emulate a "current gen" system better then the original.

ChickeyCantor3397d ago (Edited 3397d ago )

crck,
If an emulator reaches version 1.0 they will enhance it.
Its not something pathetic, an Emulator asks sh/tloads of processing power.

Emulators will always do better in the end because they are not restricted by their standards. They are enhanced.

" It is pretty sad when a comp can emulate a "current gen"
The sad part about this things it that you say that a "comp " can emulate. Well no sh/t? if the software is there its possible.
But then you have to ask yourself, how come Crysis2 couldn't run on current gen consoles? Kinda pathetic?...

Also funny how lots of multiplatform games that were made for the pc could use settings way higher than a console...
See where i'm getting at?
Comps will always do better in the end because they are not restricted to standards.

crck3397d ago (Edited 3397d ago )

You sure did type a lot to prove MY point.

"Its not something pathetic, an Emulator asks sh/tloads of processing power."

That was my point. A comp needs to be a buttload more powerful then the console it is trying to emulate which is why you usually never see an emulator for a current gen console. 360 has been out for 3.5 years now. Why no emulator for it? Because a pc powerful enough to emulate it isn't readily available to the masses. Why is there a Wii emulator out 2.5 years after release? Cuz the hardware is junk. That's where the sad part comes in.

"But then you have to ask yourself, how come Crysis2 couldn't run on current gen consoles? Kinda pathetic?..."

Huh? That doesn't even make sense. I thought this discussion was about emulators. Crysis 2 won't run on consoles just like Uncharted 2 won't run on PCs. Why won't Uncharted 2 run on a pc? Because the PS3 is too powerful to emulate...

nerubii3397d ago

"But then you have to ask yourself, how come Crysis2 couldn't run on current gen consoles? Kinda pathetic?..."

Huh? That doesn't even make sense. I thought this discussion was about emulators. Crysis 2 won't run on consoles just like Uncharted 2 won't run on PCs. Why won't Uncharted 2 run on a pc? Because the PS3 is too powerful to emulate...

bad reason you gave there. ill help you out with it. because it is not a PC game. why would anyone bother emulating a PS3 just to play Uncharted 2?

someanimalsdance3397d ago

there are two points floating around
crck is right, a computer requires alot more power to "emulate" a system.
Sidar is right, yes a computer can do it "better" because it is infinitely upgradeable

However crck no its not "pretty sad" that a Computer can do a better job because it is infinitely upgradeable. It would only be "pretty sad" if the computer emulating it was not significantly more powerful than the console.

And for sidar, you contradicted ur own point that Computers are not limited by saying "But then you have to ask yourself, how come Crysis2 couldn't run on current gen consoles? Kinda pathetic?... " WELL duh, you just said Computers are not limited, and consoles are... so OBVIOUSLY a console, with its limits, could not run crysis 2. AND no it isnt "Also funny how lots of multiplatform games that were made for the pc could use settings way higher than a console." because once again... you just stated that Computers arent limited, and consoles are.

Again to Crck, The reason a computer has trouble "emulating" consoles, is just that.. Because its Emulating. The hardware in most of our PC's is most likely plenty powerful to Run PS3/360/wii content, however the PC is not a PS3/360/Wii thus u cannot just stick the disk in and play it, Instead you must emulate a system which requires a ton of resources.

Keep in mind the PS3 has a single core 3.2ghz processor and 7 Tiny 3.2ghz processors(similar to those in a calculator). The 360 has a 3 core, 6 thread processor. Both of these processors are most notably IN-ORDER-PROCESSORS and much weaker than the OUT-OF-ORDER processors in our computers. Not to mention almost everyone has a Better Graphics card than the RSX or Xenos. So technically speaking (if ur one of those people who always keeps your hardware up-to date) all three of these systems have 'junk hardware'. Thus reinforcing the fact that Crysis 1/2 CAN run on a pc, and not on the consoles.. because they arent as powerful.

ChickeyCantor3397d ago (Edited 3397d ago )

" Uncharted 2 won't run on PCs"
Uuuh i doubt that, if it was a PC game that is. It could even run on higher settings.

@some
How do i contradict?
I just stated the obvious. To point out that PC's will always be superior.

" . Why is there a Wii emulator out 2.5 years after release? Cuz the hardware is junk. That's where the sad part comes in.
"

So by the time PS3 and 360 can be emulated, its junk too... right.
The reason Wii can be emulated is becaus the hardware was derived from the GCN, get it? the infrastructur is close to eachother.

But its still current gen, wether a wannabe "hardcore" gamer like you wants to acknowledge that or not.

" Because a pc powerful enough to emulate it isn't readily available to the masses"

No because it takes sh/tloads of time to actually write the IO for an emulator. There are people who are trying to make an 360 emulator but its a complex task, it got nothing to do with No pc available.
Even the early N64 emulators were made on really underpowered PC's with 32-bit processors while N64 made use of a 64-bit processor.
Its a complex task.

It just shows you know little.

heroicjanitor3397d ago

Sidar you know what he is saying, and that is that a pc should not be able to emulate a current gen console better than the original. That is all there is to it and by the time the 360 or ps3 can be emulated we will be 10 years or more down the line, and yes their hardware will be sub-standard by then. You are answering the wrong questions on purpose too.

""Uncharted 2 won't run on PCs"
Uuuh i doubt that, if it was a PC game that is. It could even run on higher settings. "

Of course it would if it was a pc game on a very powerful pc, just like any game designed for pc. But a pc can't emulate the ps3 yet, there is no getting around it.

ChickeyCantor3397d ago (Edited 3397d ago )

" Of course it would if it was a pc game on a very powerful pc, just like any game designed for pc. But a pc can't emulate the ps3 yet, there is no getting around it. "

EEEEH you don't know that. with the new CPU chips around the corner.
Also the emulator writers are doing this in their own free time, no one is paying them. No sh/t you don't see an emulator pop up in no time. Like i said its a complex task.

" pc should not be able to emulate a current gen console better than the original"
It should not? Really now, it just depends on how fast the writer can understand the architecture. A well written emulator can do much more on a pc than an emulator that is not.

Its not a case of " ITS IN THIS GEN SO IT CANT BE DONE " EEh no thats just loads of BS. ITs the fact that these things are made by just a group of just maybe 3 people(and in some cases just one person). It takes time, if a team of hundreds were to do it you would see much faster results.

As i said, lots of emulators were written on a PC who were underpowered to actually support full emulation.
An unpowered pc won't stop these people to write their emulator. This got nothing to do with in what age a console is and how fast PC's are.

@robo
There is a working emulator for DS.
And this emulator is derived from an existing GCN emulator because the hardware is close to eachother.

TheDude2dot03397d ago

The DS still doesn't have a working emulator, but the Wii does...

Does that mean the DS is more powerful than the Wii?

Substance3397d ago

They've had plenty of time to emulate the Wii. The Wii hardware has been out for 2 generations now. It was first called a Gamecube.

heroicjanitor3397d ago

But they can't emulate the ps3 yet, because it is not old hardware.

N4g_null3397d ago

"The point being all those systems are 10 years or older. It is pretty sad when a comp can emulate a "current gen" system better then the original."

Really I'm with sidar on this, why is this sad? Currently my PC runs xbox 360 and PS3 games way better. It has more power? Spell out what you are trying to say we don't read minds.

Oh your trying to say the Wii is weak, right. It can not emulate a 10 year old system? Um this is a Wii emulated on a PC, read the articule.

The Wii runs all of it's VC games just fine? No lag either, pretty much prefect. There is no problem so your point is there is a problem with Wii emulation? If that is true then your wrong.

The fact that the Wii can pretty much play every thing from the past minus PS brand games is impressive. Can the PS3 do that? Oh they took BC out of the low end ones, what the cell can not handle PS2 emulation on it's own? WOW it was so powerful though! Hmmm isn't that sad? Oh and don't get me started on the 360 those guys gave up on BC a while ago. Most gamers where forced to keep their old xbox to play games. Yet these vary systems should be able to emulate a Wii yet they can not even support the gen behind them, PS2 and xbox fully.

Now that is sad.

Oh yeah the only thing stopping us from playing weak PS3 games on the PC is the RSX chip security. So far it's proving to be the best security device gaming has ever seen. Once it is cracked that system may become a dreamcast. Every one knows it even the developers.

Also you guys do understand most of your HD console games where emulated on a PC during development right? Why would it make the Wii any different?

I believe in your trolling abilities, you can find away to make this a bad thing! Come on don't let us down!

heroicjanitor3397d ago

What was your point again in all of that? That the ps2 or xbox can't be emulated yet but the wii can? Or are you trying to say something about whether or not the wii is good at emulating things? Everything from ps1 back is easy to emulate, and they all have very good emulators on pcs, the only reason the wii can't play ps1 games is obvious, they don't own them.

But back to the original argument. Home pcs shouldn't be able to emulate current gen consoles. Even if they managed to crack the ps3 and get everything running, you would need an extremely powerful pc, which most people don't have. The ps3 is far more powerful than most home pcs, and pcs have to multitask as well. So they can't do it. Consoles only need to concentrate on the games, pcs need to run loads of things at the same time, and yet they still manage to emulate the wii? That is a current gen console, so pcs shouldn't be able to run it's games and multitask without grinding to a halt.

Basically what people are getting at is that this proves how old the wii hardware is, and it feels like nintendo sold us the gamecube twice.

ZuperAmazingCooKie3397d ago

Why do you like to play dumb? As realists are pointing out, the Wii is just Gamecube 1.2, so naturally it's easy to emulate by a PC. The "Loads of processing power" argument doesn't help your point, since the "Loads" used for Wii evidently can't be used to emulate 360 or PS3.

Yeah, the GPUs in PCs are more powerful than PS3 and 360 GPUs, and they have more RAM, but as far as CPUs go, the most powerful CPUs right now barely outperform the 360 CPU, and the PS3 CPU still destroys pretty much every other commercially available CPU and will for some time, at least in terms of Floating Point Operations.

It's pointless to mention that you can run a game on higher resolution on PC because that's not emulation, the PC requires a *Port* of the PS360 game to run well, you can't emulate them and you won't for a long time; and that's why it's sad for the Wii, since you don't need a Wii to play most of its games, and in fact you don't even need an expensive PC as you would with most PS360 ports.

And by the way, GDC2009 called, it said Crysis already runs on PS360.

ChickeyCantor3397d ago (Edited 3397d ago )

Ofcourse crysis runs on consoles, AFTER A MODIFICATION.
PC's will always take the higher setting crowns.

" But they can't emulate the ps3 yet, because it is not old hardware. "
LMAO this got nothing to do with anything, you basically ignored everything i just sad. There are hardly any emulators out there that perfectly run games as they should. There is always a programming flaw even if you don't see it.

Its not how new hardware is, its the emulator writer, his time and knowledge.

"Basically what people are getting at is that this proves how old the wii hardware is, and it feels like nintendo sold us the gamecube twice. "
If you got it you shouldn't be complaining, you as a consumer are just playing dumb its called research.

" It's pointless to mention that you can run a game on higher resolution on PC because that's not emulation"
Again, i was just pointing out that a PC can do sh/tloads more especially when its written natively. PC's will always be superior to consoles.

" what the cell can not handle PS2 emulation on it's own? "
AAAnd this.
And one of the reason might have been because EMULATION IS COMPLEX and not a one day job. Thats why it takes time and got nothing to do with how new hardware is.

SpoonyRedMage3397d ago

I don't know the specifics but if professional developers are complaining about the complexity of the PS3 and they have a full team working on it how hard will it be to get an emulator working?

ChickeyCantor3397d ago

But you see " getting it to work" and "a pc having the power to handle" it are two different things.

And thats what im saying, emulation on its own is complex as it is.
It takes lots of time and man power if you actually want to make an emulator in a much shorter time.

ZuperAmazingCooKie3397d ago (Edited 3397d ago )

It's not just that "emulation is a complex task", there isn't powerful enough hardware to handle emulation of the GPU and CPU of PS360. Also, to make an emulator you'd need a computer that is dozens of times more powerful than PS360 in order to test it properly.

As I said before, the GPUs in the market today are, at best, 3-4 times more powerful than the GPUs found on PS360, but console games can take advantage of their own GPUs a whole lot more than PCs, so basically the best you'll get from PC is games running at higher resolutions, nothing else like better textures, better shader programs, better physics or AI. And that's only if the port is good unlike GTA4 which is garbage on PC, so is Assassyn's creed.

Just admit it, Wii's hardware is garbage and Nintendo knew they could get away with it because gamers buy any console regardless of its power (even if they prefer more power), and because non-gamers and casuals don't care about technology, only about gimmicks.

If gaming on PS3 is the equivalent of dining at a high cuisine restaurant, then Wii is the equivalent of McDonalds. The specs of the DSi when compared to the DS remind me of the microscopic jump from gamecube to Wii. It's despicable to see how Nintendo can simply rebrand and repackage the same product, and release new games for it that could be played on old consoles with minor add-ons. Even more despicable to see its apologists have nerdgasms just because Nintendo is making more profit than they did before even though they're playing the same games as they did last-generation. Nintendo could sell their own brand of turd and it would sell to its fanboys and apologists. Wake up, nintendo is not synonymous with state of the art game development anymore.

I frown upon Nintendo's mediocre R&D and suspicious Marketing department, all they're proving is how much they look down upon those that care about games. I encourage everyone to play pirated Wii games on their PC Wii emulator instead of doing the "right thing" in order to drive Nintendo to make better, un-emulable and un-pirateable consoles for next-generation instead of repackaging the Wii yet again and adding another silly gimmick and planning to sell tons of add-ons eventually.

Nintendo's success can only be compared to financial arbitrage, an oportunity to make profit with no risk and no merit that is only proof of how lazy you can be to make money, how little you care about those affected, and how you're only watching loopholes in the system instead of actually taking the industry forward by focusing on next-generation product development. This may be good for Nintendo's stockholders, but gamers are losing, and developers are losing even more due to the fact that they mostly sell shovelware on Wii, and though making plenty of revenue their profit margins are smaller than those seen in AAA PS360 productions, not to mention all the layoffs due to the fact that Wii shovelware needs little workforce to be made, and if this goes on it could lead to an industry-wide crash.

Oh, and of course consoles run crysis "AFTER A MODIFICATION", it's called optimization. The sacrifice in quality is very little as you can see in the tech demo. Kudos to Sony and Microsoft for being able to keep up with the latest game technology even this far from their respective console launches.

"" what the cell can not handle PS2 emulation on it's own? "
"AAAnd this.
And one of the reason might have been because EMULATION IS COMPLEX and not a one day job. Thats why it takes time and got nothing to do with how new hardware is. "

Uh, no. PS3 is perfectly capable of emulating PS2, Sony is simply not interested from a financial stand-point because PS2 is selling very well. Make the PS3 PS2-capable and they'll lose the cash cow that the PS2 is. It makes sense to make the PS3 fully PS2-capable with a firmware update once the PS2 is phased out and the PS3 is no more than $299.99 at retail.

sukru3397d ago (Edited 3397d ago )

Can you see how much time it took to make a viable PC emulator, when we had 8086 for many many decades? You not only have to emulate the CPU and GPU, but all kinds of chips on the motherboard (memory, timer, interrupt, IO, floppy, HDD, etc, etc, etc) controllers. Now we can run PC inside a PC at 2-3 times speed degradation only.

Look at Sony and Microsoft. With all those software teams employed by them, emulation of PS2 and original Xbox is not perfect. And Sony made a shortcut, by including an actual PS2 graphics chip in every software emulation capable PS3. This was probably much more cheaper than wasting talent on emulating the chip (i.e.: that developer time can be better spent on working on actual games).

So I don't practically expect having very good emulators of current gen consoles (I don't count Wii, I'm a gamer), until significant amount of time (maybe 10 years) pass, and some open source developers have enough boredom.

N4g_null3396d ago

heroicjanitor wow you guys have some reading comprehension problems.

No one is apologizing for the Wii either. I can now run crysis at 140 FPS at 8 and 16 AA filters. A i7 core could easily emulate the PS3. Seriously it's only a power chip and some little cores. The only thing stopping it from happening is the security. No one has really tried to crack it to tell you the truth.

Like I said before PS3 and xbox 360 games are emulated on a PC first then the code is tested on the actual dev unit. So it has already happened LOL.

Do you think the coders just sit around making code on the dev unit along? Nope....

Seriously PCs out class the current HD console to the point that the console are actualy PC from 2002 if you look at the code and the APIs. Most of your games run in direct x 9 and use shaders, and other standard things that PC use. So really think about this. PC are the big brothers of the current consoles so why would it be hard for a PC from 2009 to emulate a PC from 2002?

You guys have really fallen for the HD console hype and it's hilarious!

I will point it out once again, that the PS3 can not emulate the PS2 yet it is suppose to be so much more powerful. Yet PC do the job just find as one of the trolls above have pointed out. Now that is sad. You don't like it because it kills your hype that should have been dead a long time ago.

ZuperAmazingCooKie you can tell when a person does not know what they are talking about when they have to use a high cuisine restaurant analogy. Do you even know how lame that is?

here are spec from a chip much like the RSX.

NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT 512MB DDR3 PCI-EXPRESS VIDEO CARD
Processor Cores 64 the rsx has 24 if you get tricky in code.

My card has Processor Cores 480 ( 240 per GPU )
Graphics Clock (MHz) 576 MHz
Texture Fill Rate (billion/sec) 92.2

the i7 core from intel crushes the hell out of the cell, other wise SONY would have released that workstation they claimed they where making along with their OS that would beat MS.

Seeing as the HD console are basically like macs and vice-versa no emulation is needed. Instead of running code thru the retarded cell you just use a i7 core witch really is 10x+ more powerful than the cell. If that is not enough I'd bet my video crad could run a PS3 game by it self LOL.

Hey believe what you want. You don't know how retarded you would look telling this stuff to real people that actually work on these chips.

Another thing that this emulator reveals is the fact that when the next Wii does come out all games will get a slight boost in visuals due to HD output possibly. Now that is cool.

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Yi-Long3398d ago

... My girlfriend has a Wii at her home, but I'd love to play some of the Wii games in HD, especially Madworld, Mario Galaxy, etc.

What kind of PC will you need to run this emulator smoothly and without problems, since there aren't even perfect Dreamcast/PS2 emulators out yet (I believe)

Btw, what do the SNES/Sega classics look like when playing in 1080p!? I hope they don't smooth/blur stuff or anything like that.

I'm thinking of buying a new separate high-end PC to function solely as a game/media-center, connected to a HDTV through HDMI. Would be nice to play some PC classics like Sim City 4 on 1080P on a huge screen.

ChickeyCantor3398d ago (Edited 3398d ago )

Im not sure, but depending on wether this Emulator is making good use of a GPU-plugin is an important question. You will need a good video card for this.
So basically you need a really fast CPU, around 3~4 ghz( and best thing to have is dual core, or more...if the emulator support it)
Enough ram and thats pretty much it. Just realise that the emulator needs to calculate the original data first and then translate it to your CPU language. This is why you need the fastest and efficient CPU for it.

Also you can use awesome filters on SNES and SEGA games, If you dont use filters it will be a piece of pixel art in 1080P, and honestly it has its charms =D.

once i have a big HDtv in my own room, PC will have allot of playtime with me.

edit:
For n64 emulators there is a plugin out there that allows costume textures, meaning you can have a game like Zelda with HQ textures.
Emulators = awesome

Skizelli3397d ago

For Dreamcast, I recommend nullDC. For PS2, I recommend PCSX2.

PirateThom3397d ago

Ehhh... PS2 is a weird one, there's still a lot of trouble emulating games, even on good PCs, because of the way the CPU cores sync with each other.

They only recently, with PCSX2, got native running speeds for 3D games, and with Dual Core processors (and a good video card), games to run at better than native speed. It's still not perfect though.

Still a long way to go in PS2 emulation before they're able to do any upscaling.

kewlkat0073397d ago

Grrr.....

Anyhow Where is Power Stone HD/Online when you need it?

Oh CAPCOM...

y0haN3398d ago

Wow if the Wii graphics were like that then maybe I'd play it more, it's just fugly compared to PC/PS3/360.

Cheeseknight283397d ago

I guess it's a good thing graphics aren't the most important aspect of any game, right?

I mean, if that was the case, then Sonic & the Black Knight would be Wii GOTY!

xabmol3398d ago

Now I don't have to buy another Wii. That's what you get for hanging back a gen Nintendo. Easy to emulate.

Downloading it now :)

nerubii3397d ago

wow!

yeah.. so you gonna emulate motion controls with the press of a key or use a wii remote instead?

wat about on-rail games? you gonna use a mouse to click on it or a wii remote?

Elven63397d ago

IIRC you can use the Wii Motion Controller with this emulator.

xabmol3397d ago (Edited 3397d ago )

Actually I'm gonna use the 360 controller I got a while back to play my other emulators I got on my pc. (PS1,SNES,etc.) I may pick up a used Wiimote and a couple of inferred LEDs later on if I really need to.

vickers5003397d ago

Where did you download it from? Please post a link.

xabmol3397d ago (Edited 3397d ago )

I don't think we are allowed to put a direct link to this on N4G. But telling you to Google "Wii Dolphin" should be ok. 0.<

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