This thread in the AVS Forums seems to address typical Sony Marketing tactics, and the desperation of the Blu-Ray consortium. It also doesn't speak well of Best Buy's dedication to customer satisfaction.
bla bla bla. my taunt talked me that a EB Games employeer pushed her to buy a Toshiba HDVD Player. can you stop posting such stupid senseless articles, which only purpose is to bash sony ?! ms pushes everyone to buy windows when you are buying a pc, who cares about this ??? noone, so stop spreading rumours (yes these are no facts) which has nothing to do with the ps3.
IF THIS IS TRUE. This is the same thing that Sony did w/ the Dreamcast. Forced retailers to put it in the back, and take down all ads for it. They probably payed a good amount of money to Best Buy. Let's see if it works.
Edit: Sorry, didn't notice this was in a forum. I will go check my Best Buy to see what is happening.
and that's about goddamned it.
lol Microsoft doesn't make you buy Windows...but I'd like to see your computer operate without it...their the only ones CAPABLE with enough experience to make the OS, know how long it would take another company to design an entire OS? not to mention they'd have to beat out Windows first, nice try their
If this is true which I think it is then sony is sad.
When I can buy one at walmart for 34.99 like a regular dvd player i will get one.
I Didn't see this one coming, oh wait I did. Another useless topic about another useless article that that we knew would happen any way.
Some one who makes some sense around here.
fake news ,sorry nothing interesting here
Lets post real articles and not made up lies on a forum. This sounds made up and probably is. I agree with #1. PRINT ARTCLES, not a users comments full of lies. I also went to Best buy this weekend and Blu-ray and HD-dvd were BOTH hooked up and both looked good. GET OFF THE LIES.
I'm not a Sony fan, but I just got off the phone with a Best Buy manager (my company sells wholesale stuff) and I asked her if they were pushing the Bluray or the HD-DVD, and she said they put equal amounts of both on the floor and showcase them equally. I did ask if she knows of any pressure to push one more than the other, and she said that they are worrying about Sony (from what they've done before) but it shouldn't be a problem since BestBuy is so big. And, they haven't heard anything from Sony on the subject as far as she knows.
Everyone will now discredit everything you ever post. You just out right lied. Everyone has access to a phone and they will all see if they choose to make the call..that you just lied. Why? Why are you trying to cover up what Sony does? It don't matter. Walmart ain't going for it and that where the bulk of the consumers will decide the next gen of gaming and movie playback. But its true. I went there. I talked to the sales people. Anyone can go see for themselves. DOn't take my word for it. Corporate will not put the hd dvd out on display. They have an agreement with Sony to only display the Blu ray player. They told me that Sony paid for that to happen. But if you ask enough they will plug in the hd dvd player on the same screen as the blu ray and then you can see what SONY does not want you to see. I don't know why. But hd dvd looks better than blu ray. See for your self. But thats probably why sony didn't want them being displayed at the same time. That would KILL blu ray sales. 500 dollars more and it looks worse. Hell no.
theRealDeal thats bad for you, hahaaa. this topic is crap invented by a xrat like you. go play you xfaggotcrap. looser
Achira flaming is not gonna get you support... it's just gonna p!ss people off!
sony are a$$holes.
yes they are...
Its not fake news. Go to Best buy and see for yourself. Ask the floor salesman. Thats what I did before I bought my hd dvd player this last weekend. And they will tell you the same. Its funny how sony fanboys even try to ignore the truth when its presented and makes sony look bad. Go to Best Buy...you will see what I already told you. And hd dvd does display 1080p. Not out the box. But when you get home you can download the firmware update which makes it able to display 1080p. I did and its unbelievable.
i went to best buy and your full of sh1t
Could you explain how your displaying a 1080p resolution through your HD-DVD player when HD-DVD movies are formatted in 720p and 1080i???
I looked in my newspaper and best buy and circuit city where advertising blu ray and hd dvd was non exsistant. Seems that the market likes blu ray better.
to be honest it does have a cooler name
Why are you trying to cover up what Sony does? It don't matter. Walmart ain't going for it and that where the bulk of the consumers will decide the next gen of gaming and movie playback. But its true. I went there. I talked to the sales people. Anyone can go see for themselves. DOn't take my word for it. Corporate will not put the hd dvd out on display. They have an agreement with Sony to only display the Blu ray player. They told me that Sony paid for that to happen. But if you ask enough they will plug in the hd dvd player on the same screen as the blu ray and then you can see what SONY does not want you to see. I don't know why. But hd dvd looks better than blu ray. See for your self. But thats probably why sony didn't want them being displayed at the same time. That would KILL blu ray sales. 500 dollars more and it looks worse. Hell no.
you are ignorant fool. sony even does not sell the blue ray player. its from samsung, why should sony do this ??? your logic is crazzy bad.
The early adopter crowd started panning the Samsung BD-P1000 for its inability to match (not outshine but not even match) the video performance of Toshiba HD-DVD X1-A player. That is not a "Sony" player, but it is a Sony format and the format is the problem as much as the player due to the use of poor codecs (MPEG2) instead of improved ones (VC1).
The PS3 will AT BEST have a BD player on par with the Samsung unit. This means that its performance as a BD-player is going to be highly suspect at best. Sony forcing BD into the PS3 is actually going to give an even bigger boost to MS this fall when the PS3 fails to deliver the hype on two fronts - both the video game graphics front (won't look anything like the E3-05 promises at launch, not even close) and on the movie playback front (where a bad BD player has already been shown to deliver quality LESS than HD-DVD at TWICE the price!).
Face it, there is NO WAY to positively spin the results of the Blu-Ray debut and its lack of quality head-to-head with HD-DVD. The fact that Sony is trying to buy their way out of it is almost comical. They can do whatever they want, but most people in the videophile world are savy enough to get the information and the comparisons of HD-DVD and BD before they choose. They are going to adopt the better looking of the two formats and the early lead there is no contest - HD-DVD is kicking the sh!t out of BD in picture quality. That is probably a huge reason why Sony delayed their player to get it out as close to the PS3 as possible - limit the collateral dammage from an under-performing software format (Blu-Ray movies) as much as possible.
You are the ignorant Fool!!!!!!!!!!!!
no, you are the ignorant fool!
I'm sure if Blu-ray was stocked in an obscure corner and HD-DVD was getting love from the retailers it would be PERFECTLY OK. There would be no conspiracy. Everyone just understands how great HD-DVD is!!! Hallelujah!!!
These conspiracy theories are fun to read though. Does it ever occur to fanboys that people just tend to like the Blu-ray format more? Nope eveyone in the world is an idiot except them. Sheesh.
Some of those people on AVS seem to be out of touch just a bit. If blu-ray isn't twice as good as HD-DVD the picture is "horrible". Some bad HD-DVD movies "don't count" because the transfers weren't done "properly".
Give me a frakking break.
Whether you like it or not the practice of displaying certain products above, below or end-capping one product over another is a business strategy called 'Retail Display Allowance' or RDA. You can thank the grocery business for implementing this over 40 years ago.
The decision to place products in higher profile positioning is made by an agreement between the retailer and the supplier/distributor. This is an extreemly lucrative element of how retail chains remain viable. Ever walk through a Best Buy and see 10 customers and 25 staff and wonder how they keep the lights on? The lights are already paid for.
There can be unethical business practices in how competitive products are placed versus one another, it's really only a matter of 'how much' that company wants to spend. In SONY's case they have a lot on the line with BR and the PS3. The hard costs of R & D, production & distribution are simply part of the whole equation that includes RDA, commissions and marketing expenses.
I for one would love to see the marketing budget for BR and the PS3.
SONY will have to fight hard to retain their percentage of market share. Last time they fought against an unprepared and cash strapped SEGA and an equally unprepared Nintendo. SEGA was replaced by a competitor with more cash (and in this case-brains) and Nintendo wants their piece of the pie back. This war will be won on the sales floor and on your TV. The winner will have the best marketing strategy.
Who has the most to gain based against last generation? Nintendo. Who has the most cash? That's easy. Who has the most to lose?
The hardest position to gain in business is #1. The hardest postion to hold? #1.
just go to your own Best buy if you don't believe the article. I couldn't find one either unless I asked customer service.
Perhaps even the mention of this will make Sony stop, who knows.
yes i was by best buy. and there were both, HD-DVD and BLUE-Ray. its getting boring with you xrats.
I have been keenly interested in seeing how the Samsung BD-P1000 would be received by the early-adopters and from what I have seen at very respected AV sites like www.AVSforums.com and projectorcentral.com, the news for BD is not very inspiring...
The $1000 Samsung BD player is getting de-pants in many reviews by the $500 Toshiba HD-DVD player on video quality. That does not necessarily suggest the BD format is doomed, although it is embarassing to have quotes like this : "Overall, our initial experience with the Samsung BD player and the initial Blu-Ray discs leaves us underwhelmed. The image quality does not measure up to what we would expect from a high-definition source, and it certainly falls short of the hype." (Projectorcentral.com)
The story circulating the newsgroups and forums is that BD does NOT represent any great advantage over HD-DVD for the single most anticipated feature of either format - MOVIE PLAYBACK. I can certainly understand better now why Sony delayed the launch of their own BD player if the Samsung is so bad - they can't afford another high profile flop in advance of the PS3 release. They have so much riding on the future of BD that a piss-poor initial Blu-Disc player from them would have been catastrophic.
As it sits, things still don't look very rosy for them at the momenmt, and share hodlers have every right to be very worried and angry and in need of some top-level (CEO) reassurance. The list is long and growing by the week for Sony troubles.
If Blu-Ray is going to initially cost 2X HD-DVD and not show any meaningful improvement in picture quality (that should sound pretty familiar in this forum - where PS3 is going to cost nearly 2X XB360 and not show any meaningful improvement for in-game graphics), they are going to have a very hard time getting people to adopt the format.
The strange thing is that bad BD players might actually be GOOD news for the PS3...in a twisted and warped sort of way. If the first BD players all suck as bad as the initial reviews of the Samsung player, then the PS3 offering the Blu-Ray playback functionality at 1/2 price may look more attractive to some people. It may actually make some ill-informed consumers say "well, I know the PS3 is expensive comapred to the competition and it looks about the same, but hey, I do get a sub-par HD-disc player too...." Of course, those people may just buy it because it says "Sony" on it anyway...
The reality of the situation is this -IHMO - Sony and BD may have a ton of studio support at the moment, but if they cannot show a vastly superior picture quality (both have equal audio capability anyway), then the installed user base will suffer. When that user base suffers - on two fronts apparently, with one front being the overpriced and underwhelming PS3 in-game graphics relative to hype (making sales of the PS3 more tenuous than previously thought based on game graphics and such) and the second being a similar fate for Blu-Ray discs versus HD-DVD in picture quality - and when the installed user base is weaker than forecast or promised, then the studio support enjoyed by Blu-Ray now may just evaporate. Maybe not all at once, maybe in the form of more "dual-format" releases. But long term, selling something with inferior quality (or even comprable but very close quality) at 2X the price fo the competition is suicide.
Games aside, the PS3 is going to be at best the same quality of Blu-Ray player as the recently released (and panned) Samsung player. Anyone who really believes Sony is going to put a top-of-the-line, best available model player in their PS3 is sniffing glue. The much hyped "feature" of having a next-gen DVD player in addition to gaming is going to look remarkably bad if that "feature" cannot even deliver the hyped picture quality. If a bad BD player produces picture quality that is barely better than an upconverted DVD, then that is no longer a "bonus" feature, but it is an albatross on the product's neck.
What else has been said about it (Samsung's BD palyer)?
How about this quote: "Blu-Ray discs have been encoded in MPEG2, whereas HD-DVD has been encoded in VC-1 (editorial - the new HD compression format developed by Microsoft) - though there was an obvious difference in the quality of the 3 Blu-Ray discs we viewed, even the best of them falls short of the video quality of our HD-DVD samples." (projectorcentral.com)
And finally, this:
"If you buy one now, you risk makign a huge investment in Blu-Ray gear and movies, and then watching in horror as HD-DVD winds up winning the format war. Or vice versa. If that's your fate, then you'll have to junk your whole investment. In that case, don't forget to visit our sister site : Modern-Day-Betamax-suckers.com ." (New York Times - 6/22/06)
stop lying achira i was at best buy and your full of crap
Has Blu-ray out front on a HDTV, and the HD-DVD player is the next aisle back with no display, just the player sitting on a table.
Remember the fake movie revews? or when Sony were paying off DJ's to play Sony owned music on the radio?
Yeah Sony has tons of dirty little secrets!
sony are some shady mother fukcers
I buy all sony products. I love Sony. I have a Sony digital cam corder, I have a Sony Lab Top computer, I have my original playstion, ps2, and I plan on getting the ps3. I'm am what you would call a Sony Fanboy. And I'm ok with that. But I won't lie on Sony's behalf. I am not happy with sony adding blu ray to the ps3. I am not happy with how they are delaying the ps3 when it was suppose to come out in March 2006. I'm not happy that at E3 I was looking to get excited and brag to all my friends how it was going to blow away the 360 but they showed nothing. And most of what they did show was running on a 360. I'm bothered but not swayed by that. I would be lying if I said I wasn't. But I did go to my best buy today and the 360 fanboys are right. Blu ray is in front being diplayed on a 1080p tv and hd dvd is in the back hidden. I did ask why is that to the floor salesmen and he said that corporate won't let them diplay it next to the blu ray machine. The floor salesman told me hd dvd right now actually looks a tad better than blu ray. I then asked well why would corporate do that then. He shrugged his shoulders smerked and said that sony has paid for it to be the only one being displayed on the end cap. I then said but sony doesn't make that blu ray player. He then said that sony made blu ray so sony gets paid for anything blu ray. Movies, players, ect. I love sony. But I hate the fact that they are banking so much on blu ray. I know I can't be the only Sony fan that feels this way. I might just be the only one who is just honest with myself and not ashamed to be a sony fan even through thick and thin.
wow....thank you for being honest, it's good to be honest every once and a while...
You know what...I'd love to say PS3 will only be as popular as Blu-Ray will be...but that isn't true, and I'd love to say it's to highly priced to appeal to a regular consumer, which it is but we all know everyone will get it simply cause it's shiny and says "SONY"... They've dropped the ball big time on this one, sony continues to shoot it's self in the foot repeatedly with their comments all contradicting what the other execs are saying. They have made some bad business decisions, but you know what the sad thing is their are people who don't see what they do, know what their doing or care about what their being forced to make a standard and that alone is the reason why the ps3 will win, which is just a shame, if people were more informed and knew what we know when it comes to Sony, their would be a much different outcome with these game machines, because ingenuity and creativity should win out, because their videogames remember, not damn movie players, their game machines, Nintendo is the one who should win, they deserve it, they're the only ones with that ingenuity and creativity, not Microsoft...Not Sony... Microsoft get's the nod for listening to consumers and giving them on-line gaming and the arcade and the demos but in the end all these two are doing is slapping a bigger processor and graphics card in a box, (and a non-standard movie player) giving you a wireless controller and selling it for twice of the last generation. It's a shame what we, me included will buy from these two companies, I remember Nintendo, simply Nintendo, when it used to be fun, when it wasn't confusing for a consumer, when a videogame was a videogame, don't get me wrong I love the new graphics, gameplay, and new features, their cool but hardly necessary...but in the end their just selling you specs, they're handing you a box with no ingenuity, no creativity involved just a box showing you how big your graphics card is, your GPU, and how it's going to be so life-like you'll be in aww of it, I'm not sure where the road changed but I would rather seeing these other two companies sitting down and saying "How can we make videogames fun with these new machines" rather than sitting down and saying "How can we make these machines more profitable" I'm not sure about any of you but Mario anyday will always be the most amazing game ever created...because it was innovative and I can personally say I get more from 5 minutes of Mario than I could ever get from any videogame in the past 10 years...k sorry for the rant...PEACE
i for one wont be buying a blue ray player,it sucks sony are rats hd dvd all the way
Have you guys ever looked at a Samsung LCD flat-panel playing next to a Sony/Panasonic/Sharp LCD flat-panel? If you have, you would know that Samsung is not the leader in quality electronics and that most Japanese manufacturers would run all over them. I'm not saying that they are bad, I'm just saying that I'm not suprised that the Toshiba player (even with it's initial problems and all) is an overall better quality player. And don't try to tell me that the issue isn't with the player but rather with the format because Sony and Samsung may have a partnership, but they both still have seperate banking accounts = Sony isn't so stupid to have been one of the major players in creating the Blu-ray format just to have a competitor one-up them in hardware quality. I'm not implying that Sony is just letting Samsung take a fall (that would be bad for Blu-ray overall), but they also can't just let HD-DVD get too much exposure by being the first one out. Might as well have Samsung lead the charge, and if it isn't that great, then Sony to the rescue. Sorry if this doesn't make too much sense, think I've had a little too much to drink...hell, reading it over again and can't make much sense out of it myself. Oh well.
Knowing that all of you americans never do agree with each other at all in anyway.
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