Sony's massively successful PlayStation and PlayStation 2 consoles both sold upwards of 100 million units worldwide. But despite the PlayStation 3's steep price point, Sony's sales expectations haven't flagged at all.
Their a business, with shareholders. If they came out and said "Sorry guys I think we've priced it out of the mass market and won't sell as many as we hoped" they'd be in real trouble. All companies EXPECT huge sales they wouldn't make the thing otherwise, Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Toyota, Mcdonalds. What a pontless story :)
You know what...I'd love to say PS3 will only be as popular as Blu-Ray will be...but that isn't true, and I'd love to say it's to highly priced to appeal to a regular consumer, which it is but we all know everyone will get it simply cause it's shiny and says "SONY"... They've dropped the ball big time on this one, sony continues to shoot it's self in the foot repeatedly with their comments all contradicting what the other execs are saying. They have made some bad business decisions, but you know what the sad thing is their are people who don't see what they do, know what their doing or care about what their being forced to make a standard and that alone is the reason why the ps3 will win, which is just a shame, if people were more informed and knew what we know when it comes to Sony, their would be a much different outcome with these game machines, because ingenuity and creativity should win out, because their videogames remember, not damn movie players, their game machines, Nintendo is the one who should win, they deserve it, they're the only ones with that ingenuity and creativity, not Microsoft...Not Sony... Microsoft get's the nod for listening to consumers and giving them on-line gaming and the arcade and the demos but in the end all these two are doing is slapping a bigger processor and graphics card in a box, (and a non-standard movie player) giving you a wireless controller and selling it for twice of the last generation. It's a shame what we, me included will buy from these two companies, I remember Nintendo, simply Nintendo, when it used to be fun, when it wasn't confusing for a consumer, when a videogame was a videogame, don't get me wrong I love the new graphics, gameplay, and new features, their cool but hardly necessary...but in the end their just selling you specs, they're handing you a box with no ingenuity, no creativity involved just a box showing you how big your graphics card is, your GPU, and how it's going to be so life-like you'll be in aww of it, I'm not sure where the road changed but I would rather seeing these other two companies sitting down and saying "How can we make videogames fun with these new machines" rather than sitting down and saying "How can we make these machines more profitable" I'm not sure about any of you but Mario anyday will always be the most amazing game ever created...because it was innovative and I can personally say I get more from 5 minutes of Mario than I could ever get from any videogame in the past 10 years...k sorry for the rant...PEACE
Just curious...how can my comment (#2) possibly be disagreed with twice? It's the most straight forward comment I've ever written on this website, and it's totally true, but I guess thats why we all have an opinion, but if your going to disagree, let me know why...
disagreed with 4 times now bich
Expectation maybe a little to high much like your price
Well they have to say this, because they almost had 600 million dollar loss in first quarter 2006.
But well I don't know if the selling of the PS3 changes so much about those losses. Every PS3 will have something like 300 dollars loss on hardware. That times the number of consoles sold is an extra loss.
It could get profatible if the rate of games sold per console would be high. BUT the PS2 also had an average number of 2 games sold per console. XBOX/360 has an average of 5 games sold per console. There you have the difference. It's difficult to get the loss back with so few games per console sold...
The possible 'free' online service won't help them either. They won't make money on that part also, only loss. And what's the choice? Get a 'free' sh*tty online service (all things for free mostly s*ck bigtime) or pay a little (5 dollars a month for Live is worth a lot of fun compare it to 20 dollars to see a movie @ the boxoffice in hours of fun) for a premium service.
I think even Sony fans would choose the last option.
So Sony sell 100 million consoles is not the most important. To sell games, services and more, that's the most important base for a company
Why is it you always have to make comments like this all the time, go back to your Xbox section of this website and stop annoying people.I am no Fanboy but What I can tell that I know while there are people who will buy the Playstation and its games no mater what we are not idiotic fanboys or people we do know that Sony will make big losses just like other companies. As for Sony Products they always sell it for high Prices.
"It could get profitable if the rate of games sold per console would be high. BUT the PS2 also had an average number of 2 games sold per console. XBOX/360 has an average of 5 games sold per console. There you have the difference. It's difficult to get the loss back with so few games per console sold..."
I have more then five games and intend to get four more.
"The possible 'free' online service won't help them either. They won't make money on that part also, only loss. And what's the choice? Get a 'free' sh*tty online service (all things for free mostly s*ck bigtime) or pay a little (5 dollars a month for Live is worth a lot of fun compare it to 20 dollars to see a movie @ the boxoffice in hours of fun) for a premium service."
Even though Sony won't make money off there online Services I bet Games developers will end up charge for updates and such on there games, which they will have to pay money to Sony for being on the PS3 because it will be part of what these companies will have to enter into there agreement for doing games on the PS3.
And maybe you can tel me why you and other people have to make this into an Xbox VS Playstation.
I am reacting on industry news. That's news in the console industry. I have the right to give my opinion on these statements Sony makes. If you don't like it, that's not my problem.
I give statements with facts. If you don't like them, don't go to news4gamers.com because it is a portal to PS3, XBOX and general industry news.
That said if you don't like it go to a general PS3 site without sections. Furthermore, I see that you have comments that could make sence, so let's answer those.
YOu own more then 5 games and have the thought of getting 4 more. That's you. That's no empirical statements build on facts. Research has shown the average is low on PS2 games on each console and that the original xbox/360 sells 5 games average which is more then double on PS2. Fact end of discussion. ROI is low on that part of consoles sold with possible loss. Sony is not having the right numbers to be on top. What's the goal: pushing as much systems with a low average games sold or sell a bit less systems and higher average number of games sold? Tell me
So you say companies have to pay Sony for online gaming of consumers. That sounds interesting. So it gets more expensive for producers to launch their games on Sony's platform. Where do the game producers get that money back on? Two possibilities:
1. Games will be more expensive
2. The producers themselve will charge consumers on using game servers.
Nr. 1 will cost you a lot more when you buy more games then paying seperately for a online service
Nr. 2 is done with PS2 and we all know what sh*tty that was. Almost no online support or broken online gaming, paying for it and one feels betrayed.
So if you're a big boy you don't whine, but react with facts. If you don't than please don't post will ya
I wasn't whinging its just that every time I see you posting on this website it seem you are always posting something negative most of time, I am not saying you are whinger. Maybe you could post some sources for some of your info, also is the Research world wide or just from America or one country in particular.
Attach rate original XBOX:
"LOS ANGELES (Reuters) -
The attach rate, or average number of games sold per console, stood at about 5.4:1 in the United States and 5:1 globally as of June 30, Microsoft said."
Attach rate 360
"The overall software attach rate for Xbox 360 is still a record-breaking 4.5 titles per console in the United States, and accessory attach rate remains at a record-breaking 2.9 units per console as well. As we head into the summer months, Xbox 360 gamers can’t wait to get their hands on upcoming favorites like "Lord of the Rings: Battle for Middle Earth 2" (Electronic Arts), "NCAA Football 2007” (Electronic Arts), the Xbox 360 exclusive "Chromehounds" (SEGA), the Xbox 360 exclusive "Dead Rising" (Capcom), "Madden NFL 2007" (Electronic Arts), and the Xbox 360 exclusive "Ninety Nine Nights" (MGS)."
Compare attach rates for consoles in the same time of the life cycle. So after 6 months after launch 360 with PS2. And XBOX after few years with PS2.
You'll see XBOX/360 score better.
360 with an average of 4 or 5 is twice the number within 6 months after launch of PS2.
You can compare these numbers, 4 games by launch in november 360 with the highest number of games sold @ launch with the original XBOX average 2.4 (the PS2 was under this number, somewhere between 1 and 2 games):
"REDMOND, Wash., Dec. 4, 2001 — The Xbox (TM) video game system from Microsoft Corp. had the best-selling video game console launch on record after two weeks of sales, according to The NPD Group Inc., the definitive source for sales and market data on the video game industry.
"The data clearly show that Xbox is off to a torrid start," said Robbie Bach, chief Xbox officer at Microsoft. "Xbox sold out as soon as we launched, and we're selling systems as fast as we can produce them. More than 100,000 units a week are being delivered to retailers, so game players are likely to find Xbox systems throughout the holiday season. With one of the best launch lineups ever, I understand why Xbox is the most sought-after gift for the holiday."
Most importantly, Xbox purchasers can't get enough of the Xbox launch games. According to The NPD Group, gamers are buying 2.4 Xbox games with every Xbox, resulting in the highest game attach rate ever recorded for a console at launch. Sony Computer Entertainment America Inc. sold 1.9 games with every PlayStation 2 during the first two weeks of its launch last year, and Nintendo Company Ltd. has sold 1.9 games with every GameCube to date. "
Well, there you have it some facts for your knowledge
I cant make heads or tails of these quotes, it could be interpreted in many different ways.
If you can't I think it's good to highlight the most important numbers:
According to The NPD Group, gamers are buying:
2.4 Xbox games with every Xbox, resulting in the highest game attach rate ever recorded for a console at launch.
Sony Computer Entertainment America Inc. sold 1.9 games with every PlayStation 2 during the first two weeks of its launch last year
Nintendo Company Ltd. has sold 1.9 games with every GameCube to date.
Average 2.4 game XBOX is > then average PS2/Nintendo 1.9 AGREE?
The overall software attach rate for Xbox 360 is still a record-breaking 4.5 titles per console in the United States, and accessory attach rate remains at a record-breaking 2.9 units per console as well.
Average games sold 360 4.5 is > then original XBOX 2.4 and also > then PS2/Nintendo 1.9
It sells double the last gen attach rate of a PS2 by ease. Now you understand? Bebop if you don't understand these simple numbers, you'll never get it. I rest my case
First they release a black big PS2 then a year or so later a coloured PS2 then a slim line ps2 and they where the first out before the xbox 1,so thats how the sold so much, and its a good way of selling, and they will do the same thing with the ps3.
They sell so many PS2's because every owner have to get a new one once in a while because the DVD player is of sh*tty quality. All my friends I know with a PS2 can't play any games, because their DVD drive won't read their games (properly). So now the price drops so much, they get a new one because they invested in some games they would like to play... But that one will be sh*tty again, so there you have the large number of consoles sold...
Those were very good points there. Sony does need to stop concentratting on how much ps3 console they can sell and start concentrating on GAMES, SERVICES AND ACCESSORIES.
The more consoles sold = more losses.
Sony needs to start looking at areas where they can re-gain those losses or they will be in big trouble.
The more consoles sold = more losses
Sony is losing 300-400 on every console so lets say 350 and 350.00 times 100 million is alot of loot. Not pretty at all. Lots of zeros.
10 zeros to be exact
Sony probably will by around 2013.
Actually 2015 or 2016
And I expect to get 100 girls for random fun this weekend.
Dream on Sony
Oh yeah and I am not nuts I am the pope
all hail the pope
How is this a dream for sony. they already sold 100 million with ps2 so what makes you think they will not sell 100 million this time.
Ms will not sell 100 million period they have less than 30 million users and that is not majicly going to change to 100.
I think you should be concerned about how many consoles your xbox is selling and not ps3.
Something to think about then for you:
- PS2 sold so much because all owners need to buy at least two, because their first PS2 DVD player stopped working after a relative short period. I know a lot of people that have a PS2 where the DVD won't play games anymore. And when one own games for the PS2, one wants to play them. So they'll buy one again. For sure now they cost almost nothing anymore.
- PS2 is also bought by a large number of laggards. People that buy new stuff last in line. After 5 to 6 years of launch. They would never ever buy a brand new PSZero, 360 or Wii, just because they find that too expensive. So that's no competition
- People that buy a console, don't nescessarily buy a lot of games. Average games sold after launch/attach rate was 1.9 for Sony, 2.4 for original XBOX and 3.9 for the 360 (in the USA). I think the laggards that buy the PS2 now only have the money to buy one game extra.
- The PS2 is Sony's 2nd console. The XBOX is MS first console. To get the 2nd place in the market, with 30 million sold, so one third of PS, is a great thing done.
Who says that every former owner of a console buys the same brand again? Maybe a lot of PS fans are switching now that it is a year later then the 360, has less exclusives (GTA4 lost as an exclusive, Assassins Creed also for 360 and furthermore, the CGI footage of E3 2005 has gone to dull graphics now) and so on.
If you ask me, these are the most important facts:
360 sold 5 million
PSZero sold Zero
360 sold 10 million
PSZero launch if they don't delay or possible cancel (with about 600 million dollar loss only in the first quarter of 2006)
Furthermore, the attach rate of almost 4.5 games average at this moment and 3 hardware pieces, brings MS on a very profitable console, not to speak even about the Live earnings.
I would rather see MS only sell 60 million 360's compared to 100 million PSZero's if they have these marks and Sony only sells about 2 games per console at launch. Loosing at least 300 dollars on every PSZero it will be hard to stay on their feet @ Sony with already these losses this year.
I think you should be concerned about how much loss Sony is making and will make with PSZero.
MS is a very profitable company and XBOX whiped the floor with the PS2 when you compare cross platform games in quality. With the 360 it will be the same game again. That's all that's you need to know
Sony did not sell 100 million they shipped or got rid of that much but 100 million people don't have PS2's(READ DISC ERROR). PS3 is going to cost people $800.00 bucks to play it, 100 million my ass. Are you young by any chance?. you just seem stuck on stupid or very young.
You are so wrong I Mean the PS2 whipped the floor of the Xbox and not so many poeple as yo say had to go and buy a new PS2 so stop making up stuff. The PS2 won because of better stuff the Xbox sucked end of story. Will MS rebound? yes, but can they beat the poeple that crushed them last gen ? no.
Let me tell you something alot of casaul gamers have a Playstation product and they don't even know about the 360 all they know it lost 105 million of PLaystation 2's sold to 24 million Xbox's sold so what do you think they will get regardless of price???? A Playstation 3, and if they want to wait they will the PLaystation 2 still has great games and that is why it is selling more consoles then the 360. The PS3 is more future proof then the 360 and it is Sony and as much as YOU XBOX FANBOYS WHO HATE THEM most people love them and that is the bottom line.
So please no more of your stupid BS TheMArt
lol PS3Titan you say you are a reporter and yet the crap you come out with is soooo uber like your spelling =/
Say what you will about the sale's of Sony's console's PS will never be a better console than any of MS's consoles's. Thats like saying Honda's better than Lexus because Honda has more sales.
I just get info for the GAP for the Playstation underground at E3 so i was thier reporting for them. Also sales do matter because if your product did well before it will do well again
Have you even read my post?
I was stating that it doesn't matter if a console sells high numbers when the average games per console/attach rate is low.
PS2 had a attach rate of 1.9 just after launch. XBOX had an attach rate of 2.4 just after launch.
360 had an attach rate of 3.9 games just after launch
That combined with a smaller loss made on each 360 compared to the PSZero makes it a good businessmodel compared to competition.
Furthermore, you are plain dumb. If you compare the selling of a Suzuki to the selling of a BMW, that's comparing PS2 to a 360. Freaking hell ofcourse something that costs 120 dollars will sell more then something that costs 400 dollars.
Everyone I know almost had problems with their DVD drive in their PS2. You can tell otherwise, but they cannot play their games anymore. If all these people buy a PS2 again just so they can play their games again, that makes a hell lot of PS2's sold again.
I bet 30% of those sales at least are from people who's DVD drive quit working after a relative short period but who still want to play their games.
AND YOU A REPORTER?
LET ME LAUGH FOR SOME MINUTES... UH HOURS NOW! AHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
Your spelling is the one of an ape in a zoo, which is still a baby also
(People don't know about the 360?). Your a lie-ing Sony fanboy and the proof is in that statment.^ (casaul gamers) and PlayStation? give me a break.^
How can the Sony people sell 100 million PS3s worldwide if they are only making 2 million PS3s worldwide?
They have 2 million at launch. and i am talking of a five tosix year period
I need to change my name I have a 360 and I don't want to be considered a PS3 fanboy
WHat are you saying if you ask people around you that you don't know and ask which system they will buy most likley they will "They have another system coming out" or " Who cares i don't play games anymore" Or "I will wait for some games" That is what I mean
Anyways, people are buying PS2's because there dirt cheap and most of Sony's base knows they won't get PS3 due to shortages or the price. PS'2 succsess is mostly spill over from PSO's un-challanged dominance. PS3 will not sell 100 million with Blu-ray in it, 360 as a prooven new kid on the block, and the Wii.
PS3Titan and Gametime, i feel sorry for you guys. Being alone in your bedroom 24/7 isn't very comforting. Depression, lonliness and 'urges' soon settle in. You sound so sad with your 'war' comments. OVER GAME CONSOLES. Why do you care what company gets more profit than the other? They never think about you guys, only when they need money! Don't you see? So get out of the house, enjoy some sunshine or better get a girlfriend, then you can enjoy some 'fun' with her which is much more enjoyable than games, trust me...
I think all three will do real well and it is good for business. the only thing is Sony still has the fan base advantage
You diagree? What? You have to sh*t constantly, what do you mean.
Didn't you say you are a reporter? MWHOAOAOAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
I never sleep alone and don't care who wins just care about what ssytem is better really and could give me Madden.
I hope it does sell 100 million again. But honestly, I don't think it will. Only because of the price. I'm getting one but I know 4 people that had a ps2 and now they have an xbox 360. And their reason is because the ps3 cost way more and the 360 has more exclusives they want. Gears of War, Halo 3, ect. So the longer Sony waits to come out the more sony fans will switch over and get the 360. If Sony wouldn't have put blu ray in it then its a guarentee it wouldn't have got pushed back and we would dominate again. But now I'm not so sure. I haven't gave in and got a 360. But if the ps3 doesn't deliver with next gen games and a good online network. I will when the 360 has its first price drop. Don't get me wrong I want Sony to do well. But I don't like some of their decisions recently.
See this guy knows logic. If you ar a gamer You want value and good games. Just because people agree dose not make them right. This is where PS2-3 fan go wrong.
"How is this a dream for sony. they already sold 100 million with ps2 so what makes you think they will not sell 100 million this time."
Sony will not sell 100 million ps3s. Why? three words: 360 and wii
They'll sell 50million legit, and another 50million as replacements.
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