Seb Downie, the Producer over at Guerilla Games made an official update on some of Killzone 2's issues. He talks about the removal of bots from online multiplayer rooms, statistics, the official site and issues in general.
Im glad to have such an active dev reporting this news about K2. Its good to hear directly from the source what is being made to solve the issues that allows cheaters to boost their stats.
See unlike, Infinity Ward who abandon a game after it is released (for the ps3, anyways), the developers of K2 want this game to be a success and are treating the people who bought K2 like valued customers. By responding to quick issues like this, it shows that they truely are respectful and I wouldn gladly give my money to them! Unlike those money-hungry idiots at IW
yeah i was a little disapointet since the server went online to see so many people only playing bodycount against bots. booooring and cheating
LOL! Praising the quick update when that feature should've never been in there in the first place!
jaysquared The same can be said for gears of war 2 and every game usually has some problems.
GG tried to be nice and add bots to mp, but some cheating players made it a problem by padding their stats. I mean it's a great idea to use bots to fill out mp, but when it's so easily abused it breaks the rankings...
so motherh is the Producer now? congrats on the promotion, i always thought he was just the QA Manager
But I did NOT use bots! it is way too easy to level-up in KillZone 2. I played MP for 16 hours straight but after about 12 I was general. I'll break it down: Pretty quickly I unlock the medal that makes it so kills give you 1 more XP instead. I also unlocked a medal that gives you 1 more points for head shots. a huge amount of my kills are headshots so the all of my kills were 3 or 4 points instead of the usual 2 so I was basically earning double the points of everyone else. I usually get around 15-20 in 1 round which is 65-80 XP but if you win you get a 1.5 point multiplier. I got around 100-120 XP every round and it takes 2,800 to reach max rank which means after about 25 wins you're already there! I play 15 minute Body Count rounds, it WAY easier to level-up owning in Body Count )TDM) than it is in the objective modes including Warzone. I thought bots don't even give you XP. I played with them before I went online to get used to the map and after every round it said something like "You need to play with other people to earn XP and stats". I've been playing with real people and they accuse me of "Aim-Botting" LOL! I don't have any of the class medal like Medic health packs and I can't combine any badges yet. Even if people did play against bot I wouldn't consider it cheating. Cheating is when you have a friend make a dummy account and kill him 100 times in 5 minutes. I've played with other Generals that are terrible, they go like 3-15 LOLI Who cares if people have better gun but suck and can't get kills. The main gun I use in the ISA assault rifle since most of the unlockable guns kinda suck. I have a legitimately earned General rank with almost 800 kills and a 3.8 K/D ratio. I better not get demoted! Demote the so called "cheaters' but don't demote me just because I'm General.
No wonder!! i saw this guy who had 1000 something in total kills and 200 deaths i was like WTF! I know something was wrong LOL.... wth am i doing here! ima go back to kz2! xD
It would be very NICE to not have those 1-3 sec loadings during some check points in single player. =)
Best bet would be, and still have fun, is Bots do not count for stats at all, not against or for. Only players can add, so then you can still fill a room with bots for fun but it wont help.
It's nice to have Developer's that don't just completely abandon the game when it's released, much like what happened last generation with the PS2 and other systems. However, this also means that it'll take them longer to create Killzone 3. Though, they can take a year and fix Killzone 2 and I'll still be happy. They'll probably release some nice DLC to help fuel their funds.
jaysquared seems to have conveniently forgotten or else chosen intentionally to ignore the silence of Epic regarding Gears 2 and the massive issues. Even when they did speak look how much time passed before anything was done to address the issue.
I saw alot of servers of "Bots Easy XP" "Bots Level up" etc. I always joined Warzone servers. I prefer variety then just body count. Best thing about Killzone 2 Online is the action flow when changing modes and long match, not just a Team Death Match against bots. Stat padders can keep their stats, like I care. Start Weapons (ISA Assault Rifles and Helghast one) are the most used, or the shotgun which is unlocked early on (Engineer Badge). Medic is the 1st badge you unlock and rarely anyone revives -_-'' Also, its very easy to level up in this game. I got Max Rank easy (Well I been playing only KZ2 online since 25th, Did offline for like an hour only) with my hard earned efforts (Well, After you learn the maps i'm finding it normal, just like Battlefield 2 was, I find this game very similar). Playing with friends online in squad is so fun, though there is no Party invite to be on same team. In fact Today one of my friends was always on the opposing team and he was insulting me for killing him over and over lol. (From what I read people against Bots just go one side and camp spawn area?) Whats the use of stat padding? To go against real people and get owned? (Thinking of it, I did meet Max Rank people that they spray instead of bursting, don't know how to spot disgues from sabotage, and are total noobs). To get badage that you won't even know how to use? What about sadifaction? I been working my arse off to get Sniper Badage (My fav class in all FPS) and Sabotage (Spec-Ops, I love Sniper and Spec-Ops, BF2 style). I was so happy when I got them unlocked. I worked hard to get Revolver unlocked. I ran around with Disgues as Sabotage picking off unaware people with pistol for it. I clocked 21 hours online at the moment. I had it since 24th :D My best sadifaction is when I got my 27 kill steak. I accidently fell off a bridge and ending up behind some clan members all together after each other in a tight area, I tossed 2 nades and sprayed like made with machine gun lol. PS. Making an empty server, with only you gets full fast. Me and my mates made a Maltese server (Local), after 10 min it was full with germans, though we domniated chat with Maltese language :P Now to go back get badges. I just got the Spot and Mark ability and Sniper zoom. Time to work to unlock C4. @Below: Edit, I removed 1st comment coz I said something answered here. I thought it was 1.1, but after I saw its 16 MB I figured it was 1.11 not 1.1
removal of bots from online multiplayer... players used them for stat stacking.
tbh the only thing that bothers me, is that i would like to install the game so that perhaps all the ingame loadings would be gone. that would be awesome
yeah same... its kinda annoying with the random loading every minute or so... oh well but the gameplay makes up for it- GREAT GAME
Since it will be played online I too would like an optional install. If it was only 1-2 gig or something and speed up loading it would be great. Maybe it can be patched in of enough people request it?
Anytime a game has a big install, countless people start flaming it and the developers for "being lazy". It only makes sense that they would avoid doing anything past the current 52 Mb required by Killzone 2.
damned if you don't. The loading times are minimal for me, almost unnoticed. I commend GG for putting so much effort into this game, especially w/ the website and all. All around great game
Why would you stat boost when the online is so much fun? Is it purely for those trophies? If it is, I worry about some people.
Im guessing it's because they want the high rank badges as fast as possible =) I have the assault badge now(Only played on warzone servers) and it's very overpowered imo. First off the GL launcher pretty much clears a room by itself, after it's empty you pick up a shotgun and then your deadly as F'ck! Use the adrenaline rush up to enemies and blow em to bits real up close while you have double health ^^ It's insane. Also when using the adrenaline rush it's almost as everyone else is in slowmotion so your aim gets increased in some strange way. Extremely cool. When playing KZ2 SP you know that your like the "main hero" with a real "look" whiles't everyone else around you pretty much look the same except for your team mates. Thats pretty much how it feels with this badge online. Your F'ing heroic.
wait until sabotage. You go around and people don't even notice you XD. Go into a room full of hostiles, place C4, go out...KABOOOM
Yea i cannot understand ppl who cheat, what is the fun to spend countless hours pickin off bots just so u can then go into a regular game and think that your a good player the worst MP leveling up ever was COD 3 and the idiots who tossed flags back and forth with the opposing team for HOURS and HOURS. extremely lame
Man yeah that kinda makes me mad all the people who have been cheating with their stats to rank up faster etc to get the weapons and perks
this game is amazing even with issues, lol i finally found a game to stop playing cod4/5
and it feels good I must say
Wishlist for future online added features: Use vehicles including the Exo-Suit thing And killstreak perks!!! Call in a full blown ATAC from single player! Or several of the smaller ones... Has anyone determined if the flame thrower, bolt gun or electric gun will be available in multiplayer?
None of them have been mentioned as coming to muliplayer nope.
lol, they need to fix the controller layout as well. They should implement the COD 4 controller style. Other than that this game frigging rules!
Its called alternate 2
I never played CoD, but I set mine to alternate 2 because it seemed like the best layout.
ahh okay nice, thanks for the heads up guys!
Yeah, you can find all six controller presets here; http://www.gamersdigest.net...
You should be allowed to add bots to multiplayer, but you should not get any xp for it. Should just be for training.
Exactly what I said and I agree: Bots online but not XP points seemed the fairest way. Those abusing the system would still be stopped but I could still play my game how I wanted (the point of buying KZ2 in the first place, surely!) I start a Bodycount only game now and NOBODY joins, with me wandering a map for five minutes before giving up. Because I can't use Bots now it's TS for me I guess. I don't give a damn about my stats - I'm working my way up to Lieutenant now in other people's Warzone, but I stick with an infantryman and standard assault rifle no matter what rank I am because I want a basic online KZ game without all the farting about.
Did anyone feel, in single player at least, that the screen was zoomed in. Kinda like Bioshock before the patch. Also, it seemed like the character was short in stature for some reason. Like if you walked up to a character, you'd be staring at his chest and not his face.
rofl yeah I noticed that too. Sev seemed well short but in the cutscenes he was as tall as everyone else.
I took advantage of the chest level view by walking up to all the females... alriiiight
yea i'm glad u brought that up, it seems like your field of vision isn't quite wide enough and the cam needs to be pulled back a bit or something.
I never noticed anything feeling 'zoomed in'...but the height thing is a little strange... but whats really strange is that the character model you are controlling is still taller, and is still rendered that way...for example, be helghast in multiplayer...and go stand up against a wall...you see your characters red eyes shining on the wall, but its on the upper part of your screen...depending on the lighting (this works best in darker areas) you may have to look up or down a little to notice them...but they are definitely there... for whatever reason they located the 'camera' in your neck...a lot of other games do this too (or sometimes the opposite, Goldeneye for example, your view was much higher than your character), and I never understood why...
Ive been playing for ages and the only problems I've had are two freeze ups. Lots all my stats for both rounds, well annoying. It's a shame about the bots. They were smart, often smarter than a lot of the morons you meet online.
Yeah I am totally shocked at the way bots behave in this game. This insane AI. I felt like I was playing with actual people. I don't remember that last time I felt that way with bot AI.
Was from Killzone 1! ^_^ Me and my friend always played 2 player splitscreen versus bots. After the first minute, we'd always be thinking we were online going against other humans! XD
KILLZONE 2 BIOTCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!
I need to go get this game! My birthday is next friday so I am hoping somebody gets this and Street Fight 4 for me!!! Hint hint mom, dad, aunt and sister.... Oh and if i could get my copy of Killzone 2 signed by Veronica Belmont...
I was playing against bots online by myself because it was the only way to have a bots only game and just play BodyCount. It was also the only way to play multiple bots against yourself. I never even thought that it could boost ratings, the message at the end always said you had to play against humans to rank up, so I am not sure what the problem was.
turning off faction balancing i have played a 20+ vs 6 body count. we won, it was a massacre but it did not feel right
a massacre, not feel right, I don't get it. I do get they should allow balancing.
Gutted that the bots have been removed they're the only games me and a few friends could play were the bullet lag was minimal, its really spoilt the game for us. why don't they just make skirmish mode online capable and allow weapon upgrades and perks to be earned in it but not allow the weapons or perks to be used in warzone?.
even in metal gear online i hate when people have those leveling up rooms. Just level them up by playing lazy people
I keep getting authentication errors when I play online. It's always after I get in the match too. So weird, I have no other problems with online gaming. Has anyone else had this problem?
There is no controller issue if any says there is controller delay like in the demo they have not played the full game the control's are tight. The only thing I want changed is in multiplayer I want a quick join so you dont have to go into the list of games it just puts you into the first game.
There is a quick join, its the triangle button. And alot of the issues with the "controller lag" is not lag, its that the feel of the aiming isn't as tight as alot of people would like. Its not too bad when at distance, but when up close and the action gets frenetic the controls don't feel right, a bit unresponsive. Still its a great game, just not perfect.
The problem with Killzone 2 is that same problem that Mass Effect has. The corners of the damn screen are blacked out, so it looks like you're watching killzone 2 through a fish bowl or some kind of round TV. Pisses me off to no end, just like it did in Mass Effect. Yet no one else seems to notice it in either game. Why? WHY???
If GG would fix the controls. Too sluggish, and no config option changes it.
Yeah the controls are a bit too sluggish. It is the only real area of the game that stops it being the best FPS out there for me. Its meant to have a "weighty" feel, but to me it just feels like you are mildly handicapped and have trouble aiming quickly. As you turn it starts really slowly but then speeds up quickly making precision aiming harder than it should be. You can compensate at distance, but when you get up close it is a bit frustrating. Its something you can adapt to, but if the connection you are running on isn't that great and you are getting bullet lag it very quickly gets annoying. Still the game is very good and I will be playing it for a long while yet, I do wish the aiming was better but you can't have everything I spose. Oh and the fact you can play custom soundtracks is definately good, running around shooting people in the head is so much more enjoyable with your own tunes kicking out!
i am amazed how many people can play the game...and there is no lag what so ever. congrats sony. the controls i had some problems with but i can deal with it.
There's way more than enough people playing, bots are stupid, and i want to kill players not bots, lol. as for the stats for people who cheated, they should have their entire scores removed, and all badges reset, but if it's too much trouble, not a big deal, i had fun doing it the real way, i'm 2 ranks from general, only took me 2 days, 3 days and everything is unlocked, soo... who cares really. this game is awesome btw! lol
Loving KillZone 2!!! ;-P Off-line and On-line;)
They should have 2 seprate stats like R2 one for co-op against bots and one for comp against other players
Since NOBODY is on PSN and the sales are weak what else can they do?
You make being retarded look easy.
freakin bring custom control layout scheme please. Also what the heck is it that u cant invite friends to a game. All u can do is join a game and dats crap. I know u can create a game but it would be nice that after that u could invite plp or have a dam lobby that u wait in and invite ur friends then from there choose a game king of like call of duty. F*#K man are these freakin features that hard to input in a game. what crap. along with me plenty of buddies on my psn list want this. I HAVE A BUDDY ON MY LIST THAT HAS ONE ARM, YES ONE ARM HIS LEFT. He likeS to not only switch 2 a lefty style layout but to change around the buttons cus it helps him since he only has one arm, his left arm. but cus the idiots at GG only give u a few options and dont let u customize the control layout he dicided not 2 play it at all cus its to dam hard 4 him. I ask y the F&#K NOT HAV IT. Its beyond me why this and the in game friends invite dont exsist. DUMB AZ GG FIX THESE 2 THINGS DAM IT!
I thought the only error Killzone 2 has is the fact that I can't play it(360 owner). I'm gonna go in my corner and weep.
games ruined with no bots and they need to fix the controls period, yes i can do well with the way it is now but the controls are broken, you dont get half the community complaining just to tell me the controls are fine, there is a responce lag. even with the options, go to the options and move something like x/y and look at how long it takes from the moment you press the control to when it actually does something on screen, same with the right stick, the controls are broken, fix that and this game is golden. but as of now the game rocks but you guys are giving it a free pass on the control issue. stop with the weight excuse. weight issue doesnt equal lag in responce time. Also you cant invite friends, what kind of ass backward thing is that. GG get working because if not this hot game will be forgotten real soon. We shouldnt have to adapt to the game when obviously they need to fix the controls. Fix the bots, Fix the fact that we cant invite friends, this isnt 3 years ago, either add that or stop making games.
This is the exact reason why I love this generation of Video Games. Downloadable patches, Downloadable Content, and even Gamer-to-Developer foums. We're heard, problems are fixed, and some extra content to help the Developer make the next game. Oh, what a generation.
I have had my 60 gig PS3 since launch and have waited ever since for for this game. But the controls for lack of a more descriptive work "Suck!". Yeah I have read about how GG wanted a weighted feel to their guns and that you just need to get used to it comments. I have tried the Alt 2 control and moving up the x axis one click to get a better feel. Yeah this just brought the suck feeling down one notch. GG says we want to give the player the feeling of true life carrying a real gun. Uh correct me if I am wrong but this is a Sci fi game right? So lets make the it so the enemy can fire pin point accurate shots while I move my 20lbs gun into an area near where they are. Here is what I think. I think the PS3 can't handle the quick reaction of the control input on a game requesting so much from the SPE as it stands now. Great Graphics, Good AI, Destructive environment, lighting, Surround sound, I feel the Central CPU can't handle all that is thrown at it form the 6 SPE's and the controls take the hit. And GG is using this as an excuse for real life control feel. Yeah ok...So I took the game back to GAME STOP and got my money back. I will now either wait for word on a patch or wait to play COD MA.
I bought another ps3 and and a extra copie of killzone 2. I know that no game is perfect, but damm this game could have been perfect if they had made it more responsive( Call Of Duty 4 style) If they fix it, I will buy another ps3 and killzone 2 copie.. Anyways you who sit at home and still debating if you should get it or not... It is a must buy!!!! sell your DOg, 360, steal grandma money, however....
One thing they HAVE to fix is the control movement. I hate the delay when you move around. This is the biggest issue I have with this game. Other then that is pretty good.