A Secret Weapon For The PS3?

A story on MegaGames.com is suggesting that an Eye-Toy like innovation may be Sony's secret weapon for the PS3. In a time when everyone is heaping praise, and rightly so, on Nintendo for innovating and daring to be alternative, many have forgotten that Sony has a proven record of fresh ideas including the introduction of Eye Toy which all of its rivals will be using in some shape or form in their new consoles. This news seems to tie-in well with the Sony's innovative side and with the idea that the Japanese giant had to have an ace somewhere up its sleeve.

Megagames.com's source ( which megagames.com claim is very reliable) says Sony will have a PS3 peripheral which will recognize a user and his entire environment as well as his movements and will incorporate them into useful, in-console actions. The device includes a sensor, which sees a user (including their complete surroundings), and a digital component, or "brain" which learns and understands user movement within those surroundings.

The device can see, track and react to user movements outside the computer, all without change of environment or wearable equipment for the end user. The closed device is plug and play and platform independent. The applications of this tech to gaming are obvious and if this story is proved right, Sony may yet manage to steal Nintendo's thunder in this generation of the console wars.
The source says that the add-on will be available for the PS3 on the console's global release in mid November while Logitech will come up with a PC version a few months later. Additionally the Department of Defense, has expressed an interest in the technology although that is unlikely to affect the PS3 version of the hardware.

[DC RID3R]

sounds wicked, pity there's no rumble tho!!

[Shadow Flare]

The wii may have that great motion sensing controller, but from what i understand of this article, the new eyetoy will be able to sense the players movements and incorporate it in the game, ie. having the same result as the wii

So in theory, the wii and ps3 has exactly the same motion sensing capabilities, but with a ps3, you wouldn't need a controller to detect your motions, an eyetoy camera would be recognising them. No controllers would be used, just the freeness of your body. How freakin cool is that

This is also better cos sony isnt stuck with a controller that prevents them from having serious games on their system (wii).

The playstation has a normal controller (with basic motion capabilities added) and it also has the new eyetoy to do exactly what the wii can do, but with no controllers

Thats why this article describes it as the ps3's secret weapon and why it says it may have stolen nintendo's thunder. And nothing copied here people, the original eyetoy was developed before any nintendo motion controllers and the 360 camera is such a blatent copy of the eyetoy anyway...it just cant do what this new version does

this sounds...so good

[bernie]

I've already got an Eyetoy, give me another reason to spend $600.

[Shadow Flare]

and whats your point?

i have an old xbox. Thats why i havent bought the new 360, cos there's not much difference in them at all

haha

[Wotbot]

i have an old PS2. Thats why im not bnuying a PS3, cos there's not much difference in them at all.

haha

The idea of your comment was to say something stupid, right?

[Shadow Flare]

ps2:

-uses dvds
-had no hard drive
-had crap online

ps3:

-uses blu-ray
-uses powerful cell chip
-has 60gb Hard drive
-has FREE "LIVE" like online
-integrates with psp
-has motion controller
-has HDMI 1.3 port
-allows e-distrubution of games

xbox:

-online gaming
-hard drive
-uses dvd

360:

-online gaming
-hard drive (with $400 model only)
-uses dvd

yeah, my comment was meant to make him look stupid

[Droidbro]

Am i right?

[CardboardGun]

Please, read the whole article Bernie.. If this is proven to be true, this actually might be Sony's key to hold their throne as industry leaders. I can't wait!

[bernie]

Oh, right it's like the Gesture Recognition feature on the Xbox360's camera, cool. That means all three systems will be able to do it, wow we'll all be jumping around like idiots in our living rooms :)

[Aflac]

clearly, theyr copying the 360 cameras features! stupid pu$$ys! y don't they ever think somthin up on their own instead of copying?!

[amrasmord]

what about the 360 camera? where did they get their idea from? from the eyetoy manual?

[Aflac]

sony is just copying these different uses of the 360 camera, read comment 6

[shotty]

Well the eyetoy was copied off PC webcams so whats your point. 95% of PC run windows so nobody copied nobody.

[Shadow Flare]

a webcam is just a camera. It just displays on the monitor what it sees

The eyetoy incorporates what it sees into the game and allows what it sees to interact with the game

As far as your logic goes, i might aswell state that the webcam copied freakin tv cameras

[DG]

Plus sony annouced this before E3 of 2005. Damn stop hating.

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

dude...the 360 camera is just another eyetoy.

How can you guys say Sony copied anyone? They had the patent on motion-sensing technology AND this camera design NINE freakin' years ago!
Get a PS3 because the 360 bites...it will eventually die. The wii will be VERY strong at the beginning, but die due to lack of third-party support. We're going to win...

360 kids - stay on your forums

[Droidbro]

The eye toy is a camera, the 360 is a camera. Is 360 not allowed to have a camera of any sort because some one else already did it? Hello! The whole industry is built from "stealing" ideas.

[Sphinx]

... and Sony's PS3 is going to have an add-on that pours the player's favorite beer from a black-hole like portal, and it will never run out... and each PS3 will have a free, living and breathing top-quality, virgin model to do you every bidding.

[Moostache]

for making me blow soda out of my nose.

That was pretty funny, now I have to go find some screen cleaner to get this streak of Coca-Cola off my monitor....

[FamoAmo]

MS announced this a long time ago!! The 360 camera has the same functions. No doubt its awsome that they can do this but so can MS!! So really I guess MS has this secret weapon also b/c the 360 camera already announced it can do all this stuff!!

[deepio]

The picture on this news article is totally misleading, at first glance I thought Sony were producing a Death Star.

[Sphinx]

The Sony Death Star was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...

[AuburnTiger]

Could somebody explain to me the correlation between the eye toy and the Death Star?

[Moostache]

The pictrue is an unfinished Death Star from Episode 6 : Return of the Jedi. The plot was that the "new, second and more powerful" Death Star was being constructed in secret and was the Empire's "secret weapon" so to speak.

Hence the comparison of the eye-toy thing-a-maling and the unfinished Death Star in the picture...

[slugg]

The good guys (Microsoft) will triumph over the evil Empire (Sony) and blow their "Death Star" right the f@#k up (with their already-announced camera that has these features.)

Seriously, Sony, quit f^*&^ng copying everyone elses ideas and pretending it was something you were planning all along. Stick to trying to fix/release that jacked-up Beta-Blu-Ray player you've been working on...

[Shadow Flare]

ms copied sony's eyetoy

sony 'SUPPOSEDLY' copied ms camera technology (which it hasn't)

well i make that 1-1. What the flip is all this business about 'oh sony's copied ms camera technology'? Get real people

And so what happened in that movie? Bill Gates (Skywalker) bravely flys his x-wing, which is running on windows xp, while peter moore (R2-D2 (both their super shiny heads means that peter moore suits R2-D2 best) sits in the back. Then windows xp crashes and the x-wing blows up in the exhaust vent. Gimme a break lol

[shoota33]

its funny how good news turns up for sony and the xbox fanboy rush to post Ms has it too i HOPE.i wonder where MS got that idea from to make a camera thats just like the one sony made oh yeah sony.

[Sphinx]

have been around far before Sony... yes, Sony was first to bring it to videogames, but then we could say everyone is copying of Pong, or whatever.

[Aflac]

sony is just copying these different uses of the 360 camera, read comment 6.

I do however give sony credit for the original eyetoy, it was original (but the only thing they came up with on their own)

[FamoAmo]

MS did make a camera after the original eye toy but MS put in all these motion and a bunch of other better features!! Then Sony makes a new eye toy and COPIES MS motion ideas!!! Do you see now Gametime? Of course you don't your a close minded fanboy!!

[Shadow Flare]

...and you'll see what this article is trying to get at. The 360 camera does not go to this extent of motion capture

[shoota33]

oh stfu everything turns into a sony is copying so and so.sony was the first to put cameras on a video game console period.

[Aflac]

sony was the first, but microsoft didnt copy, they used their camera DIFFERENTLY, and now sony is COPYING Microsoft's different ideas!!!!

[Aflac]

hes got the idea

[mikeeno7]

Sony. Innovation. Sorry, those 2 words don't go together, just like America and Japan

[Aflac]

the eyetoy is THE ONLY THING sony came up with on their own

[Shadow Flare]

-guitar hero
-buzz!
-singstar
-dance mat (and the many games incorperated with it)
-using cd's, then dvd's, now blu-ray (its called progression, you don't stick with old technology. People like you would probably have kept cartridges cos they load faster)
-the cell chip
-the bluray drive

-and the eyetoy

also, you wouldnt be using cd's if it wasnt for sony and phillips, so shut your sasshole boy

xbox 360:

-hard-drive in a console
-online gaming
-uses dvd's (dusty crap)
-uh...
-ugh what else does the 360 do...
-it sets fire on you

And by the way, none of those xbox innovations are brand-new. None of them. Now list how many brand new innovations the PlayStation has created

[shoota33]

is nothing but an xbot that believes anything Ms tell him then has the nerve to call someone closed minded STFU.

[Aflac]

...hypocrite

[shoota33]

Your camera is useless.unless MS copies sonys eyetoy games which they probley will but it doesnt matter because more kids play playstation.

[Aflac]

u must be on CRACK!!!! theres plenty of ways to put a camera to use in videogames without using sony's eyetoy games!!!
More kids play playstation?- maybe, maybe not, wen u take into account the large percentage of ps2's bought over and over by the same ppl because they keep breaking, and the number of ppl besides me who have decided to switch over t xbox (thank God i did, i was miserable with ps2- it sucked).

Honestly dude, ur retarded posts crack me up!!

[Shadow Flare]

"u must be on CRACK!!!!"

"ur retarded posts crack me up!!"

I can see a common theme developing with you sir nathanelia or whatever your stupid name is

go get ur fix haha

[shoota33]

honestly dude MS has nothing to do with there camera and no one will buy it.

[Aflac]

face mapping, putting ppl into virtual gaming (in large games possibly star wars, where ppl can lightsaber duel or something without the regular controllers, but with somethin else--just as an example) not to mention theyre also putting in cardgames playble via the camera (such as uno), they can put it to a LOT of uses, the possibilites are endless...

[The Real Deal]

No one will buy it? Well I guess we will find out before the launch of the ps3 huh? lol...its so exciting. Face mapping, motion sensing...ect...Its an exciting time to own a 360. Oh, I had a camera for my computer gaming system years and years ago and mapped my face in quake. So ain't no copying going on...just innovating it year after year. But In a couple months we will have it for our 360's and Ps3 hasn't even launched.

[shoota33]

Ms just copies sonys ideas about the camera and try to make it there own. then you list things that sony said you can do on ps3 camera.Like i said no one will buy it.just like no one is buying xbox 1.5's there are pyramids of them in everystore.

[Aflac]

MS is usin it's camera differently just as I posted, because I ACTUALLY LOOK THINGS UP (something u should try sometime), rather than pulling random BS outta my arse to argue. so far, none of the features that microsofts camera have are the smae as the original eyetoy's.

Why do u see 360s on shelves?
Answer: a lot of ppl are unaware of the fact that the 360 is being shipped to stores (in small #s, generally 4-8) on a more frequent basis (by the time the sell out, more come in anyway, DUH!!!), not to mention the money to buy a 360 along with games and accessories doesnt come easy to every1, money doesnt grow on trees.

Honestly, why do I have to be the one to point out the obvious?!

[TitanXX]

this site is a place were people flame each other like crazy. Why dont the XBOX fanboys stay in the 360 area and the PS fanboys in the PS3 area.

[Aflac]

Dont be forgetting the real way past wars got started among fans was because wen original xbox came out, sony fans came right over to xbox sites to mock them out just for giving it a try, and were downright cruel to those who said they liked the xbox. naturally, xbox fans retaliated, and so the war goes on endlessly....

PS3TitanXX, I am not trying to flame against u in particular at all. It's ppl like gametime, ssj04/sonyISgod(and all his other names) who come to start a fightand deny facts in their arguements to enfuriate ppl.

[shoota33]

Stop with the excuses why its not selling.people are aware they are there they just dont want one, people can care less about xbox.for the past couple months i have seen pyramids of em in every store.
and no one comes to your xbot site i checked.thats just another excuse for you to come over here.you will not find one comment from me on xbot site because i could care less about xbox 1.5 but you xbots seem to be concerned with ps3.

[FamoAmo]

The 360 is selling just fine you little beatch!! Also with MS releasing the camera for 30-40$ everone is going to buy 1.. Thats all everyone is talking about on XBL!! Also I am not close minded I just stat the obvious and you on the other hand stat untrue made up sh!t!! You say the 360 isn't selling but in all reality 300k in the US last month sounds like its selling to me!!

[ACE]

i was a sony fan but have woken up from the transe ,,,,

every thing sony has said are lyes this is fact ,,, look back to e3 05 ? yeah thats right

they promised this and that and whart happend they have cut made cut backs on the machine and on top of this do you think sony will put a good quality blue ray drive laser in there ?

NO THEY WONT AND THERE ON LINE SERVICE AINT EVEN REAL YET APART FROM THERE PICTURES LOL ,,,

WAKE UP SONY FANS ,,,, WHY DO YOU THINK THERE NIK NAME IS FONY ?.

YOU FOOLS ARE LIKE GOLD FISH YOU HAVE A SIX SECOND MEMMORY WAKE UP FOR FUK SAKE...

[Aflac]

I too have seen 360s sitting in stors (only 1-4) and hey sell out over and over, but they ship in over and over. just because u see stuff in stores doesnt mean its no selling. and as i said, a lotta ppl r still trying to save money, u KNOW DARN WELL that $400+ is a pain for the common ppl to spare. I have loads of friends who are trying to get jobs so they can afford a system, that's just how it is for millions of ppl. And even so, it's still selling a lot!!!

u just deny true reasons for why things are the way they are. As FamoAmo said, STFU!!!

[shoota33]

all their selling is in us cause the rest of the world insnt stupid enough to buy crap.i know your angrey it cant even outsell ps2 but its ok. you are closed minded you moron your crying cuase your xflop 1.5 cant sell cause no one want it.

[Aflac]

360 is STILL not as easily mass produced to be shipped in large #'s, unlike ps2 which can be mass produced a heck of a lot quicker, also, ppls ps2s r still breaking, and a lotta people are still saving up for a 360 and want to have enuff $$ left for games and accessories (DUH).I too have seen 360s sitting in stors (only 1-4) and hey sell out over and over, but they ship in over and over. just because u see stuff in stores doesnt mean its no selling. and as i said, a lotta ppl r still trying to save money, u KNOW DARN WELL that $400+ is a pain for the common ppl to spare. I have loads of friends who are trying to get jobs so they can afford a system, that's just how it is for millions of ppl. And even so, it's still selling a lot!!!

Why do u see 360s on shelves?
Answer: a lot of ppl are unaware of the fact that the 360 is being shipped to stores (in small #s, generally 4-8) on a more frequent basis (by the time the sell out, more come in anyway, DUH!!!)

Honestly, why do U bother posting that the ps2 is outselling the 360 wen u know the true reason why is not wat u want it to be?!

Cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it, fairy.

[FamoAmo]

Gametime until you show proof or their is an article about the 360 not selling just stfu b/c come November it will be 10 million to 0!!! And if the 360 really isn't selling it would make headlines f@g.. The only place it isn't selling is Japan and thats b/c they want the Wii not the PS3 the Wii!!!!

[Aflac]

go to pwned.nl

[shoota33]

the proof is walking into any store you moron.it not my fault they sell 2 consoles a month in japan.japan want ps3 and wii xbot.you still dream that your xflop is going to sell 10 million by the time ps3 comes out. selling 200k a month is not going to do stupid ass.just keep bringing on the excuses cause they are getting old and before you know you will be coming up with excuse why ps3 is outselling xbox 1.5

[Aflac]

For the millionth effing time:
Why do u see 360s on shelves?
Answer: a lot of ppl are unaware of the fact that the 360 is being shipped to stores (in small #s, generally 4-8) on a more frequent basis (by the time the sell out, more come in anyway, DUH!!!)

Honestly, why do U bother posting that the ps2 is outselling the 360 wen u know the true reason why is not wat u want it to be?!

The reasons I have posted were only the truth and u know it, and thers nothing u can do about it. Cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it, fairy.

[shoota33]

Get over it already MS is not selling consoles period. you could make up all the excuses you want but the fact is no one wants xbox 1.5 and theres nothing you can do to change peoples minds.

[Aflac]

For the millionth effing time:
Why do u see 360s on shelves?
Answer: a lot of ppl are unaware of the fact that the 360 is being shipped to stores (in small #s, generally 4-8) on a more frequent basis (by the time the sell out, more come in anyway, DUH!!!)

Honestly, why do U bother posting that the ps2 is outselling the 360 wen u know the true reason why is not wat u want it to be?!

The reasons I have posted were only the truth and u know it, and thers nothing u can do about it. Cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it, fairy.

[Shadow Flare]

the reason you see xbox 360 boxes sitting in stores is because, people don't pick them up, take them to the counter, and pay for them

[pRo loGic II]

I called many game stores all over and they all say they still sell very well, again some of the stores are selling 3 to 6 a day. $550 bucks is a lot of money to spend on a console, game, warrenty, tax. You don't seem very smart, AT ALL!. PS3 is in trouble with the price of $795 bucks to play PS3 game, tax, warrent, console.

[Sphinx]

...for myself, but I still can't see spending that much money on a PS3.

[shoota33]

you are not very smart AT ALL! no matter how much you dont want people to buy ps3 cause the price they will still buy it period.there are pyramids of xbox 1.5's in every store walmart, best buy ect.

[Aflac]

only to b replenished real quick. thats wats been goin on over here, and pretty much every where (except Japan). I go to walmart 1-2 times a week and see up to 4 360s there one weekend day, but each time that i come back in the middle of the week, theyre gone, by the weekend, theres more.
BTW, pyramids of DISPLAY BOXES dont count

[pRo loGic II]

Yah thats common sense it was fun letting this guy rant about the display boxes when they keep the 360's in the back.

[joemutt]

Quit saying you see pyramids of 360's, you know I explained this to you a while back, I guess you forgot, so here it is again.

The 360 boxes you see stacked up are empty! They wouldnt just leave 25 xbox 360's laying out in the store, people would grab them and run! They put empty boxes out to advertise. You hve no sense at all.

The real 360's are behind the counter, which is too high for you to see over, you short kiddie.

[Moostache]

gametime/ssj04/whatever the hell you call yourself next -

do you know the definition of insanity?
Keep doing and saying the same thing over and over and expect a different result.

You are by far the most repetitive and useless person who visits these forums.

You contribute nothing but background noise. For god's sake man/boy/girl/whatever - you don't even seem to havea worth while OPINION outside of "PS3 will rule them all"...

Do everyone a favor, stop summarizing your same old arguments 5 times a day. And to save the time, here are your top 5 favorite come-backs/arguments:

5) STFU you moron
4) you are sadd
3) Xbots/Xbugs/Xbox 1.5 is ________ (fill in the blank with cleverly misspelled profanity to avoid the filter)
2) PS2 outsells 360
1) PS3 will sell _________ (fill in the blank with whatever the latest Sony wishful thinking projected sales number may be)

Get a life man. Or short of that, how about trying to have an opinion on somethign outside of just being the 21st century Pee-Wee Hermann (and since I am sure you are too young to understand that reference - it means stop running around sayign the equivalent of "I know you are, but what am I...." all freaking day long...

[The Real Deal]

Just because you repeat yourself over and over doesn't make it true...lol...its like you are trying to convince yourself. No one believes you. We all have cars and we all have phones...we all have asked stores how are they selling and we all get the same answer. They are selling extremely well...Walmart, Target, Best Buy, Costco, Eb games, Gamestop, Game Crazy, ect...they all say they sell them as they get them. And I have been to all those stores and haven't seen one pyramid that you are talking about. They all if they have any only have 3 or 4 in at a time. At most. Costco had a pallet full but the next day had none. So you can convince yourself that its not selling but we all know. You make your self sound either A. Like a 10 year old kid or B. Like a guy thats a little slow . I'm not judging you. I'm just telling you how you make yourself sound to the majority of us. its ok...I think your ps3 will still come out on time. So what games are you excited about at launch? What games do you like to play on your ps2?

[pRo loGic II]

People buy where the better warrenty is. I checked that out already. Quote-((( You mean no matter how much you dont want people to buy ps3 cause the price they will still [want] it period.)))

[Aflac]

only to b replenished real quick. thats wats been goin on over here, and pretty much every where (except Japan). I go to walmart 1-2 times a week and see up to 4 360s there one weekend day, but each time that i come back in the middle of the week, theyre gone, by the weekend, theres more.
BTW, pyramids of DISPLAY BOXES dont count

[joemutt]

He thinks the display boxes are actual consoles. While his mother is holding his hand, she walks by gamestop, he sees a pyramid of 360, wants to go see them, but his mommy wont let him go in. Thats why he doesnt know about them. Anyone over 12 years old knows they are empty!

[shoota33]

you are some sad xbots.you cry cause no one wants your xbox 1.5 you make up excuses why ps2 out sells it you guys are so sad its funny.and to joemutt not display boxes real xbox 1.5 pyramids in the store stop lying to yourself to make the pain go away.

[Sphinx]

...you are hilarious! Oh, and just so you know, I laugh at idiots.

[shoota33]

...you are hilarious! Oh and just so you know I laugh at dumbasses

[Sphinx]

...watch your mouth, young man. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? That is not appopriate language for a little boy.

[silent ninja]

...its useless argueing with fool. its obvious he doesn't know the definition of selling. or is just in denial
so stop answering back b/c he won't accept facts. let him stay in fatansy world of ps3

[Marriot VP]

The 360's vision camera already recognizes your facial reactions online with texas hold em.

How is Sony's eyetoy revolutionary.

[Sphinx]

That is the point.

[shoota33]

ill just let you xbots stay in your xbox 1.5 dream world because morons like silent ninja dont want to listen to facts just rumers. but dont cry when ps3 outsells xbox 1.5 badly and out performs it.

[Marriot VP]

gametime your worthless. you flame fanboy more than SSJ. And that's bad

No way you could survive out in public or social situations the way you act.

[shoota33]

ill just let you xbots stay in your xbox 1.5 dream world because morons like silent ninja dont want to listen to facts just rumers. but dont cry when ps3 outsells xbox 1.5 badly and out performs it.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

"A Secret Weapon For The PS3?"

Dont make me laugh. All I know is that there is going to be alot of surprised sony fanboys this holiday.

[shoota33]

yeah i know but i wont be suprised when everyone is talking about and getting a ps3 and wii for chrismas and could care less about xbox 1.5 and its thousands of shooters.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

What games are launching with the ps3 that has you so excited and make you want to buy one. Please tell me or any other sony fan please tell me what has you wanting one at launch so badly. Something tells me that blu-ray will be somewhere in the post however lol.

[shoota33]

its not really the games that are launching but after also like resistance,heavenly sword,8 days,the getaway,untitled naughty dog game,MGS4,DMC, i could go on but these games interest me better than the games on xbox 360. i didnt buy xbox 360 because i dont want to waste 400 dollars on a dvd player with updated graphics.i want to go for something new.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Well I respect your opinon although I think that all those games are complete garbage except for heavenly sword. I find it strange how you didnt mentionn assasins creed for it was well received at E3 and will be great on both the 360 and ps3. However I wont buy a ps3 because I dont want to waste 600 dollars on a blu-ray player. I also find it strange how u said you want something new when DMC, MGS4 are sequels.

[shoota33]

I was talking about ps3 in general is new.there is new hardware software next gen drive for more game space and i can do thing like surf the internet put vidios and pictures from memory sticks of flash drives into my hard drive.I think that all xbox 360 titles are garbage except for GOW but that is just my opinion.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

How is the harware any newer than the 360's and I hope your answer isnt simply because its coming out later. Game space wont be a factor in this generation due to xna and procedural synthesis remember the post I made about that.
As for the memory sticks well I guess thats new to you but I dont buy sony products. I find it funny how you like GOW with all your trash talk about shooters.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Also, a 2x blu-ray drive is too slow for me and i hate long load times.

[pRo loGic II]

360 has new hardware also and a next-gen movie player for it. Space and built-in Blu-ray are gimmics and thats how Sony's tricking you're fanboy ass. Just my opinion.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Exactly

[Sphinx]

...yep, yep.

[shoota33]

ok i tried to be civil but i see you fanboys cant have a civil conversion. 360 hardware is not new just parts put together ps3 has cell and rsx. and xbox 1.5 does not have a next gen player built in. no one wants the xbox 1.5 it self than a power brick which is half the size of the 1.5 then a dvd 1.5 player hanging off of it also.
Your dumbass thinks that everything that is good for the ps3 is bad. blu ray is better than dvd period.But your to much of an dumbass and a fanboy to understand this.but you will find out november when your xflop is left in the dust of ps3 and there will be no excuses.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Sad. You are so sad.

[silent ninja]

you mention that that i don't listen to fact but rumours what facts are you talking about??

and why should i cry if ps3 outsells xbox 360 i don't give f#ck what ps3 sells b/c 1)i don't gain any thing neither do you 2) i have life unlike of you.who flames all sites

[pRo loGic II]

I just don't like you... The things you're argueing about are child like and stupid, like the BS you came up with in Post 46. xbox1.5 WTF does that mean?.

[shoota33]

first i dont flame all sites moron second i have a life unlike you.

[Sphinx]

I have a life unlike you! So there! I'm rubber, you're glue... how childish.

[Marriot VP]

lol, good come back gametime

[shoota33]

Im not going to continue to argue with your dumbass your brain is too small to get what i am saying.You keep on believeing whatever you want to but you will be upset come november.also you have an original xbox pianted white with updated graphics no next gen drive small hd no hdmi which mean no 1080p the list goes on and there for you have an xbox 1.5

[The Real Deal]

Why when the majority of people don't agree with you...you call people names? Does it make you feel better about yourself? Are you ok? Look in the mirror and repeat after me. "I am somebody" "I am somebody" "I do matter" "I do matter" Its ok now. Take a deep breath. You have your opinion. You have played the xbox 360 and tried all the games. You have experienced xbox live and played with your friends on live. You have played 360 games in 1080i and you just weren't impressed right? lol...Thats how you came to the conclussion in your opinion that its an xbox 1.5 right? Did you return it? Did it burn down your house? Did you get the red ring of death? We can help you with your issues. Are you getting impatient for the ps3? Are you upset because most people just aren't that excited about it like you are? Take a deep breath. Its ok. I think its still coming out. I don't know if its going to be on time but I think its coming out. Have you saved your money for it? Do you know what games are launching with it? Will you be ok if the games don't make launch? Your not going to get mad if your ps3 breaks after a few months will you? Will you buy another one if it breaks? We can help you. Lets all be friends. Gamers unite. lol....

[greenlynxx]

That was great dude. This guy has serious issues. He/She really needs our help, lol...

[pRo loGic II]

You are scared you fear Mirosoft will be toe to toe this generation and it's got you saying all kinds of crazzyshit like Ken Kutargi does. Why do you force yourself to hate the 360, if you don't like the games so what!, it's you spreading these child like lies about the xbox thats got me baffled. 1080p can is not that big of a hurdle if MS chose to deal with it; and how many games will be displayed in 1080p and do you have a TV set that will alow you to use it for movies, I thought not. And all graphics in games are updated, in a way, but i guess from what i seen at E3 2006 PS3's games were downgraded from E3 2005 and have not been upgraded on the level of 360's games.

[Sphinx]

...good word choice.

[shoota33]

like i said after this comment im not responding to you today you believe what you want but i can tell you right now that the ps3 will outsell xbox 1.5 badly you can lie to yourself all you want but you will see that sony will erase MS lead in half the time then start to outsell them in 2006 and there will be no excuses.you hate on sony becuase they are the market leader and destroyed your beloved xbox and will do the same to your xbox 1.5 or dreamcast 360. xbox dont have 1080p you hate on it just cuase xbox dont have blu ray you hate on it so hate on ps3 features all you want but dont say i didnt tell you so when ps3 destroys your true love xbox 1.5

[The Real Deal]

If 30 plus million xbox's is being destroyed.....WOW...are you serious...Microsoft was brand new to the Console industry and passed up the Greatest Console maker in History. NINTENDO...thats pretty darn good. Nintendo owns 9 of the top ten best selling games in the history of gaming. And Microsoft as a newcomer passed them up last gen with the xbox. Sony's dvd player that acts like a game console sold 100 million. Thats great. Now factor in how many people use it as a dvd play ONLY. Then factor in how many people replaced their dead one. Then factor in all the people who bought it for sony's 2nd,3rd, and 4th biggest selling game Grand Theft Auto series when it WAS exclusive. This time around their system cost way more and offers blu ray. Who owns blu ray movies? Everyone has a collection of dvd movies from years of buying them. Who owns a dayum blu ray movie? lol...Silly Sony...made a big boo boo this time. And it stinks real bad.

[The Real Deal]

Pray...while we PLAY. Its such an exciting time to be a gamer. We are 5 million plus strong and still rapidly growing. 5 games sold per console...We are gamers. Playing Next Gen HD games online. Gametime...what are you playing?

[shoota33]

im playing ps2 which im sorry to say the only difference is graphics from ps2 to xbox 1.5. you are 5 million strong but that nothing by 2006 ps3 will have millions more users than xbox then you will have nothing to say.

[The Real Deal]

We all loved the original Sony Playstation. We all got screwed with the ps2. It wasn't what they promised. Toy story ingame graphics, 10 times more powerful than a computer. We all fell for it and bought one. It was barely better than Dreamcast and xbox was much better in every aspect. But get a 360. I promise you...you will be a very very happy gamer. You don't have to get screwed twice. Save yourself the agony. Be smart this time around. We all got fooled with ps2. We all Loved the playstation. We are all gamers. Some of us just got smart faster than some of the lagging sony fans that will learn the hard way. And loose 600 plus dollars in the process.

[The Real Deal]

Why when the majority of people don't agree with you...you call people names? Does it make you feel better about yourself? Are you ok? Look in the mirror and repeat after me. "I am somebody" "I am somebody" "I do matter" "I do matter" Its ok now. Take a deep breath. You have your opinion. You have played the xbox 360 and tried all the games. You have experienced xbox live and played with your friends on live. You have played 360 games in 1080i and you just weren't impressed right? lol...Thats how you came to the conclussion in your opinion that its an xbox 1.5 right? Did you return it? Did it burn down your house? Did you get the red ring of death? We can help you with your issues. Are you getting impatient for the ps3? Are you upset because most people just aren't that excited about it like you are? Take a deep breath. Its ok. I think its still coming out. I don't know if its going to be on time but I think its coming out. Have you saved your money for it? Do you know what games are launching with it? Will you be ok if the games don't make launch? Your not going to get mad if your ps3 breaks after a few months will you? Will you buy another one if it breaks? We can help you. Lets all be friends. Gamers unite. lol....

[The Real Deal]

I used to play the ps2 before I got an xbox...now I have graduated to an xbox 360....sorry you are still playing a ps2. I wish I could help. I honestly feel bad for you. I still have my ps2 but after the original xbox I couldn't go back to the jaggies and long load times and lack luster graphics...and believe me...I tried. And now after playing the 360 on my hd tv I can't go back to playing the original xbox. Such a major difference. wow...now I know why you are always bashing the 360...Jealousy...covered by hate and denial...Jump In...

[pRo loGic II]

In the end the games will be all that matters and shoppers will ask about the games and they will see it for themselvs shoppers will be told by store employee's that the games will be for both systems but MS will have more Exclusives. When people/parents/new-gamer ask what the difference between the two is the store employee will not lie to them. Price and games will eat-away brand loyality, maybe alot; maybe a little. They will be told the truth on why PS3 is so expensive and the extra money they have to spend to get their moneys worth. PS3 will sell more in store's where the employee's don't know enough to inform the consumer.

[The Real Deal]

You are correct. I have six 360's and when I go and ask questions at Target/Walmart/Best Buy/ and EB games...they all say the SAME thing. 360 and ps3 are basically the same but ps3 plays blu ray movies for a 1080p tv for 200 dollar difference. 360 will have 150 games by Christmas and ps3 will be lucky to get 20 by christmas. All the stores say the same thing. When I ask...well which is better? They say they are about the same. Soooo what will most people/parents think? lol...its obvious....200 dollars more to spend on a wider selection of games...Yeah...I'll take the 360. On top of that. Its only a matter of time when they have a ps3 and 360 at the stores side by side playing games. People will look and see 360 games look better. Yeah sony fans know that 360 is on its second generation but most consumers go off of price and what they see in person.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Both of you guys are correct. Good posts.

[silent ninja]

if you had a life you wouldn't be infecting your stupidity in every post. you are a sad creature who wants to be accept by exposing you hate towards xbox owners
you calling the xbox a 1.5 to make youself feel better

and i'm still waiting for the so called rumors that i listen that you mention?

[kidvideo]

According to your theory, TOYOTA and GM are not selling any cars at all. Every Car lot I pass is FULL OF CARS because no one is buying.

UR a Total Loser!

[Sphinx]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[The Real Deal]

That was a good observation...very true...If there are 360's in stock...that means microsoft is replenishing their stocks. Because I ask every time I go in to stores and they say its selling very well. Its not frantic but they say its because of the price. Most people have to save and plan. Its easier to go plop a hundred bucks or so for a gameboy or a ps2. It takes planning for most consumers to drop 400 for anything. When you buy a camcorder...you don't just walk in walmart and see one and say Ohhh...I got to buy that now. You see it...you plan...you come back when you have the money and you buy it. The same goes for Digital Cameras and Television sets. So imagine how the ps3 at 600 will do. When I first bought my first HD tv...I window shopped for a year and planned my money for a while before I made the plunge. And I have money. SO most people have to see it....plan for it...save for it...then take the plunge. And 300 dollars then eventually get a hard drive is easier than 600 dollars with no visable difference in games at least for the ps3. Something to think about. Think about the average consumer. Not the rich fan boys.

[achira]

this is old news. we know it since e3 2005. xbox fanboy stop talking crap. you know that sony was the first one who used eye toy not ms. and the features of the new eye toy were announced before ms had the idea of their "ms eye toy". if your xbox 360 is so great go and play it instead bashing the ps3 without reason. oh you xbox360 fanboy are very poor ppl. and logic is not your strength, its obvious how you try to make everything negative about the ps3. but the ps3 will launch in 5 months, and your lies will have short legs. hahahaaaa...

[The Real Deal]

Pray...while we play.
1. Pray it comes out in time
2. Pray people buy it so developers have a reason to keep making expensive games for it.
3. Pray it has more than 8 games at launch.
4. Pray blu ray isn't the undoing of sony.
5. Pray the games aren't full of hd cut scenes and sub par in game graphics
6. Pray you don't a viruses from their O.S.
7. Pray games don't cost 69.99 as reported
8. Pray you don't spend 600 plus and it breaks 1 hour after your 3 month warranty runs out.
9. Pray they have some exclusives
10. Pray their online doesn't suck
11. Pray the blu ray player doesn't freeze up frequently.
12. Pray the rumors about the cell with is spe's are designed for blu ray movies and not game developement.
I can go on and on about what SONY only fans have to pray about while us 360 owners PLAY. Pray...while we PLAY. Will I get a ps3. YES. But I don't have Pray because I'm rich and I don't care. If it has some good games...Great. If it don't...Great. Right now I'm playing and enjoying next gen with the xbox 360.

[greenlynxx]

Preach it brother...

[pRo loGic II]

Thats funny how you say don't talk crap when you jump right in shooting turds everyware wipe you're mouth you got a little on you lip. No i J/k i like you little European kid. Not much to do today it's my last day before my vacation woo hoo. Hows that PS2 achira.

[kingboy]

Silly little i'm a Architect, u search me u will see me .mr Architect can`t make responsible comments but he goes around calling on Europe

[zinnia]

60% will not buy the PS3 after finding out that the cheap version costs $499, and that’s without HDMI. 20% say “Maybe”, and only 15% say that they will defineltly be getting one. Just wait untill Christmas.

[Shadow Flare]

Honestly do you really think people would not buy the $500 ps3 cos its missing HDMI? Generally people don't give a crap about HDMI. People will buy a playstaion 3 for the games and because, IT'S THE PLAYSTATION 3, not because it lacks HDMI on the cheaper version. Besides, the 360 doesn't have freaking HDMI at all...period. And if they're buying the cheaper version ps3, they sure as hell ain't gonna buy a $1000 HD TV are they? The $500 ps3 is only $100 higher than the $400 Xbox 360. $100 is not a big deal.

People will buy ps3 because everyone knows playstation is great. Everyone knows that sony has won the last 2 console wars and people will realise that there must be a reason that the ps3 is slightly more expensive than the 360. Cos its better. Looking back in history, you know that people prefer playstation and ps3's will sell like hot cakes. Don't deny that

[zinnia]

When did MS claim the 360 had HDMI?. I do agree on the $1000 HD TV thing, when people ask why it's so much money, there won't be any reason to favor it for that reason. People are having trouble spending $520 for the 360/game/tax/warrenty everybody knows that. People will buy PS3 don't disagree on that, more people are aware of xbox this time and know it's the real deal, finally!, plus folks are wiser this time around. Sony tells you it's better but people that know what their talking about know there so close it's foolish to boast about it, MS has better software thats prooven, 360's better for dev's and gaming in general thats a fact, it won't take long for people to see that, at all!. PS3 will sell like hot cakes at launch when hardcore Sony-fanboys and a hand-full of others been saving for it.

[Shadow Flare]

i'll grant that the xbox is wider known now. But i put that down purely to it being released first

If the ps3 and 360 were the same price, and launched the same time, which console do you think the general public would choose?

whatever though, i dont think the 360 is the worst thing in the world, i'll just let the ps3 do the talking when it launches. Maybe i'll be wrong, who knows but we'll see in november

im looking foward to the ps3 most though :)

[Sphinx]

I had to buy a second one because my first one didn't work online (thanks Sony), so I gave it to my 14 year-old sister-in-law... she played it for a few weeks but likes her DS better. The PS2 I have now will probably get sold in my garage sale next week... I don't even think I have anymore games for it even. I traded them in a long time ago for XBOX games. I really used to be a Sony fanboy, but I just got tired of that old beat-up looking PS2, the graphics were kind of weak compared to the XBOX, and I like playing online, and the PS2 sucks at that. So, when I finally got around to getting the 360, in January, and I haven't touched my XBOX or PS2, not that I've played the PS2 for at least a year already. I'd love to see the PS3 come out nice and strong and give me something different and a reason to buy it, but I think that is what the Wii is doing... why would I buy the PS3? I just can't fathom spending that money on something that will do the same thing my 360 does... especially when there aren't any titles that are making me want the PS3. The Wii, on the other hand, has Red Steel, Wii Sports, MArio Galaxy, and some other interesting looking games. I don't know, Sony, I think you're screwed.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

I think your right. Sony is seriously screwed.

[The Real Deal]

There are millions of gamers that share your same exact story. Its funny. Not everyone has converted to Microsoft yet. But with sony charging so much for the ps3...Microsoft will see more sales this gen then last gen. And there will be more stories of how people used to be a sony fan boy and now they see what we have seen with what Microsoft is and has been doing. People who only stay faithful to sony are people who haven't played the xbox and have not experienced xbox live. Because just about everyone I know used to be into SONY only untill they came over and played my 360's. Then they couldn't deny the truth anymore. When the xbox launched. Remember...they had NO fans. They were spanking new to the console industry. Every Microsoft fan is and x sony fan or grown up Nintendo fan. Now we are 30 million plus strong and growing thanks to Sony's high price point. Think about it. ITs really not that complicated.

[mikeeno7]

Ken Katuragi: "4D gaming is upon us all, the power of the cell side is unbeatable, you know it to be true Master Gates."

Bill Gates: "I will never join you."

Ken Katuragi: "I am your biitch! Surrender to the lure of Blu-ray and let your death be painless."

Bill Gates: "You will try."
[a lightsaber battle ensues. With one flimsy, misguided wave, Gates sticks the lightsaber up Ken's @ss, he howls with misery and before him, all the lies and scandals flash within his eyes.]

Ken Katuragi: "is it all over"

Bill Gates: "no, you will suffer a bankruptcy, the burning of a Sony Corp, the failure of blu-ray, a century delays, a crap online service, and rejection from your ultimate Playstation God."

Ken Katuragi: "NNNNNOOOOOOOOOO!"

Bill Gates: " The future is green. It's now. It's Xbox 360. Jump in!!!

[Shadow Flare]

...R2D2 (Peter Moore (thay both got super shiny heads)) comes in, and electrocutes THE CRAP outta Bill Gates.

Gates is like:" Ugh why, huh floiben my accelematrix has curropted on me WAIVEN WAI" and his face gets supremely mashed up until it looks like the emperor's. Only the emperor's got super thick bullet proof glasses.

[Marriot VP]

why does every website and pun have to deal with star wars. My gosh people, they're only movies.

This isn't a convention

[Bill Gates]

For quite a while now Nintendo has survived almost entirely on the strength of its talented first party developers, through the rough times they kept the company afloat with technically brilliant and creatively rich titles that truly made Nintendo gamers feel their console was a worthwhile investment. When the original PlayStation debuted, Sony's approach was a little different, they courted just about everyone to make games for the system, and over the years Sony picked a number of those who had developed standout titles and provided partial funding for their studios and titles, eventually snapping them up as first party developers. Fast forward to present day and Sony's amassed quite a wealth of developer talent. Let's have a look at just a few of these talented folks and what they're cooking up for Sony's new super machine.

Naughty Dog: Naughty Dog was founded in 1986 by two 16 year old kids named Andy Gavin and Jason Rubin, the company, then named "JAM" had its name officially changed in 1989. Famous for their astounding technical ability, Naughty Dog gave us Crash Bandicoot during the PlayStation era (which actually went under the working title of Willy the Wombat - talk about dodging a bullet!) and the Jak series during the PlayStation 2 generation. They're currently working on an untitled project for the PlayStation 2, and little is known of it save for the fact that it centers around the search for a hidden treasure of some kind, and that it likely showcases what can truly be expected of the PlayStation 3. - [Hotness Factor of 9.8]

Zipper Interactive: Founded in 1995 by Jim Bosler and Brian Soderberg, Zipper gave us the PC hits MechWarrior 3 and Crimson Skies. They've since gained widespread fan and critical acclaim with their SOCOM US Navy SEAL's series of PS2 games. They were acquired in January of 2006 by SCEA and are currently working on... surprise, surprise, a SOCOM game for the PS3. - [Hotness Factor of 8.2]

Sony Santa Monica: These are the guys that gave us the delightfully cuddly and upbeat character of Kratos and the high speed future dualcycle racing game Kinetica. They also house Incognito Entertainment, the guys behind Twisted Metal: Black, and War of the Monsters, they're currently working on the PS3 launch title, Warhawk. They collaborate frequently with creator David Jaffe, who played the role of director on God Of War and has an upcoming PSP game codenamed HL currently in development. - [Hotness Factor of 7.8]

Guerrilla Games: Dutch first party developer formerly known as Lost Boys Games until 2003. They rose to fame with the release of Killzone for PS2, which was labeled (wrongfully so) a "Halo killer." This move that likely hurt the final product but did much to thrust Guerrilla into the public eye. They also developed the ill received Shellshock: Nam'67 for the PS2 using the same game engine. Many argue that given more time and perhaps a bigger budget Guerrilla could have fashioned Killzone, which had a fascinating premise and mythology, into something great. Looks like those guys get their wish, Guerrilla was acquired by Sony in December of 2005 and are currently working on another Killzone sequel for the PS3. Also under production is a title for the PSP called Killzone: Liberation. Guerrilla's hotness factor is difficult to gauge as the company has always showed promise, and with more powerful hardware they could have done wonders, it's also worth mentioning that the company has grown in number and talent exponentially since Killzone - [Hotness Factor of 8.0]

Polyphony Digital: Formerly known as Polys Entertainment, they developed Omega Boost and the Motor Toon Grand Prix series for PS1 but hit it real big with Gran Turismo. Since then Polyphony has been habitually late with game releases, but the end product is always worth it. There's a lot expected from Polyphony this time around as gamers and critics alike want to see its flagship franchise undergo more than just a graphical overhaul. So far all we've seen from them is a rushed E3 2006 PS3 prototype demonstration called Gran Turismo HD, but keep your eyes peeled for the arrival of the Real Driving Simulator some time soon. - [Hotness Factor of 9.2]

Studio Liverpool: Founded as Psygnosis in 1986, they went on to create the critically acclaimed Wipeout series of games which helped establish the original PS1 as a force to be reckoned with. They were acquired by Sony in 1993 and the Psygnosis label was dropped in 1999. Their first PS2 game was Formula One 2001, which they've followed up with yearly updates since. They've only produced one Wipeout game on the platform, Wipeout Fusion, which was not very well received, but have since returned to futuristic hover vehicle racing form with the excellent Wipeout Pure for PSP. They're currently working on a Formula One game for PS3 and are rumored to be developing the next game in the Wipeout franchise (of course). - [Hotness Factor of 7.2]

Sony Online Entertainment: Started out as SISA (Sony Interactive Studios America) in 1995. They developed EverQuest, PlanetSide and Star Wars Galaxies, all massively multiplayer games for the PC platform. Despite what you might think judging from the name, SOE has little to do with SCEA (Sony Computer Entertainment America) or the newly formed SCEWW (Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios), they're actually a subsidiary of Sony Pictures Digital and have a few internal teams of their own including Soga Interactive, Fire Ant (SOE-Seattle) and Verant Interactive (SOE-Austin). They also collaborated with Sony on setting up the PlayStation 3's proposed counter to Xbox Live, currently known as the PlayStation Network Platform. [Hotness Factor of 7.0]

Other than its numerous first party developers, Sony also has quite a few trusted studios that are... shall we say, not quite family. Often referred to as second party developers, they regularly produce titles exclusive to the PlayStation platform.

Insomniac Games: Surprise! Insomniac, contrary to popular belief are not a first party Sony developer. They have however worked extremely closely with Sony and Naughty Dog in particular over the years. The company was founded in 1994 and its first title was the critically loved first person shooter, Disruptor for the PS1. It followed this with the successful Spyro franchise of games before creating Ratchet and Clank for Sony's next generation system, the PS2. The company is now preparing a PS3 launch title known as Resistance: Fall of Man, and also has a PlayStation 3 iteration of its Ratchet and Clank series in the works. It's also kinda nifty to note that Insomniac has been highlighted as one of the best places to work in the US - [Hotness Factor of 9.7]

Sucker Punch: Sucker Punch also shares some sort of working relationship with Insomniac, and the company that brought us the lovable Sly Cooper and his cantankerous crew of kleptomaniacal friends is undoubtedly working on something for PS3, we just don't know what yet. The company's history actually dates back to roots at Microsoft, where a few of the initial team members worked on productivity software, but shared a deep love of games. They left Microsoft in 1997 to form Sucker Punch, and released their first game for the Nintendo 64, Rocket: Robot on Wheels, the rest is history. - [Hotness Factor of 9.2]

Evolution Studios: Founded in 1999 by Martin Kenwright and former Psygnosis co-founder, Ian Hetherington, the UK based studio brought us the phenomenal World Rally Championship and Word Rally Evolution games. I guess that means their first PS3 title, Motorstorm, planned to launch alongside the console is in good hands. - [Hotness Factor of 8.5]

Ninja Theory: Something of a true fairy tale this one. Ninja Theory was formed in 2004 from the ashes of the former development company Just Add Monsters, the guys behind Kung Fu Chaos for the Xbox. The team's long in development premiere next generation title, Heavenly Sword was been searching for a publisher for a number of years before Sony swooped in to provide publishing and support for the title. It was once a launch title, but looks to have slipped into 2007. - [Hotness Factor.9.0]

Just about all these studios are no benefitting from Sony's new SCEWW (Sony Computer Entertainment World Wide Studios) initiative, in which multiple studios across the globe are able to collaborate and share advice, ideas and tools. Some wonder about Sony's arrogance in the face of losing exclusives such as Grand Theft Auto 4, but whith this kind of back, it becomes a little easier to understand where that bravado comes from.

[Shadow Flare]

Nice to have a different angle on a comment for a change. Cool comment

You forgot Square-Enix and Konami with its Metal Gear Solid series

The range of companies makes for a great range of games, a range of games that has always appealed to the public since the psone.

Unlike nintendo which makes games for, kids. It cant be argued

And the original xbox which is widely renowned for having too many FPS. If the gun was never invented, the xbox wouldn't exist

[The Real Deal]

3 of the top selling SONY games of ALL time are the Grand Theft Auto Games. No other games produced for SONY only even comes close. Grand Tourismo is the only one in the top four thats not a Grand Theft Auto game. Thats the facts. So they loose A huge part of what made them so popular the fist two gens. 3 of their top 4 Best ALL TIME sellers folks. Thats insane. Think about it. Now those GTA fans have a choice to make. Buy a 300 dollar 360 to play Gta 4 with exclusive downloadable content or pay 600 for a ps3 and that version will be ported from the 360 with no exclusive content. Hmmmmm....Think about it. I don't make the news. I report the facts.

[zinnia]

If it was'nt for MS we would all be playing strange Japanese games. PS games are 90 percent garbage. Rated E Kid games vs rated TEEN/M adult games.

[The Real Deal]

True True...Japanese games are wierd. Halo 1 and 2 are the best selling games in AMERICA this last generation. America has spoken. So sony fanboys say what you want. Us Americans aren't going anywhere. We love our Halo and we love our Microsoft. America will evenually be number one in this next gen. A matter of fact. As of now we have a 5 million plus lead. Go USA

[Shadow Flare]

ps games are garbage...yes that would explain why the psone and ps2 have left all competition trailing behind. Its no secret xbox gamers love fps, so if u dont like rpgs or what not, dont say they're crap. Everyone has opinions and like certain games. But some people, sorry most people, like a GOOD selection of games. Something playstation has ALWAYS been best at. And dont think they'll change that with the ps3

[The Real Deal]

No No No...you got it wrong dude. Sony left the competition behind in the its first two consoles because of their business tactics. They were able to trick the average joe gamer. And when Microsoft came into the picture they started with 0 fans and built up 30 million from thin air. They built million seller franchises that go head to head with ps2's top sellers. 100 million ps2's. 30 million xbox's. But yet the Halo series is neck and neck with the Grand Tourismo series. Both titles exclusive for each system and both series combined total world wide sales are neck and neck. With Halo getting more of the American Consumers and Grand Tourismo getting more of the Japanese consumers. Thats amazing for a new company in the console business. Microsoft has converted many x sony fans because of the games. 3 of Sony's top 4 games were Grand Theft Auto games. No longer exclusive. That leaves them Grand Tourismo and thats it in the top 20 games of all time. Halo 1 and 2 are in the top 20. This next gen sony's system is 200 dollars more than Microsofts and now Microsoft has more support from 3rd parties and More 1st party top notch exclusives. And an Online componant that is un rivaled.... Live Anywhere....Connecting Gamers on Windows Vista with 360 gamers. You can be at work and from your cell phone check your xbox live account for downloads, updates, messages, ect...Get ready...Next Gen is here and Microsoft is leading the way this time around. Last gen they stuck their foot in the door. This time they have opened the door taking the world by storm. In 5 years when the next Console war starts is when we will know whether blu ray or Hd dvd will be the standard. But it will take that long to have a clear winner. Thats when ps3's will be affordable and at the same irrelevant.

[Shadow Flare]

Firstly, ms didnt start with no fanbase, theyve always had pc gamers who love up ms. And thats alot of gamers. Now sony who have never had dealings with games really started with no fans with the psone, took on the mother nintendo, and whats more, THRASHED it

Live Anywhere doesnt interest me at all. Games dont control my life, i dont want to view online details where ever i go

and do me a favour and tell me what u think of my comment 11.2 and read the comments just before it

[The Real Deal]

They didn't thrash Nintendo dude. lol...The top 10 best selling games of all time are nintendo titles. Sony has 4 in the top 20 from the ps2 to the ps1. and 3 of the 4 are Grand Theft Auto games. Microsoft with only one platform and the baby of the bunch has 2 in the top 20. Halo 1 and Halo 2. So the fact of the matter is...Yes Sony sold more systems. But Nintendo sold more games per console. And Microsoft sold a record selling 5 games per console. So that tells me that people are either A. buying playstations for movie purposes and not games. Or B. replacing the broken ones over and over again. I don't know if its a combination or one or the other. I don't care. I just know Nintendo fans buy a whole heck of a lot of games. And Microsoft leads the way with games sold per console. Take it for what its worth. But I'm the Real Deal. You better come real too if you want to have a discussion with me. I have a tendancy to make people look real stupid if they don't have a clue or if they speak like a fanboy with no facts.

[The Real Deal]

Microsoft had no fan base with console gaming. Yeah they had windows and some ok pc games but thats a different thing than console gaming. Sony had brand name with hardware not software when they came into the picture. So both started from scratch...And I loved the playstation. I was excited with all the hype behind the ps2. And I was let down like many other gamers. No more.

[The Real Deal]

-guitar hero not a game for hard core gamers
-buzz! HUH?
-singstar HUH?
-dance mat Xbox had that too..lol(and the many games incorperated with it)
-using cd's, then dvd's, now blu-ray (they did good with the cd, and dvd...but blu ray is unproven and too expensive for the casual gamer that they had locked last two generations.)
-the cell chip (Proven to be best for Blu ray movies and not game developement. As many developers have stated)
-the bluray drive (Not a standard as cd was and dvd was in their previous consoles.)

-and the eyetoy (something computers had for years first. And 360 has the vision cam that is coming out before the ps3 even hits the shelves.)

also, you wouldnt be using cd's if it wasnt for sony and phillips, so shut your sasshole boy ...(Not true. You might have been a little late to the party but computers where using cd's first. Then playstation. Then computers where using dvd's first..then Playstation 2. Get it right buddy before you start bashing others and lying.

xbox 360:

-hard-drive in a console
-live anywhere (pc's, cell phones, and 360's unite to make 100 million gamers connected)
-uses dvd's (Hd-dvd add on coming out prior to the ps3 launch with full 1080p support with firmware update for the 360 innovative dash board.)
First to use Standard wireless controller
Live Arcade games
Live Marketplace...free demos of just about every game so you can play before you buy it and in many cases play for months before a game even gets released.
Video chat
Game invite...(you can be playing a game and when your friend is playing a different game you can send him and invite while you are playing and he can instantly join the game you are playing..
I can go on and on. I'm not biased like you obviously are. I have every system. I'm the Real deal. I tell it like it is from a gamers standpoint. I can speak about all the platforms because I own them all and have many games and play games all day. 360 is unreal. And even IGN ps3 says that you are loosing out if you are waiting for a ps3. They say get both because they both have a lot to offer thats different. Me...I'll get a ps3 as well...but my hopes are not up like it was with the ps2. I got tricked once. I got excited once. But I have learned. We will see won't we. lol...

And by the way...all of Microsofts innovations are brand new...and perfected...and mastered...and exciting. Its a beautiful time to be a gamer.

[achira]

please stop talking this crap. we know that you are a ms employeer. we know that you company is sh!t. you cannot buy everything with money. ppl will recognice that ms only wants their money for offering them crap like xcrap. only such fools like you talk this crap nice... fyck of you ...

[Aflac]

the eyetoy is the only innovative thing sony did and u know it!--microsoft isnt ebven copying it, theyr just makin a camera for DIFFERENT USES. Listen to The Real Deal's post 67. he in full detail describes the innovation of MS and sony's lack of innovation.

As for the 360 setting ppl/houses on fire--that was retarded to even bring up, it wasnt even the systems themselves that did that it was ppls old circuits being over loaded--it happens-even with computers, the rumor was just exaggerated from some retarded loser.

WOW a WHOLE 3% of the systems defeftive-THATS A LOT--YEAH RIGHT, 3% is below the average percentage of defective brandnew electronic devices. Its nothin compared to a whole 3rd of ps2s being defective. u just think MS sux while sony is perfect in every way.

[pRo loGic II]

It's just the arrogance of the statements, regardless of truth, that has a growing number of people seriously looking for any reason not to buy another Sony product. A real “love the product/hate the company” attitude is building.

Sony fans are jaded while marginal gamers and potential high-definition customers are taking a wait-and-see approach. Sony’s not listening to its fans because it doesn’t have to. A large number of gamers are resigned to the fact that their PS2 will remain their platform of choice for at least another 9 months; untill they save enough for PS3 or go with Wii or 360. And why not, it’s cheap as hell and the games keep on coming.

Sadly, not enough people will know or care about Sony’s indiscretions to stop good, but not great, PS3 sales. The cattle will take their wallets and kids to PC World when the new Playstation hits because that’s what they have always done. But underneath the sales, all is not well in paradise. The Sony crown has lost its shine and the company’s shoddy treatment of customers and fans, coupled with its unhealthy fascination with copyright protection technology,PS3's price, and the top notch gamees and services MS's Xbox 360 has spells long-term trouble on the way.

[pRo loGic II]

Put'em in the back.

[The Real Deal]

They sell Sony brand movies, cd's, speakers, amps, cam corders, lab tops, computers, digital cameras, dvd players/recorders, Televisions, ect...so when sony says put our blu ray in the front but only under the terms that they put its competition in the back. Stores like Best Buy..at the corporate level have to ablidge...Sony sells everything...Then the consumers think because blu ray is being showcased and hd dvd is in the back...well blu ray must be the best thing out. Its sooo sad how they do and people fall for it time and time again. I wish Best buy and other stores would stand up and say...go ahead sony...take all your products off the shelves...But you don't control what we do...But they can't. Why? Because they know sony will just say...well there are other stores that will carry our line of movies, cd's, electronics, computers, ect...and you will loose money when your competition is selling our products and your not. But you know what. Best buy could let the world know what sony does. Let the world know..Hey guys sony told us to display their products and put our competition on the back burner with promise of money and more of their products and rebates for all their products. You ask yourself...how does he know this. I have asked reps at best buy...I have family that works at EB games. I use common sense. I'm a business man myself...So I know how things work. Think about it.

[Shadow Flare]

...i hope you realise that microsoft force every pc to use windows. It doesnt give any other operating system a chance. You go into a store and try and buy a pc without windows on it

[The Real Deal]

What kind of comparisson is that. Its like saying all cars use the wheel. And you can't go to a car lot and buy a car without wheels. Microsoft invented windows in the late 70's. Good for them. Companies have made it standard. No one forced anyone to accept it. Its the universal operating system. And now its standard on computers like the wheel is on a car. lol...you are pulling bs out of thin air now. Apple has their OS and its not windows by microsoft. Apple copied what microsoft invented in all reality. But thats a whole other debate. lol.... Sony has a lot of leverage with stores like walmart and best buy because they sell cd's, movies, electronic equipment, computers, cam corders, ect...the list goes on. They give stores special rebates for their products. ect...you have no clue. I know how it works because I work in the music industry. I can teach you things you had no idea about. For example.....Walmart sells all of its music cd's at a low price compared to music stores. Do you know why? They make no money off of the cd's. They use the cd's as a lure to get people to buy all the other products they offer. There are many tricks that go on behind the scenes that consumers don't have a clue about. What sony is doing...I know...How? I ask the right questions and I have that inside edge being in the industry myself. But it don't matter. Microsoft knows what their up against and they are doing everything right. Sony kicked them selves in the but this time all by them self. Its going to be interesting to watch it all pan out. 600 million in losses already. They have a big hole to dig itself out of this time. And they kicked their base consumers in the butt with that 600 dollar price point.

[achira]

70.1 you are right. ms is the company who pushes its windowscrap on every consumer. and this rumour of best buy. hahahaa another joke bye xrats. man can you stop please... its getting dirtier and dirtier...

[The Real Deal]

Just because you repeat yourself over and over doesn't make it true...lol...its like you are trying to convince yourself. No one believes you. We all have cars and we all have phones...we all have asked stores how are they selling and we all get the same answer. They are selling extremely well...Walmart, Target, Best Buy, Costco, Eb games, Gamestop, Game Crazy, ect...they all say they sell them as they get them. And I have been to all those stores and haven't seen one pyramid that you are talking about. They all if they have any only have 3 or 4 in at a time. At most. Costco had a pallet full but the next day had none. So you can convince yourself that its not selling but we all know. You make your self sound either A. Like a 10 year old kid or B. Like a guy thats a little slow . I'm not judging you. I'm just telling you how you make yourself sound to the majority of us. its ok...I think your ps3 will still come out on time. So what games are you excited about at launch? What games do you like to play on your ps2?

[Jay da 2KBalla]

A real deal nice posts and I like how you make these sony fanboys (gametime, shadow) look stupid. Normally I have to do it all the time lol.

[The Real Deal]

I do what I can. I am a gamer. Not a fan boy. I love games. And it just so happens 360 is an awesome piece of hardware with some outstanding games and I'm excited about the new games and hardware to come for it. I'm not excited about the ps3. ITs not because I don't like sony. Maybe the closer launch gets and maybe if I see some good things I will build some kind of excitement. But the thing is, its going to take a heck of a lot to impress me after I have experienced all that is Microsoft. ITs going to have to blow the 360 out the water to justify the price difference. And honestly from everyting I have read and seen from developers and insiders...most agree that 360 is the best for games. And I feel better personally about transitioning to the HD dvd....because of what I have seen personally at best buy with the head to head comparissons. Sony fans tend to take bad news and make it into good news. Well bad news is bad news. I'm waiting for some good news for ps3. The price was bad news...the two sku's with one being crippled severely was bad news. The blu ray delays is bad news. The e3 showing was bad news. Developers deciding to wait because of the cost of developement and the price of the console is bad news. How most games are 30 percent done with 4 months to go is bad news. I just want to hear something to get me excited. And who really thinks the way sony does business is good. Telling stores to diplay blu ray plaers but don't diplay hd players. Its not a rumor. I was told that from a floor guy at best buy. He said it came directly from corporate. Thats not cool. Let the people decide what they want. SONY...don't be scared of a little competion. SOny even said if they loss as much money as Microsoft did they wouldn't be in the gaming business. That tells it all. Microsoft is in it for the GAMERS. Thats been there sloagan all along. They have enough money to keep giving us what we want. And good things come to good people. Sony will get what they dish out. We all know what comes around goes around. How you do people will come back and haunt you. We will see.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

I agree completely and my only problem with you is your long ass posts I mean I juss gave yo props and you write me a book. lol juss kidding. But seriously I agree that sony is seriously fuking up with the ps3. And when I say fuking up I mean how they talk sh*t about microsoft and then copy that said feature. For example: It is not logical to do a worldwide launch due to shortages yet we will be doing one with the ps3, two skus is utterly retarded and confuses the consumer yet we will do it and not only that but the 500 one wont hav HDMI, we will launch in spring 06 but actually we were only joking and will launch in november because hey what do ya know our final dev kits dont come out till june. And all this in addition to what you said and lets not forget the whole we're innovative because we copied features from competitors. Now thats complete bullsh*t. To copy a fetaure and make yourself better is all fine and dandy but to copy it and call yourself innovative is sad and bs and I dont like it. You said you like sony well I dont but I do think there are some good games on PS3. Very few but some good ones nevertheless. All I know is that the games for the ps3 dont warrant the price. There is nothing on the system that makes me say hmm this is worth 200 dollars more. And also note that ps3 games will cost more as well. So yea as u said I also am not excited for ps3 and 360 is tight as hell and I think the games warrant the price and are fantastic which is evident as of e3 for 360 games were well received and how bad sony is fuking up with the ps3 was also just as evident. I personally feel that micrsosoft and nintendo are the true innovators and I dont care how many times the sony fanboys say it, BLU-RAY isnt innovative. What are these guys smokin? Its a disc drive that you can play movies on. wow. Devs have said that DVD9 is enough space oh and oblivion is only 5 GB. Guitar hero and buzz? Dont make me laugh plus guitar hero isnt even developed by sony and buzz is music trivia. wow OMG trivia

[achira]

you are a gamer? please... noone is so biased like you. a gamer would not care like you. the only thing you make all the time is advertising for xbox360. you are like a kid. go to your mama, perhaps she will buy you a xcrap.

[The Real Deal]

Why when the majority of people don't agree with you...you call people names? Does it make you feel better about yourself? Are you ok? Look in the mirror and repeat after me. "I am somebody" "I am somebody" "I do matter" "I do matter" Its ok now. Take a deep breath. You have your opinion. You have played the xbox 360 and tried all the games. You have experienced xbox live and played with your friends on live. You have played 360 games in 1080i and you just weren't impressed right? lol...Thats how you came to the conclussion in your opinion that its an xbox 1.5 right? Did you return it? Did it burn down your house? Did you get the red ring of death? We can help you with your issues. Are you getting impatient for the ps3? Are you upset because most people just aren't that excited about it like you are? Take a deep breath. Its ok. I think its still coming out. I don't know if its going to be on time but I think its coming out. Have you saved your money for it? Do you know what games are launching with it? Will you be ok if the games don't make launch? Your not going to get mad if your ps3 breaks after a few months will you? Will you buy another one if it breaks? We can help you. Lets all be friends. Gamers unite. lol....

[THE TRUTH]

M$ is behind in sales (if you look at the worldwide picture) Sony and Nintendo will begin to really pick up steam in the months leading to their launch which will hurt 360 sales. No way that anyone could intellegently tell me that 360 sales will "pick-up" during the holidays. M$ needs to sell that 10 million before September or they will have a hard time reaching that number before 2007. If M$ had a real line-up of games thus far they would have been sold 10 million. PS3 and Nintendo are worldwide consoles while the 360 is simply a U.S. console. If you don't believe me just look at the numbers of consoles sold outside the U.S. especially in Japan.

THE TRUTH IS...... MS has a lot of ground to make up and they need games A.S.A.P. GTA won't be a factor til late 2007. The fact the blu ray has been delayed may in fact help the PS3 because they will release about the same time frame and when people see the price of a stand-alone player compared to the PS3 they will definetly see value. Another reason is Sony may be using the delay to produce more PS3's for release.

THE TRUTH IS.... if M$ has been losing in sales to the PS2 because they cut the cord on the original XBOX way to early, if M$ had strong suppot for it and a lower price people would see value in it and that competion would still be there. I don't think M$ looked out for the best interest for their customers with cutting down the support of the XBOX especially when it still had life left in it. Sony at least is supporting the popular format and the sales of games like kingdom hearts 2 prove that the system is far from dead. M$ should not be forgiven for this becuase the lifespan of XBOX was way shorter in comparison to the PS2(Xbox came out after PS2 and died before PS2) let's just "hope" that M$ doesn't make this huge mistake this generation.

These are my opinions of the three consoles situation in this very heated Next-Gen console race.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Why do you continue to post this? Sorry to burst your bubble but just because that is what you believe doesnt make it the truth. I understand that they are your opinions as of which you are completely entitled to however to say that its the truth is incorrect and seeing how none of that is true and simply speculation I dont feel the need to post a counter argument.

[Bill Gates]

Baller you're an idiot. Sumnaztee laid it all out very clear, and has made very valid point. M$ jumped on the Next gen wagon way too early and that will hurt them in the long run. SONY still has gemes like God of War 2, Okami, FFXII, and many other great games still due to come out for the PS2 which clearly shows what a great value the system still is. In my opinion SONY more that just delivered what they set out to deliver with the PS2, they surpassed it. The moment SONY begins advertising the PS3 on a global scale, the will want one. You xbox fanboys that come to this site are pathetic. You're all just looking for any means to justify your early purchase of the 360. Thr system is NOT a true next gen system. There is nothing new about it other than shinier graphics. Dumb midwest americans are the only people falling for it LMFAO.

[THE TRUTH]

is the link that 360 fans have been screeming about? http://1up.com/do/newsStory...

This is not even a report from ubisoft so how can you guys hardly call any of this "fact"?

If it does come to 360 it will be a timed exclusive so what's all the fuss about? Heavenly sword becoming a launch title is much more important news that this..........

[Jay da 2KBalla]

1. Assasins creed is coming to the 360 for it was said by sources clost to ubisoft which pretty much means someone who works at ubisoft who doesnt want to be named.

2. You saying it will be a timed exclusive is speculation.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

" No way that anyone could intellegently tell me that 360 sales will "pick-up" during the holidays."

I can tell you that 360 sales will pick-up during the holidays and trust me I am very intelligent. The sales of the 360 will pick up because:

1. Games: assasins creed (considered best ps3 game of e3 and is coming to 360), Gears of War (considered best game of e3), Mass Effect(best graphics technology of e3), Forza 2 (sequel to best racing sim of 2005) FEAR (best pc shooter) Viva Pinata (will be marketed very strongly, only kid game on either ps3 or 360 this year, and will have a tv series by 4 kids entertainment on warner bros. with saturday morning cartoons.

2.Live arcade Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, frogger etc.

3. Shortages of ps3 and 360s lower price point

4. PS3s killer app at launch is on 360 (assasins creed)

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

They have OK games. They have OTHER system's games. Microsoft hasn't helped their box ONE FREAKIN' BIT! Halo will be ok, like the other two, but Gears of War will be better. How can ANYONE say Gears of War is even that good??? It's Unreal Tournament!...THE SAME THING. THE SAME COMPANY!!! Epic wants MONEY! Gears has ok graphics, but personally, Resistance, Warhawk, and Crysis...look WAY better...and i KNOW for a FACT that Resistance got the physics right and they're a LOT better than Gears. Screw you!

[The Real Deal]

Why when the majority of gamers disagree with the few and the loud, Sony Fanboys...Sony Fanboys call people names? Does it make you feel better about yourself? Are you ok? Look in the mirror and repeat after me. "I am somebody" "I am somebody" "I do matter" "I do matter" Its ok now. Take a deep breath. You have your opinion. You have played the xbox 360 and tried all the games. You have experienced xbox live and played with your friends on live. You have played 360 games in 1080i and you just weren't impressed right? lol...Thats how you came to the conclussion in your opinion that its an xbox 1.5 right? Did you return it? Did it burn down your house? Did you get the red ring of death? We can help you with your issues. Are you getting impatient for the ps3? Are you upset because most people just aren't that excited about it like you are? Take a deep breath. Its ok. I think its still coming out. I don't know if its going to be on time but I think its coming out. Have you saved your money for it? Do you know what games are launching with it? Will you be ok if the games don't make launch? Your not going to get mad if your ps3 breaks after a few months will you? Will you buy another one if it breaks? We can help you. Lets all be friends. Gamers unite. lol....

[achira]

the real deal: what majority do you mean ? the 5 xrats here on the site ??? go home you looser...

[Bill Gates]

Baller you're an idiot. Sumnaztee laid it all out very clear, and has made very valid points. M$ jumped on the Next gen wagon way too early and that will hurt them in the long run. SONY still has games like God of War 2, Okami, FFXII, and many other great games still due to come out for the PS2 which clearly shows what a great value the system still is. In my opinion SONY more than just delivered what they set out to deliver with the PS2, they surpassed it. The moment SONY begins advertising the PS3 on a global scale, the people will want one. You Xbox fanboys that come to this site are pathetic. All you do is come to this site and talk sh!t about SONY and its product and praise M$ and its 360, but yet you're not fanboys?? Huh. I own an Xbox and enjoyed it. I say it in the past tense because I no longer use it. There are no F-ing games for it. That and the fact that I feel M$ shafted me by not supporting it longer. On the other hand SONY started slow with the PS2 and is now going very strong with it. You're all just looking for any means to justify your early purchase of the 360. The system is NOT a true next gen system. You need to come to terms with that. There is nothing new about it other than shinier graphics. Dumb Midwest Americans who only like to support American companies are the only people falling for it LMFAO. This time around SONY will come into the ring with a F-ing bat and it's swinging for M$'s head. All the launch games are looking much better than any launch games for the 360 and they're only going to get better. It will only be a matter of time before all of you see this and decide "well maybe just one NONamerican product is ok so I'll buy it". And another thing, I completely agree that M$ has very good looking games coming for the 360, but again almost all of the are FPS. I'm so sick of FPS. One more F-ing thing, Dreamcast started the trend for online, M$ stole the console made it Dreamcast 1.5 with xbl, and now we have the dreamcast 2.0 under the veil of xb360 so quit saying that SONY stole the idea from M$. It was only a matter of time before all three companies set up their own online systems you jackas.ses. "Oh Sony copied the "home " button of the 360 controller"...the psp had a home button first due to its increased media functions, it is now a must you idiots. My God you're stupid.

In regards to HDMI 1.3 there is a difference from 1.2 you idiots. A big difference.

* Higher speed: Increase in bandwidth from 165MHz (in previous version) to 340MHz
* Deep color: Support of 30-bit, 36-bit and 48-bit color depths (from 24-bit in previous version)
* Broader color space: Removal of virtually all limits on color selection
* New mini connector: For greater support of small portable devices
* Lip Sync: Automatic audio/video syncing capability
* New lossless audio formats: Support for new formats including Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio

GO NINTENDO!!!

[The Real Deal]

Microsoft didn't jump in too early. The 360 and the ps3 were done about the same time. Remember Sony was suppose to launch the first quarter 2006. Only a few months after the 360. The delay is because of the cell and blu ray drive in the ps3's. Microsoft came out first because they went with proven gaming componants...rather than unproven unstable componants. But they both spec wise were done E3 2005. Get your facts straight.

[achira]

the launch games of the xbox360 were so crappy. but the worst was the console. it was a rushed job, you know it.

[The Real Deal]

Pray while we Play. We will have a 10 million lead. I can't wait for the ps3 to come out. 360 fans are talking about how they have graduated from the last gen to the next gen. 360 gamers are excited an happy with whats out and what is coming. Jump In.

Ps3 fans are praying the bad news stops
Ps3 fans are praying the 360 doesn't sell the same or more than they did last gen. 30 million microsoft fans and live anywhere makes everything Microsof does relevant. Sony hates that. Sony fans hate that.
ps3 fans pray ps3 gets released on time
ps3 fans pray the launch games are better than what they have been showing.
ps3 fans are upset that xbox fans are a happy bunch of gamers who buy more games than sony fans do per console. Sorry Sony fans. We aren't going anywhere and we are growing at a faster rate than the previous xbox did within the same time.
But most of what you say is your opinion based on lies. Which totally makes you look young or ignorant. Good luck with your ps3. Keep praying the average gamer that has to save to buy a 130 dollar ps2 will save 600 plus to get a blu ray player. yeah thats it...Blu ray is the standard and everyone can relate. We all have hundreds of blu ray movies already. How convenient. THink about it....

[achira]

you forgot something. Ps3 fans prey that you should get a crapbox360 in you ass. oh it wont fit...

[DOLBY DI GA TAL pf]

Hello all,
I've been following this discussion for quite some time now,even though this has nothing to do with the topic at all im just clearing things up.

First a bit on my background.
I have done an education for computer sciences with a major in 3D graphics development, and I am now working for my PhD.
Since this is so, I have worked quite a bit with hardware in terms of programming and graphics creation.

Let me warn all of you, sony is overhyping it's product once again, like they have done before.
And I am amazed to see how biased several of the webpages and magazines are.
They all try to downsize Xeon and Xenon technology, but with the arguments and testcases that most of these sources come up with , Cell and RSX will often come out way worse, yet that's a thing they do not show us of course.

Many people don't seem to grasp that ATI's Xenon truly is a revolution in terms of pipeline architecture.
Unlike the RSX the Xenon is truly next gen,
Xenon revolutionizes powermanagement within it's core, so it doesn't need all the mhz's to create a massive output.

The unified shader architecture also gives developers way more playground, and the Xbox 360 will certainly be able to incorperate more ways of instruction for creating and rendering the graphics on screen.
The RSX on the other hand will have it's massive clockspeed, but it will use it in a less efficient way.

Anyway, with the specs of both consoles now fully released it is possible to do a REAL TIME comparinson of the 2 consoles,your about to see what most of the sony representetives didnt want you to see.

Comparing these two GPU's is like comparing Apples to Banana's.
RSX on paper will have certain advantages over Xenon, and Xenon will have certain advantages over RSX.

There is the element of co-operation with the CPU we also have to consider.

Ok, lets put up the specs for the RSX as published.

- 550 Mhz

- 51 billion dot products/sec count's for total system performance

- 300 Million Transistors

- 136 shader operations per clock

good now that's for the facts as presented to us, we have 550 MHz of power to work with

The Cell and the RSX together are capable to produce 51 billion dot products.
I think it is interesting to take a closer look at this claim especially, since I worked with this bit while the specs of both consoles first became public, the important thing is that mnay people just compare the seperate peices of each console to PS fanboys and PS3 no-it-alls it will be music to there ears, but to us who know about computers and know how to compare them,ill tell you one thing, sony has lost alot of its credibility ;).

Anyway.
Since the Cell will have 7 DSP's all being able to do a dot product per cycle, we have some numbers to work with, we can put the numbers in a small calculation.

7DSP * 3.2(ghz) = 22.4 billion dot products/sec for the CPU

since we had 51 billion in total , we will have to substract them to know what is left for the GPU.

51 - 22.4 = 28.6 Billion dot products

When you devide this number to the clockspeed of the GPU you will get 52 ALU operations per clock as they are called.

Now as stated before, the RSX's architecture is not that different from the GeForce 6800 and so it will use Vector4 standards.
Since ATI's architecture is done with Vector5s it will handle the material a bit different.
Now there also the Multiply Add instructions, in short MADD instructions to work with.
In plain English MADD means that the vector graphic will be recalculated to it's precise position, and the instruction always sort of double checks before we get output, that's why we have throw in the 2 value in the end calculation.

So, what we have here is this.

52 ALU ops * 4 floats (vector4s) * 550 (clockspeed) * 2 (MADD) =228.8

Gflops for the RSX and Cell as a team.

If we do the same with the specs of Xbox 360 we will find that it does the following, all the numbers provided through the same calculation though with the Xeon the dot products are devided over it's 3 cores.

48 ALU ops (less than PS3) * 5 floats (vector5s better than PS3) * 500 (less than PS3) * 2(MADD) = 240 Gflops for Xenon, and Xeon as a team

This is one example of how this Xenon GPU together with the Xeon does more with less, and in this case it will give slightly better graphics.

So in theory we have a more powerful RSX with more Mhz's at it's disposal which due to some limitations within the architecture can not be used to it's full potential.

overall the RSX basically is a current gen processor which is overclocked, since it's architecture is not that different from it's predecessors.

I think in the end it will most definately come to the creative sollutions of the game programmers..
Which is when the xbox 360 wins overall as What many people are missing is that the new architecture of ATI opens new ways in terms of graphical development, and the 3 core CPU helps greatly too,as ahmed said earlier:

''the Cell has only one PPE to the IBM's Xenon's three, which means that developers will have to cram all their game control, AI, and physics code into at most two threads that are sharing a very narrow execution core with no instruction window.''
-No need for me to explain anymore.

which is why developers can now ponder new ways of programming, while for PS3 Developers will be bound to the more conventional ways of programming, and the power will be harder to effectively program.

So in terms of hardware the Xbox 360 definately will be able to deliver more performance.

Not to forget the price too. the ps3 will be $499 for the low grade and $599 for the premium grade,and the games cost $60-? each.But the thing that bothers me is that with the xbox 360 all you have to do with the core console is buy a hard drive and it wouild be a premium console,but for a low grade ps3($499) it has alot of features missing that you cant just buy that sony said the console will have,such

If you think the 360 line up won't counter some of PS3's sales you're living in a dream world. Consumers will shop at the end of the year and the buzz of the line up will have people thinking hard. [Bill Gates] you're a fool we will see with MS's stellar line up.

[DOLBY DI GA TAL pf]

The end result is that the Xbox 360 will be available this Christmas for US$299 and US$399, and users who are interested in adopting HD DVD will likely be able to add that to the Xbox 360 for a price. I don't expect Microsoft to heavily subsidize their HD DVD drive because it will not serve to directly sell more Xbox 360 consoles (indirect effects could be positive). Some subsidy may be necessary if the company wants to sell the add-on for US$199, however. Either way, Microsoft feels that it's safe because currently few people at this point are expecting Christmas 2006 to be a blowout for HD DVD or Blu-ray. From where they sit, the HD optical revolution is optional for now.

For Sony, it's not optional. You want a PS3, you get Blu-ray. In some ways, this is a great deal if you switch that equation around to, "You want Blu-ray, you get a PS3." If you are in the market for a Blu-ray player, the PS3 is indeed worthy of consideration; it's certainly less expensive than other players. This is exactly what happened with the PS2. When it debuted in 2000, it was one of the least expensive DVD players on the market, especially in Japan. But also keep in mind that DVD was almost four years old by the time, which meant that consumer demand for DVD and DVD players was proven, and the drives themselves had been through more than one generation of revision. Neither can be said for Blu-ray at this time.

Hence, if you're not in the market for a Blu-ray player, then the built-in Blu-ray player has less appeal to you. In fact, it may be unappealing, since it is more or less the reason why the PS3 costs so much more than the Xbox 360. A key point here: value is a personal assessment of how much something is worth relative to other products. The argument "It's well worth $600 because it has Blu-ray" misses the point if it's meant to be taken objectively.

What if Sony had taken an approach similar to Microsoft's? The company could have easily sold a Blu-ray drive add-on, and they could have subsidized it to their heart's content. A cheaper PS3 wouldn't be a lesser PS3, especially if the savings dovetailed nicely with an accessory add-on. How does this comparison grab you: Blu-ray will be worthless to most and the price will hurt Sony. People will go with whats cheaper always.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

You are the idiot because all your posts are complete fanboy bs and I dont feel like countering everything you said because it seems like dolby and real deal already did that and good posts to both of you. I said that sumnatzee is entitled to his opinion did you read my posts fool? I said that what he said isnt the truth which it isnt for many reasons one mainly being that umm hmm november hasnt happened yet and what he said is speculation and specualation isnt truth but simply what someone thinks will happen. Also I'm so sorry to burst both of your bubbles again but everyone at E3 who are people who work in the industry who know more about games than you and me said 360 games look better and microsoft had a very strong showing. The only reason ps3 games look as nice as they do (and yes there are some nice looking ps3 games its juss 360's look better) is because ps3 devs have had an extra year to develop them. I want to bring up an extrememly valid point here: If microsoft launched this year with the 360, every single game would blow ps3's out of the water due to the dev time. So launch titles dont show which ones are more powerful because if that were the case then 360 would be way more powerful cpu and gpu wise and until sony releases the finalzed specs we wont know which one is truly more powerful. And then you brought up stuff that I didnt even say like the home button. WTF the 360's doesnt have a home button it has a guide button which is different and better.

Leon- Everyone at E3 loved gears of war and gears of war looked better than anything on ps3 sorry. And crysis is a pc game you idiot. And what do you mean they have other systems games if you mean pc games than you are an idiot for that as well because the pc games that are coming to the 360 run on um hmm whats it called o yea Microsoft Windows.

You say 360 is simply shinier graphics well what is next gen about ps3. But 360 isnt just shinier graphics there is great multiplayer with no lag and very good voice quality, live anywhere, marketplace, arcade. I cant think of anything thats next gen about ps3 except graphics but then again 360s look better to me and nearly everyone at E3. But bill gates I am not an idiot and sumnatzee didnt make a valid point and you need to get off his d!ck for I didnt offend him nor did I praise microsoft I just stated my opinion and didnt try to call it the truth like he did however all you did in your posts was praise sony as most of you you sony fanboys do.

Like I said earlier good posts by real deal and dolby.

[achira]

you talk only fanboy bs. pleaso stop this biased talk.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Actually it seems as though sony already has released the finalized specs. My bad i wasnt aware that they did dolby and that was a very well done comparison.

[pRo loGic II]

Sony has no doubt examined Microsoft's next-gen console under a microscope, hoping to glean lessons it could apply to the PlayStation 3. But even with the cautionary tale of the Xbox 360 well documented, Sony will likely still have obstacles to face. 360's AI is most impressive it tries to out think you and it learns you're every move i can't wait to see what Dev's do with the 360 in the future. Those are the things i look at as for what Next-gen means to me; and i owned alot of consoles and been gaming since 1985.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Exactly pro logic

[The Real Deal]

Ign PS3

Compliments
I am very impressed by your professionalism. It was nice seeing that you had no negative comments on any of the letters particularly regarding the 360. I admit that I am just keeping informed on all that is gaming and not necessarily interested in a PS3 (however, I had the same feelings towards the original Xbox and ended up with one when "The Suffering" was cancelled on GameCube). Keep up the awesome work! You, sir, are an example to us all!

--xtc

Thank you very much for the kind word, I definitely appreciate it. I'm happy to say that none of the guys on the PlayStation Team (that would be me, Chris Roper, Juan Castro, and Jeff Haynes), have any negative feelings or biases against the 360. Despite our focus on PS products, we're gamers first and it's the software that matters and the 360 is very impressive. We'd be doing ourselves and our readers a great disservice if it were any other way. That said, we're definitely passionate about our jobs and hopefully that comes through in our coverage.

[The Real Deal]

If Microsoft see's that there is a market for gamers to use the hdmi interface and the 1080p. It can easily be done. They could make an hdmi adapter which they most likely will with the release of the HD dvd player add on...and with another xbox live update, they could ad 1080p as an option for output as well. Its really that simple. They just realize that most people have 1080i televisions right now if they even have hd televisions at all. 5 % of consumers have hd tv's period. They know that 1080p is taboo for 99% of consumers right now. They also know that in about 5 years we will have a better idea of what most people have as far as TV standards and formatt standards...1080p tv's and whether they have hd dvd players or blu ray. Now by that time new game systems will be on its way out. But this is an hd transition period and a very small amount of consumers have truly plunged into the hd era. Sony is basically hoping that people just love sony so much that they will all of a sudden feel like they have to make that jump into the blu ray market and hd tv market. So what sony is hoping on is that because of them. The average Joe consumer will spend 600 plus on a ps3 and 4000 plus on a 1080p tv, and 25 to 45 dollars for blu ray movies, and 70 dollars for 3rd party games. Just out of the blue. Just all of a sudden. What's going to happen is people who want HD gaming but want to ease into it. People will get a 360 when they see the ps3 has no graphical advantage and they see the wide variety of HOT games out before christmas and how they can interact with their cell phones and their home computers via Live Anywhere. Then when they feel its time they will get a hd tv. Then when they feel its time they will get the hd dvd add on if they want to watch high def movies. Microsoft doesn't force you to spend 6000 dollars to enter the hd generation. They ease you into it knowing that most people just can't afford it. And with a price drop by christmas it will be that much easier. Think about it.

[MISSY E]

June 27, 2006 Over G Fighters Flight
July 10, 2006 Prey (Limited Collector's
July 11, 2006 Chromehounds SEGA Action
July 18, 2006 NCAA Football 07 Electronic
August 8, 2006 Dead Rising Capcom Action
August 15, 2006 N3: Ninety-Nine Nights
August 29, 2006 Enchanted Arms Ubisoft RPG
August 29, 2006 Saints Row THQ Action
Summer 2006 Captain Blood Playlogic
September 12, 2006 Open Season Ubisoft
September 12, 2006 Test Drive Unlimited
September 26, 2006 Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell
Q3 2006 Tracer *TBA Action
Fall 2006 Cars THQ Racing Action
Fall 2006 World Series of Poker: Tournament of
October 2, 2006 Blitz: The League Midway
October 3, 2006 Just Cause Eidos
October 6, 2006 Star Trek: Legacy Bethesda
October 24, 2006 Phantasy Star Universe
November 7, 2006 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six
November 7, 2006 Battlestations: Midway Eidos
November 2006 Worldwide Soccer Manager 2007
November 2006 Viva Pinata Microsoft
Holiday 2006 Too Human Microsoft Adventure
Holiday 2006 Superman Returns: The Videogame
TBA 2006 Killing Day Ubisoft Shooter
December 2006 Eragon Vivendi Games
Q4 2006 Rayman Raving Rabbids Ubisoft
TBA 2006 Street Fighter II Hyper Fighting
TBA 2006 HoopWorld Action
TBA 2006 1XR *TBA Racing Action
TBA 2006 Tetris THQ Puzzle Action
TBA 2006 Totemball Action
TBA 2006 Dance Dance Revolution Universe
TBA 2006 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 [TBA]
TBA 2006 Samurai Warriors 2 KOEI Action
TBA 2006 DogTag Digital Jesters Action
TBA 2006 Gears of War Microsoft Shooter
TBA 2006 Interview with a Made Man
TBA 2006 Huxley Webzen Shooter
TBA 2006 211 *TBA Action
TBA 2006 Galaga NAMCO BANDAI Group Shooter
TBA 2006 Pac-Man NAMCO BANDAI Group Action
TBa 2006 Cloning Clyde Action
TBA 2006 Stuntman 2 THQ Racing Action
Fall 2006 Demonik Majesco Action
TBA 2006 Conflict: Global Terror 2
TBA 2006 Theseis *TBA Adventure
TBA 2006 Mass Effect Microsoft RPG
TBA 2006 After Burner SEGA Flight Action
TBA 2006 World Championship Poker: Featuring TBA 2006 Highlander SCi Entertainment
TBA 2006 Mutant Storm 2 Microsoft Action
TBA 2006 Voodoo Nights Action
TBA 2006 Total Overdose 2 SCi
TBA 2006 Castle Wolfenstein [untitled sequel]
TBA 2006 House of the Dead SEGA Shooter
TBA 2006 Dirty Harry Warner Bros.
TBA 2006 Jade Empire 2 (Unnanounced) *TBA
TBA 2006 Dead or Alive Xtreme 2 Tecmo
TBA 2006 SSX 4 Electronic Arts Sports
Q4 2006 Forza Motorsport 2 Microsoft

[The Real Deal]

Microsoft xbox and xbox360 has a record setting 5 games per console attatch ratio. I can see at least 10 MUST HAVE TITLES on that incomplete list. I'm getting every game. BUt wow...I see some console sellers all through out that list. AMAZING. Good Job Microsoft. Its time. Jump In....

[Shadow Flare]

cool to see a list of games laid out here, nice one

When i look at this list, i point out 3 games dat i would like. Only 1 of them is exclusive to 360, and thats forza. But as a playstation gamer, i dont need it cos id rather play gran turismo 5. Im not da only non-xbox gamer out there and im sure as hell aint the only one who thinks like this. To me none of dis is worth buying an 360 for. Thats my civil opinion

ps missy, remember the reply you made to me bout civil comments? Lets see the replys i get

[Jay da 2KBalla]

What games can you list that are worth buying a ps3? Also I didnt even know GT5 was coming to the ps3. I thought it was called GTHD which is Gran turismo 4( a ps2 game) upscaled on the ps3.

PS- You are a moron if anybody simply because of your previous complete fanboy posts which made absolutely no sense.

[Shadow Flare]

haha my comments wud only not make sense to a barnicle like yourself. As i gaze through your comments, a 1/3 of them are, "EXACTLY `-xbox fanboy-'

GT HD is NOT a game, it was a demonstration for 1080p. The game will be called GT5

And titles that interest me are:

Metal Gear Solid 4
Gran Turismo 5
Final Fantasy XIII (and VII if its made)
Warhawk
Motorstorm
Killzone 2

are you gonna tell me that im an idiot for wanting these games? These games interest ME, not you, ME, and these are why i want a ps3

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Where is your proof of 1/3 of my comments being xbox fanboy? Name some posts please.

And actually I called you a moron because of your post to missy about "civil" comments in a previous topic. Out of that very small list there is only 1 game that interests me which would be Killzone 2 but considering all that has been shown of this game is pre-rendered cgi I'm not so sure about it. Guerilla said that what was showed at E32005 wasnt cgi but if that was true then I believe it would have been showed at E32006 for sony needed that title considering that so many people consdered their conference completely boring especially with the 15 minutes of GTHD. However as an gamer that likes each console who currently owns a 360 I would rather play gears of war or halo 3 especially since gears is something new and halo is considered to be the greates fps on the console. I also sure hell aint the only person who thinks this way. To me none of those gamesa re worth paying 600 dollars for a ps3 and then 70+ per game.

Also as for the gran turismo argument. GTHD is a game. Sony hasnt announced GT5. The game at E3 2005 was callde Vision Gran Turismo which is the only cough "next gen" cough gran turismo that has been announced and this is the same game that they showed at E32006 as GTHD which I will say again is simply the ps2 Gran Turismo 4 upscaled for the ps3. Heres a link:
http://ps3.ign.com/objects/...

Notice what it says right under Vision Gran Turismo.

[Shadow Flare]

In that ONE PARAGRAPH article link you made for me, it said in it, "but the title of this game is still unknown"

How the HELL does that manifest your claim that its called Gran Turismo HD? And you're the one who made the link! You freakin idiot! Its a one paragraph article, its not that hard to find the quote

you ARE a kid arent you? I was right to never read your comments seriously, cos the one im replying to now is proof that your a blind minded fool

HAHA U IDIOT!!!

[Jay da 2KBalla]

The point wasnt about the name of the game you idiot. The point was that GTHD is the only gran turismo that hs been announced and that it is a game. So what the official name is unknown. Again So what? Sony said the name Vision gran turismo then said it was GTHD and GTHD can still possibly be the name especially considering sony owns polyphony and is publishing this game and they can make the name whatever they want. And if the change it to GT5. Ok wow they changed the title. And? My point is that GT5 hasnt been announced and if it is to be called GT5 then it will be GTHD which is simply a ps2 port upscaled.

Sorry but the jokes on you fool.

[Shadow Flare]

If you watch the GT HD section of the sony press conference, it is stated that GT HD is JUST a demonstration of gran turismo in 1080p. In fact the freakin CREATOR of gran turismo stated NUMEROUS times that GT HD is not a preview of the next installment of gran turismo, it is just an upgraded version of GT4 demonstrated in 1080p. He stated this, numerous times as to not confuse idiots like yourself, that GT HD is the next Gran Turismo. If your willing to misinterpret articles by editors than thats your choice, but if you're just too plain arrogant to listen to what the creator of gran turismo says, than you're a blind minded xbox fool

[The Real Deal]

Lets share. Can you share some storys of your experiences with next gen gaming on your ps2? Let me share some....
I was so excited and pumped up about the ps2 launch. After playing dreamcast my expectations were very high with all the hype sony had created. On launch day I got home and plugged in my ps2. Played the some games. And I was very upset. I felt like I was tricked. Thats the feeling I had. But I was patient. I just assumed well, maybe its just the first gen games and thats why nba live sucked and Nba 2k on the dreamcast was light years ahead of the ps2 nba live. I waited...and waited...Then it broke. Then I heard the rumors that 30 % of the ps2 were defective. I ended up eventually buying another one when more titles were coming out. That was about the time the dreamcast was going away. I was so down. I wasn't a fan boy. I was a gamer left with no good games to play. Dreamcast was dead. Ps2 was a lie and just not very impressive. Then Microsoft xbox comes out. I was skeptical. I had been tricked once with all the hype talk. I of course bought it on launch day like I do for every system. Well, My life has never been the same. Gaming is fun again. Halo was unbelievable. I'm a pc gamer too but Halo took first person shooters to a whole new level. I was having lan parties. Thats why I bought 4 xboxes. Just for Halo. I had high expectations for the xbox and I can honestly say...they were surpassed. And thats what being a gamer is all about. Not being a fan..just the love of playing great games. Time and time again Microsoft delivered with great game after great game. Now here we are. xbox 360. I bought it at launch and my expectations were surpassed. It made me buy 6 of them and it made me buy 6 hd tv's. It made me get 6 xbox live accounts eventually ect. I am once again...Wowed... Thats why I talk highly of Microsoft. They deserve it. They talked the talk. And they walked the walk. And Gamers Benefit from their committment and their innovations to gaming. Jump in...

[MISSY E]

I see 25 games on that list i know enough about, and i think they'll do pretty good. Theirs so many more that iv seen, but i was to lazzy to look. PS3 fans keep saying they hate what MS has to offer and that's fine, but are those 3 or 4 games on the PS3 that good?. I think it's Brand comfort and the Flashy Japanses names of the games that have you closed minded lol. If Assasin's Creed was 360 exclusive PS3 fans would have never backed it they would have critisized it, Cuz the names not that flashy; like Warhawwwk or FF-tzzzy.

[Shadow Flare]

actually i own every gran turismo, own every metal gear solid and have final fantasy 7,8 and 10 and let me tell you, there's a reason why there are sequals to these games. Because they are absolutely brilliant and are massively popular. And i love these games. Maybe if you PLAYED them, you would see why they're so popular. If you have and you just dont like them, then thats your opinion but dont rant on about them being successful cos of flashy names. Playstation ACTUALLY does have good games on it, geez

[Jay da 2KBalla]

I agree with Missy.

[Shadow Flare]

you would agree with ANYONEs comment as long as its pro-microsoft and anti-sony, you stupid closed mind kid

Say, would you agree with what im about to say,

-its a good thing that the ps3 can handle HDMI 1.3-

you agree with that kid?

[MISSY E]

Ranting about 20 year old games that have not been challanged is weak. I stop playing Metal Gear after NES. Anyways what you're saying is that, if they keep making them that means i should buy them.? I can see it know Halo 5 and Fable 14 grose.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

I will agree with someone if it is true and if that person made a good point which missy did. Yes I agree it is good that the ps3 can do HDMI 1.3 but do I care? no. Does the 500 version even have hdmi? No. In my opinon do 360 games look better than ps3 games even though the 360 wont have HDMI? Yes. So call me blind or whatever but only thing that comes out of your mouth is bs and yes I'm 16 years old but from the looks of our arguments all of the excessive name calling you do simply beacuse I proved you wrong, I would say that you are more immature than me. Notice I've only called you names sucha as fool or idiot after you have called me one or the other and if I'm a fool yet I know what I'm talking about and have proved you wrong then I would consider you to be the real fool and therefore I call you as such. Also I hope that you arent that much older than me because if you are in your 40s on a foruma as much as you are instead of going to work and having kids and what not I would consider you kind of sad.

You know I could stoop down to your level and call you things like shadow f@g, shadow f*ck, shadow g@y f*ck, shadow fanboy that blows kutaragi for a living, or shadow man slave but I wont do that cuz I'm not rude like you however if I have made a rude comment to you in the past thats my bad but its only cuz I was frustrated with the bs that you was sayin.

lol

[achira]

wait a year after the ps3 launch and you will see there will be far more games for the ps3. the ps3 isnt out yet and has far more support the xbox360 has last year. ps3 will rock.

[Shadow Flare]

i'll say this. That's the first time you've ever agreed to anything i've said before. Why? Because i forced you into a situation where you HAD to agree with my, otherwise you'd look stupid. And what's more, you agreed, but STRAIGHT away told me why you think it's stupid. Why can't you just freakin AGREE with me, and thats that?

Secondly, i make fun of your name, because i hate the ridiculous comments you make, (maybe hate is too a strong word, lets say i strongly detest your annoyingly stupid fanboy comments). Lets just say, 1/4 of your comments consist of, "i agree with you _____" or "EXACTLY _____)" And you have NEVER said anything positive about sony never. And at the end of the day, no matter what reason you give for it, YOUR A FANBOY. Likewise for TheMART, Sir Nathaniel, TheLandOfSand and The Real Deal. I include the real deal too because if he is really, the REAL DEAL, then he would REALise and mention some good points about playstation, believe me, there ACTUALLY are some. And when you commented on my 11.2 post, you put every single one of those innovations down. Does xbox have any of those cool party periferals? And for Buzz!, you wrote BUZZ!?? as if you've never heard of it. The party periferals are actually REALLY successful where i live in the UK because it DOESN'T appeal to hardcore gamers, and xbox has nothing like that. Real Deal, if you're so real, then be evenly commented bout both consoles, not just continually slating the ps3. And I HAVE said good things bout xbox in the past (such as LIVE etc.) unlike you all

But the second reason i make fun of your name jay, is cos its just too easy to. The oppertunity for comedy with a name like jay the box baller is endless. haha

And by the way, you surprise me that you're 16. Your unintellectual comments and endless playstation bashing made me think you were 10. And me? I'm 18, believe it or not. You probably wouldn't believe that cos, you dont believe anything i say anyway haha

[MISSY E]

Ninja Gaiden 2 / MotoGP / Test Drive / Forza 2 / Fable 2 / Over G / Grand Raid Offroad / Crome Hounds / Too Human / Mass Effect / Army of Two / Saints Row / Splinter Cell / Battlestations / Enchanted Arms / GTA 360 version / Embrace of Time / DogTag / Gears of War / Halo 3 / Huxley / Voodoo Nights / Frogger / Haze / F.E.A.R. / UNO / Bio Shock / ViVa / Alan Wake / Crack Down / Lost Planet / Blue Dragon / WarHammer / Just Cause / 211/ Over Lord / Shadow of Aten / Apb / Crome 2 / Shaun Whites SB / Campions of Alantis / Data Fly / The Out sider / Shadow Run / Dead or Alive Code Cronos / Cloning Clyde / Two Worlds / Far East of Eden: Ziria / Lost Odyssey / Operation Darkness / War Devil. These are the games im looking forward to playing on the 360. It's the PS3 that does'nt have any games in my opinion, let say that again, 360 has the games i like and wan't.

[MISSY E]

Cell factor / Crysis? / def Jam3 / Elveon / Hoop World / Infernal /

[Marriot VP]

hope you have a money tree....missy

[silent ninja]

you guys need to settle you differences and accept who are

[The Real Deal]

Metal Gear Solid 4 (not coming out at launch and maybe not even this year)
Gran Turismo 5 ( its grand Turismo 4 HD basically and at E3 the crowds were not impressed... and its not coming out this year)
Final Fantasy XIII ( its not coming out this year and possibly not even untill 2008)
Warhawk (Its iffy for this year)
Motorstorm (Its iffy for this year)
Killzone 2 (its not coming out till 2007)
So at best you have maybe...just MAYBE 2 games on your list of Must buys for the ps3 and most are over a year from release. Why suffer and wait for the games you want when you can broaden your horizons with the 360. Jump In. Next Gen Gaming is here and Like the editors at IGN PS3 have said time and time again.."I would highly recommend getting an xbox 360...and then get a ps3 as well" Why would they say that. Because there are some TOP NOTCH games with NEW and FRESH Franchises being made...and ALL PRIOR to the ps3 launch. So if indeed those are your must haves...you will be waiting for a long time. If you are a GAMER....Get the 360....Then get the ps3 and enjoy what both next gen systems have to offer. I would bet you any amount of money that you would MORE than enjoy yourself with an xbox 360. That's coming from a gamer to gamer. If you like RPG's. Try some new ones that are ONLY for 360. Mass Effect, Blue Dragon, Ect...There are about 5. Enjoy being a Gamer. As you get older you will realize that you get more pleasure trying new things rather than limit yourself to the same ole same ole. Thats Real. I have converted Sooooo many SONY fans just from inviting to my house and checking out what the 360 has to offer...Now sure some will still plunge and get a ps3. Like ME. But they are no longer close minded to the other side of Gaming. 30 million of us aren't lying. Microsoft has pleased many a gamer. Jump In. I'm sure many of the titles you saw on that list of 360 games you have no clue about. So therefore they don't spark interest. Well I do a lot of research and 360 games on that list cleaned house at E3 with all the next gen awards. Don't sleep on what you don't know. Open your mind. We aren't fanboys. We are gamers. Some of us will buy a ps3 too. There is no allegance to microsoft. We just have so much fun that we brag a little sometimes. Don't be so grumpy. Jump in ! ! ! ! !

[achira]

hahaaa you are fool. last year there were only 2 games on the xbox360. wait a year and there will be far more games on the ps3.

[Shadow Flare]

Real Deal, why do you disagree with EVERYTHING i say? I was only freaking naming the games im interested in for the PS3, and you straight away start slating them. I wasn't saying anyhting bad about the xbox or nothing, i was just saying the games i would like to buy for the ps3. Geez real deal my @ss, go stick your head in a pipe and find better things to do

[The Real Deal]

Most games WILL NOT RUN in 1080p due to the drop in frames per second and the hit on the hardware.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

[Jay da 2KBalla]

I find it interesting how several games were running on a 360 and not on a ps3.

[The Real Deal]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

It takes at least a year to make a game with a good game taking several years. Oblivion took 4 years. Only two games are 70% done with a few months to go. Most being at 30 % done. Do the math. How were they even thinking they could launch in the first Quarter 2006? Where they lying to take the thunder from Microsoft? Think about it. It makes no sense. Will it launch in time? Novemember? Or is that another lie? We will see. But whats the most we can expect at launch? 3 games? Will any of the games be good with them rushing to finish them? It should be interesting. i would love to hear what sony fanboys think? Will you be ok if the launch gets pushed back? Will you be ok if you spend 600 plus and there are only a couple games and they are rushed? And how many of yall have a 1080p tv? Did you know most games aren't even going to use the 1080p. Its mainly for movie playback. Did you know this?

[Jay da 2KBalla]

You are absolutely right. Sony was never going to launch in first quarter 2006 and it was simply said to try to take away Microsofts thunder as you said. Its so obvious that they werent going to do it simply because of A. The majority of the games being nowhere near finished and B. final dev kits didnt come out till last month.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

I also find it interesting how Assasins Creed is only 20% and how Warhawk is 30% and these are suppose to be launch titles? hmmm

[The Real Deal]

Do yall sony Fanboys realize what will happen if the ps3 doesn't sell out? Is that why you guys are so edgy and constantly bashing Microsoft? I'm getting a ps3. But I know a lot of people who love sony but can't afford a 600 dollar plus system. They just can't do it. I think sony forgot that a good portion of the 100 million ps2's sold were at the 150 and 200 dollar price. People who love sony actually waited till the price dropped to 200 dollars or less. Those people will never take the plunge to get a ps3. All the people who bought a 300 dollar xbox can and will eventually get a 300 dollar xbox 360. Thats 30 million right there. The sad part is what made sony so successful was the games. Game developers will be very very cautious with sony's stock dropping by 50 percent and the incredible price jump to develope on the ps3 compared to the 360 for no improvement in graphics or gameplay. Thats why most games that are multi platform are made for the 360 and will be ported to the ps3. If the 360 has a 10 million consumer lead before the ps3 launches. Developers WILL flock to get a piece of that market. Remember thats a third of what the xbox did in 5 years. All within a year. Without a price cut yet. Things are looking bleek for sony. I now understand why sony fanboys seem so angry. We here who play the 360 are a happy bunch. We have a next gen system that is affordable and delivering premium performance. Like I have been saying. Why hate. Jump In. See what all the fuss is about. IGN ps3 even recommends sony fans to get a 360 to enjoy some of the exiting exclusive content coming out soon. Sure if you can afford it get a ps3. Just know you are taking a risk just like anyone who buys sony stock. Its not a sure bet like the ps2 was with a low price point and standard dvd player. No one says blu ray sucks. No one says hdmi sucks. We just say why? Why all the added cost with little or no performance gains. But high price gains. Who are they trying to sell this thing to? The high end gamer only? Cause even high end gamers are a little skeptical with no clear winner in the next gen formatt war. Most people don't even have hd tv's yet. Think about it. I have been gaming since gaming first started. I remember the first KIngs quest that was just all text. it ran in Dos. You had to type what to do and then it would tell you what happened. No graphix..just text. I have seen consoles come and go. There is a pattern. Sega dominated for a while then thought they could sell 500 dollars Saturn. That put them in the whole finacially and they never recovered. They had a dream machine with the dreamcast but they had already abandoned there core base and were never forgiven. Thus the failings of the dreamcast. IT wasn't because it couldn't compete graphically or content wise. Sega had ruined its name brand and couldn't financially recover. Sound familiar? Sony thought they were so big that people would spend 600 for a console. They have abandoned their core base. There brand name is loosing stock and interest. History repeats itself. Lets hope Microsoft keeps doing what they are doing. Cause thats the pattern to success that Sony once had.

[achira]

we know you hate sony. can you stop talking all the time crap. its unbelievable. ms busturd.

[FeralPhoenix]

OK first let me say as I have stated before that I favor the 360 overall, but the fact is that Iam a gamer first, therefore I will own a PS3. Now with that said I have a few comments about this article and M$ vs Sony in general. I haven't done any solid research to figure out who copied who when it comes to the Eye Toy or the Vision Camera, but I think its safe to say that Sony had it first(on console) and M$ made an improved version thats basicly similiar to what this "New EyeToy" offers....the point is that neither camera will be the "smoking gun" when it comes to selling systems. Gametime and Shadowflare are obviously pro-Sony which is fine I like to hear different points of views, but when they stray away from logic or just make insults it just sounds like blind Sony fanboy robots that I hear over and over again....in fairness XBox fanboys do the same thing, so its not like they are not provoked, hey we are all here to voice our opinions but making idiotic comments is useless, at least attempt to say something worth reading. I have to agree with the majority of TheRealDeals comments, all bias aside, I think that he made alot of valid points....but from my perspective the thing that frustrates me the most with Sony lately is their business strategy, they seem so arrogant with the way they deal with the consumer, dont get me wrong they make great electronics, but lately it seems like they are basicly saying "hey we're Sony no matter what we do or what it costs everbody will buy it", it seems they want to force Blu-ray on us whether we want it or not...PS3+Blu-ray like it or not....but I understand that it was a business decision but when you start adding in all the things they have said recently and then later it turned out not to be true it starts to feel like they will say anything to out sell the competition even if it doesn't come true...K.Kutaragi should just shut up...he's full of hype....I don't think he really knows what the PS3 is actually capable of, but if it sounds good then he will suggest that it can do it. I understand in business you always talk about your product in terms of greatness because after all they are trying to sell it to the consumers, but he makes some ridiculous comments. M$ has done a much better job when it comes to the consumer, they seem alot more straight forward about their products...right now I don't feel like I can trust anything Sony says, is it going to happen or is hype to draw attention away from 360 and Wii to the PS3? I know that the PS3 will have some great games I want to play, but you have to be a truly blind fanboy to deny that the 360 has some great games and with the lineup due in the near future it just seems like it will have the majority of best games for the next year or so at least.

[kingboy]

ps2 is selling fine that`s all i have to argue about.so what more do u have to say?

[The Real Deal]

Ps2 sales were declining every month this year. 2006. They picked up when they dropped the price to 130 dollars and hopefully it coninue's to see with good games still coming out for it. Gods of war 2, ect. But its not going to dig them out of the whole they have dug for themselves I'm sorry to say. They lost 600 million dollars and they will loose off of every ps3 console for a good while past the launch. There only hope is an unrealistic one. If they actually do sell out of the ps3 console PAST launch. I assume they can sell 2 million worldwide at launch. But it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't. But whether they can continue to sell into 2007 at 600 dollaras a pop is the big question. If they do. They might...just might...be able to dig themselves out of the hole they are in. But all this could have been avoided if they would have left blu ray out of it. Then it would cost 400 like the 360 and then the future would look a lot brighter. Remember, what made sony so popular. Their core base fans. The Walmart shopper, Grandma Sue buying it for her grandchild, ect...NOt happening this time around with 600 dollars and blu ray just gives casual gamers an excuse NOT to get it. "oh, well I don't have a 1080p tv, Oh, well I already have dvd's I don't want nor need blu ray." So Kingboy, No I'm not arguing with you or anyone. I'm a gamer just expressing my opinions and facts on whats going on with the gaming industry today.

[REDMOND BOYZZ]

What is it! with this kid? ps2 is selling fine-ps2 is selling fine-ps2 is selling fine-ps2 is selling fine-ps2 is selling fine. What the fu*k does PS2 have to do with the Next-gen consoles. PS2 will sell fine while the PS3 is been out for a year or two so whats you're point Kingboy?. The Consoles will sell acording to price from cheapest selling the most to the most exspensive selling the least.

[REDMOND BOYZZ]

The camera features
· High-end online camera supports up to VGA 640x480 video at 30 frames per second and takes 1.3-megapixel still photos.
· The camera includes a microphone that connects to the controller, so everyone in the room can chat online with their grandads
· The camera supports built-in video chat and video messaging on Xbox Live.
· Your face can be imported into games (god forbid) and can also be placed next to your name on leader boards for even more recognition, fame or infamy.

I wished Microsoft would'nt come with anymore details about the 360 untill PS3 launches.

[achira]

thats the point. you xrats twist the truth. sony was the first one with eye toy !!! you cant deny that you ... eye toy 2 will be far better as the ms crap. and it is original you..., not like the copy ms made.

[The Real Deal]

I actually thought you wasn't a fanboy and you were a gamer until I read a post on this thread that you just flat out LIED and changed things to make it seem like you have a point. lol...You are just like the other fanboys that convince yourself that Sony is God. lol...let me disect your post and make a few truthful changes.

ps2:

-uses dvds
-had no hard drive (you could actually buy one)
-had crap online (they are building the next gen of their online from the crap online they started with the ps2. Crap is crap. No matter what you do to disguise it.)

ps3:

-uses blu-ray
-uses powerful cell chip (It hasn't shown game power. Just power enough to run blu ray movies. That's from the showing at E3 and developers diaries)
-has 60gb Hard drive (In the premium version not the reg version)
-has FREE "LIVE" like online (like you said...it was crap. And now they updated their crap and they are saying its free. We'll see. No one wants crap. Free or not free. )
-integrates with psp (oh you mean the psp that is not selling and they are loosing money from? Thats cool for who? Psp was a failure by any business standard and now you can brag about using a failed device with your brand you system. Hmmmm)
-has motion controller (Microsoft had that 6 years ago and it was fun for a second but it gets played real fast. Now what the wii is doing is cool for Kids. Its a gimmick for the ps3 at the most)
-has HDMI 1.3 port (thats great for the 1 % of the population who have 1080p tv's. Thats exciting. And its only in the 600 dollar version. )
-allows e-distrubution of games (oh you mean like what microsoft has been doing already? )

xbox:

-introduced online gaming to the masses building a 5 million subscription base of gamers.
-hard drive (the first gaming system to let you rip your own music and play with your games)
-uses dvd (a standard formatt even today.)

360:

-xbox live anywhere ( now taking the great xbox live they started with the xbox and perfecting it with tons of new additions in the dash. Live Arcade which developers are flocking to and lots of free game demos, game add ons, ect. )
-hard drive (uses hard drive but you don't need one to play games. You can buy one when you want or need it thus giving you an option based off of your need)
-uses dvd ( the obvious choice since not even computer games manage to fill a dvd disc and with Microsofts ground breaking xna software and compression techniques...developers won't fill both sides of the dvd9 anytime soon. Maybe by the time the xbox 720 comes out. )

Connects to windows xp and vista when its out

The first to Connect to mp3 players, digital cameras, keyboards, hard drives, anything that uses usb pretty much.

The first multicore system...3 cores running at 3.2 . Truly ground breaking. HIgh end computers just started shipping with 2 cores. 360 has 3 cores.

First system to use a graphics card with embedded dedicated ram. Even computer graphic cards don't do that yet. Developers have been raving about that and now the Wii just implemented it in their system due to the success Microsoft has had with it.

Rumble...lol...never that I would have to add that but when other next gen systems are taking it away...it all of a sudden becomes a hot commodity. lol...

The first to have a next gen motion sensing, face mapping, camera on the market. X vision camera.

The first next gen system to use the new hd formatt in the hd dvd launcing prior to the ps3 launch. So most likely by then it will be the first console to use hdmi if Microsoft see's its a vialbe solution in the market. Which then means the first to display 1080p movies of the next gen consoles.

The first system to make hd a standard for games with full screen AA. Even ps3 doesn't use Full screen AA if I'm not mistaken. From what I have read anyway.

The first system in history to launch with wireless controllers. Even if you buy the core...you can get the wireless controllers at any point and your ready.

3 usb ports 4 wireless controllers. And now at Eb games they sell and Xbox 360 extender which turns your 3 usb ports into 6 usb ports for 19.99.

I can go on and on. But I have to go to church. God Bless and keep it real. I'm the Real Deal. Stop trying to convince yourelf Next Gen isn't here yet. It is and its and unbelievable jump in games, online, and entertainment.

Xbox live silver is free....free game updates,right now 25 free game demos that you can play. Some of games not even out yet. Free chat with gamers, So yes. We have an award winning service thats proven and free as well. And if you want to play games against people on live. It cost 20 cents a day. lol...I think thats a bargain for a proven online gaming community and service. Think about it. And Shadow....stop lying dude. You may fool yourself but you don't fool the many that already have a 360. ALl they have to do is go to xbox.com and they can READ all the major steps foward with xbox 360. Did you forget that?

yeah, my comment was meant to make him look stupid

[achira]

we know that the ps3 is far superior to the xbox360. your advertisment does not change anything !!!

[pRo loGic II]

achira PS3 is not superior matter of fact it's has current generation hardware, the only thing about it that's next-gen is the Blu-ray drive and it does change anything !!!. 360 games will have better AI and better graphics, only if you knew how much is going on in side the 360 while you play.

[TheMART]

Achira

You don't know anything. There are a couple of facts:

1. The PSZero isn't even on the market yet
2. The GPU of the 360 is better then the PSZero one. It has been confirmed by multiple sources
3. The CPU of the PSZero could be slightly ahead in RAW power, BUT numbers don't say it all. It's the combined hardware which will make the difference. The 360 hardware is better overall. The GPU with the 10 MB embedded dedicated RAM will kick the PSZero's *rs.

Just watch it.

And Assassins Creed is on 360 also. No need to buy a PSZero anymore. Or you must like Warhawk...

[Shadow Flare]

I'll tell you why your comments are BS and why they aren't the real deal. I'll pick out a few things you said cos i want you to focus on them.

You said:

PS2-

-had crap online (they are building the next gen of their online from the crap online they started with the ps2. Crap is crap. No matter what you do to disguise it.)

--Actually, they are basing PS3 online around Xbox Live. And you may say a free online system means it'll be crap. Well pc games are free to play online...are they crap?

PS3:

-has 60gb Hard drive (In the premium version not the reg version)

--You fail to mention that both verions of the ps3 come with a hardrive as standerd. Only the $400 version 360 comes with a hard drive. Tough bull

-integrates with psp (oh you mean the psp that is not selling and they are loosing money from? Thats cool for who? Psp was a failure by any business standard and now you can brag about using a failed device with your brand you system. Hmmmm)

--This is where i laugh at you most real deal. The psp a failure? By anyones standerds? haha. Do me a favour and check out this link:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006...

This is by respectable website Joystiq.com

It CLEARLY states that the sales for MAY (Last month!) in the US were as follows:

-PS2 has sold the MOST with 232,000 consoles, and with a 12.1% increase in sales
-Sony PSP has sold 159,659 consoles (that's a failure real deal?) with a 17.1% decrease in sales. Yup, there's a decrease in sales, but wait for the 360...
-Xbox 360 sold 221,000 consoles with a 25% decrease in sales.

And to cap it off with the, lol, xbox one (the console thats supposed to compete with the ps2 haha):

-The Xbox one has sold 26,000 consoles, with a 33.3% decrease

And these are LAST MONTH'S SALES

BAHAHA, so you're comments are supposed to be the REAL DEAL then? You're a REAL idiot

[Shadow Flare]

the title for your comment 96.1 was:

-ps2 sales were declining every month since the 360 launch-

well i guess the link in my previous comment shows the complete opposite haha

in fact i remember seeing a 'US sales' graph which showed 360 sales decreasing more and more since its launch. (And thats despite the 360 being back in stock lol). I cant paste a link to it cos im using my psp, but if you can show me a RESPECTED site which shows a graph for an INCREASE in 360 sales monthly...then show me

[The Real Deal]

I only typed that up because sony fanboys act like there is nothing next gen about the 360 and I had to show just a few reasons to why it is. I see no one commented on all the features the 360 has that no game console or computer has done. lol... Sony Fanboys conveniently leave out things that make 360 unbelievable at a excellent price point. lol...Its because they hate..hate..hate...lol...its funny. I would hate to be a gamer that had so much hate in me. Thats not fun. Get your ps3 and enjoy what it has to offer. That's what we do as 360 gamers. But don't lie and change facts to make a point. Thats what sony fanboys do. I'm here to correct the kiddies and put them in there place. And make sure the Truth prevails. I don't care sony fanboys are so filled with anger that they can't see the obvious. One question achira and any sony fan boy that our there. Why would IGN PS3 tell its readers that if they can they should get the xbox 360 as well as the ps3? Why do they say if they don't they will be missing on on some great content that only the 360 can deliver? Maybe because they are not sony fanboys that are blinded. Maybe because they love games and they just so happen to be editors for ps3 but they won't lie to boost sony up. Dayum I'm good.

[REDMOND BOYZZ]

Username: Alan
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[heihoosilver]

hey man i´m going to buy a ps3 because i always want to be a GOD,because i can make rain,earthquakes,give candies to all the children, and most important to strike a lightning in some people head to see if that person became more normal because is some people in the foolhouses that are not half fool this guy his. This guy realy has to think start a new religion" The Holy God Like Ps3 That Not Burn Your House Even If You Have The Luck That The Cell Processor Works What Its Being Dificult If Not Impossible And Not As Awsome Has Promised But At Least We Can Buy A Ps3 Just To Help Sony Seel 101Millions And Put It Inside A Glass To Admire All It´s Glory.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

Live! Vision looks awesome, sony are going to need to do better.... i have my doubts.

and this is a crappy secret weapon, if thats really what it is supposed to be.

[TheMART]

I know what the secret weapon is!!!

NO RUMBLE!

[REDMOND BOYZZ]

PlayStation 2's increase in sales, which we can only attribute to the release of the mega-selling Kingdom Hearts II or the announced PlayStation 3 price deterring future customers.

[REDMOND BOYZZ]

Never listen to the idiots that compare the lower end of the market to the higher end. Again if you Sony fanboy's have been comparing PS2 to the 360 you're even bigger idiots than i thought. Dev's are still pumping out games like crazzy and the PS2 is cheap as hell, So that's got Dev's thinking 1) PS3 will be too exspensive for the bulk of the base so PS2 will be the dominate Sony console for years to come; And 2) PS3 will be able to play PS2 games So we can make cheap games and don't have to go next-gen and waste time and money because (WE!) lazzy and (CHEAP!). So you have a normal slow period (summer) countered by a rock bottom price for PS2. Nothing special here.

[Shadow Flare]

to be fair, you had some good points i hadnt really thought of before, so ok

what i would say is that yeah, ur right, devs can make more money off the ps2 at the moment, but dev support for ps3 isnt exactly weak dude. And they'll have to move on to ps3 sooner or later

I think thats its more the fact of sonys plan to make a consoles lifespan good for 10 years, and not to just drop it, like ms did with xbox

[The Real Deal]

I guess if thats your cup of tea. I like new and better personally. Technology changes rapidly. Thats why I also love computer gaming. I can always upgrade to the latest greatest. But consoles at most if you like the best ...last 5 years max. Ps2 in my opinion was just horrible...it wasn't in my opinion as good as the dreamcast. And the xbox blew it out the water. So I can't even imagine playing it for 10 years. It didn't last but a month for me. But thats me and my opinion. I'm a gamer. Not a fanboy. I pledge no allegance to any system. If Microsft would have came out with a dud in the 360...I would be pointing that out as well. You just don't get it. lol...

[REDMOND BOYZZ]

Come November December; will be the begining of the greatest battle in video game history and consumers will not be won over by brand loyalty so easy. Games will make or break consoles in the 7th generation.

[The Real Deal]

You took bits and pieces from what I typed to make a point. Ps2 outsold the 360 one month since launch in the usa. Not worldwide sales. 360 is filling demand all over the world in Asia, Australia, Europe, ect...But its now finally getting to a point to where there is a steady flow of 360's at most stores. It was the one month that they saw and increase and not a decrease in the chart you showed..usa only. It was the month that it dropped in price to 130. But you lie and make statements about how its outselling the 360. ONE MONTH. THE PRICE DROP. The ps2 isn't the 360's competition. Its like saying the game boy advance or the psp is the 360's competion. Those all compete in a different market. But you lie to make points that are irrelevant. Then you call people names. How sad. Sony gamers come across so angry and jealous that its sickning. Pray while we PLAY. Next Gen is here and RIGHT NOW 360 is winning the next gen console WAR. Prove me wrong. YOu can't. And thats why you are so angry to the point you call me names.
Fact....
360 has sold 5 million plus thus far in 6 months. So in another six months sales should double especially with more being made and more exclusive content coming out before christmas. So 10 million by the end of the year. So a third of the 30 million they sold last gen.

Fact...
Ps3 has sold 0 units as of now. They aren't even taking pre orders. You know why? Because sony lied once saying it would be released first quarter 2006 and companys know how sony works. They lie to take interest away from the competition. So who knows if it will actually be on the market in November. Games are only 20 to 30 percent done with a few months to go.

Fact... 360 has the highest game to console attatch ratio EVER. For any video game console.

Fact... For some reason it angers some sony fans that 360 is selling at a steady rate. Even at 400 a pop...and their ps3 is getting a lot of bad press. Games not running in 1080p as promised. Games not close to completion, No rumble....Copying everyone but charging more for the same features.

Sony fans. Why are you so angry? lol...Its funny...I don't think you realize how all the name calling and xbox 360 bashing...how it makes yall look. It is what it is. Jealous, envious, and upset.
Jump In...

[Aflac]

The Real Deal's so called advertisement is only based on proven facts and u know it (unless u are somehow oblivious to wat MS has done).

[Aflac]

u bash me and others by trying to say we're fanboys (ya, some of us are, so what), and u have the nerve to try and say you're not?! Every post u make is childish and fanboyish. And then u even go to criticize our comments, as if only our comments are stupid, while you must be always right, and a perfect little angel.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Exactly nathaniel.

[The Real Deal]

I am a FAN of gaming. Sony fans think if you don't like sony's business tactics or if you don't like what they have done with the hardware this time around...You must be a fanboy of another system. Wrong. I loved the original playstation. I did not like the ps2. I liked the original xbox. I love the 360. Its not my fault that sony has let me down and many others. I will not show blind allegance. That would make me a fanboy. I see things for what they are. I play games. I buy every system. SO who is the fanboy? Who resorts to name calling? Who blindly follows the lies that sony puts out and ignores what developers are saying and spec comparissons show? Think about it.
Jump IN...

[The Real Deal]

If you want HD gaming with a proven online componant in xbox Live Anywhere...choose the xbox 360
P.S. many can copy Microsofts live companant but Microsoft is the king of software and xbox live wasn't developed over night. Years of planning and experience have went into it.

If you want motion sensing in your controller for interactive fun...Choose the Wii.. They made the Wii with this as an intrical part of the system. Games will be made for this and if thats what you are looking for get the Wii.

If you are looking for blu ray playback...get the Ps3. It will be 400 dollars cheaper than the blu ray players on the market. Ps2's dvd playback was horrible compared to a stand alone dvd player but for 400 dollars less if you must have blu ray and you are on a budget...you can't go wrong. Don't expect their online componant to compete with the award winning xbox live. And don't expect the motion sensing controller to compete with the Wii. As the Wii was made with that as a primary focus not a throw in at the last minute. And as for HD gaming. 360 was built from ground up with 3 cores and embedded ram...and 5 times the amount of ram for hd gaming as a primary focus. Ps3 was developed with one processor with 7 dsp's which is ideal for blu ray playback but not for gaming as only 256k of ram can be allocated at any given moment with the ps3. Developers can work around it but its expensive and its a chore to say the least.

Now go buy the system that fits your interest and have fun. Jump in.

[The Real Deal]

Like I said the 130 dollar ps2 beats the 400 dollar xbox360 One month In the usa only. Sony fans keep bringing up the one month stat. Well here is your homework Sony Fanboys. If ps2 sold 232,000 at 130 dollars a piece. How much money is that?
Now with the xbox 360 selling 221,000 at 400 dollars a pop..How much money is that?
Now here is the second part to your homework that will force you to eat your words. If the ps2 had an increase of 12% from the previous month...how much did they sell the previous month?
Now if the 360 had a decrease of 25% from the previous month how much did the 360 sell the previous month?
Now who sold more the previous month? lol...hmmmm....wow....hmmmm... lol....I took your one month USA sales link and slapped you in the face with it. I'm the Real Deal. I'm well educated and I am a gamer not a fanboy. So I don't give facts that only help my cause like you do. Like I said before. The increase in ps2 sales for that ONE month in the USA was because of the price drop. Thats the intention of a price drop. The decrease in sales for the 360 for that one month in the USA only was due to production of 360's not meeting demand and 360's being allocated world wide not just in the usa. Microsoft is trying to build a steady lead in more than one market. Excluding Japan. Wii is going to have that market on LOck and Key. Now here is the stats from the link you provided. Now do your homework and make sure you research and speak the truth when you attempt to debate the real deal. I pledge no blind allegance to any company. I just love games. Do you?

The hardware sales for US consoles has been released, here's how it broke down, in terms of total unit sales and difference (in percentage) from April:
PlayStation 2: 232,000 ( 12.1%)
Sony PSP: 159,659 ( 17.1%)
Nintendo DS: 145,930 ( 5.4%)
Xbox 360: 221,000 ( 25%)
GameCube: 33,000 ( 13.2%)
Xbox One: 26,000 ( 33.3%)

[THE TRUTH]

here is some recent post from the so called REAL DEAL in response to some of my opinions. Just wanted to give everyone a chance to see his ignorance..........

There you go. Too late for a hdmi adapter? lol... the hd dvd ad on releases September. Two months before the ps3 is suppose to launch. And did you know only 2 games are confirmed to possibly use 1080p and those are still up in the air. You will take the plunge. I will too. We are the very small few that will. Which will hurt me and you in the end because developers aren't going to get much reward for spending more money and having a small user base. Thats been my point. Thats where I think Sony messed up. They are making a system for the elite small few and not the masses. When you do that you turn off developers because developers want to know the user base is enough for them to actually make their money back and make a profit. I know you understand that. If the ps3 would have came out at 400 dollars...the next gen war would be a little more interesting. But Sony is forgetting who made them number 1 the last two generations. The average Joe gamer who is on a budget and uses their ps2 as a dvd player for their collection of dvd's. And you should care if other people buy it. Because if you are the ONLY person to buy it. Don't expect many games to come out for it. The bigger the user base. Developers flock to it. Small elitest user base means developers shy away from it. Its the ways of the gaming industry. Why are you so worried about if Assassins creed is coming to the 360? Whats the problem? If it is "great for 360 fans" Right? If you aren't getting a 360...don't worry about it right? You have choices. You don't have to wait for over a year to get next gen games. You can get them now. Jump In. See what all the hype is about. Us 360 users are just a happy bunch of gamers. Thus the 5 games per console sold ratio. By the way thats the highest in any consoles history. I'm not biased. I love games. Pc games, 360 games, ect. I have a ps2 and I was very very dissapointed. I will get a ps3. We'll see how it does. I just think this time they kicked themselves in the butt. But come Nov. If it doesn't get pushed back. Remember it was suppose to come out first quarter 2006. Remember. Remember ps3 and xbox 360 was basically done with specs and all E3 2005. 360 came out first because they used proven gaming hardware while sony is using unproven experimental blu ray and cell hardware. Thats why they came out different times. thats why ps3 got pushed back and who knows if Nov will happen. I hope so.
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19 - sumnaztee
The Real Deal - 19 Hours ago
Here is how me and you are different. You pledge allegence to SONY. I pledge allegence to GAMES. I don't say Mcdonalds is the best so I'm never eating burger king or Wendy's food. Burger king sucks. Wendy's sucks. I'm the guy that tries it all and enjoys what different places have to offer. I like Burger Kings Onion rings. But I like Mcdonalds fries. I like Wendy's burgers. I enjoy all 3 for different reasons. Thats how I look at gaming. I just love games. But for some reason SONY fans seem to be close minded and limit themselves from having fun and enjoying whats out there. And thats sad to me. Sony fans who Pledge Allegance to sony miss out on a lot of fantastic gaming. Even IGN ps3 says that they recommend any sony fan on getting an xbox 360 and a ps3 if they can. Because if you just get a ps3 you will be missing out on some unbelievalbe exclusive content. As you get older you realize that life is better when you open your mind and experience all that life has to offer if you can. If you can't afford it and you love Sony. Then get the ps3. But Most Gamers/editors agree that you miss out on some special things if you don't get the 360. Sony wants to be the only gaming platform. Its not good for gamers for that to happen. Because competition is good for us...The Gamers. Think about it.
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Here is my response,

Do you have any sources to confirm ANY of your OUTRAGEOUS claims?

And did you know only 2 games are confirmed to possibly use 1080p and those are still up in the air.

Why are you so worried about if Assassins creed is coming to the 360? Whats the problem? If it is "great for 360 fans" Right? If you aren't getting a 360...don't worry about it right? You have choices.

--I own a 360 gamertag= sumtynnaztee---

Thus the 5 games per console sold ratio. By the way thats the highest in any consoles history.

I'm not biased. I love games. Pc games, 360 games, ect. I have a ps2 and I was very very dissapointed.

--I thought you were "THE REAL DEAL"---

Remember. Remember ps3 and xbox 360 was basically done with specs and all E3 2005.

E3 is a great game show, but I have no idea why you take it soooo damn seriously. E3 is a great display of future games but things in this industry change so radpidly that I wouldn't base everything in gaming around it. Just wait til TGS then we will see how far Sony has come.

You pledge allegence to SONY. I pledge allegence to GAMES.

--wrong again, I own a 360 and I'm not happy with it, as a customer I have the right to voice my feelings about it any way I see fit.--

But for some reason SONY fans seem to be close minded and limit themselves from having fun and enjoying whats out there. And thats sad to me. Sony fans who Pledge Allegance to sony miss out on a lot of fantastic gaming.

I love games, you need to quit labeling me, because you don't know sh%t about me!!!! You need to look in the mirror before you call anyone a fanboy, more importantly why do you say Sony fans are this and that, but 360 Fans are so heavenly, get a grip man no one is believeing that BS!

Even IGN ps3 says that they recommend any sony fan on getting an xbox 360 and a ps3 if they can. Because if you just get a ps3 you will be missing out on some unbelievalbe exclusive content

---SOURCES PLEASE---- that statment could go boths ways, and I thought you loved games... hmmmmmm.... sounds like a fanboy statment to me....

As you get older you realize that life is better when you open your mind and experience all that life has to offer if you can.

Who are you trying to lecture? I'm 24 years old and I own my own truck driving buisness, been in the army for 4 years including a year in iraq. I think I know enough about life to make sound jugdements and make solid opinions. Your post are starting to piss me off man.

But Most Gamers/editors agree that you miss out on some special things if you don't get the 360. Sony wants to be the only gaming platform. Its not good for gamers for that to happen. Because competition is good for us...The Gamers. Think about it.

Ummm M$ wants the same, and all gamers know that only one console platform would be the end of gaming. Your sound like sone dame M$ spokesman are you on M$'s payroll or something?
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THE REAL DEAL I personally think your are fake, say what you want about how you feel but you are a M$ fanboy. Say what you will but that's a fact

[The Real Deal]

I have a link for EVERYTHING I CLAIM. Use your mouse and click on my name. Then follow my posts and you will find many many links from IGN Ps3 and many other sources. Anyone who has been following my posts know that I always have a link. Unless I am repeating myself to noobs.

If you really do have an xbox 360 send me a message at my live screen name Kobebryantlaker I would love to see what games you have played. You know with xbox live you can check out what games people have played and how far they have gotten in the games. Its pretty cool.
And to be honest with you. I don't believe you are 24 yrs old. I don't believe you own your own business, I don't believe you have an xbox 360. I could be wrong. I just don't believe it. You come across as a sony fanboy and you never have links. Just my observation.
So do your homework...follow my posts...follow my links...and then come talk to me.
If it seems like I love Microsoft...well, Me and MOST others who have an xbox 360 are in love with the experience they have provided for us as gamers into the next gen.
If it seems like I have a problem with Sony. Well, I do. I, unlike you, Don't like to be lied to over and over again. And I can give you links to all the lies sony has told since the launch of the ps2. I enjoyed the original playstaion.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

You wanted sources. heres the link:

http://ps3.ign.com/mail/200...

See what it says under xbox exclusivity.

[The Real Deal]

There you have it. Can you shut up now please? I'm the Real Deal. I back everthing I say. I'm sorry Sony is getting a bad name but they did it to themselves. You can stand by them and pray while we play. This is directly from the editor at IGN Ps3. By the way this is just one quote. If you follow my links like I told you...you will find many other links where IGN ps3 RAVES about the 360...lol...Gamers Unite....lol...lol....lol

First let me say that if you're not getting an Xbox 360 ever, you could be doing yourself a great disservice. For a guy who seems to be in the market for RPGs, you're avoiding some really promising ones. The two exclusive titles you named are obviously very interesting, for example, with others like Mass Effect and BioShock getting me excited about my system again (and let us not forget about the already-released Oblivion).

[THE TRUTH]

If you really do have an xbox 360 send me a message at my live screen name Kobebryantlaker I would love to see what games you have played. You know with xbox live you can check out what games people have played and how far they have gotten in the games. Its pretty cool.
And to be honest with you. I don't believe you are 24 yrs old. I don't believe you own your own business, I don't believe you have an xbox 360. I could be wrong. I just don't believe it. You come across as a sony fanboy and you never have links. Just my observation

I could careless WHAT you believe about me. My gamertag is sumtynnaztee if you wanna look it up. It's been at least 2 months since I have been on live. I don't like the games I have online and that's the truth. I own Nba live GRAW and FNR3. Your observation is based on nothing but your hopes that I am not who I say I am. Thats ok becuase it's your beliefs so do with your closed mind as you will.

I have a link for EVERYTHING I CLAIM. Use your mouse and click on my name. Then follow my posts and you will find many many links from IGN Ps3 and many other sources. Anyone who has been following my posts know that I always have a link. Unless I am repeating myself to
noobs.

where is your link for the following....

*And did you know only 2 games are confirmed to possibly use 1080p and those are still up in the air. You will take the plunge

*Thus the 5 games per console sold ratio. By the way thats the highest in any consoles history.

*But for some reason SONY fans seem to be close minded and limit themselves from having fun and enjoying whats out there. And thats sad to me. Sony fans who Pledge Allegance to sony miss out on a lot of fantastic gaming.

*But Most Gamers/editors agree that you miss out on some special things if you don't get the 360. **btw most means +51%**

show me you ain't fake and thet your not a "fanboy" like you claim.

well, Me and MOST others who have an xbox 360 are in love with the experience they have provided for us as gamers into the next gen.

prove that MOST of you truly believe it. I don't think what you are saying is THE REAL DEAL, you don't even know 10% of 360 owners.

*So do your homework...follow my posts...follow my links...and then come talk to me.

why would I need to do homework to give my opinions about a console I own? That makes no sense at all...... I don't HAVE to be happy with my purchase and you can't tell me o give me enough links to see that the 360 is not the console you say it is.

**If it seems like I have a problem with Sony. Well, I do. I, unlike you, Don't like to be lied to over and over again. And I can give you links to all the lies sony has told since the launch of the ps2. I enjoyed the original playstaion.

ALL these companies tell lies man, I thought you were THE REAL DEAL. I'd rather you give me links that PROVE M$ has never lied... Let's see just how "real" you are now.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

No problem real deal. I check out ign alot so I already knew what you were talking about.

Also to clarify that statement is directly from the editor in chief on ign ps3.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

All your posts are complete and utter bull. I'm not going to even go out of my way to respond to all the bs you said in your previosu posts for while I make comments that actually make sense and contribute to an intelligent conversation you make childish immature posts. If I agree with someone its because its true or a good point and if it happens to be negative towards sony and make u cry o well. Grow up. You may continue with your immature, fanboy, lame ass posts. All your jokes are lame. Notice that I am not the only person who responds to your posts and tell you how wrong you are and just because someone disagrees with you doesnt make them a fanboy. You named several people that you think are fanboys but after ssj and all his alias(gametime, sonyisgod etc.) you are the biggest fanboy. So go ahead and continue to you make yourself look like an ass. And if you want to have an intelligent discussion then come at me and let me know whats up otherwise I will simply ignore you.
PS- You are an asshole.

[The Real Deal]

I Just don't get it. There is something wrong with these boys. lol...all the name calling. All the lies to back their claims. They take quotes out of context to make points that have no points. And they have so much hate and anger towards anyone who is not happy with Sony. Who hasn't owned a sony at one point in their lives? So most of us that love Microsoft have at one point owned a sony somthing station. And we weren't happy so now we are happy with Microsoft. Its never the other way around.
"I owned an xbox and it sucked. So then I bought a ps2 and man is it great."
lol...its not even possible. Why is that? hmmmmm....then you have jokers who say "yeah...uh,...I got a 360 and it sucks, yeah...um...it sucks..." lol....I have never heard that one before. You Sony Fanboys either A. are little kids or B. are grown men who act like little kids...lol...but we can tell when yu are lying and Jay is right. You end up looking like an ass.

[The Real Deal]

By the way. You act like most of my comments were directed at you. Some were as an answer to your posts. But many were for many of the sony fanboys who make bogus claims and lie frequently. Now if you feel like it pertained to you...then "if the shoe fits" but I don't think about you when I post. I think about the Truth. And I back it all up. Its not wise to debate with the Real Deal. I have a tendancy to throw facts atcha and have fanboys stuck on stupid. To the point that they start saying stuff like " you must work for Microsoft"...lol..." this guy knows too much"....Find someone your own size to lie on and take quotes out of context. I WILL prove you wrong if you LIE on me again. Nice TRY. I haven't recieved a text from you yet on xbox live. Whassup? Do you really have an xbox 360? You don't have to lie to kick it. And I have one last question for you. If you are not happy with your xbox 360 why don't you just return it? And why do you have supposively have an xbox live account? Seems like you would have cancelled it if you were unhappy. And if you have one and you say you cna't take it back cause its past the time of return. I will buy it from you. I could always use a 7th 360. Then you can use the money for your ps3 launch. I'm for real. I'm a nice guy. I wouldn't want you to feel like you were stuck with it if you truly don't like it. Send me a message on xbox live KobebryantLaker We can talk and make this happen.

[The Real Deal]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles... http://ps3.ign.com/articles... http://xbox360.ign.com/arti... http://ps3.ign.com/mail/200... http://blogs.guardian.co.uk... http://arstechnica.com/arti...
Can you please shut the hell up now. lol...Sony fanboys have some major issues. If you still need more links...follow my trail of post. Everyone knows I have links for everything I state. And "no" I'm not a microsoft employee...I'm a gamer. So tell me. What new updates did you notice with spring update? lol.... And I had 2 ps2's, 4 computers, 4 xbox's, 6 xbox 360's, and i will get one ps3. So....that makes me a what now? Repeat after me kiddies...."Gamer".. . Thats why I'm the real deal. I don't just buy sony and then say everything thats not sony sucks. I buy everything and give my thoughts on things I have actually purchased and played. Why? Because I love games. You kiddies are just silly. For those who enjoy my opinions, and thoughts, and facts..."I make it do what it do" For those who have hate in their eyes and can't see anything thats not SONY. As IGN ps3 would say "you are limiting yourself and missing out on some excellent content". And sumnaztee...if you really do have a 360 which I doubt...if you aren't happy with it...you are in for a real treat when the ps3 launches and you pay 600 and get that baby home. lol...I can here it now. "Oh, my gosh...SONY SUCKS...the PS3 is horrible. I can't believe I fell for the hype. I shouldn't have traded in my 360. " lol... Jump in. And I hope Gametime has something to say. He is clearly a bothered little boy.

[THE TRUTH]

113 - sumnaztee
The Real Deal - 1 Hour ago
By the way. You act like most of my comments were directed at you.

proof...... hmmmmm

***If you really do have an xbox 360 send me a message at my live screen name Kobebryantlaker I would love to see what games you have played. You know with xbox live you can check out what games people have played and how far they have gotten in the games. Its pretty cool.
And to be honest with you. I don't believe you are 24 yrs old. I don't believe you own your own business, I don't believe you have an xbox 360. I could be wrong. I just don't believe it. You come across as a sony fanboy and you never have links. Just my observation.

***And I back it all up. Its not wise to debate with the Real Deal.

No it's not wise to debate with sumnaztee. I gave you my gamertag so look it up "if" you choose to not believe me. I don't go out of my way to prove I own a 360 for anyone.

***I'm a gamer. So tell me. What new updates did you notice with spring update? lol.... And I had 2 ps2's, 4 computers, 4 xbox's, 6 xbox 360's, and i will get one ps3. So....that makes me a what now? Repeat after me kiddies...."Gamer"..

How does the fact that you own 6!! I SAY AGAIN 6 360's make you a gamer? How does what you own make you a gamer? Why do you feel the need to prove you are a gamer to people you have never met? Why do you swear alligance to M$ when you gain no profit from it? Explain to me why you feel the need to try and "prove" me wrong? Look in the mirror REAL DEAL and when Sony does win this Generation don't dissappear from the forums.

**Thats why I'm the real deal. I don't just buy sony and then say everything thats not sony sucks. I buy everything and give my thoughts on things I have actually purchased and played.

Then why do you feel that what I am saying is any differnt. I own a 360 and I am not happy with it and I have a right to voice my opinion. Don't hate on me because I have a different opinion. Come to think about it, That is exactly what you are doing REAL DEAL hating on me because I have a different opinion of the 360 and M$.

**What kind of tv do you have your 360 hooked up to?

samsung big screen HDTV 1080p

**And nba live sucked. Nba 2k6 was much better if you like basketball games. You should have tried the demo first of nba live before you bought it.

Thanks for the so called advice, but I did try the demo and I liked it, I don't think it was wroth 60$ but I'm not a fan of NBA2k's. When my brother and friends come over to my house we like to play NBA Live and FNR3. (we are sports fans)

***But that goes for ps3 games as well. If you don't have an hd tv you will be disappointed in any of the next gen platforms. But even if you don't have an hd tv the content you can get on xbox live is pretty cool. But I'm talking to you like you actually own a 360. I got a friends request from a couple people from this site but not from you yet.

I have 3 HDTV's in my house, I don't even see why you are trying to preach to the choir. I know all about what is needed to fully experience my 360 and future PS3. Why do you what me to send you my gametag, I don't want to agrue what's better with you over XBL. I rarely even use XBL anymore since I play games with my family and friends all the time. I like to see their reaction when I knock them out or hit that 3 in their face, while enjoying some a chilled bottle of crown royal or drinking some beers.

I'm glad the links got you to shut the hell up. Thats why they call me the Real Deal. If anyone else wants it. I got it to give. I'll put the paddle away for now. lol

**** Seriously man do you really think I'm sitting in front of my computer all day long? I come here every so often but not all damn day. You will never be the reason to shut anyone up. Do you think your the MJ of this site or something... ROFLMAO THIS IS A SITE ABOUT GAMING NEWS PLEASE GET OVER YOURSELF!!!!!

***121 - Jump in
The Real Deal - 20 Minutes ago
I'm a fan of great games. Jump in and be a witness to the next generation of gaming. Or continue to enjoy your ps2 and pray for your ps3. Gametime? What's your thoughts on Sony loosing 600 million dollars this last quarter?
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gametime - 16 Minutes ago
Whats your thoughts on MS loosing 4 billion dollars with the last gen xbox and soon last/next gen xbox 1.5
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122.1 - lol...thats exactly how I thought you would answer.
The Real Deal - 13 Minutes ago
Just like an 8 yr old. Go to bed kiddy before I tell your mommy. Don't make me get the paddle out and do you like I did sumnaztee. lol....
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WOW I guess you can say you have some homosexual traits too. "Don't make me get the paddle out and do you like I did sumnaztee. lol...." Wanting to paddle a 24 year old grown a$$ man. That's sick, you ain't no gamer man your a girlie man. Why didn't you answer the man though REAL DEAL.... "Whats your thoughts on MS loosing 4 billion dollars with the last gen xbox and soon last/next gen xbox 1.5"
Answer him and stop avoiding the question. Stop calling people kiddies like your so grown up, I don't see why/how you got this BIG HEAD about yourself or your reply's it must be JA DA BALLER with his nuthugging relpy's to your every post. such as........

45.1 -
jay da xbox baller - 23 Jun 2006 15:55
Exactly
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or....

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jay da xbox baller - 23 Jun 2006 17:52
Both of you guys are correct. Good posts.
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how about....

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jay da xbox baller - 23 Jun 2006 17:56
I think your right. Sony is seriously screwed.
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don't forget about ......

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jay da xbox baller - 24 Jun 2006 03:29
A real deal nice posts and I like how you make these sony fanboys (gametime, shadow) look stupid. Normally I have to do it all the time lol.
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also....

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jay da xbox baller - 24 Jun 2006 16:54
Exactly pro logic
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hmmmm does anyone else see a trend............

5. jay da xbox baller 213 posts...........

[shoota33]

Know I see you are nothing more than an extream MS fanboy I mean who buys 6 xbox 1.5's

[COVER GIRL]

The same can be said about you, how many PS2's did you buy sence launch lol, at least he's buying 360's because he likes them and not because they're broke.

[The Real Deal]

Its just fun. And I have converted SONY die hards all the time. Guys that would swear by sony. They come over and see and play the 360 and are blown away. I have even converted hardcore pc gamers. Guys that swear their Geforce 7900 is the best thing going. Then I show them games like perfect dark in 1280 by 720 on my 61 inch Samsung DLP with dolby digital surround sound that rumbles my house and they are like..." Dayum I didn't know" Thats real. Or oblivion running at 1920 by 1080. The computer version doesn't even have a setting that high. 1200 by 1600 is the max for oblivion if I'm not mistaken. And you have to have a cutting edge machine to push that. Meanwhile for 300 dollars I can have better. Its hard to explain but you can see the difference. I think its the hdr graphics the 360 pushes. But computers graphics look sharp but the 360 graphics look sharp and smooth and life like. But really I enjoy the surround sound in the games and they way you feel like you are in the game. Example...Call of duty looks much better on the 360 in 1920 by 1080 than the computer version. The smoke effects are unreal on the 360 and the hdr textures are life like compared to the computer version. I think its because they can maximize everything and take advantage of 3 cores and a custom graphics card with hdr and full screen AA. But whatever it is ... When people come to my house they are blown away and they are believers and no longer wait for the next best thing. When little did they know...Its already here. Jump in. Thats why I say that.

[COVER GIRL]

Read post 77 and 78 they sum it up. sumnaztee sell you're friggin 360 if you hate the games and buy a PS2 because PS3 won't have sh!t for games.

[shoota33]

yeah i know ps3 sucks so bad everyone want one.
xbox 1.5 games are so good there are pyramids of 1.5's in the store.xbox is so good it could not even outsell ps2 which is six years old.

[COVER GIRL]

gametime everbody wan'ts a PS3 because thats what they've always done Sony's hype turned PS in to a statis symbol it won't matter if PS3 is twice as weak and breaks down through out it's life time, people are brand loyal to Sony. PS3 won't be as powerful as the 360 but Sony is betting that if they say it is, it will be! in all you're heads. Thats how Sony works their master Bullshiters and very good at it.lol

[The Real Deal]

What kind of tv do you have your 360 hooked up to? And nba live sucked. Nba 2k6 was much better if you like basketball games. You should have tried the demo first of nba live before you bought it. Thats what xbox live is for. Play games before you buy them or even before they are released. GRAW is a cool game and FNR3 is good too. But both of those have to be played on an hd tv to really appreciate them. But that goes for ps3 games as well. If you don't have an hd tv you will be disappointed in any of the next gen platforms. But even if you don't have an hd tv the content you can get on xbox live is pretty cool. But I'm talking to you like you actually own a 360. I got a friends request from a couple people from this site but not from you yet. Did you pay your cable bill? Can you even get online? lol...just messing with you. Gamers Unite. lol....Jump In.

[The Real Deal]

All his post he says the same things over and over. "xbox 1.5 sucks...there are piles or pyramids at the stores and nobody wants it. It can't even outsell the ps2. "
lol...this kid is a joke. its funny. I don't even think he reads. I just think he just copies and pastes the same thing over and over again. lol...its kind of funny. lol...

[shoota33]

Yeah i know im turning 9 next year.Yhe Real deal just quit it you are a MS fanboy Period.I mean stop advertising xbox on ps3's site you keep writing "Jump In" are you a MS employee or something?

[The Real Deal]

I'm glad the links got you to shut the hell up. Thats why they call me the Real Deal. If anyone else wants it. I got it to give. I'll put the paddle away for now. lol...

[The Real Deal]

I'm a fan of great games. Jump in and be a witness to the next generation of gaming. Or continue to enjoy your ps2 and pray for your ps3. Gametime? What's your thoughts on Sony loosing 600 million dollars this last quarter?

[shoota33]

Whats your thoughts on MS loosing 4 billion dollars with the last gen xbox and soon last/next gen xbox 1.5

[The Real Deal]

Just like an 8 yr old. Go to bed kiddy before I tell your mommy. Don't make me get the paddle out and do you like I did sumnaztee. lol....

[COVER GIRL]

Let me put it in a way you understand. It's like in school, when you have the cool kids that are popular and everybody likes them but they suck and treat people like dirt and are really mean and not as cool as they say they are. And lets say the a new kid comes to that school and he's cooler and a better person but because he's the new kid everybody gives him a hard time. Have you seen Spider Man just think of the 360 as Peter Parker lol. You're to young to care about this stuff go play out side.

[Aflac]

his mom probly beats him with ken kuturagi as the "beating stick". this probly explains the similarities in brain damage that he and kuturagi display.

[Aflac]

For the millionth effing time:
Why do u see 360s on shelves?
Answer: a lot of ppl are unaware of the fact that the 360 is being shipped to stores (in small #s, generally 4-8) on a more frequent basis (by the time the sell out, more come in anyway, DUH!!!)

Honestly, why do U bother posting that the ps2 is outselling the 360 wen u know the true reason why is not wat u want it to be?!

The reasons I have posted were only the truth and u know it, and thers nothing u can do about it. Cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it!

[Jay da 2KBalla]

What are your thoughts on the possibilities of sony going bankrupt due to already losing 600 million dollars in the first half of 2006 alone and losing 300-400 per console?

[COVER GIRL]

Is achira real young to?.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Probably

[Aflac]

or he's just under the influence of drugs

[THE TRUTH]

113 - sumnaztee
The Real Deal - 1 Hour ago
By the way. You act like most of my comments were directed at you.

proof...... hmmmmm

***If you really do have an xbox 360 send me a message at my live screen name Kobebryantlaker I would love to see what games you have played. You know with xbox live you can check out what games people have played and how far they have gotten in the games. Its pretty cool.
And to be honest with you. I don't believe you are 24 yrs old. I don't believe you own your own business, I don't believe you have an xbox 360. I could be wrong. I just don't believe it. You come across as a sony fanboy and you never have links. Just my observation.

***And I back it all up. Its not wise to debate with the Real Deal.

No it's not wise to debate with sumnaztee. I gave you my gamertag so look it up "if" you choose to not believe me. I don't go out of my way to prove I own a 360 for anyone.

***I'm a gamer. So tell me. What new updates did you notice with spring update? lol.... And I had 2 ps2's, 4 computers, 4 xbox's, 6 xbox 360's, and i will get one ps3. So....that makes me a what now? Repeat after me kiddies...."Gamer"..

How does the fact that you own 6!! I SAY AGAIN 6 360's make you a gamer? How does what you own make you a gamer? Why do you feel the need to prove you are a gamer to people you have never met? Why do you swear alligance to M$ when you gain no profit from it? Explain to me why you feel the need to try and "prove" me wrong? Look in the mirror REAL DEAL and when Sony does win this Generation don't dissappear from the forums.

**Thats why I'm the real deal. I don't just buy sony and then say everything thats not sony sucks. I buy everything and give my thoughts on things I have actually purchased and played.

Then why do you feel that what I am saying is any differnt. I own a 360 and I am not happy with it and I have a right to voice my opinion. Don't hate on me because I have a different opinion. Come to think about it, That is exactly what you are doing REAL DEAL hating on me because I have a different opinion of the 360 and M$.

**What kind of tv do you have your 360 hooked up to?

samsung big screen HDTV 1080p

**And nba live sucked. Nba 2k6 was much better if you like basketball games. You should have tried the demo first of nba live before you bought it.

Thanks for the so called advice, but I did try the demo and I liked it, I don't think it was wroth 60$ but I'm not a fan of NBA2k's. When my brother and friends come over to my house we like to play NBA Live and FNR3. (we are sports fans)

***But that goes for ps3 games as well. If you don't have an hd tv you will be disappointed in any of the next gen platforms. But even if you don't have an hd tv the content you can get on xbox live is pretty cool. But I'm talking to you like you actually own a 360. I got a friends request from a couple people from this site but not from you yet.

I have 3 HDTV's in my house, I don't even see why you are trying to preach to the choir. I know all about what is needed to fully experience my 360 and future PS3. Why do you what me to send you my gametag, I don't want to agrue what's better with you over XBL. I rarely even use XBL anymore since I play games with my family and friends all the time. I like to see their reaction when I knock them out or hit that 3 in their face, while enjoying some a chilled bottle of crown royal or drinking some beers.

I'm glad the links got you to shut the hell up. Thats why they call me the Real Deal. If anyone else wants it. I got it to give. I'll put the paddle away for now. lol

**** Seriously man do you really think I'm sitting in front of my computer all day long? I come here every so often but not all damn day. You will never be the reason to shut anyone up. Do you think your the MJ of this site or something... ROFLMAO THIS IS A SITE ABOUT GAMING NEWS PLEASE GET OVER YOURSELF!!!!!

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The Real Deal - 20 Minutes ago
I'm a fan of great games. Jump in and be a witness to the next generation of gaming. Or continue to enjoy your ps2 and pray for your ps3. Gametime? What's your thoughts on Sony loosing 600 million dollars this last quarter?
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gametime - 16 Minutes ago
Whats your thoughts on MS loosing 4 billion dollars with the last gen xbox and soon last/next gen xbox 1.5
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122.1 - lol...thats exactly how I thought you would answer.
The Real Deal - 13 Minutes ago
Just like an 8 yr old. Go to bed kiddy before I tell your mommy. Don't make me get the paddle out and do you like I did sumnaztee. lol....
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WOW I guess you can say you have some homosexual traits too. "Don't make me get the paddle out and do you like I did sumnaztee. lol...." Wanting to paddle a 24 year old grown a$$ man. That's sick, you ain't no gamer man your a girlie man. Why didn't you answer the man though REAL DEAL.... "Whats your thoughts on MS loosing 4 billion dollars with the last gen xbox and soon last/next gen xbox 1.5"
Answer him and stop avoiding the question. Stop calling people kiddies like your so grown up, I don't see why/how you got this BIG HEAD about yourself or your reply's it must be JA DA BALLER with his nuthugging relpy's to your every post. such as........

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jay da xbox baller - 23 Jun 2006 15:55
Exactly
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or....

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jay da xbox baller - 23 Jun 2006 17:52
Both of you guys are correct. Good posts.
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how about....

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jay da xbox baller - 23 Jun 2006 17:56
I think your right. Sony is seriously screwed.
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don't forget about ......

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jay da xbox baller - 24 Jun 2006 03:29
A real deal nice posts and I like how you make these sony fanboys (gametime, shadow) look stupid. Normally I have to do it all the time lol.
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also....

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jay da xbox baller - 24 Jun 2006 16:54
Exactly pro logic
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hmmmm does anyone else see a trend............

5. jay da xbox baller 213 posts...........

[The Real Deal]

All I have to say is "I don't believe you" "I see you left alone your previous arguments about me giving you links. I did that and now you want to talk about things that don't matter. And you want to resort to what the rest of the SONY Fan boys do and start calling people names. How sad. Your age has been diplayed in your obvious frustration with being spanked on the net. Yes...Spanked. You contradict yourself. You bought it because you tried the demo and liked it. Hmmm...you liked it. But you dont' like it. Which is it? lol...you like it or you don't? Your a sad little boy. And as long as you text your nonesense on this board I will spank you time and time again. Untill you submit or until people can read your post and see you for who you are. A sony fanboy frustrated at what sony is doing and taking it out on us happy gamers. I brag about what I have so people understand who you are dealing with. An arrogant confident New Yorker. A gamer. I'm not talking about games with bias to one company. I own every system and plan on getting a ps3. Why? Because I can. So why do I talk so highly about microsoft? Well, because I love games and I enjoy what they have delievered to the market. Will the ps3 suck? I have no clue. I'm just not excited about it. I got excited about the ps2 and was let down in a major way. It never lived up to the hype. I have read many things about the ps3 and I have the wait and see approach. But I do know that 360 is out now and it takes a lot to impress me. Like I said. I have every gaming platform. I have 4 top of the line computers maxed out. So to impress me isn't easy. 360 has done that for me. So thats what I speak on. I just don't understand why it bothers sony fanboys so much. Am I not suppose to be impressed? lol...Am I suppose to wait for the ps3? Sony announced it was coming out 1st quarter 2006. Just think if I would have waited. lol...I would still be waitng and I would be angry and pissed like the rest of you sony fanboys. By the way, did you enjoy the links? lol...."Got em Coach"....

[THE TRUTH]

But I do know that 360 is out now and it takes a lot to impress me. Like I said. I have every gaming platform. I have 4 top of the line computers maxed out. So to impress me isn't easy. 360 has done that for me.

So you say an 360 is better or more impressive than 4 top of line computers fully maxed out? Prove it then, tell us what you got.

brag about what I have so people understand who you are dealing with. An arrogant confident New Yorker

And I'm a successful buisness man from California, not to mention a war veteran. I'm a gamer who like games, I like NBa live 06 but I feel the asking price of 60$ is too much. What part of that can you not understand? Furthermore what do you do for a living? Have you ever faced adversary? How was your up bringing? If your so arrogant and confident let us know........

All I have to say is "I don't believe you" "I see you left alone your previous arguments about me giving you links. I did that and now you want to talk about things that don't matter.

If those links is where you are basing all of your so called "facts" the you need help and are way to gullable. I make my opinions based on what I want/experienced, not what anyone else thinks or so called "professional" opinions.

And you want to resort to what the rest of the SONY Fan boys do and start calling people names. How sad

Quit taking the high road and respond to my post, if you can. I ripped all of your post to shreds with my opinions and you can't take it anymore. If all you have to say is..."How sad. Your age has been diplayed in your obvious frustration with being spanked on the net. Yes...Spanked. " Then why even respond.

Seriously grow up man. You will never shut me up, but I can/will make you ramble,(all that rambling in your post is sad my friend) and the evidence is in your sorry excuses for reply's. Is this the best you got "REAL DEAL"? If it is than my converstaion with you is over..........

[The Real Deal]

"I rarely even use XBL anymore since I play games with my family and friends all the time. I like to see their reaction when I knock them out or hit that 3 in their face, while enjoying some a chilled bottle of crown royal or drinking some beers."

"Thanks for the so called advice, but I did try the demo and I liked it
When my brother and friends come over to my house we like to play NBA Live and FNR3. (we are sports fans)"

There are so many ways to enjoy the xbox 360. I'm glad you and your friends have fun with sports games on the platform. Thats why I like it too. We agree. Microsoft made an accessable system that people from all walks of life can enjoy without a big hit to your wallet. Thats cool. Thanks for sharing with us.

[THE TRUTH]

I rarely even use XBL anymore since I play games with my family and friends all the time. I like to see their reaction when I knock them out or hit that 3 in their face, while enjoying some a chilled bottle of crown royal or drinking some beers."

"Thanks for the so called advice, but I did try the demo and I liked it
When my brother and friends come over to my house we like to play NBA Live and FNR3. (we are sports fans)"

There are so many ways to enjoy the xbox 360. I'm glad you and your friends have fun with sports games on the platform. Thats why I like it too. We agree. Microsoft made an accessable system that people from all walks of life can enjoy without a big hit to your wallet. Thats cool. Thanks for sharing with us.

Yeah we agree , but I have to say that I only enjoy these 2 games out of all the games out so far on 360 which seems dissappointing to me. Thank you for agreeing and proving my point

[Jay da 2KBalla]

See this is why you are a contradicting asshole. You said it is immature to trade insults yet this is what you are doing and your comments add nothing to the conversation. I wasnt huggin their nuts or anyone else's for that matter, I was simply adding to what they said. Real Deal- sony stock plummeting Mart- sony lost 600 million Jay- sony is losing 300-400 dollars per console. I was simple trying to iterate how bad sony is financially and how it is a definite possibility that they could indeed go bankrupt. Please stop making immature posts and grow up. You and shadow would make a great couple. lol. Looking like an immature ass on a ps3 forum everyday must be a very very sad life for you.

Like I said I dont hug on any ones nuts so dont come at me wit dat g@y sh*t. Look just because you blow guys for a living and have a circus with THEIR balls doesnt mean any one else on this forum do the same.

[The Real Deal]

But yet your talking about how your a war veteran...lol..ect....Thats way too funny. What in the world does that have to do with gaming. I'm glad you decided to give up on this with me. Move on. Continue to play your 360...wink...wink....and if you are bothered by 60 dollar games for the xbox 360 you are really going to have a war time flash back of hostility when you see that the ps3 games are 70 dollars a pop. lol...You just sound like a grumpy dude. Being a war veteran can do that to you. Chill out. Take your frustration and aggression out in your fight night round 3 video game. No one agree's with you. You can't rip facts to shred with your war veteran lame opinions based on...um...nothing. You asked for proof. I gave you that. Now you show me proof. If you can't then go bouts ya business. This board has a lot of opinions flying around. But its nice in the real world to have an opinion based off of somthing besides your cooky war theatric views. The closest thing you got to war is most likely Call of Duty. Its a game dude. I know its realistic on your 1080p tv...but its just a game. Not reality. Though the 360 definately blurs the lines...I agree with you there.

[The Real Deal]

lol...those are the only two games you bought. lol...thats pretty good. You bought two..You like two...you are a little off. The war got you a little off balance...lol...stop it...your killing me...lol...I can't stop laughing at you. Oh, but you did buy a 360. And you did buy some games. And you have losts of fun time with your friends and family. But the 360 sucks...lol...."OKAY" ;

[THE TRUTH]

lol...those are the only two games you bought. lol...thats pretty good. You bought two..You like two...you are a little off. The war got you a little off balance...lol...stop it...your killing me...lol...I can't stop laughing at you. Oh, but you did buy a 360. And you did buy some games. And you have losts of fun time with your friends and family. But the 360 sucks...lol...."OKAY" ; ;

I said those are the only two I play. I have gamefly and I also own GRAW but I haven't played another game I feel is worth my 60$. After I bought GRAW I told myself I will not pay more for less. Honestly me my family and friends play and enjoy our psp's and ps2's much more than the 360. FNR3 is awsome though especially in HD.

[The Real Deal]

Right...wink...wink....we believe you. lol...you like your ps2 better than your 360. You have just lost all your cred with me and I'm sure others. You might be sonyisgod in disguise with a comment like that. You were doing good with the war vet crap. But you blew it. lol...You hear that guys. He enjoys his ps2 much much more than his 360. Now I see why you bash the 360. I knew after enough conversation with you the truth would emerge.
"Got em Coach"...

[THE TRUTH]

WOW Just WOW

But yet your talking about how your a war veteran...lol..ect....Thats way too funny

You just sound like a grumpy dude. Being a war veteran can do that to you. Chill out.

No one agree's with you. You can't rip facts to shred with your war veteran lame opinions based on...um...nothing

somthing besides your cooky war theatric views. The closest thing you got to war is most likely Call of Duty

These statment offend me, to make these statements about me and my experiences I have had defending OUR country is crazy.... I have seen some of the best young men and women killed or injured and it's a sad thing that you speak of this in this manner. Men and women I have trained and lived with for years, people I consider family have suffered GREATY and your ignorance isn't accectable. I WILL NO LONGER HAVE ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU. IF THIS IS WHAT 360 GAMERS/FANS APPROVE OF OR THINK LIKE, I NO LONGER WANT TO BE AN OWNER OR SUPPORTER OF SUCH PRODUCTS. THGANK YOU REAL DEAL FOR SHOWING EVERYONE YOUR "TRUE SELF" YOU HAVE GONE WAY TO FAR WITH THIS, as I think of the sacrifices I along with others have made and to hear you speak of those who protect your very existance with their lives is just WRONG. ANY WAY YOU PUT IT IT IS JUST WRONG!!!!

[The Real Deal]

FNR3 is awsome though especially in HD.

It sure is. Awsome is the word I would use to describe that 360 game too. lol....

p.s. "Your a wierd natzi war vet dude"

I'm not going to go through all your jibber jabber post and point this out...but as most will see after reading this thread. You contradict your self constantly. I think the war did somthing to you. Do you still get medical through the veteran fund? I know this is off the gaming topic..but what war where you in again? lol....lol....lol......lol

[The Real Deal]

You shouldn't have brought your war veterenship BS to the table. Anybody can type on a computer..."hey guys I'm a war vet, I must know about video games"...Don't bring a fork to a gun fight. lol...Anything I type about is fair game. I say I'm from Ny. people talk about that. I say I own 4 computers...People talk about that. The point is...."I don't believe you" "And you are a SONY FANBOY" Case closed. Mr. Natzi...isn't that in your name? Fair game. lol...

[THE TRUTH]

IT'S SHORT FOR SUMTYNNAZTEE WHICH MEANS "SOMETHING NASTY"

AND I WAS IN IRAQ FOR OIF (OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM)

sorry about being off topic everyone, just wanted to get a few things clear. I'm done with this site til they find away to do away with these people who feel they need to PERSONALLY attack anyone who doesn't agree with them.

[The Real Deal]

The Truth says "I'm done with this site til they find away to do away with these people who feel they need to PERSONALLY attack anyone who doesn't agree with them."

Well we found a way to get rid of you and you were personally attacking people because they didn't agree with your sony fanboyism.

example ...The Truth says "Me and my friends all think the ps2 is much much better than the xbox 360"

Okay...uh huh...Ba bye. The real deal says waving his hands infatically. lol...

[Jay da 2KBalla]

See this is why you are a contradicting asshole. You said it is immature to trade insults yet this is what you are doing and your comments add nothing to the conversation. I wasnt huggin their nuts or anyone else's for that matter, I was simply adding to what they said. Real Deal- sony stock plummeting Mart- sony lost 600 million Jay- sony is losing 300-400 dollars per console. I was simple trying to iterate how bad sony is financially and how it is a definite possibility that they could indeed go bankrupt. Please stop making immature posts and grow up. You and shadow would make a great couple. lol. Looking like an immature ass on a ps3 forum everyday must be a very very sad life for you.

Like I said I dont hug on any ones nuts so dont come at me wit dat g@y sh*t. Look just because you blow guys for a living and have a circus with THEIR balls doesnt mean any one else on this forum do the same.

[The Real Deal]

Oh...lol..."my bad"...lol...well you was talking all that crazy war stuff and defend the country stuff on a gaming site. lol...My Father was in the military for 25 years. My uncles are all in the Marines. My best friend is in Japan in the Marines. But I don't see how any of that has to do with gaming. I'm from NY. I don't play nice when I see or hear B.S. And quite frankly thats my asessment of what you have been posting. But thats my opinion. We agree...to disagree...but I will always have facts to back what I say. My point isn't to make you like the 360. My point is to express my view from my personal experiences with gaming. Like I said before. IGN ps3...agree's with me on the many pro's of owning and xbox 360. Game developers love the 360 and I gave you links to back and support what I say. You called my FACTS outrageous and asked for links. I do what I can. Some people can have it laid out for them and still be stuck up sony's butt so far that they can't enjoy other platforms. I'm sorry but I just simply don't believe you. You come in here giving us your opinion like we care. Like you are someone. I don't think I'm the know all dude that everyone should listen to. But I do provide links so people can come to their own conclusions. Unlike you. Good luck on your ps3 purchase. Like I said. I'm getting one too. And if you have an issue with 60 dollar 360 games. Many are 40 dollars now at walmart and other outlets. But brace yourself for ps3 games that look no better for 70 dollars due to the blu ray formatt. dvd's sell for 16.99 blu ray discs sell for 25 to 45 dollars. And like I said "only 2 games MIGHT be 1080p". And thats a big might. To run at that it will have a slower frame rate. Most games will be just like the 360. 720 p or 1080i. And most games are being developed for the 360 then ported to the ps3. Unless its a ps3 exclusive. And as it looks now...most games are only 20 to 70 percent complete with a few months left till launch. Top notch games take years to develope. Think about it and good luck.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles... http://ps3.ign.com/articles... http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...

[Jay da 2KBalla]

1. What does this war stuff have to do with anything? You still made some immature ass posts and just because real deal makes you want to cry like a little p*ssy doesnt mean you should take it out on me.

2. lol You are going to feel a certain way avout the 360 simply because of what 1 person said to you(real deal)? OMG You have no mind of your own.

3. Just shutup This is a ps3 forum. Why you even brought up all this war sh*t and why you think we should believe you I will never know.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Anybody notice that sumnatzee and the truth are the same people? lol

[The Real Deal]

Another one bites the dust. Whats up with these SONY Fanboys. Why can't we all just be gamers and be happy? Delay after Delay is really getting to these guys. They can play next gen now with the 360 and not worry about Sony's obvious problems. Then if it actually comes out. They can buy it and see what its all about if they choose.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

But seriously sumnatzee is always talkin dat dumb immature bullsh!t and then he started talkin sh!t about me and I wasnt even in it. But yea though the 360 is tight as hell and the ps3 is going to have some good games as well but 360 definitely has the upper hand this next gen at least in my eyes.

[The Real Deal]

I agree. The 360 with its price point and its flexability and xbox live...its just a more attractive system. I checked up on The Truth aka sumnatzee on xbox live and he has played 9 games. He didn't beat Call of Duty but he dabbled in it. I think that game is hella fun. Mabye he just isn't into the whole online gaming scene. He mainly plays sports games but the launch sports games could have been better but they were still better than any current gen games. I am really looking foward to the sports games coming out for the 360 this season though. Developers are able to get more out of the system and ad more of the features and more. Its a going to be an exciting year for the 360. Gears of War, Mass Effect, ect. But really I can't wait to play Prey in a week or so and Lord of the Rings battle for middle earth. I'm still playing oblivion...I love that game. I'm level 31 or 32. GRAW was cool but I ain't beat it yet. ITS kinda hard. lol...My gamer score is like 5 or 6 thousand. Condemed was sooooo fun to beat. That game is crazy scary. But I can go on and on. lol..

[Jay da 2KBalla]

GRAW, COD2, Oblivion........man Oblivion is the sh!t. And that just shows you how much sony has been bullsh!tin. They say the ps3 is 2x as powerful as the 360 yet Gears blew everything on the ps3 out of the water and then they try to say well DVD9 is inadewuate when Oblivion has 200 plus hours of gameplay and is only 4.2 gb. And then just think what gears 2 will look like and The next elder scrolls game. Now I see why microsoft kept saying the whole software hardware and services because live is amazing especially with the updates, so many AAA titles, and devs are utilizing the 360 fully very quickly for once agin I use gears as my proof and lets not forget all the multi platform titles being ported from 360 to ps3. And then there is the price point. It just seems microsoft want bullsh!ting after all.

By the way: Just think what 360 launch titles would look like had 360 launched THIS november. hmmm It would be spectacular and whats sad is that people would still buy into sonys hype even though there would be no shortages for microsoft would be launching with about 12 million consoles, launching with 150 games, and live would be perfect already.

But lets be real microsoft needed to launch early but you can dream right?

[Jay da 2KBalla]

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[PS360PCROCKS]

yes u can dream and I am the 300th comment, so go me, lol, 300 comments, geesh

[jinn]

sony has got nothin

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