Being the successor to two of the most popular video game systems ever, the Playstation 3 has been a disappointment so far in terms of sales. Despite Sony's claims, it won't be able to outsell the Playstation 2.
One of the things that really helped the PS2 into become the success that it was/is was the casual market. Sony obviously has lost the casual market compared to the dominance that they had last gen. Nintendo are the folks who have taken the casuals by storm and it seems that they are going to be the standard on the casual market for here on out depending on what stratedgy Sony does for there next console.
So true. I just got a PS3 and now I have all three consoles. The PS3 is by far the slowest of the three. What is up with the load times? It's a good BR player. It loads a BR a little slower than the HD player I have, and it makes me think why is PS3 so slow? I'm still new to it so I will have to tinker some more with it. But the PS2 was and still is a good system. It's much faster than the PS3. LOL... <<Edit>> Disagree: It's ok if you disagree everyone has a right to their opinion, but at least post and let everyone know if you have all three consoles so you can compare the load times between the consoles. OK Update... PS3 - Transformers Blu-ray 50 sec load time from when you insert the disk. XBOX360 - Transformers DVD 15 sec load time from when you insert the disk. Big difference, but I'm willing to admit that BR looks soo much better, I was just pointing out the fact that it's slow. The games load a lot slower also.
Are you sure you're using a PS3?!? O.o
What's so slow??
Why don't you post a video showing that it takes 50 seconds to load the blu-ray? I can assure you it doesn't take that long in mine.
I have the 60GB unit. Which system are you using?
hitthegspot, so, according to you, you "just" got a PS3, but you got a 60gb model? really? something doesn't smell right. Anywhoo, back on topic....... the PS3 hasn't reached the pricepoint for the casual market, so it's no suprise that they aren't buying it yet. When the price drops another 150-200, then I'd be worried if casuals don't flock to it. Right now, it's to soon to panic. Besides, casual gamers flock to whatever is cheap and now, which happens to be the wii. In all honesty though, I don't think ANY console from this gen, (or possibly from future gens) will sell as well as the PS2 did. If you want to use that system as a measuring stick, all 3 systems are failing for one reason or another. The wii is the only one coming close, and their sales are slowing considerably.
Only about 5% of the bluray players are faster than the PS3. These are only the most recent one. Any bluray player review you will read, that are a couple of months old always finish with "Well, it's kind of fast, but it's not as fast as our reference system, the PS3"... Maybe your PS3 is defective?
@ hitthegspot - its actually one the fastest loading Bluray players around. comparing it with a dvd load time is frankly pretty stupid... My megadrive and Snesslaoded games instantly - so what? As a long time user of all three machienes you have to have some kind of angle if you make the kind of staemtnets you do, as its plainly simply not the case.
I got my PS3 on e-bay for $300. I wanted a 60GB and since it was about the same price as what I was expecting the 80GB to be in April, why wait. I'm sensing some hostility here. I was only saying that of the three systems it's has the longest load times for games and movies. As far as streaming it flies, no issues. I'm not bashing the PS3 I was just wondering if others with 2 or more are noticing the same long loads.
Seriously I have great fun with my PS3 and that is all that matters to a gamer. I wish you people would get over sales and winners. Do you people have any idea how many are employed by Sony and MS to worry about this stuff. We should concern ourselves with games and let the pencil pushers worry about sales. Fake ass gamers get a marketing job or stfu with this bull. I havent always done my gaming on the most popular system I still had fun. When will you realize you are not the stuff you own/buy. Bunch of mindless drones. 20 mil PS3 owners in the world means we should be able to relax and enjoy the games. If sales equal quality then I suggest we all sell our consoles of choice and run out to buy a Wii with Wii Fit.
@ hitthegspot: You have to watch what you say about consoles around here (the PS3 in particular). The "dedicated" have a low tolerance for negative comments pointed towards their piece of plastic.
does it matter ?? the PS3 has all these great games coming out..it's selling 10X per year.. so if Sony keeps the PS3 relevant for 10 rs as they said while selling 10 mill a year thats 100 Million...hardly a failure...
But you said the PS3 was slower than your other HD player. Again, since it's only lately that some bluray players are faster than the PS3, you have to admit that people had the right to find that strange. Then, you came back to say a dvd player is faster! Wow. If your dvd player take 15 seconds to load a dvd, it's also broken : ) I bought a $39 one for the kid room that load twice as fast! Now, back to the actual article (which explain why PS3 owners may get jumpy a bit....) "The PS3 won't sell because it's too high end: To get the full experience of the Playstation 3, gamers will need an HDTV and surround sound system." Don't tell me it's not a stupid comment! It's a next gen console, and this guy is still thinking you should play it on a 15 inch SDTV???
Have you not considered that the fact that it's USED might be the reason?
It`s not going to change anything. How this is related to GAMING? PS3 already matched PS2 success in getting every year many AMAZING games. That`s all about what GAMER should care. =)
Last time I saw a company supporting so many platforms at once was Sega. anyone remember when they were doing the genesis, cd, 32x, gamegear and saturn all around the same time in 95-96??? So many platforms and so little $$ made sega a bad situation. I am not saying sony is the next sega but they have to be thinking themselves if they really can do it. Granted the primary reason for keeping the ps2 alive is because it sells and the ps3 has not taken off (partly due to the fact the ps2 sells). Sony is competing against itself and until they see that in order to move forward the ps3 will remain the third place system in their stable (#1 ps2, #2 psp, #3 ps3). Anyone remotely interested in gaming history will find the parallels of this gen to be something like the early 90's. Nintendo was raking in the big $$ from the NES and sega had all but given up on the master system in favor of the genesis/mega drive. Chipping away little by little at nintendo even to the point where a few companies faced breach of contract with nintendo to make games for the genesis (google sunsoft and the batman days). Sega released their console ahead of the competition (snes) and gained quite a following and really held their own against the mighty nintendo. Fast forward to today and you can see how erie it is with MS playing the part of the "genesis" this gen. It is ms second system and is doing really well as compared to its former self. Same thing happened to sega. Genesis did exceptionally well against its former self (master system). Sony has the ps2 which also kicked a$$ when compared to the ps1. In fact it is almost as if the 2nd gen console from every major party has been the best received. Nintendo would be the exception to that as the wii is their 5th (??) home console and is doing much better than anyone expected. The way this gen plays out will definately play a role in sony and their plans to make a 4th console. The old phrase "3rd time is the charm" has not been so true for other companies (saturn, n64, atari 7800, etc) yet it could be true for sony. We all know that MS will go for round three but will it be better than their current round two?
I don't know. My previous 60GB (now a 500GB) PS3 loads BDs quite fast. The PS3 sales wise, is on the same track as the PS2 and numbers can show that. As a gamer, I stopped caring about the sales of the PS3 and I'm more focused on the games coming. Lord knows there's a lot of them.
And I pretty much agree. I don't think it will match the PS2, or win this gen. Right now, they need price cuts to compete with the 360 for the remainder of this gen. But this gen is different also, the Wii is gonna win and it's the most pathetic console, infact real gamers don't even care about it. I have no idea what will happen to Nintendo in the future, but I think eventually there casual market crap will wear out as people will get tired of waggle to the TV screen gimmick.
Yh I have a wii and it rarely gets used, it has some good mario and zelda games though and thats it, but ive completed them so I never use it. It has a bout 5 good games and thats it....
No sh*t, PS2 has less worthy competitor as PS3. Wii, XBOX 360 all worthy competitor.
the ps1 and ps2 was popular because of modding, u get a good console and chip it and then get unlimited games for near nothing. same with xbox and now DS. PC is best 255 Million active users
and get the worst experience of all platform. Ohh my driver conflict with this game, this EAX doesnt work on that game. No thanks, I'll just stick with consoles.
I hate PC gaming, nothing works with anything...atleast thats what I've come across. Nothing is backed up with retailers or the developers if its going to work. You'll mostly just get a another copy if it doesn't work and be out $40-50. I'm sticking with consoles.
I would say the Xbox was the most worthy of the competitors for the PS2. Built-in HDD, Xbox Live, better graphics, better hardware, arguably better controller. But the one thing that the PS2 had over the Xbox was Software and price. This generation is obviously completely different than any generation before thus it cant be compared to the last generation.
I want to say, Right now Sony needs to focus on bringing prices down!!, it's the only way they're gonna compete for market share and try to perserve the rest of this generation. They aren't gonna compete with the Wii of course, but maybe they can break into 360's lead. Right now they aren't gaining on the 360, infact the 360 is widening thier lead. I want to say this, but I've been saying this for the past 6 months and Sony just doesn't do anything, PS3 prices remain the same and 360 just keeps winning market share. There's not much more to say.
Sony knows they need to bring prices down, but they have come down from $600 to $400 in two years. That's quite a chunk, considering the system cost $840 to make at launch.
I paid $600 for my 60gb PS3. Sure the PS3 may be a little pricey but it is still selling ok. $399 is a lot for some people to be spending right now but I think dropping the price of the console about $100 will help a great deal and it may hit Wii numbers at that point. Personally I want the price of the bluray movies to drop to $20 for new releases.
From the looks of it, Sony really isn't interested in profit share this generation, and is more focused on making the PS3 business profitable before even thinking about profit share again and to me that's the smart decision. Regardless of how much longer the PS3 stays at $399, it's still going to sell and people still going to buy it. Sure, the Xbox 360 will sell a little more per month, but considering it sold just a little over 300K in January with a $199 console on the market, it's not like the 360 is leaving the PS3 behind in the dust and outselling it 3:1 or anything consistently around the world. The PS3 is still hanging in there, even when it's cheapest price is $399. If 21 Million+ PS3's were sold at $599, $499, and $399 prices, I can't even imagine how much more people would be getting a PS3 once it hits $299 and below. But, sales aren't worrying me though, there's too many good games coming out this year to be bothered by such things.
ps3 will be more succesful than ps2. do you know why? PSN. did ps2 have a online network that you buy stuff from? not really. not like how it is today. and how are sales dissapointing? the most expensive console initially is selling 10 million a year. even microsoft said the race for annual sales is who can sell 10 million first. im a average guy and i know that. it feels so good to know that im smarter than you. ps3 does have a add-on too. its called the psp. doink.
haven't read the article but here are my reasons: 1) the xbox 360 is much better than the original, 2) the blu-ray isn't the giant jump in technology that the DVD was and 3) the price/economic collapse... oh and 4) people are stupid and still believe the things that were said about the PS3 (like "there aren't any people on the PSN")
whats up with these articles bashing the ps3, i mean yea its in last place right now and it sure is well deserving of a price cut but by tomorrow morning I most certainly will be not concerned with any of it as Killzone 2 will be residing in my ps3 for quite some time!
It's called common sense, they are speaking to people who honestly believe the ps3 is still at 7million units world wide.
lol or Time Magazine who believed the PS3 was at 200,000 in the U.S.
your right i mean arent these articles getting kinda stale? how many times can these articles state some fanboys afraid his rotbox is going to lose second place?
yes but there are often the same kind of articles against the 360. maybe you're going to say, 'but not as many as there are anti-PS3 articles'. but then I could say ok so the 360 fans find (supposedly) reputable online sources of like-minded people who write (supposedly) intelligent articles giving their opinions backed by some facts; while instead the majority of n4g PS3 fans just post comments under these articles with things like 'xbots r teh [email protected] tee-hee!'. QCCs? (questions, comments, concerns...)
were supposed to be on offence and its too easy to make some hypothetical assumption based on how dumb a person can be. its like shooting at a decoy and its frustrating but whatever its kinda fun too because im shooting and i wont be running out of ammo anytime soon. Lock load - Fire at will
great comment. Its funny how these guys can predict the future
i think ps3 will reach as much as the ps2. just wait till more games drop in and the avarage gamer can afford a ps3. im not saying its overpriced. couse it is a great mashine, but it is still way to expensive for a lot of people.
i hate these articles. does it really matter?
The Wii stole all the casual gamers, while the 360 stole most of the core. The PS2 sold 16 million in year two and 18 million in year three. The PS3 would need to be on the market for nearly 20yrs in it's current state to catch the PS2.
So your saying the PS2 sold 18 million in year three, well the PS3 is just over 2 years old and not even 2 years old in Europe and its at 21+ million sold. So the PS3 sales are ahead of the PS2 in the same time frame.
That's beyond retarded? Did that make any sense in your head?
he meant it sold that much in each year instead of total sales of lifetime... well i hope he is for his arguement but i think the ps3 is doing great for the price tag it has you got to remember the ps2 was 250 around this time in its life so more ppl could afford it i dont think sony really thought they were gonna get ps2 numbers with what all they put into the ps3... they knew they were sacrificing sales but being at gamecube lifetime sales on year in the beginning of year 3 is not a failure in any way...pretty damn impressing
18 million units sold in one year not total.
Are they fortune tellers?
Neither PS3 or 360 will come close to the PS2, the PS3 had a more than double launch price, also considering that if launched on the same day, the PS3 would have sold around 4 million consoles more than the 360, the PS3 is selling VERY well.
Where's the one article titled, "Why idiot fanboys linking their own pathetic attempts at journalism on n4g will never be taken seriously."???
Another anti PS3 article, :/
Let's talk about this when PS4 comes out, you'll be able to have all the facts. #4 is just silly.
PS2 got off to a rocky start too
God damn only time can tell! I mean, at first people thought DVD sucked too and now look at it's success! That's the way it's hopefully gonna be with the PS3.
This list is a joke, and its reasoning is beyond retarded. 1.Late Launch - Sony has never launched there system first. 2.High Price - There will be a price drop, even if its not for 2 years there will be a price drop. 3.Losing Third-Party Exclusive Games - WHAT? - If you want to get technical so is every other system, not to mention 3rd party games were never the Playstations money maker so loosing 3 or 4+ semi exclusive games (since most of there 3rd parties had spin offs etc. on other systems) 3rd party titles almost makes zero to no difference at all. 4.Too High End - Very stupid reason, all this mean is it will sale better as the years go by.
he lives to spite everything playstation.
And that it took PS2 nine years to get to where it is today. It's not like it hit 140 million overnight. Most of those sales happened after its 4th year on the market.
Why Ps3 will not match Ps2s success : ..IT SUCKS! OP'D PIECE O' CRAP.
what a waste of cyberspace.
can't we just have a post at the top of the page of N4G that reads: PS3 is dead, it sells badly, no-one needs Blu-ray, there are no games, it won't sell as well as any other console, HOME is for children and any other shyt that the mods can think of. that way we can get on with enjoying our favourite console
Things the PS2 never really had to worry about: 1.Recession - You know about it, it's here and it's not pretty witha high-priced console. 2. Nintendo Wii - You know about it. The casual craze, around 50 million probably sold.(Fastest Ever) 3.Xbox 360 + XBL - Yup this is nothing new. Sony have lost Exclusive 3rd-party franchises, like DMC, Tomb Raider, Tekken, Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto, Resident Evil, Madden...etc These games used to only be on the PS3 and sell very well. So a high-priced console in these times will hurt your market-share(in these bad times), as well as, the competition is a lot stronger. You can downplay Nintendo and MS all day but the numbers don't lie. These days it's all about how much hardware can you sell in these bad times. The software sales and Game developers will come and listen to whoever leads in share. Doesn't matter how many Exclusive PS3 has, without a big install-base the games will not sell as well and that's with Sony and the half-assed marketing effort.
Um.. Xbox 360 has lost exclusives too, especially one of the highest profile games of this generation, Bioshock. The PS3 will be fine, and it's only the 3rd year, the PS2 didn't have success overnight either.
"Price and competition. The price is the main thing, but again, it seems Sony is working to bring the price down. Competition this time around is fierce. And that is great for gamers but with Xbox battling hard for the hardcore gamer and Nintendo being the king of the casual space, the Playstation 3 is seeing its once dominant stance challenged on both sides. With Playstation 2, there was only one competitor: the Gamecube. Dreamcast had come and gone- for the most part- by the time PS2 was really making some noise. And while the Gamecube had some amazing games and a loyal, passionate fanbase, it was never a serious threat to the Playstation 2’s market share. But times have changed, the competition is much, much tougher now. And the economy is in the toilet. So while it’s always tough to be the most expensive system on the block, it’s especially hard now. But I think this generation is proving that three consoles can survive and thrive. A lot of people like to pile onto the PS3 for being last in the current NPD numbers but they forget that comparing sell thru numbers for these consoles is not an apples to apples comparison. The PS3 is $399 compared to a $199 Xbox 360! And still, with that $200 price difference and in this economy, Sony has managed to sell THRU over 20 million Playstation 3’s! That’s pretty impressive but you never hear that side of the story in the press."
They don't want to match it, they want to surpass it..... Smart Cookie this writer is
ps3 just needs to get out of the microsoft paid baised circumstances and it will boom just watch besides killzone alone watch and see
I have the 60gb ps3 from day 1 and i can't see what u are saying slow anyway Why The Playstation 3 Won't Match Playstation 2's Success wrong it will in 2011 it's gonna be the same as ps2 they will be selling like cake's and there new consel will be coming at that time too just like how they did with ps1,ps2 if u look in to it it become's so clear
I don't know why people refuse to see the facts: 1. At 2 years into the life-cycle - the PS2 was at 18 million units 2. At 2 years into the life-cycle - the PS3 IS AT 21.3 million units Hmmm.. Is selling more than your highly successful predecessor at the same point in time (and at a higher price point) considered a failure?
I'd like to see a link to prove those numbers. I believe the ps2 had sold substantially more than that at 2 years.
Haaaaaahahahahahahaa This is laughable...That just made my day. Seriously, it would have the same success if the 369 did not exist.
Price? not everybody can afford a $500 game console.
all i gotta say is killzone 2 :D oh god i love that game!!! argh i wana play it now but i cant fkin ps3 is in my room and my sisters sleeping :-'(''''