Seattle P-I: "Just more than half of Xbox 360 owners who use the video game console's online service pay to play games online, according to an internal Microsoft document reviewed by the Seattle P-I."
Well it's worth it to pay. The next best thing is Steam.
that 360's online install base isn't necessarily higher than PSN.
Actually Sony should be shooting for at least 80% of it's user-base gaming online on PSN...as opposed to paying customers on the Xbox 360. XBL is well established and unified unlike PSN. If the subscriptions keep growing then, Live is just that good. I can't recall where it lost a big percentage of subscribers, on a yearly basis.
Of course they've never lost subscribers. Microsoft counts Silver accounts as subscribers as well. If they console keeps selling, then of course, theoretically, the number of subscribers will rise. Subscribers does not equal Gold accounts.
but a subscriber also does no equal every person who owns a 360, you still have to sign up so that makes what something like 8-9 million pay? that is not far off from the amount of wow subscribers which pay about 3 times as much per month for 1 game as opposed to hundreds i've been a member of live since the beginning and the price never bothered me and the amount of fun and the amount of friends i've made easily outweighs that $30-$50 a year
LOL, live is like paying for air for your tires. you get the same product elsewhere for FREE.
@EXCLUSIVEGAMER -Keep telling yourself that.
@EXCLUSIVEGAMER yeah, lets just say I know what I am paying for when I have a painless update done in 50 seconds on my 360. I was reminded of the free service I get with the PSN when I put in GT5 Prologue this morning just to be stuck on a 15 minute update. Not to say I don`t like PSN, I love it actually, but I do see a value in Live, no matter what people claim.
sony and nintendo must look at that revenue with envious eyes! it's a great service no doubt, and i've been paying since 04. na2ru1: outlawlife is correct, no cares what you say. with all the anti-360 articles that are on n4g daily, and all the hard work that gets put in on n4g by the loyal sony followers, it's still not deterring people from buying a 360, or subscribing to live. 11/10 for the effort though sdf.....sony must be proud!
I wish they make it free the becuse competetion is free right a free Xbox Live would boost more 360s. They could let companies advertise product on live like in HOME. It would make it easier to find gamers to play with in more games :)
which is free..
I don't get it, its not my cup of tea but I know a few buds who never left their house for a week playing that shiii...stupid if you ask me but if you told them to give it up and spend a fraction of that to play a hundred 360 games on Live or on psn for free you might end up in a fight. Ya see some don't mind paying a "small" fee if THEY feel the product or service has value over other services. I mean think about it 10 million people pay $15 a month or $180 a year just for the pleasure of playing 1 game online. Yet $4.16 a month or $50 a year for lets just say an avg 15 games played per year and Live subscribers are described by sony loyalists as crazy. Well I say I have both but if the Gaming Gods cursed me and I had to choose one I happily pay for Live 3x's over.....maybe its the community and relationships I've built but I enjoy gaming on Live much more than psn, actually I have to admit I rarely even play anything on psn, simply because I'm already almost forced to choose since I have limited time with my work schedule so when I do game, its usually just to play a few bouts with friends, which is almost entirely on Live....otherwise I'm at work checking out n4g between customers like right now....ha ha dammm, at least I have a great job. Make no mistake I'd take a free Live anyday the only way thats going to happen is if Gamers feel theres is a BETTER alternative, with a deep community and that takes time, especially when micro keeps adding to their service...so the ball is in sony's court and please don't make me laugh by mentioning HOME, lmfao the "HOME-hype" was tremendous a year ago but so far imo its one of the biggest "overpromising underdelivering" situations from sony this gen; note I said SO FAR, that could change if they bring some serious game related content. JOY
Independent tests have show that Live is the slowest of all the online services. It also has far more problems with lag on multiplayer games than PSN. And it costs $50 a year more than the competition.
8.5 million gold customers is pretty good. The way I see it is that the money I pay to Live goes to fund projects such as securing 3rd party exclusives, getting exclusive DLC, and funding first party games, and funding the best console online service. @TOSgamer The more profit the 360 makes the more they can invest in giving their user base a better experience. If paying for XBL helped MS fund new games then I'm happy. I didn't buy GTA4 but MS probably used that money to secure the exclusive dlc for their xbl users which is great. And I'm happy for the users who get to play that dlc. Furthermore, the money from XBL is used to create a great infrastructure and a great service. We have tons of options on xbl from xbox originals, community games, xbla games, cross game invites and chat, etc. All these options come from the measly $50 I pay a year.
Its 55% to 60%. So its around 9.35 million to 10.2 million. Even so I'd expect PSN to pass them up soon for biggest online gameplay community. Sony said they had 17 million PSN accounts that had signed up via PS3, PSP and PC. I'm sure a majority of that is with a PS3 though. So wait, you have no problem with MS taking your money to bribe 3rd party companies to keep content from other gamers who do not own a 360? That's kind of twisted in a way no? Actually, you must be brainwashed to think its acceptable to pay a company to fund their first party games and then pay again to buy the game that you helped fund. Microsoft is a for-profit company, you act as if its a church or charity.
Thats the difference between that and PSN's. And [playing] is the BIGGEST feature online gaming can offer. I'm really surprised nothing valuable is offered for free such as full arcade games. It fustrates me how MS are so hungry for every content including pics. I dont care if its £40 or £20 a year. NO 1 other than MS has charged for you to be able to simply have a bout against others online. It maybe £0.0343248897923847 a day only, but consider this. A day equals couple to few hours only. And a week equals to few days only. That basically makes the rest of your days, donation days for a big corporate money loaded association. Sorry 360 fans.
"Sorry 360 fans" For what? The only ones complaining are you.. and PS3 fanboys. It's like you guys are constantly trying to 'recruit' people to buy a PS3, and quit playing the x360 and Live.. And, to try and prevent any potential buyers from buying a x360.. It's pretty sad. Bro, no one cares what you have to say.. It's not like you're going to change my opinion bout Live, or PSn, and get me to stop paying for Live.. But, eh, thas your life.. So, I guess, keep doing what you do..
sony still hasnt said if they are counting multiple accounts yet, which i suspect they are because they cant differentiate between unique users and multiple accounts via a single ps3 i suspect the number of unique users on psn is a fair bit lower than sonys numbers imply
@No Way: "It's pretty sad. Bro, no one cares what you have to say.. It's not like you're going to change my opinion bout Live, or PSn, and get me to stop paying for Live.." Funny how you open your fat mouth to tell him to shut his. No one care what you have to say either. @outlawlife: "i suspect the number of unique users on psn is a fair bit lower than sonys numbers imply". Like 9-10 million? : )
im not slighting sony, im just curious of the actual numbers
"The more profit the 360 makes the more they can invest in giving their user base a better experience. If paying for XBL helped MS fund new games then I'm happy." Just because they can doesn't mean they will. Microsoft is free to do as they please with Your money, and shutting down studios left and right doesn't appear to be in the mindset of making new exclusive games. This is in the same mindset of the republican party and George W. Bush. We already tried giving more of our money to the rich hoping they would invest and it would trickle down to the poor, guess what - it didn't happen; look at our economy now.
Is that why Microsoft decided to charge for DLC that developer wanted to give out for free?
"It's pretty sad. Bro, no one cares what you have to say.." It seems to me like you do. Since you took the time to read his post and also took the time to reply to it lol.
Glad they could sucker in so many people to pay, man even i would if all i owned was a 360, but i'd still be mad i was paying for something that should be free, and i'd only pay 30 tops.
Steam garbage? And what's better? You must still be bitter that Valve doesn't like the PS3.
Steam trumps both XBL and PSN by a good margin.
And how did MS "sucker" anyone into paying for Xbox LIVE? People know what they're paying for, and it's a damn good service.
Haha, Steam is far superior to both PSN and Live.
"And how did MS "sucker" anyone into paying for Xbox LIVE? People know what they're paying for, and it's a damn good service." Paying for xbox live is what got us what we had since the original xbox what PS3 users are just now getting(in-game custom soundtrack, etc.)
my gold membership ran out on the 11th and im not paying for it again until there is something to play online, until then ill play the PS3 versions online.
I'd do the same.
I have been doing this for quite some time now.
I've been debating whether or not I should pick up another gold LIVE subscription or not but it always comes back to "why would I when I can play for free?". If down the road Sony decides to charge then I guess that's the day I'll sit down and weigh out the differences between the two.
Doing the EXACT same thing lol. I actually was getting kind of pissed because MS was trying auto-renew my account with my cancelled credit card then try to force me to pay. Luckily they backed down after like 10 emails telling me i needed to update my credit info.
like me, some poeple pay for a month and then stop and play for another month when theirs a good MP game released, so their are actually more member that pay to play
PSN equals CONVENIENCE.
Actually the article implies that they take a snapshot of paid users every month or so and track it through the years that way. So I think the month that you paid you would be included and the month that you didn't wouldn't. It's % of paying members not just yearly memberships.
There's probably not that much give anyway. For everyone who renews for a month, there's going to be someone else who lets their sub expire. The overall percentage probably doesn't change too much.
" LIVE is a rich social entertainment and gaming experience that is unmatched in the industry..." so they say..
And, you would disagree? What's better, PSn?? No one talks on PSn. When I get on PSn I feel like I'm playing against bots..
I find that most of the time I like it when people shut the hell up and play. I don't mind when people talk online, but I really do hate it when all you can hear are stupid 12 year old boys talking sh*t.
You know what's sweet about Xbox Live? You don't have to talk/listen to everybody. When I play Gears 2 or some other game I use the party chat so I only communicate with my friends who I'm playing the game with. But yeah, I guess having less choice is what makes PSN so much better.
At least on Live I can perma mute the idiots on CoD4 rather than have to repeatedly mute each game like on PSN. PSN is superb for a free service, but the difference is I'm happy to pay for Live (at least the £25 a year option if you look around the web) whereas there's no way I would consider paying a similar amount for PSN.
I agree,they should all just buy a PS3 and enjoy online gaming for free!!
loves there 12 year old thats why there on it.
We've been waiting since 2006 to get xbox live here,and every fricken year its next year,and so on,and so fourth.You invest in India,with 1billion people and less than 100 thousand sales,yet we have a population with 44million with more than 170thousand sales.We're a small country.I know,but besides the fact we paid 4 times what the U.S originally paid,the least you could do was officially integrate it here?Why must I create a UK gamertag,and ask my buddys overseas to buy cards for me for subs?whats worse,Msft South Africa keeps telling us their working on it in the U.S.Fck u msft,Im ranting,but somewhere between paying 120$ U.S Dollars a game,and having to import recharge vouchers,I got pissed.Atleast,Sony has officially set up here with servers,PSN might not be better than XBL,but its better than nothing.
Breathe man, breathe. It'll all be ok.
LOL. A much called-for rant, imo.
I can play valve games all i want without a ps3, or 360. that aside though, steam is a peice of garbage, it's slow damn slow, the only thing that i play on steam is counterstrike, and obviously not anymore because it's like 20000 years old,o lol. sorry i don't like valve games, i don't even like them free.
That kinda sucks. Every 360 owner should be able to play their games online. If you buy a $60 game, every mode within that game should be available to use. It's no different than being charged $5~10 extra to unlock costumes and levels that are already printed on the game disc.
Thats kind of what I was getting at below. (And got disagrees.) It would be amazing to find out PSN actually had more players than XBL. Theres no way to really know but you would think since only half of Live is Gold, and everyone on PSN can play, then the number of players is probably pretty close.
as usual, you just spout any nonsense without the slightest bit of evidence to back up your wild claims. bathyj: can i ask why it would be amazing?? are sony gonna start paying you when they have more people using their free service?
I gaurantee PS3 does not have more or even 75% of the amount of people playing on xbox live every month....and I mean online...please dont give the bull since we all know especially people on this site have 2 or 3 psn accounts.... Hell killzone 2 alone might have sparked up a ton of people to make Euro accounts for the demo.. not to mention people that have psp psn accounts
Do you really think the average PS3 owner knows that you can have multiple PSN accounts? Even if they did know that, would they care? Probably not. Most people just want to get online and play, not shuffle between multiple PSN accounts. I would bet a large sum of money that the people with multiple PSN accounts are a tiny minority, probably less than 5%. In fact, I know several PS3 owners that share 1 PSN account with everyone in their family.
i feel bad for people who pay for that. oh well eh
Right, that's why I was playing CoD2 online the other day. Believe it or not but CoD2 and CoD3 still has a large user base that prefers these two games over 4 and WaW. Furthermore, games such as Forza 2, Graw 1-2, Vegas 2, LOTR BFME 2, etc all have users still playing online. Unlike Sony, the servers aren't shut down if the players playing reaches lower than 1000.
of LIVE having a bigger herd than PSN's. Point is, LIVE is more like to lose players than PSN for a simple reason. The choice of free or paying. Live loses a player if they become a non-payer. PSN can only lose a player if he becomes a non-player
sony shuts down the servers if an online population is under 1000??? i dint know that....
"Unlike Sony, the servers aren't shut down if the players playing reaches lower than 1000." I've had a PS3 since December '06, and I'm not aware of a SINGLE PS3 game that is no longer playable online... Not one... I remember this issue back in the PS2 days, but that's only because every online game had to have its own registration and login servers running. Now that PSN has made the registration and login portions of the online service unified (just like XBox Live), this is no longer an issue (except for Konami games, which are running their own login/registration servers for Konami ID). Also, PSN games that support dedicated servers also work over Peer-To-Peer. So yeah, nice try...
Wow more FUD! You have the slighest bit of proof to back up your claim?
Please no spouting at the mouth without actually knowing thank you. FYI, halo 2 is still well populated. And GTAIV is up there in the top 5, probably higher now since the DLC. Fanboys I swear...
I wonder if there's ever going to be a price drop(an official one).
Is that actually good? I might be a glass is half empty kind of guy but that say to me half the people are only there cos silver is free and dont/cant play games. M$ are always going on about their huge online community but half of them are non combatants who refuse to pay so instead of 20M to play against theres only 10M or whatever the numbers really are. Of course theres nothing wrong with that, its obviously not hard to find a game with someone, I just figured from all the talk there would be more players than that, and of course PSN might have less players but there no way to know since everyone who joins can play. There might be less, but theres potentially more too. With roughly 20M accounts on PSN even if 70% of people play its possible there could be more on PSN. Wouldnt that be a shock you alot of people? Anyway, its interesting.
What I want to see as well is what PSN vs XBL's revenue intake is. I always speculated that because PSN allows everyone to play their games online, it opens the door for more people to buy add-on content, like game levels and expansion packs.
Sorry but if PSN accounts include PC, PS3 and PSP, I do not see how the PS3 being the lowest selling of the 3 could account for most of the user base of PSN. I am also sure that many people like yourself have 4-5 PSN accounts.When you take into account the poor software sales and geat blu ray sales it is hard to believe that PSN has more than 10 million users if that.
This is the undeniable proof that is needed that Xbox 360 owners are simply making the wrong choice by investing in this wash of a platform during these tough economic times. The Xbox 360 ecosystem has proven to be more of a headcase for gamers than the benefit that Microslaves tout it to be. The yearly fee of 50 dollars is far too much when considering that if you have purchased an XBox 360 in November to include the Xbox Live service, you will have paid 250 dollars in annual subscription fees just to enjoy what Sony offers for free on their platform. This is not even including the costs of Xbox Live if you made the lackluster choice of purchasing the service since it's inception in 2002. Totaling up from 2002 to 2009, Microsoft has charged you 350.00 for your loyalty to Xbox, it's more as of your stupidity. It's unrealistic to think that Microsoft's ecosystem will provide the stability to keep it's userbase satisfied with a service that never works as intended and provides lag which in turn makes a lackadaisical experience that no true gamer really wants to endure. With that being said, Microsoft is losing money on the very service that made them worth any mention. It doesnt shock Dark Sniper as the Sega Dreamcast has online features that Xbox 360 to this day still does not have. So much for a 10 year cycle for Microsoft when a console that is 10 years old surpasses them in features. $niper
I love the slogans in your profile.. especially one in particular.. "Welcome to the Third Place" – PS2 I think it's time to reuse that slogan, yes?
Someone remind this guy that speaking in 3rd person was NEVER cool.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... Call of Duty 2 was also released on PC, Mac, and Mobile Phones. But hey, I guess you can ignore that and use the typical "console exclusive" copout. =D