Global PS3 sales will take at least two years to pass those of 360 unless Sony can bring the machine to a "price advantage" position, Wedbush Morgan's Michael Pachter told VG247 today.
the ps3 never gonna beat the xbox 360
Americans will always be beaten one day. Look at Ford. For 80 years they were king. Then the japanese came along. Sony is japans biggest electronic maker. They know how to make Hardware that works
Im American and I found that funny lol
To the guy making himself look like an idiot:
HajAminSaniBinJihadi im going to request a ban for you. islamistic and anti american slogans are not welcome anywhere. Try another forum maybe something more militant.
Jihadi in the console wars! Everytime I think I've seen the dumbest Sony fanboy post it is always topped a week later. Well played, HajaminjihadiWHATEVER, well played! If Pachter said the Lakers will win the NBA championship then I would bet on the Celtics. The guy has been terminally wrong for so long that now he just changes his predictions every couple months to avoid being detected. If you want a good laugh then type "Pachter" in the N4G search engine and read some of his predictions from a year or two ago. Here's one from almost 2 years ago: Movie studios will decide PS3's fate- Pachter http://n4g.com/News-38695.a...
Enough of the fanboy news and fanboys on N4G. Gaming journalist have got out of hand and its spreading to the gamers. Be a real gamer and stop with the hate for rival console. Both consoles are here to stay so get over it. Make N4G a gaming site once again and MESSAGE ME to add you to the list to show that you support this message and spread this message. Go on. Say something nice about your rival console. People that support it: NinjaRyu Evildoomnerd Traveler NewScratch Soda Popinsky BlackTar187 La Chance STIKUP ARTIST Gollum Montrealien (THANX GUYS FOR YOUR SUPPORT)
you must be a VERY smart guy...uaehauehaueha
"Says Pachter" NUFF SAID.
Take your hatred else where bud, this is news for gamers, not political playing ground for haters. I am assuming you are not some American kid posting as some foreign country user. Ladies and Gentlemen, please give Racism and Fanboyism the BOOT.
I am completely in agreement with you. The main reason people want SONY to fail and MS to win is because one is a Japanese company and the other American. With the economy, anhthing non American is looked down upon. Wake up guys, if it wasnt for the Japanese, we may not even have video games.
Since Pachter said so that means Sony will catch them by November of this year with no price decrease.
well i somewhat agree. jap made hardware does seem alot more reliable. cars and electronics but then again, look at the software in the ps3 and wii. its complete garbage, jap people dont know anything about the internet and the social aspect of gaming. social of anytyhing i dont even think theres been a 'myspace' made out of japan since everything there is so lonely.
the ps3 never gonna beat the xbox 360 I think we can all agree.
I hope they "finish" dead even. That way the next consoles will be that much better because they really have to compete for our money.
Eeww... Patcher said this... nvm
yanks are too bloody sensitive, say one Anti-yank statement and they cry prejudice and hatred, take a look at what you do to the world around you and what the world thinks of america. Japan's technology is superior to americans, americans just steal ideas and copy what Japan creates. To say other wise is ignorance. This doesn't come down to consoles, it comes down to racist america thinking they are superior because they build a crapbox that every yank buys because its made by yanks. fvcking pathetic homos
So, it'll take 2 years at current pricing? Pachter... you really are deluded.
At the current price points, the only thing the PS3 would be doing in 2 years is lying in a graveyard.
Exactly. He doesn't look at the rapid decline of the 360 hardware viability nor does he consider the vast library of PS3 titles. Many of which non of us are yet aware. I would like to have the crystal ball he is using that reveals the impact of future PS3 titles.
Your an idiot. In just over 2 years, the PS3 has sold over 21million. Year on year it sells just as many units as the Xbox.
It would need to sell twice as many consoles as the 360 month to month. It is just not going to do that. It could put a huge dent in the margin, but it doesn't have the kind of momentum it needs to do that in one year. It could sell amazingly well in all regions, and still not pass the 360 in one year. You also have to consider that microsoft isn't going to sit there and let sony pick up momentum. They are going to continue to add content and price aggressively. They aren't just going to lay down and put everything on autopilot. edit: @below I was figuring they've been selling comparatively between 8-10 million a year. Since that's what the gap is, it would have to sell twice as much over the year, and likewise twice as much per month. But thus, point taken.
If there is one thing I have learned on this site is that morganfail doesn't understand math. He can't project numbers for a couple months let alone years. *edit* To the lazy one... Double the 360 month to month? There is approximately an 8 million unit lead. For the ps3 to get above the 360 it will have to sell over 600,000 more than the 360 every month.
You guys do realize that Sony is selling less consoles month to month compared to last year, while the 360 is increasing month to month. Just throwing that out there!
Man look at the guys above with 9+ bubbles. You'd think sony is bubbling them up or what. They make absolutely no sense in their comments and yet their bubbles keep going up. Luckily this doesnt happen in real life otherwise they'll be leaders in the industry rather than sitting on their couches in mom's basement, using n4g as their fantasy world. To quote an example of utter trash, look at morgenfell's comment. We all know 360 has been trashing ps3 sales since last 4-5 months. Its sales are increasing and ps3's hve come down and yet he is spouting total B$.
How does patcher still have a job?
@ sak500: I couldn't help it anymore so I just have to say it. I had a bunch of girlfriends over one night and we went through morganfell's post history together, so I've confirmed that it's not just me: morganfell is creepy in that disturbing, repulsive sort of way. We all felt that he couldn't possibly be serious because the stuff he says is so consistently stupid nobody could possibly mean it for real. And yet his crap is sooo not funny at all, as in, totally devoid of humor, that he sounds like he truly beieves in what he's saying.It is almost impossible to fake it. If I had to pick a person that most resembles the vibe morganfell puts out, I would say Charles Manson. Hey sorry for venting. It's a girl thing.
Ill just leave you with this.... 360 - 28 million in 3 years PS3 - 21 million in 2 years
@gina hahahah well, I haven't had the misfortune to go through morgen's his history but i agree with your comment. He comments really make sense only to him and his cell mates in the asylum. For the sake of all the girl gamers our there I hope you'll balance out the crazy and trash talking juuken/ultimolo's comments. Although haven't seen you around much but +bubbles and keep up the balance..
Well Jinxstar, consider his history. Pachter has the accuracy of a ten year old Daisy air rifle. Now we know why so many Wall Street firms have gone belly up. With predictions like his it is little wonder so many lost their ass.
Without a price cut, PS3 might not be alive in 2 years. As far as passing??? XBOX 360.... damn PS3 needs many a price cuts and a miracle, and maybe a year after XBOX 360 drops out of the market in favor of the XBOX 720, maybe PS3 will pass it then, but even that's probably stretching it.
It looks like you and Pachter have some great chemistry together. Here's hoping you two live happily ever after =)
only 2 years without a price drop? haha thats quick as hell wtf, afte those 2 years, ps3 has 6 more years to dominate...just wait till all those ps2 users start doing what veterans did when they came back from war...gonna be a ps3 boom
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All ps3 owners are batty boys.
ps3 sales will never pass 360 sales because they are being outsold by xbox 360 every week. globally a month there being outsold close 100,000 to 200,000 units. so In two years sony will be behind even more then 8 million units, maybe ten. Oh yea, if sony does drop price what do you think xbox is going to do. they actually make money off there system right now. sony is about to make some money and then drop price to lose more money I don't know, seems to me that sony should just stick where they are at right now. so there being outsold, atleast not by to much and losing more money at this point I think it would be worse off for them. They should just be happy and take third place. when they can afford to drop price then they should but not until then or maybe we won't see to much of sony in the game industry if they keep pushing the issue. face the facts M$ JUST HAS A SH-T LOAD MORE MONEY.
Sony's been banking on PS3s since August. Doesn't mean they've come anywhere near covering their deficit from the first two years but by the end of spring 09, the PS3 should be profitable enough for another price drop. And remember what happened last time? PS3 was STILL higher priced and it STILL brought the hammer down on the xbox360.
So the only way Sony can beat MS this gen is if the PS3 is cheaper than the 360........seems like MS got it in the bag then Even if Sony cut the price MS will too and maybe even Nintedo and they both will still be making money off the hardware while Sony will start raking in more and more losses
We all know the Ps3 will get a price cut, but the Ps3 doesn't have to be cheaper to outsell the 360, just look at 2007, and the first 8 months of 2008, the Ps3 was outselling the Xbox then, if you take away the headstart which in some places was 18 months, the 360 is only about 2 million consoles ahead, a very closeable gap.
"Take away the head start"? You cant take it away - like it or not it already happened. It's not MS fault that they launched a year sooner.
Soxfan2005 "It's not MS fault that they launched a year sooner." Umm...yeah it is.
I should have worded it: "It's not MS's fault that Sony wasn't ready to launch at the same time"
lol Quit your job Pachter
the ps3 will pass the 360 within 2 years.
The PS3 has an Advantage !!
Having more money what are you stupid if that was the case they wouldn't be shutting down studios or lose 54% of the gaming division you sir have failed! or they wouldn't need to bribe 3rd party developers Sony is richer then Microsoft that there able to keep there studios and buy new ones and the XBox 360 doesn't have real numbers for the userbase considering The XBox 360 doesn't even have a real userbase since their are so many people around the world that has there console break on them many times or stolen or bought more then one XBox 360 just in case the first one dies or had there house on fire or there warranty expired and of course the same people around the world that happened to them would buy another XBox 360 and Microsoft would count the same people thinking they are different people and count them as part of there userbase!
they forgot a zero behind the two.
right, right....two zero years. your joke would've worked better had they actually used numbers.
Are you aware they use numbers in reports ? Pachter forgot a zero, and that got translated into this crappy article that should have mentioned 20 years instead.
go back to your foxhole. nobody on N4G cares about your existence.
why is winning a "console war" only about sales? I think is about Quality over Quantity. Because come on the Wii can sale all the consoles they want but they can't keep people playing 4games for the rest of their life. And for me the PS3 has the best games and at the price it is right now, is the best value you can get. Heck i bought the 60GB system when it lauched at the highest price it was and i don't regret a single penny.
Bob Dole also bought a shiny 60gb PS3 with all the backwards compatability and everything. Being able to play Shadow of the Colossus on it is very nice! :D
i think the ps3 will eventually overtake the 360 but it will take around 3-4 years from now. I would back that up on why i think so.. but i cant be bothered...
If that's what he think, then that's him. you guys are not obligated to believe him at all, why all the HATE here?? just agree or disagree in a civilised matters guys, oh yeah and RELAX.
speculating all days long...! wrong or right it dont matter....only have to speculate and make fanboys rage!
Oh my god..another "xboxfanboy" article..you are destroying this site. PS3 will never beat the xbox360 in 3RL number...FACT!
Yeah, but it will still happen, and PS3 will still come in second in this gen Wii first
No it won't because of a couple of reasons: 1. Recession. And we've seen the impact on PS3 sales after september and the 360 being more recessionproof. Recession will remain at least untill well in 2010. 2. Price advantage the 360 had from the start. And Microsoft will keep it that way. If Sony would drop the PS3 to 299 Euro/Dollar, Microsoft would drop the Premium to 149 to 179 Euro/Dollar. With the recession remaining and getting the better versions of multiplats and some great exclusives that are known by many like Halo or Gears of War (note LBP and Killzone aren't that well known/not as big) its a no brainer. Microsoft even can dictate the price. Imagine them dropping the 360 in price another time to force Sony to come down while they can't/still lose on the price and get too much in dept because of it... 3. Also Microsoft has enough money in the bank to make a pricedrop happen without any pain. Sony has troubles and is loosing too much money already. 4. The 360 hardware prices are dropping faster because of the scale of economics and the hardware is cheaper to produce. PS3 hardware, Sony looses more on it, hard to cut prices 5. The gap is as big as a year ago, heck it even grew larger. The 360 would have to stop selling instantly totally and then the PS3 would be able to just CATCH UP not even go in a large lead when selling 8 mln. a year in a year. If the 360 momentum would drop to 50% of its current sales it would take at least 2 years. Which won't happen also, because we've seen in history that the cheaper console simply sells more. The mass of people buy around or under 200 Euro/Dollar. The PS3 won't hit that price within the next year, maybe after 2 years from now. You fail it will remain PS3rd this gen.
how the fk is ps3 loseing 360 has been out a year longer 360 is leading in the usa and no were ells get you facts right people
Wrong. The 360 is also a million ahead in sales in the PAL area...
hey lets all just start speculating and make our own articles and see if it gets posted
FFXIII in JP will make PS3 cut 360's SMALL lead. Price cut will have PS3 neck to neck in a year after the cut.
which means the second and third place consoles will be in a heated battle for at least a few years and it will push them to have great content all around for all to enjoy. Great obsevation eagle21! once again you prove why you are the most inteligent person here on N4G. cheers! :D
Maybe you gave me my honors degree. I thought it was the dean of business that hot day in May. :) "Obsevation" is spelled; observation. Your other replies to me today have errors too.
Still flexing that degree and being a grammar queen I see. No wonder so many people disslike you here. But then again, that`s the kind of attention you like, which says alot about you. but let`s try to stay on topic here now, so I`ll just repeat my reply to your comment. Which means the second and third place consoles will be in a heated battle for at least a few years and it will push them to have great content all around for all to enjoy. Do you agree with this? Or do you you just want to continue telling us how good at english grammar you are and how you cleary think having your degree makes you better then other people.
I have "the number one" system as well. I always buy Sony and Nintendo. I am very honest, so I will leave this post before I get banned about 360 and my humble hands on review of it. :) Insecurity is why you mock me. Get motivated. Enjoy the games that WOW you. I'll do the same. Do you really think I feel my opinion is best? I read opinions on N4G!
lol, no, you will speak of it! now! ;D
when did I mock you? I'm just messing with you, you really need to relax dude. And all I do enjoy games, not just praise a console. oh, and mock people that praise consoles.
hey eagle. tell me what university you went to. .. I just want to make sure i *don't* enroll there for my postgrad. :)
What you xbasement boys don't seem to get through your thick skulls is that no matter if M$ releases a new console before the rest of the competition it won't matter because the console that lasts the longest on the market will ultimately be the so called "winner" of this current gen. Funny how all of a sudden the console war is won when a new console hits the market NO!