Valve founder Gabe Newell presented a very different model for how the gaming industry should work during his keynote at the DICE Summit this evening, one that would radically change the lives of gamers.
Does it include not ignoring potential audience, fans and stopping slinging mud at consoles you should also be making games for? EDIT: "-Gaming consoles that connect gamers to game studios: Given that most of Newell’s ideas are more easily executed on PCs, Newell wound up fielding a question from New York Times reporter Seth Schiesel about how any of this can work for creators and consumers of console games. After all, Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony exert control over game makers that doesn’t exist on the PC where Valve reaches consumers through Steam. (You can’t picture Microsoft allowing Xbox Live Arcade developers to repeatedly change the price of their released games, can you?). Newell thinks that consoles makers who don’t allow the kinds of things he described throughout his talk would be making a decision akin to, a decade ago ignoring 3D graphics and sticking just with 2D. It won’t be better graphics that determines a winner in the next console generation (which, of course, it never has been: see the N64, Xbox and PS3). It’ll be the extent to which a console allows game creators “to have this relationship with your customers.” The “this” is everything bullet-pointed above. Maybe Bungie is closest to achieving this" Note; “to have this relationship with your customers.” ...Hypocrite.
A relationship with customers? Is that why he ignores the PS3 and the fans who own ps3's?
If the gaming world ran according to Gabe Newell's ideas, I'd shoot myself in the face. We'd be playing expansion pack after expansion pack on an outdated engine. His vision works fine for PC gaming, because PC gaming is having a lot of problems from a business standpoint (pirating games, software compatibility, losing shelf space to console games, little to no advertising, DRM, etc). However, his system would throw a massive monkey wrench into the console market, which is JUST starting to see the fruits of online integration.
Last time I checked, Sony wouldn't fit into Newell's world either, right? Therefore, I can't join into his dream. Haha. 12
Quit whining and get with the program you silly fanboys. No matter how much of the typical hating you do it will never hurt the image of Gabe in the industry. Just because the man doesn't like PS3 doesn't mean he's an idiot.
Gabe has a lot of flaws in his thinking. All this works on the assumption that A) everyone is using a PC and B) everyone has decent internet. Price chaning annoys me and typically if it's too costly instore, I move to online (amazon, ebay in a pinch) to get games. Typically it becomes a waiting game and I don't always like feeling burned that I paid or waited a long time for a cheaper price. There are other avenues to explore. 63 'updates' makes TF2 look like a very, very flawed game. It's nice that you can update so frequently, but at the same time, why can't you make something right the first time, you did take like 6 years to make the game. DRM is still DRM and we don't want it. DRM works best when it just isn't practical to copy (such as a Blu-Ray disk. I have other things to do than pirate upto 50GB of game and try and store that somewhere.) Really, Gabe's vision is short sighted and narrow. I believe he's long over due for a stepdown from Valve. As is it looks like Valve is on its way to being the next EA (remember when they were a humble company with quality?)
that he means well. But the fact is Devs cant constantly be updating old games. Not all gamers will keep playing games like TF for 3 years. Especially console gamers. They are a different breed. Me as a console gamer love to see new IPs. I dont keep playing the same games over and over(cept a very short list of old school). I want freh and shiny and new. So for now we can keep things the way they are The pricing I feel is a huge step in the right direction. However a new map pack every 3 weeks for COD4 would surely be welcomed =P
@ candystop Where did I mention the PS3? Your fanboy colors are showing...
Data-mine customers' Computers...What a brilliant idea! While I'm at it let me shut off my antivirus and firewall and let every other threat known to exist onto my PC. Umm....no, sorry. I'll continue to play games the way they're made and delivered now. Always has worked, always will work.
GWAVE: I think he was talking to "The Twelve". Gabe Newell is one hell of a programmer, I will give him that much. I wouldn't go as far as calling him a Microsoft fanboy by any means, so what if he doesn't support the PS3? He supported the PS2 and made some high quality ports on the console to boot. Back on topic, he obviously knows what he is on about if he was able to create a service like Steam. Although I'd rather have my physical copy of PC games. He even supported the Dreamcast, a shame they canceled the Half Life port, it was almost finished!
Quote - "Really, Gabe's vision is short sighted and narrow." You're joking right? Steam was short sighted? His entire speech at DICE was pretty much how powerful a platform it was, how connected to the customers they were. Digital distribution, having instant access to your customers, knowing exactly what the hardware landscape is, automatic updating, DRM that works - you call that short sighted? Just today, EA announced that SecuROM was being dropped from Red Alert 3 on Steam - http://store.steampowered.c... - that's more about being short sighted right? Retail games are being released by third parties which are Steam only. You can't even purchase NBA 2K9 on Steam, yet it requires it to run. Quote - All this works on the assumption that A) everyone is using a PC and B) everyone has decent internet." That's the same as saying that Sony is too narrow by ignoring the Wii market. And you contradict your first point, by claiming that everyone needs decent internet, like its some mythological place in the future, very short sighted eh? That ignores the fact that Retail purchases complement Steam. You don't need a massive pipe to activate a retail install. It might cost you an extra 20 minutes (I have no idea how long activation actually takes), but you can then set your account offline and play the unpatched game. Valve have a platform on PC, they have 20 million active accounts. Even in a recession, they're going to be rolling in the money. Sure, there's competition coming, (do you think GFWLive would have been free had it not been for Steam?), Stardock are doing some interesting things, so are gog.com. But I welcome that, Valve are going to have to fight for the market, and that means better services for customers.
GAMING world needs MOAR CHEESEBURGERS!
fat jokes on a Gabe Newel story? I am shocked! N4G users at their best as usual.. *rolls eyes*
While you were rolling your eyes, Gabe Newell stole your donuts.
Keep up the good work Gabe. Can't thank you enough for Left 4 Dead, The Orange Box and Portal: Still Alive. HL Episode 3 next?
and thats why Wii fit exists
So what if Gabe Newell is fat? So are a majority of gamers!
His keynote says he wants to expand his Steam distribution and make more money. I wish his keynote include talk about obesity.
Definitely. That guy needs to get off of his butt sometime. He's so freaking FAT.
"In my world of gaming, I don't see why cheeseburgers can't be used as currency to my products. A brand new game would cost 15 cheeseburgers, and expansions would be 2 cheeseburgers each." "All this new technology is really confusing with multi-core processors, so we should just have things stay exactly the same, so we don't have to learn anything different." "Ideally, people should just play versions of Half-Life forever. God forbid we do anything new or different."
the first one was a bit off..
On DRM issue i can see that as one possibility to fight piracy but no matter how loose the restrictions are and how cheap you think your selling the game its still not cheaper then free.
That is... until you get paid to play. Think about, won't you?
The closest game company to consumers IMO is not Bungie but Insomniac
is that a human being????????
Gabe is a fat man, do you expect him to move fast?
He is absolutely right, hes talkn about patching every small issue or tweak to the game like if people dont want something so powerful they can tweak it down a little bit. Steam updates automatically u dont have to search for a patch its great. And his points are so valid... i mean look at how much of a boost sales left 4 dead got when they made the price bounce back and forth. They know how to make their money, and now since they own left 4 dead means they have valve steam (which u use to play your games) which means u will probably buy other games on steam instead of going to hte store... like hitman blood money, bioshock, etce etc... or any of the other great games... (most big developer games) Which means valve gets a cut of other peoples games they sell ... its hilarious. Money for valve, but very ease of use for all of us. Alot of other game companies screw u after u buy your game... look at crytek... they patched crysis twice and then canceled patch 1.3 so they could release crysis warhead with some fixes.. and they patched that once... in all this time .... games been out ofr a while and its filled with problems. ps. i bought crysis war head on steam :)
Criterion Games says hi.
Gabe is a dik.
Om Nom Nom Nom
I have no idea why this posted twice.
His ideas are good but like someone said, console gamers are different. We pay more for our games so we want a lot of value from it. PC offers FREE updates and maps and such whereas consoles don't. So to keep paying and sinking money into a game isn't going to work. Plus very few titles maintain their online community for an extended period of time.
F*ck you gabe Recognise the PS3 as a leading console
haha My week isn't complete without seeing that picture and all the fat jokes in the Open area fatty fat fat
Fat jokes never get old.
You can't blame him really as he's looking at things from a pretty fixed PC game company perspective as even the 360 is basically like a mid level PC to program for(so I'm told by those not scared of code)and if you think of him that way rather than some horrible looking fat bloke even his ott PS3 views make more sense-it would be more of a pain for Valve to program for PS3 as it's different and he just went too far in the way he said it all cos he couldn't see it from anyone elses pov. He's not anti-PS3 but merely a little stuck in his ways. This shows in his sugfgestions too as they're all fair enoigh IF you game on a PC but Console gamers are different, do pay more for games and expect things to be perfect from the moment of release(kyuk!). He'd be more rounded in his views if he spoke to more console users but the free downloads are great and a good way of getting loyal fans.
I respect Valve as a software company.. well as much as one can but everytime i see a photo of Gabe i just loose all that respect. No wonder he loves pc gaming, it looks as though his fat stubby fingers would smoother a joypad.
Steam uses the same psychology as the oil industry. They constantly overprice gas that should be sold for less, and then when gas drops in price everyone flocks to put gas even though it is still overpriced, only cheaper. The benefit of the internet is price fluctuation which is easier to do than it would be in retail outlets. Valve tricks the consumer with "Deals". Left 4 Dead is not worth 40 dollars. It may be fun as hell but it is not a 40 dollar game. They reduce the price from time to time to get people who are on the fence to purchase the game even though the reduced priced point is still higher than the initial cost should have been, so you see constant profit under the guise of "Deals".
Actually left 4 dead is worth way more hten 40 dollars... its worth 60 or more id say... not because left 4 dead is fun or addictive or replayable. No... its because you can play all halflife 2 mods with only left 4 dead. You dont have to buy half life 2 to play half life 2 mods its great! Its like getting 20 games in 1. 20 games that are all more creative then the crap fps coming out these days... cause they are different made by people who make them for fun not to make money :)
I understand what you are saying, but what you are arguing is intrinsic value. I am talking about monetary value. Most family heirlooms aren't worth much monetarily but the objects gain intrinsic value based on the passing of generation to generation over time. Worth in this sense is based on individual opinion. As far as what it cost to make Left 4 Dead and within the values set by the games market, Left 4 Dead is grossly overpriced in relation to its monetary value. Mods, in this instance, have no relevance to the argument.
You should probably think of the $49.00 as an investment. The game will continue to grow with added content. Also all the games I've seen on Steam are reasonably priced, and only on Steam will you get the occasional 10% off. You'll never see that in a retail chain, not on any game. It's also interesting that you think of PC games as overpriced when console games cost more and have only ever increased in price.
Everything you purchase is an investment. If your happy paying those prices for your games more power to you. I am simply saying that in reality most downloadable games on Steam are over priced in relation to their production costs. I was merely using Left 4 Dead as an example of how the Steam business model works. It is meant to make the consumer feel like they are getting a good deal when in reality they are still paying a lot more for something that should be a lot less.
I can't agree with the constant flux of pricing. If people don't like it when pumping gas into their cars, then who will like it when buying games?
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