Their flagship Blu-ray player, the BDP-S1, has been pushed back again, this time all the way to October 25th. What was once slated to release last month will now see a five month delay!
At the last minute they're going to do the same to the PS3. Delay it.
If they can't get a stand alone Blu Ray player to work they sure as hell ain't got the ps3 to work!! The PS3 Delay will be announced but not for another few months!!
The ps3 will not come out this year, It cant there's still so many problems, so many malfunctions, it's 1 big major bottleneck that has yet to play an entire demo w/o locking up. Seriously it's gonna be febuary 2007. I keep saying it. It's so clear. Sony needs to get on the ball if they plan to salvage this system.
Interesting this so take it that this will have a corresponding impact on the ps3 release date? They should adopt the HD dvd drive and forget bluray until the next gen consoles when they have the tech fully developed and can take advantage of cheaper production.
This way at the mo they will be late for the HD DVD v Bluray war and be 2x the cost of the competition. I smell another betamax blunder for Sony which they can ill afford.
or do the smart thing. make it a add-on. so if it fails, then the PS3 won't suffer too. it just makes sense.
plus they could release it and you sony fans could be enjoying the next gen along with the 360 owners.
the sooner the better for M$ too. more games more games
If you click on my icon and look at my comment, i just posted a similar thought before before i read yours. I think that pushing this blue ray is too soon. It'll be more practicle in the next round of consoles not now.
Microsoft and Toshiba cought Sony off guard their tech and legal issues are far worse than they would have the public believe. It's a totall mess Sony's in, i would not buy a PS3 out of fear of PS3 having more problems than the PS2 did.
I agree a 100%.
Thats 100 % correct....What comes around goes around. They are now learning what most people figure out early in life.
Next announcement on Blu-Ray = player release delayed until November 17 (or whatever the PS3 release date is), stand alone unit to debut in 2007....
Just kidding really, but it is somewhat odd for Sony to continue to say one thing and do another, definitely a pattern there on recent releases (PSP, PS3, BD players, etc.)
But on the top where people vote cool or lame. There is this guy name Alan, who only vote cool for every Sony news and vote lame for every MS news. But when you press on him he never participated in any conversations. So Alan I would personally like to know what's your thought on this topic?
Alan say's the delay of blu ray is cool!! I think he forgot Sony was including blu ray in the ps3!!
Alan is brainless like Sony. Hi Alan!
Maybe Alan=Ken in real and we know Ken! He can probably only talk Japanese so he doesn't understand it all. Just sees PSZero and clicks cool, sees 360 and clicks lame
honestly, sony, stop it.
PS3 delay next.
I like bashing Sony, to some extent because they are a arrogant company that thinks because they ruled the last 2 gens that nothing can touch them. I applaud their efforts to do something different (BluRay and Cell) of course I like Xbox. I used to be a diehard PS2 fan and then about a year and a half ago i got an Xbox and it was over for my PS2. SOny is in the middle of a real struggle. Akin to fighting a 4-5 front war. The Chinese are killing them by producing cheaper electronics. I own MANY MANY SOny products and I am in the process of buying probably a Sony Grand 60" WEGA HDTV but you know the playstation section of Sony while trying to really push the boundries with PS3 seems to have pushed to far and they are rapidly running out of land. While the xbox fan of me hopes they take the long fall, the gamer in me hopes they launch and do well, it will push MS to go further and short of an absolute disaster MS will be back for Console Wars round 3, in about 5 years. These delays are really fishy though, I can see they doing it to have even more PUSH for people to buy the PS3 because it will be the first BluRay players available from them. Shady yes, but also a little smart. 2 birds with one stone... MS and their BluRay format pushed at one time. I just know that the end of this year will be very interesting.
If they put my next post. You would see a HD DVD recorder is coming out.
Go to view pending news to check it out.
I saw that. Interesting.
Lucid...that is a good point...i did not think about that.
make the ps3 the only blue-ray out. very sneeky but smart too...maybe (could back fire)
The delay of PS3 then the BDP-S1 is very odd to me; it's got me thinking; it might not be just technical blunders that cause the delay, it might be that the launch dates of these products are fake; meaning they know the real release date but give fake ones. But hey it might work for them a little. But it's more than likely shotty hardware. lol
Thats how they crushed the dreamcast. They had people waiting for the ps2 and they always hope their fake release date announcements will get people to wait on them. Thats their strategy to diffuse the desire for the game system that is already available. The thing is we know this now. You can only fool us once. 360 is clearly the better choice...for next gen gaming, pricing, and just overall good business. Microsoft has given us a top notch gaming platform and they have won over the hearts of many gamers. Not on ploys but on delivering what they promised.
Yes, I used to bash Sony, because of their arrogance and lack of respect they showed to gamers and developers (Rockstar for example) with their comments. Now, I give up, behind the scenes they are obviously in trouble, not with the PS3, but with Bluray as a format. Sony I now don't care what you do, and neither do many gamers, each day you are losing respect. Tell the truth for once, yes it will initially look bad but in the long run it will prove far less damaging than constant delays.
Sony and their products. They are really starting to piss me off. Only reason why i might still buy a PS3, is for the Games. But if they delay it one more time, or lie about something in the system, then they can suck a cows tit for all I care
Man, you guys thought you were screwed with delaying your PS3 from Spring to Winter, and copying Xbox 360's strategy of releasing it. Now your new DVD player is delyaed a month before your supposedly PS3 comes out. Honestly, if you guys tell me one more lie about PS3, that includes, false hardware specifications(ie. there is no wifi, or no high quality cell processor) or anything to do with telling it first, then telling something else about it, which is lying, Im gonna have to say "Fuk U" and ill just go and buy a HD DVD add-on for my 360, and really pimp out my 360.
As much as I enjoy watching Sony struggle time and again, I know that we need them in the market as a competitor. If MS ever gets a gaming monopoly, as consumers, we are done for because we will be free game for getting screwed on prices and content. I have to admit I enjoyed my PS2 and never had any problems with it, but when I tried the Xbox I sold my PS2 right away. I am very graphics preferenced with consoles and games, might even consider it priority over gameplay for me. That's one reason I can't stop playing Oblivion, it looks so damned good!
Come on Sony, get it together, and fast!
your a dumbass fanboy that will do anything for bill gates.first you fanboys complain about ps3 price but yet ms tells your dumbass to go buy an dvd 1.5 add on and you going to go buy an 200 dolllar infirior dvd 1.5 drive.
We'll I see the same screens as you and we all know the 360 screens look way better than ps3's... Also Hyperbear is not a big fanboy I have seen his post's before and he is for the ps3 as well!! And who said the HD DRIVE WAS 200$$$.... MS NEVER SAID THAT!! I like how you call it a 1.5 b/c the 1.5 makes your ps3 look like sh!t... who's the fanboy now beatch!
You obviously cant read worth SH!T. You cant spell dollar or inferior. And well, you dont know sh!t. I said I will be buying a PS3, how does that make me a M$ fanboy, huh?. I said if sony were to delay or lie about something again, about the PS3, then I wouldnt buy it, simply because Id rather support a company that has many developers and many games and has potential, then supporting a company, like Sony, who keep lying about stuff in the PS3, and delaying everything. Hey nice to see that Spring launch for the PS3, that launch went buy so fast, it was almost like it didnt even happen. Oh wait, it didnt.
At least someone on this site knows that Im not in favor of M$ all the time. The only time Im in favor of Sony is when new pics or videos come out for PS3 and look awsome, or when they actually say something good about PS3. At least he knows Im not a total fanboy like you gametime.
So go watch yourself now kiddy
gametime what part of add-on are you not understanding?(it saves people $250 + its risky with new format built in). Lametime you're level of fanboyism can't be healthy mentally.
Exactly... How can you say FORCING people to buy your pseudo-wannabe standard and pay the $200 is better than saying... Hey, if you want it... Here it is. Besides if HDDVD dumps then MS just works with Samsung and a BluRay Player is born. Its actually smart if you rub those braincells together and they saved money on the console price and the money they lose per unit. Why force your customers to be a unwitting participant in a new DVD format struggle. Sony will damn sure be using the figures forom the PS3 to support how well BluRay is selling, that is one of the reasons they are doing it in the PS3.
I think the delays are very real. Sony stockholders are not happy right now. This is bad for public relations. Just think about how many of you are or were PS 2/3 fans and are now either lost or pissed off or trying to ruin others fun. It is all not worth it in my opinion. It is like having a crush on a girl and she knows she has you by the sack so she leads you on and uses the possibility of a date for her personal gain. Sony needs to come clean, but I kind of fell like being anoints right now will hurt them.
Is to delay stand-alone blu-ray players to the point that people would rather pick up a PS3. S, either this means that they are worried not enough GAMERS will buy their infernal machine, or they are worried about the format itself. Releasing stand-alone players early that have quality or reliablility problems would damn-near be a death knell for the PS3, because who would buy a PS3, knowing it probably has inferior (cheaper) blu-ray tech, when the high-end stand-alone players are crap? Releasing only one month before the PS3 means that even if there are problems, there isn't enough time for most consumers to hear about it. This, coupled with Sony's noted lack of customer service (Ps2 drive issues, anyone?) means that anyone who would buy a PS3 at launch is an idiot.
What if...just what if...Sony delayed the Blue Ray player so it doesnt take away from their PS3 sales. Its not like the rest of the Blue Ray player got delayed. Pioneer and all the others are still on schedual.
Lets start throwing the rocks!!! lol. Just playing guy.
Sony is loosing many sales not having the stand alone out!! Hard core electronic junkies aren't waiting for Sony's Blu Ray player to release they are going to get the 1 thats out when they are released!! Whoever brought up the point of them waiting so the ps3 sales are higher could be right but at the same time why even have a stand alone then!!??
we see the same thing from different angles and I can agree with yours also. GOod point.
Pushing back the players launch will have PS3 and the BDP-S1 out around the same time and people will see the fully featured player and all it has to offer, but the price will be a problem to most consumers, at the same time Sony can say well if you can't afford the BDP-S1 you can purchase a PS3 at a bargon. little do most people know the stand alone players are far better in quality and have far more capabilities.
but then $1300 for a dvd player. But some people are crazy like that, and im sure Sony and whoever else is putting it out, may make a little money, but you can prolly buy a cheap car for that much.
When are the other players like Pioneer ect. coming out? is it sooner than later?. Or are the other players launching closer to the PS3 launch.
Actually Samsung's is already out. I wonder how they beat Sony to the market with their own product?
I can only say this about Slownly (isn't that a great name for them which represents Slow for all the delay and Sony in one name!):
its funny i knew 1000 xbox 1.5 fanboys would respond to what i said.pro logic add on or not MS wants you to buy dvd 1.5 drive to watch movies for 200 dollars and you cant even play games on it.
So go watch yourself now kiddy
Oh yeah the 360 is next gen right here, right now.
The PS2 sold a lot? WHO FREAKING CARES only loosers with a few bucks do. Even homeless people own a PS2 nowadays just to cut their bread on while they don't have a tv and energy to play on it.
360 sold 5 million by the end of this month
PSZero sold ZERO nada
BetaBluRay is delayed... Again... PSZero if it ever comes out and Fony won't go bankrupt (with 500 million dollars loss in the first 3 months of this year WHOWWWWWW) looks like getting delayed again
A XBOX 1.5 is always more then a PSZero ssj
I buy the console for games not movies beatch!! You on the other hand are buying the ps3 for the cheap a@@ low end blu ray drive and technology your tv can't handle. Most likely your tv cant handle no 1080p!! Blu Ray is gonna flop!! HD DVD is 500$ and the picture is awsome!
People that like movies will spend $500 on the stand alone HD-DVD. No cares if you can play games on a Blu-Disc exept fanboys and some dev's, everybody here knows more about video games than the people that work at the gaming stores. So you're opinion is null. Every time i talk to an game store employee im teaching them somthing new.
He thinks we have to pay $200 for an add-on HD-DVD player. No we dont have to, I wont, and a bunch of others wont. So no gametime, we dont have to buy anything.
He also believes he is getting his Blu-Ray player Free! Sony isnt charging extra for their bluray, they arent making people go out later and spend $200, they are giving theirs away for Free inside the PS3.
What an idiot. With the way he thinks about economics, there is no way he can afford a PS3.
SSJ isnt going to get a PS3!!! Ha Ha Ha LoL LoL
Yoda's sssoooo cute!!! down with impire!!!
Could it be that there is nothing wrong with the Blu-ray player, they are just tring to get the coordinated release that they said they were going to try and make since August of last year????? Just a thought.
If Sony were to get a $1000 + unit to market now (as planned) it would be able to build up considerable buzz for Blu-Ray on the backs of the wealthy early-adopter HT crowd. Then when it came time to release PS3 in Novemeber, they could point to the stand alone and say, "look at THAT quality, and you are going to get the plaback funcationality of BD in your PS3.."
No, delaying the release can only mean hardware difficulty, and no matter how you slice that, BD problems this close to the time Sony MUST be ramping up production for a Novemeber launch of PS3 is a disaster.
I am sure there will be a "release" in November, but I am betting it won't be more than a few thousand units at most (not the millions promised) - kind of liek what Toshiba did with HD-DVD = they released a few thousand units rather than delay the launch. anyone familiar with the industry knows that hasn't worked out so well for Toshiba. Their first run players had bugs, did not perform very well and will require firmware updates to be fully functional and have better response times.
Now translate those problems (inherent in ANY new tech release such as HD-DVD or BD) and apply them to BD and PS3. A rushed product will have some or all of the following bugs at release:
2) disc read erros
3) tracking errors
4) DVD-9 and CD compatability errors
5) long load times as the hardwarse struggles to find the correct tracks
...and the list will go on and on and on...
I am curious to see a side-by-side HD-DVD and Blu-Ray comparison live and in person. From everything I have heard, it is essentially indistinguishable in video quality, whichs begs the question, if my eyes can't see the difference, will my hand still pull out twice as much money from my wallet to pay for it????
Everybody here knows that Blu-ray was on sale in Japan in 2003, right? And if I'm not mistaken, Sony was the first to market a player...so I don't think the delay has anything to do with technical problems (unless the U.S. government got drift of a brainwashing device hidden in Sony's Blu-ray player that would make all viewers hardcore Sony fans and Sony is now scrambling to get those devices out....) But seriously, I think most of you guys have nailed it on the head. I think Sony wanted to release their Blu-ray player as close to the PS3 launch as possible (it would save on advertising/promoting/educatin g the public) but also had to contend with HD-DVD, so they decided to have these "release" dates just to steal a little thunder away from HD-DVD. Have we heard of this tactic before?
I believe that the only Blu-Ray available in Japan since 2003 has been the recordable data drives, NOT movies and actual players.
I freely admit that I could be wrong on that, but I don't think so. If Blu_Ray players were already available in Japan, this latest delay would be even MORE astoudning. Why, if you have a working technology available would you delay its release to market at a time when your company is going down by the head in losses on developing the format? Just to see how big the hole can get before trying to get out?
No, the fact is that Sony delaying their Blu-Ray players is not a good thing for them or for people waiting patiently for their PS3's.
I could care less really, because I have more than enough games to keep all of my free time occupied for years at the rate I play with just my PS2 and XB360, and I have no illusions about actually seeing (yet alone owning) a PS3 until very late spring 2007 or later. I just want to see the HD optical formats side by side to start making my decision about which format I will be more apt to buy...
Yah i'v noticed Sony's been doing alot of Coordinating last minute motion sensing, guide buttons, online service, coping the custumization feature's of Toshiba's HD-DVD, the power brick, two SKU's, keeping the PS3 from melting, crome finish on PS3, ect.
President, Sony Computer Entertainment
Remember the Betamax debacle? Sony seems to have forgotten all about it. Under Kutaragi, who is the power behind Sony's PlayStation videogame consoles, the company is launching another format war with its Blu-Ray high-definition videodisc, the successor to the venerable DVD. Unfortunately, the PlayStation 3, which was supposed to put Blu-Ray into millions of living rooms, is months late and hundreds of dollars more expensive than competing consoles from Microsoft and Nintendo - largely because it includes one-of-a-kind technologies like Blu-Ray. The delays and cost overruns are likely to make both the PS3 and Blu-Ray nonstarters.
CNN Money has never hidden the fact that they are slightly opposed to all forms of big business, but are firmly opposed to all forms of foriegn business when it competes with a US based company. So anything taken from there should be looked at and taken into consideration with that bias in mind, of course CNN Money is going to make a negative statement against sony right now, cause it is competing with US owned Microsoft. if Microsoft had no competetion on the foreign market (look back to what cnn money used to say about Microsoft being the next Bell Monopoly) then it would only report negatively involving it. please learn that there are bias to all major news, and that should be taken into account before you try and prove a point.
Than where should I get my news since every place is bogus.
I'm just saying to use your brain and think. don't take what anyone tells you as absolute fact and truth. there is bias in all forms of the media, and that should be accepted and noted when reading it. I actually check CNN.com everyday, but i understand what they are going to lean towards when i read an article. if you want true news, then find multiple sources for news articles. don't read just one location. try also looking for it on bbc's website, or check some other business news sites and such, don't quote something from CNN money as truth, it is their opinion of facts, so get more than one side to a story, and then figure out what the truth is
BetaBluRay delays, PS3 delayed (and will again)
and now one month till HD-DVD is ready
Next gen gaming? Right here right now 360
Toshiba get it going:
why are you guys trying to bash sony and the ps3. if it wasn't for sony we would all be sitting home playing 2D games. sony PS1, kicked XBOX as#, and trust me they will againg. why are you guys acting like peter Moore is your father and loves your broke selfes. him sony, nintendo, and MS are trying to benefit from us. (i am a sony fan that owns a 360).
The same here guy. I have a 360. I also have about 5 Sony products in my house. So what's your point about the bashing? Thats the problem with people, say a few things about Sony on this site and right away some one wants to assume you're a Sony hater. Move On!
You wanna know why were burning Sony and PS3. Its because of this fanhomo, gametime. He is literally pissing all of us off, he is like the new ssj, or sonyISgod or w/e he goes by now, but its because of ppl like him who keep saying Xbox 360 sucks, that we keep dissing him and PS3.
The transition to HD-DVD requires minimal infrastructure investment, whereas the transition to Blu-ray requires massive infrastructure investment. As it stands now, you can practically buy a stand-alone HD-DVD player and upwards of 10 to 20 HD-DVD’s for the price of a stand-alone Blu-ray player. Thus, even though Sony is including a Blu-ray drive in the PS3, the format war is far from won. This is especially true when you consider that HD-DVD is the only format that can contain both a DVD-9 movie and a high definition HD-DVD movie on one disk. So to the extent that DVD-9’s still hold ground, HD-DVD will be the sole beneficiary and then when these people go to upgrade their players, they will already have a large library of HD-DVD movies. Furthermore, with up-conversion becoming more and more popular and the differences between DVD-9 and HD-DVD / Blu-ray becoming less obvious, the higher price of Blu-ray over HD-DVD will be even more pronounced.
I personally believe that the winner of the next-gen format war will therefore be DVD-9’s and players that read both HD-DVD and Blu-ray disks. Obviously, Microsoft is in a far better position than Sony is to adapt an external HD-Drive for the 360, based on the realities of the changing marketplace. However, the biggest advantage that the 360 will have over the PS3 is that it doesn’t have any HD-Drive as standard. You see contrary to what Sony wants you to believe; a Blu-ray drive will offer very minimal benefits for games and their decision to include it in the PS3 amounts to really nothing more than a cross-subsidization / format war leveraging stance. Please refer to the following link to understand why DVD-9’s are still an appropriate storage medium for high definition games (as though Oblivion wasn’t proof enough):
Meanwhile, Sony has given the most prolific software company in the world a one year head start with a system that for all intensive purposes is just as (if not more powerful) than the PS3. Including Blu-ray has also handed Microsoft (which is in far better financial shape than Sony) the price mechanism to adjust the price of the 360 – so as to essentially assure Microsoft victory in the next-generation. This is of course very serious for PS3 owners because the games tend to gravitate where the install base is and the 360’s superior development environment will further exasperate the PS3’s shortcomings.
Still if you are a Sony fan then you are happy because regardless of how poorly the PS3 does against the 360, Sony stands to establish a foothold for Blu-ray in the upcoming format war and in the bigger picture that is good because Sony stands on making large amounts of profits from the resulting Blu-ray royalties. However, if you are a Playstation fan then you are probably not happy because it should be obvious that Sony’s priority was not about making the best GAMES machine at the most affordable price possible. As for me, well as a techie and an economist I will love to see Sony be dethroned this generation because it will mean they didn’t get away with abusing their consumer loyalty base and it will mean that Microsoft will be rewarded for better internalizing consumer's interests in the gaming market.
Peace, sincerely an ex-Sony fan and newly created Microsoft fan.
Actully JVC has been able to put a Blu-Ray and DVD-9 on one disk. Thought you migt want to know.
It definately does change the equation a bit but I still do think that it was a mistake for Sony to include a Blu-ray in the PS3 and that the upcoming format war will end in a draw :)
Have a good one and PS: JVC seems to have it together lately and are definately becoming an innovative force in the electronic industry.
seriously, it brought a tear to my eye... beautiful.
Great post and well said Burly. I agree completely.
"Still if you are a Sony fan then you are happy because regardless of how poorly the PS3 does against the 360,"
ahh i think xbox 1.5 fans should be worried about how poor it is going to do against the ps3 with sony having 70% of the gamimg market.
ssj go away
and watch yourself
XBOX 1.5 is always better then a PSZero
360 sold 5 million by the end of this month
PSZero sold ZERO NADA