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Submitted by Hated Greatness 1893d ago | article

Killzone 2 demo disappoints, will the full game follow suit?

The demo of Killzone 2 is finally out and, while there are reviews already pouring out for this game, we figured that it was worth giving our own opinion on what we've played anyway. Quentyn from AnalogHype.com treads through his thoughts on the demo, with absolutely no fluff to get in the way. (Killzone 2, PS3)

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blackboyunltd  +   1893d ago
killzone 2 will flop
and the ps3 will flop right after and so will god of flop 3!
Bathyj  +   1893d ago
oooo look whose got nothing to play just like last year.

F*k off idiot.
pwnsause  +   1893d ago
yea its going to disappoint, that's why the metacritic score is above 90...Stupid. Do yourself a favor and go masturbate to a blow up doll.
rucky  +   1893d ago
Hey pp
Helghast Slayer  +   1893d ago
LOL the haters keep popping up with different names. How's this for a flop, killzone 2 is played almost every day by the people on my friends list and it's a pretty long list.

The xbrat extremists don't have a single AAA game worth playing for almost half this year and possibly the rest. Keep hoping KZ2 will fail and as for GOW3? well lets just say i expect a lot of 360 extremist to be found without a brain in their basements.
cryymoar  +   1893d ago
bu bu but DLC..

/idiot xbot

So uh, whats everyone's PSN so we can play KZ2 at launch?
LeonSKennedy4Life  +   1893d ago
Rucky
You are full of win today. That was beautiful.
redsquad  +   1893d ago
@Blackboyunitd, aka whatever you call yourself...
If the concept of good games on ALL systems terrifies you into making such infantile statements then I feel sorry for you.
Seriously, your life must be so feeble and worthless to spend SO MUCH of your time rubbishing something you do not and never will own.

I mean LOOK AT YOU! Taking time out of your life to continually bleat the same banal rubbish over, and over, and over... It's like apes throwing their own excrement in a zoo.

Do you honestly believe that's the behavior of a 'normal person'? Do you think you're achieving something? Do you believe you have a 'great mission' and are some sort of champion of the gaming world?

You used to make me angry (I know, I should have known better), but now I just boggle at your childishness. Take a deep breath, step back and think about what you're doing - You MAY come to realize what an enormous fool you're making of yourself.
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chewy317  +   1893d ago
LOL! Fking Xbots are all celebrating now! Who the hell approved this article, this article is so full of fail, an article about the killzone 2 demo disappointing? DISAPPOINT WHO?? WHO IS DISSAPOINTED BY THE DEMO LOLOLOL
Sir Ken_Kutaragi  +   1893d ago
WHAT???
Best Demo Ever!!! ;-P
jlouis  +   1893d ago
All xbox lovers wish that the games they can't own will flop. Because that just means that you bought the wrong console, and don't have the money to get the best.
Bits-N-Kibbles  +   1893d ago
mmmm
please take this ignorant child's bubbles
terrandragon  +   1893d ago
I like how people automatically assume that it's a Xbot.
thebudgetgamer  +   1893d ago
yea no
tell that to the people that played that 7 minute demo 20 to 30 times already. me being one of them

:)

edit:i know not everyone is not going to like things you like but i can respect people that bring viable points to their argument, and not just be angry and hateful.

below: once i shot a barrel it flew and hit on of the helghan right in the face
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Cwalat  +   1893d ago
i've been playing the demo for 200 times now.

wtf are they talking about, "not good" ?

in the warehouse.. kill all helghast without exploading a barrell..
before you finish the demo... go back down to the warehouse and have experiments with the barrels.

i once shot a larger barrell... it flew up like a rocket... circulated the area... came back on me from behind.. and i blew up to the top of the roof where the guy with the SG14 was standing...

i dont know bout you ppl, but i had a blast playing the demo
Trollimite  +   1893d ago
WHAT
WHO IN GODS NAME WAS DISSAPOINTED. i played the same demo 1000 times and it stll feels new this article is a shame
arika  +   1893d ago
hohum... another fanboy article.
i am a fan of fps games. i have played a lot of first person shooters namely: half life 1 & 2, cod 3 & 4 and fear 1 and when i played the demo(played it 50 times already) of killzone 2, it just blew every single fps game that i know out of the water. it took everything that is good on other shooters and added some original touches with cover system, great story and of course an absolutely stunning graphics engine that is unparalleled by any game on any console and you have a game that went above and beyond the hype and become the first game of the year contender as what most review sites have stated.
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Kushan  +   1893d ago
I play a LOT of FPS games and I didn't think it was anything particularly special, either.
I know I'm going to get a million disagrees for even saying such a thing, but it's only my little opinion and nothing to get bent out of shape for.
It really didn't do anything for me, it was very short and I didn't see anything particularly revolutionary in there. Even the cover system has been done before in lesser games, but apart from that, it felt like yet ANOTHER FPS.
Looked good, though.
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N4Sony  +   1893d ago
Opinion is only worth caring about
when it's pro-Sony.

Of course, this individual's opinion obviously has been influenced by Bill's bank account. It could be the only explaination for his dissapointment with the Killzone 2 demo. Now, I do disagree. I think the Killzone 2 demo is freaking amazing and truthfully I've played the demo around 10 full times. However, because this man doesn't like it as much as the rest of us, let's crucify him. Only on N4G. However, when he comes out and says that Halo Wars, or some 360 exclusive is garbage, he'll be carried through the halls of Sony headquarters by 80% of N4G on a golden Emperor's seat.
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thebudgetgamer  +   1893d ago
@ kushan: thats how you feel i cant be mad at that
at least you voiced reason and didnt just go for the killzone sucks or something stupid

:)
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Aaron Greenterd  +   1893d ago
Kushan
Thank you for being such a loyal customer, and thank you for pretending that you have a PlayStation 3 so you can make yourself look like a gamer. You and I both know by the way you spend those MS points, there's no possible way you could afford a ps3, and even if you could, your emotional well-being depends on your Live activity and the belief that your system is the best. We all know that if this "yet ANOTHER FPS" was on the 360 your eyes would be red-ringing until the 27th.

By the way, here is the memo I sent to these guys regarding Killzone 2:

http://farm4.static.flickr....
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Kushan  +   1893d ago
@thebudgetgamer

Thanks - I'm trying to be as diplomatic as possible there (I wouldn't say "Killzone 2 sucks" because a) I'm more tactful than that and b) I don't think it sucks at all, it just didn't WOW me as much as it did others), I'm glad someone appreciates it lol
sonarus  +   1893d ago
There is no delay with the controls at least not on mine. I have heard the delay is limited to certain consoles...i have no idea. All i know is the demo i played had no delay. You can say it turns slow but turning slow DOES NOT mean delay
Kushan  +   1893d ago
@Aaron Greenterd
"Thank you for being such a loyal customer, and thank you for pretending that you have a PlayStation 3 so you can make yourself look like a gamer. You and I both know by the way you spend those MS points, there's no possible way you could afford a ps3, and even if you could, your emotional well-being depends on your Live activity and the belief that your system is the best. We all know that if this "yet ANOTHER FPS" was on the 360 your eyes would be red-ringing until the 27th."

Hey Aaron, this is for you: http://i43.tinypic.com/2v2a...

(Ignore my piss poor handwriting).

What's that? A PS3? But I couldn't POSSIBLY own one! Hell I couldn't even afford one!
And yes that's Halo 3 sitting under LBP, I put it there for posterity.

Try again, Aaron, you utter Failure.

Related image(s)
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Oner  +   1893d ago
...
I know I am going to get no end of crap for this but here goes....

Video clearly showing the timed based delay issue
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And another
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And a perfect example of unwarranted re-adjustments @ 1:23 - 1:32 but specifically at 1:27-1:32
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And a comparison to Resistance 2 on how much sharper the response time is
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Sorry guys, but I am one of the people who clearly feel, see & notice the issue. I am not saying nor believe KZ2 sucks or is bad in any way shape or form, but the controls are not up to my standards and it detracts from the immersion/experience enough that I have to really re-think me picking up my already paid for in full pre-order and rent it to see if it is addressed or just in the demo build.

Please understand I am not a bot, I am not trying to crap on GG, Sony or anything else in that manner. I am 100% honestly bummed that the controls aren't accurate in it's implementation. I personally don't believe it is about the weight characteristic or it's mechanics (though I have to comment that why does the Handgun or Knife feel like the Rocket Launcher or a fully loaded Rifle?). Simply there is a timed based delay that affects the start point and the end point when you release; as if it starts 250ms later it will end 250ms later as well affecting all subsequent re-adjustments. The last thing about this I have to say is this would only be an improvement and would not change or hurt the game at all. It would just tighten up the response time when you input an action so the weight and feel will still be there thus the game will be the same but the re-action will be tighter.

I truly wish to enjoy this great title but if it's not fun to me then I cannot rightfully spend my money on it and will have to cash out my paid in full pre-order payment. Especially if it is still evident in the full retail version just as it has been proven in numerous videos of the demo already.....But again I have to stress and let it be known that I whole heartedly want the game to succeed in every way...even if without my enjoyment or contribution.

Edit: I have to add this

Earlier today I finished my 7th or 8th re-download of KZ2 (as suggested on the PS Forums) on my secondary PS3 (20gb) and this last download seems to have a better response time (weird I know)...so I might not have to cancel my fully paid pre-order just yet from GS. I will probably rent it to see first then if it is acceptable to me I'll pick up my copy. Which I really want to be able to do as I don't want to miss out on this game.
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thebudgetgamer  +   1893d ago
kushan
what is that next to your ps3?

above i have personally not had the lag people are complaining about not saying you are wrong just never happened

edit: i see it now i was talking about the bob blu-ray at first glance i thought i was a piece of electronics but that's cause i am blind
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25  +   1893d ago
um
the only thing that disappointed me in the demo is that it ended too quickly. I've had fun just shooting those gas canisters and died intentionally so that i could kill more higgs.
Kushan  +   1893d ago
thebudgetgamer: TO the left of the PS3 is the Band of Brother's Blu-ray box set, Under the PS3 is a SONY sound system for my 5.1 and to the right are a couple of games (Little big planet obviously and under that is Halo 3). I think that disk you see on the right is the first disk to the Matrix (DVD only, I'm afraid).
And underneith is the mass of cables that connects that stuff together with my 360, PC, printer and God knows what else.

EDIT: At Aaron below:

I'm being a "d!ick" about PS3 games? Now how did you come to that conclusion based on the fact that all I said was that Killzone 2 didn't "wow" me? I even stated that I didn't think it "sucked" or anything, just that it didn't do anything for me. Adding to that, I also stated that it was MY opinion and nothing more - would you rather I stated YOUR opinion as if it was my own? Would that make you feel better?
And yes - that IS Halo 3 sitting there and no, it's not the most amazing game ever. In fact, I've barely played the game's singleplayer and I only jump into the multiplayer maybe once every few months (right now I'm addicted to COD4 and 5) and you can check this yourself by looking at my profile - my gamertag is "neoKushan".
Other PS3 games I own - GT5: Prologue, Ratchett and Clank, Warhawk (With the headset), Resistence: FOM and Uncharted off the top of my head. The big exclusives, really. Oh and KZ2 is on preorder still.
Anything else?

Edit AGAIN: Right, so let me get this straight, you ask me questions to try and determine my motives and if I'm being genuine, then when I answer them apparently I'm being defensive? Ok then, I don't really see how that works, but whatever.
And I'm not trolling anything, all I ever post is a little fact and some opinion, which are clearly defined. Anything I've said about KZ2 has usually been along the lines of "so what if this magazine gave it x out of 10, they're not wrong, they just had a differing opinion". That's all this is - opinion, you're free to think KZ2 is the best game ever, I wont stop you, but the reality is that the best game ever for you might not be the best game ever for someone else.
The reason I've still got it on preorder is because although I don't necessarily think it's going to be the "best game ever", I do think it's going to be a decent game. As I said above, I play a lot of FPS games, but if I only played the FPS games that bettered all in their genre at the time, I'd have only played maybe 5 games this last decade.
And Halo wouldn't have been one of them.

There's a big big difference between not liking something and not thinking something is the best thing in the whole wide world.

Final edit: Do you know how many achievement points I have on Halo 3? 95. 95 out of 1750. Clearly, I do love Halo a lot.
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Aaron Greenterd  +   1893d ago
Kushan
I couldn't help but noticing Halo 3 in that picture.

Can Killzone 2 be a good game? Or is Halo 3 the most revolutionary FPS game evar?

Please stop trying to be Mr. Anti-hype, if you stop trying to be a d1ck about ps3 games maybe you can start to enjoy them.

What other ps3 games have you got?

Edit Getting awfully defensive Kushan, by the way you are reacting I would say I am right. Why do you feel the need to troll every KZ2 thread then? You've made your opinion heard, go back to Halo 3 and Live and tell yourself everything will be ok.

Why would someone preorder Killzone 2 if every chance they get they are downplaying it to anyone who will listen? If you don't like it, then don't buy it, cause in a month you will be here telling all who will listen how you had to trade KZ2 in because it wasn't all that.

EDIT # 2 Kushan: you have three (3) ps3 trophies, yet your Gamerscore is 11,047......yeah, you are the pinnacle of unbiased gaming. we should all see you for the unbiased, independant gamer that you are.

dude, i rest my freakin case. another stealth fanboy exposed.
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Morgan Webb of Lies  +   1893d ago
I think i was wrong about ps3 users needing anti-depressants.

i now believe that 360 users need them, because obviously they are having a hard time that KZ2 is only on ps3.

start medicating guys, it doesn't get any better from here on out.
Ldubbz  +   1893d ago
@ above...
Aaron you are a troll, and you need to go back under that bridge from which you came. Only a real loser would use that name and avatar, and then go and attack people that ARE VOICING OPINION! Kushan isnt some moron devoid of rational thought like yourself. You obviously lead a worthless existence.

Kushan, cheers to you and Oner for voicing your honest opinions without fanboyism. Its too bad that this site is full of 13-year old trolls that dont know how to read or write complete thoughts.
incogneato  +   1893d ago
Agreed. Disappoints who exactly? Some queer trying to make a sensational headline so idiots on N4G will hit his site? Lol. Pathetic.
Aaron Greenterd  +   1893d ago
Ldubbz
way to post and then give yourself agrees, as if anyone agrees with you.

i clearly exposed Kushan for the stealth 360 fanboy troll that he is. yes, i am a troll, but my intentions are clear.

when you only have 3 ps3 trophies, but your Gamerscore is in the tens of thousands, i find it hard to believe that you are unbiased, and it is very disingenuous that you are going to act like you are giving an honest opinion.

i would also point out that you are a troll just like i am, so why you are sitting on your high horse acting like you are better than me is simply preposterous. you hate me because you hate the ps3, plain and simple.
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pixelsword  +   1893d ago
TRANSLATION: "I wanna full release of the game..."
"...and I think my site is popular enough so I can whine and Sony'll see it, then I'll get one so I can review it early and seem important".

At any rate, read the article; the guy complains about the sluggishness of the controls, then he cranks them up to max sensitivity (what he said) and complained it was too fast for him. Anyone else see a very pointless reason for complaining?

Other than that, it's a pretty good article.

Gun weight adds strategy because guns actually have weight in real life. That's why there's often specialists on the battlefield: not every gun feels the same, has the same balance, recoil, etc. You can't just pick up any gun and just start firing; some guns have a caliber that'll make you knock yourself out with the gun if you don't know what you're doing, and some guns are heavy to the point that some people inexperienced with a weapon like that will hold it at waist-high or on a strap the whole time instead of firing from a proper standing position.

I dunno; I didn't see it as a bad thing myself, just an attention to detail; maybe i'll go and look at it again.
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pixelsword  +   1893d ago
Actually, the article isn't half bad, except for him complaining about the "weight" of the guns
The demo of Killzone 2 is finally out and, while there are reviews already pouring out for this game, we figured that it was worth giving our own opinion on what we've played anyway. Quentyn from AnalogHype.com treads through his thoughts on the demo, with absolutely no fluff to get in the way. Please note: rumors and reports are stating that the demo version is not as close to the final build of the game as the version shown at CES 2009. With that in mind, check out the impressions after the jump!

So, I preordered Killzone 2 with just one thing in mind: the demo. I didn't want to go through the trouble of making a European account, and 5 dollars down on a game is very expendable and easily retractable. February 5th inched near and I hit the marketplace running. I downloaded the Killzone 2 demo in a record 10 minutes (which is amazing considering that it's taken me hours to download demos and certain game updates that noone is probably even accessing.) All of that aside, though, I fire up the demo and I'm ready to go.

You only have one difficulty option, the eqivalent to "Normal" in most games, and you are able to choose between a number of different control configurations and options. The default controls for Killzone 2 are a little awkward after playing your Call of Dutys, Resistance 2s, Socoms, etc, so I quickly changed the control scheme to Alt 2 to mimick the Call of Duty scheme more. so I take these controls into the game and they are very much adaptable right away. All of this is referring to th ergonomics, though. When it comes to the feel of the controls, however, it becomes a love it or hate it type thing. Guerilla Games introduces "weight": the idea that, heavy guns take time to maneuver. From the second I press a direction on my analog stick to the animation carrying out, there is a very noticeable delay.

Some will argue that this delay makes the game more realistic and sets itself apart from other FPSs that uses "twitch controls", but others will despise it. Personally, I think it's a piece of crap "feature" that really takes away from the intensity of the game and adds to the frustration. I understand how you could justify the heavy controls for aiming and moving, but there is a delay for nearly everything I do: including pulling the trigger. A friend suggested that I maximize the sensitivity of the controls, but all this accomplished was even more frustration as my line of sight zoomed right past my target in my attempt to line up the shot. Needless to say, I feel that this really cripples the game. Imagine trying to play multiplayer with such a control interface: how can this truly work without posing some very concerning problems?

Aside from all of that, though, the rest of the game holds up in its standards. The hit detection is amazing, the graphics are everything Sony and GG said they'd be, and the sounds are amazing. Killzone 2 presents a truly immersive experience and atmosphere that games in the current generation can only hope to match. Here's something to try: turn off all hints, crosshairs, On Screen Display items, and go in with nothing but the sight of your gun and the will to kill. It is one of the most exhilerating experiences you can find on consoles. The world is fully realized with textures that are as crisp as a fresh haircut and particle effects that could PROBABLY rival Hollywood.

The actual demo is rather short as I was able to complete it in just over 5 minutes. It did just what it was supposed to do, though: it made me want more. Killzone 2 is looking like THE milestone AAA title of the year, but seeing as how this is just a demo we cannot fully pass judgment on the game. If you're looking for a video game review, this is not it, but we just like to share with you guys when we think something is doper than dope itself. Look out for Killzone 2 on February 27th in the United States.
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Kushan  +   1893d ago
Ok then, I'll bite. How long has the 360 had achievements? Since Launch.
How long has the PS3 had trophies? Since July of last year.
How many of the games did I list that I own actually have Trophy support? I think LBP is the only one, the point is I've not went back to play the others much since I already finished them, so hell if I know if they have trophy support added later or not.
I also forgot that I owned Wipeout HD, thanks for reminding me (Long time Wipeout fan here).

Now what exactly is your point? That I play my 360 more than my PS3? Well...that's true. I do. I've had the 360 longer, I've got more games on it and it is my console of choice for multi-platforms purely since most of my friends own a 360 and not a PS3. What, do you think I should tell my own friends to go to hell just because I don't own as many games on my PS3 and could do with bolstering the collection a bit? I don't think it works like that. In the end, I don't see a lot of differences between the consoles to care which one the game is on, I've got both so it doesn't matter.

What about you? Do you own a 360? Do you have an equal sized gamerscore and trophy collection? Do you show absolutely no bias towards either? I don't think so.

Your original comment claimed that I wasn't a "real gamer", yet I own both consoles and have a good selection of the big exclusives on both (I'm missing Resistance 2 and SOCOM on the PS3 - last Christmas really wiped me out with so many games...oh and I don't own Haze, either...sorry), you've tried time and time again to try and prove this with tedious arguments and you've finally settled on "you've got a bigger gamerscore than you have trophies, clearly you're a troll!", do you not see how trivial your own argument is?
Is it so bad that someone...disagrees with you? Do you have trouble sleeping at night because of it? I sure as hell don't, it amuses me to no end that you've wasted your 3 bubbles trolling against me and failing miserably at it. Why not do yourself a failure and go back to bashing Microsoft, since you hate them so much?
Or are you going to create a new account called "Douchan"? That would make my day =)
pain777pas  +   1893d ago
STFU already with this stuff. GEEEZ!!!!!!!!!!
GrandTheftZamboni  +   1893d ago
@Oner
As for the rifle kickback it doesn't happen instantaneously after pulling the trigger. It does in games, not when firing real weapon.
thebudgetgamer  +   1893d ago
ok bottom line
for me the demo rocks.

for others not so much.

that's what matters to me

:)
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Tempist  +   1893d ago
Control gripe aside, he had no problems. The headline is 100% misleading to what the author actually said. This is yet another case of 'Lets ride the killzone hype bandwaggon'
mal_tez92  +   1893d ago
DISSAPOINTING?
This demo was incredible. While it was rather short, it is still one of the best game experiences I've ever had.

Realistically, I think I have sunk more hours into this demo than I have into GTAIV, (got bored of it in less than a week.) The "Restart last checkpoint" option is amazing, you can replay what you just did with no loading time at all. I play though the demo restarting each section 10 times before I go on and finally reach the finish.

My favourite gun is the Helghast assault rifle, followed by the ISA rifle, and I don't really like the single shot rifle. I do like popping heads with it but I prefer automatic weapons.
pswi60  +   1893d ago
hey Kushan
dude give it up...Aaron owned you. LBP and Wipeout have like 70 trophies between the 2 of them, and I think you said you had Uncharted, which has 50 trophies. So out of 120 possible trophies, you have 3 from Wipeout (i wanted to see this for myself...fyi you get a trophy in Uncharted for finding one (1) treasure....one).

clearly you have no interest in the ps3 or its games, which disqualifies you from trying to have an unbiased discussion about anything related to the ps3.

it has nothing to do with whats been out longer, since you've had plenty of time to get trophies in the above games. seeing as how you don't care to, i would have to agree with Aarons interpretations of your agenda.

Aaron is the best troll on n4g for a reason, not just because he is funny, but because he can see thru people just like you. dont hate the player, hate the game.
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ThanatosDMC  +   1893d ago
I reported it as fake cuz he's own opinion is not being true to himself.
N4360G  +   1893d ago
The Killzone 2 demo did everything but disappoint,Killzone 2 is only 17 days away,I can't wait!!
TheSadTruth  +   1893d ago
"I know I am going to get no end of crap for this but here goes....

Video clearly showing the timed based delay issue
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And another
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And a perfect example of unwarranted re-adjustments @ 1:23 - 1:32 but specifically at 1:27-1:32
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And a comparison to Resistance 2 on how much sharper the response time is
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Sorry guys, but I am one of the people who clearly feel, see & notice the issue. I am not saying nor believe KZ2 sucks or is bad in any way shape or form, but the controls are not up to my standards and it detracts from the immersion/experience enough that I have to really re-think me picking up my already paid for in full pre-order and rent it to see if it is addressed or just in the demo build.

Please understand I am not a bot, I am not trying to crap on GG, Sony or anything else in that manner. I am 100% honestly bummed that the controls aren't accurate in it's implementation. I personally don't believe it is about the weight characteristic or it's mechanics (though I have to comment that why does the Handgun or Knife feel like the Rocket Launcher or a fully loaded Rifle?). Simply there is a timed based delay that affects the start point and the end point when you release; as if it starts 250ms later it will end 250ms later as well affecting all subsequent re-adjustments. The last thing about this I have to say is this would only be an improvement and would not change or hurt the game at all. It would just tighten up the response time when you input an action so the weight and feel will still be there thus the game will be the same but the re-action will be tighter.

I truly wish to enjoy this great title but if it's not fun to me then I cannot rightfully spend my money on it and will have to cash out my paid in full pre-order payment. Especially if it is still evident in the full retail version just as it has been proven in numerous videos of the demo already.....But again I have to stress and let it be known that I whole heartedly want the game to succeed in every way...even if without my enjoyment or contribution.

Edit: I have to add this

Earlier today I finished my 7th or 8th re-download of KZ2 (as suggested on the PS Forums) on my secondary PS3 (20gb) and this last download seems to have a better response time (weird I know)...so I might not have to cancel my fully paid pre-order just yet from GS. I will probably rent it to see first then if it is acceptable to me I'll pick up my copy. Which I really want to be able to do as I don't want to miss out on this game.
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I haven't played Killzone 2 or read much on it, but it's impossible that there are "isolated" cases of controller delay.

The answer is obvious, the players that post are not skilled or intelligent enough to notice the delay. One kid cites having played Half-Life 2 and Call of Duty, wow man, that's pretty hardcore, I think my little sister has played more first person shooters than you. Most of the PS3's userbase is NOT first person shooter fans so this would explain it. They aren't using to having precise controls with no delay like PC gamers are used to. I recall playing RFOM and thinking how gross (Almost as much as halo 2) the autoaim is but when I talked to other PS3 owners they said they didn't notice it.

Today's hardcore gamers are just casual gamers with too much free time on their hands.

They obviously spend more time posting on internet forums and flaming rival consoles than actually playing games.
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motts  +   1893d ago
Ya i played this demo so many times haha. I too switched my controls to an alternate to start, but realized that nothing beats the default setting once you adjust to the game. L2 really needs to grab cover, r1 is better for shooting on a ps3 than the trigger, and the R3 zoom is not a big deal. Because cover is so important you dont need to zoom in very fast like in most games.
No Way  +   1893d ago
@Kushan
It's quite obvious why you got those disagrees for your first post. But, for the second with the picture showing you own a PS3, I don't understand why you got disagrees.. Lol. I guess that just goes to show people only believe what they wanna see.

@Aaron Greenterd - You lose. He proved you wrong, now move on in self pity. Go cry or cut yourself.. Or, something.
No Way  +   1893d ago
@pswi60 -
You do realize that some people have other things to do, rather than play video games, right? And, get this.. Some people have to share their systems with other people, mainly family members. Not everyone has their systems down in their grandmas basement and get to play their PS3 24/7. I have no trophies for my account on PS3, so does that mean I can't voice my opinion about games? Dude, get the hell outta here..
AAACE5  +   1893d ago
Its a demo, so you know some may have issues with it. Don't let it change your decision to buy it.
Consoldtobots  +   1893d ago
man these fanboys and their hate for anything PS3 is really getting annoying. They pull made up excuses out of their culo and think people wont call them on it. I need to post a video of me scoring ONE BULLET HEADSHOTS from my ASSAULT RIFLE followed by a nice "STFU FANBOYS" in bold letters at the end.
Capt CHAOS  +   1893d ago
Next up. NEWS JUST IN.
Kushan and Aaron announce marriage plans.

Lol, you guys are at each other. Bubbles to you Kushan, Aaron, get over it.
SL1M DADDY  +   1893d ago
Anybody disapointed about the demo...
And then willing enough to write an article about is a complete idiot. Hope they read this 'cause they need to know that their words are good for one thing, printing off on paper and wiping one's rear with 'em.
Oner  +   1893d ago
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@ TheSadTruth ~ I totally agree. I myself am a prime example to use in this situation of how it is noticeable to someone with experience, and not just for gaming but with firearms as well...see I used to work in a local Gun Shop and have tried & used MANY different kinds of weapons ranging from a 4 inch super concealable .22 Magnum cartridge Revolver to semi automatic Shotguns and all the way up to fully automatic weapons like an M16 rifle fully decked out or even an M60 rifle in 7.62mm fashion.

Now my expertise in Gaming is not something to be laughed at either. I have been gaming for nearly 30 years, I am a more than capable and experienced FPS shooter having played in some CAL Tournaments in CS along with having run and moderated quite a few Servers as well. Now there are more games than just CS for the PC that I have played (some Unreal, AVP's, Combat Arms, Americas Army, Farcry, Half Life and other Steam titles & etc.) but you get the point. I have also played many different console titles over the years including the Halo line, Gears, COD, MGS, Uncharted, Some Splinter Cell, Some Ghost Recon, Some Socom, Golden Eye N64 & Perfect Dark and many, many more.

Basically almost anything ranging from old school arcades to home consoles like the Vectrex on thru the PS3 and PC gaming. PLUS I have been moderating/cultivating the console section of a huge Tech Site for over 7 years now. I am an educated man (not a child) and business owner in the field of Computer Repair who can express himself clearly and not just with flames or insults. So for those who may question me believe me when I say there is SOMETHING of concern going on that needs to be looked at or adjusted. It is not about downing KZ2, GG or even Sony for that matter as I am a DEFINITIVE Sony supporter and have ALL the proof I can provide to those who would say other wise.

Look people, all that I am saying along with the many others in the Official Sony Forums and everywhere else around the net is that there is proof showing the issue and can it be adjusted. It will not affect the weight characteristic as it seems to be localized to a timed based issue that when you do X action it takes X time to start to do so. Just as the videos I posted earlier clearly show. That specifically is unrealistic, not anything about the weight or anything else trying to make this game a "twitch shooter". Which by the way is an improper term as a Console game can NEVER be a twitch shooter because of controller limitations anyone who has played any Unreal on the PC will and can attest to that. So those who claim COD4 is a twitch shooter on the 360 or PS3 are sorely mistaken and goes to show their misunderstanding of the situation.

But anyway back on topic...I want to make something abundantly clear. I am not trying to argue or imply KZ2 does not deserve all of it's accolades or crap on it's amazing gameplay in it's design, AI, graphics or anything like that. Simply there are people out there who have a valid point with proof to support their findings. Whereas those who say they don't have the issue haven't shown anything to show otherwise...and when they do or have done so their video has been shown to have the same issue explained.

As I said before though, let it be known that I whole heartedly want the game to succeed in every way...even if without my enjoyment or contribution. Sucks for me I know, but that is not to say I want GG or Sony to fail. Lastly I would like to ask if you are going to flame or cannot hold a proper conversation for discussion please refrain from posting insults or whatever at me or who ever. It's not going to do anything other than show ones immaturity and derail the topic. Thank You.
Doppy  +   1893d ago
It was too short, and more like a tutorial, but the majority of the people liked it just, because they got a taste of the game. This game is going to sell regardless.
madpuppy  +   1893d ago
thebudgetgamer that looks to be a blu-ray tin for band of brothers series from HBO puctures
That is a great series and I really need to grab a copy of the series.
Homicide  +   1893d ago
I played the demo twice and deleted it. I'm sorry, but the demo was very disappointing.
xwabbit  +   1893d ago
Lol what i loved most of this thread wasn't the article, it was the discussion of Aron and kushan Lol

Btw Homicide your in the club of fan boys with pimp614, whythis and agent vx
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Groo  +   1893d ago
i've played the demo myself about 15 times lol. i must admit though, the first time the controls did feel wierd to me and it took me a little bit to get use to them and adjust, but after i got a feel for them i like it! I can't wait for this game!!!!!
madpuppy  +   1893d ago
@Homicide, you are right, the demo was dissapointing but,
So was the demo for Uncharted: drakes fortune when I played it, Now, it is one of my favorite games.
cayal  +   1893d ago
This is going to end well...
blackboyunltd  +   1893d ago
killzone 2 will disapoint like everything else in the playstation world
Aclay  +   1893d ago
"killzone 2 will disapoint like everything else in the playstation world "

LOL, Judging by Killzone 2's initial reviews, it's FAR from disappointing. ;)
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BkaY  +   1893d ago
there you go
straight to the ignore list.... good job...
redsquad  +   1893d ago
Only because your mindset is predisposed to that opinion - You've repeated your own brainwashing mantra for so long that you believe it.
You're only kidding yourself you know, chum!
madpuppy  +   1893d ago
blackboyunltd everybody is going to pop the rest of your bubbles
for commenting on a Sony news article that has nothing to do with a 360 troll.
Ps_alm3k  +   1893d ago
if it disappoint you....
will it disappoint your mom????
just a question......

edit: if you were being sarcastic....then sorry..
my mom thought killzone 2 look nice
but do who care??? right???
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ogwilson  +   1893d ago
Seriously? Was that the best you could do?
MicroSony4Life  +   1893d ago
WTF
Dude do you know how stupid you sound.
Bathyj  +   1893d ago
"Killzone 2 is looking like THE milestone AAA title of the year,"

How is THAT disappointing?
ogwilson  +   1893d ago
Milestone, not THE title to have. Try to read more carefully.
Bathyj  +   1893d ago
So, you dont even make sense.

It still means its awesome and therefore NOT disappointing, unless you actually were expecting Jesus's resurrection.
cryymoar  +   1893d ago
OG, that was stupid.
Any milestone is a game to have.
unless, you wana keep playing the same game over and over again. Halo 3, Gears 2.
oh wait, they're making a halo RTS...
pffffffffff HAHAHAHAHA a halo RTS! that's a good one.
thegreatone  +   1893d ago
strange title
The title makes it sound like they didn't like the demo but the review says otherwise. Strange.
thebudgetgamer  +   1893d ago
i cant say for sure
but i think some people expected a happy ending when they finished the demo

:)
LeonSKennedy4Life  +   1893d ago
Well, good Lord
They wanted a happy ending?

What is this...a massage parlor?
iiraymoii  +   1893d ago
Damn..their feelings must have been hurt by how good this game is. lol. There is not anything wrong with this game..its AAA.
ogwilson  +   1893d ago
The demo ended so abruptly as well. I mean I didn't expect a HAPPY ending, but I expected one to remember.
thebudgetgamer  +   1893d ago
i think they did it right
enough to be in awe, and short enough to make you want more

:)
Kyur4ThePain  +   1893d ago
Short story?
Were you expecting a beginning, middle and ending to a story in a game demo?
Max Power  +   1893d ago
i agree...
with thebudget, i wasn't expecting it to end so soon, but i wasn't upset that it did. It gave me enough to want to keep playing it, so much so i replayed that demo 20 times.
XXXRATED  +   1893d ago
it at a new level AAAA
DevilsJoker  +   1893d ago
Wait
The demo disappointed?
Playa7970  +   1893d ago
wow you know when a game is big when you review the demo for it killzone 2 ftw!!!!!!!!!!!
MGOelite  +   1893d ago
killzone 2 will not flop, it already has about 2.5million pre orders so it will definatly beat gears of war 2 first week sales
KeemJ  +   1893d ago
I heard there was a delay between the shoot button and the game actually shooting
OOG  +   1893d ago
I was disappointed by the demo... but because it was short... and I wanted to see more... and the input lag kinda sucked on my end at least.... but the game seems to be solid and fun...

Im sure if they wanted to they could of had a better demo tho
Arknight  +   1893d ago
Sounds like you heard wrong Keemj...the game is flawless.....I can play it over and over and continue to find little details that I missed before.
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Mr Tretton  +   1893d ago
The demo is keeping me from finishing other games I've been meaning finish before KZ2 comes.
Ghyst  +   1893d ago
The demo was good eh
I enjoyed it, have the game preordered, no stupid article is going to persuade me, ign already told me the game is over 9, and i'm being serious, lol. eurogamer giving it a 9 was icing on the cake.

This game will own!
divideby0  +   1893d ago
"changes controls to mimic COD"....stopped reading right there....no need to read any further...

another one who wants the game to be something its not intended to be...

all these COD luvers...go back to playing COD and enjoy the unrealistic gameplay and skating on top of surfaces...

this dude is one of the KZ bashers from 2 years ago..just seeing what a fool he was to bash a game years before it comes out
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OOG  +   1893d ago
yeah changing the controls to cod/resistance ones is pretty easy... even tho standard 1 seems to work the best I find ... for SP at least...
Rythrine  +   1893d ago
Yeah, me too. After trying out all the controls, I was comfortable with "Standard 1" than the others. I had a hard time zooming with the L1 when I'm holding L2 for cover.
ActionBastard  +   1893d ago
It's garbage. I've played it 30 times at it keeps getting worse. Shooting helmets off the enemy and watching the death animations? Lame. Blowing up that bridge? Lame. Entering the silo and listening to the Helghast soldiers talk about the breech, only to grenade the sh!t outta them? Lame. Yep, I'm uber disappointed. BRB...going to play the demo.
Norad6  +   1893d ago
and now my friend...
I shower you with bubbles for putting a smile on my face.
LeonSKennedy4Life  +   1893d ago
haha...
That was beautiful.
arika  +   1893d ago
epic fail.
i know one thing for sure. this post is an epic fail like most of the doom and gloom articles that tries to depict ps3 as a "dead on arrival" console. the only person who is going to be disappointed is the writer because aside from kissing some azzes, nobody is going to believe his article and if there is some who do they are mostly fanboys, so it doesn't count.
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evolution54  +   1893d ago
The demo is already being experienced by thousands of PS3 gamers and they should have a general knowledge of whether the demo sucked or not. Now if these people had exclusive demo gameplay time then okay, but they played the same demo we got to and I'm sure a lot of people will say that it does not disappoint. Either way I have a feeling that a lot of people are scared because Feb. 27 is slowing creeping up....
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hexmex357  +   1893d ago
I did not read the article and I smell Bullsh@t!!!!!
knightoftears  +   1893d ago
The only change I wish the demo had was more of it. As with every game there are people who don't like it, so let them. Not that the millions who will purchase it really care. Reviews shouldn't make you buy a game. YOU should make you by a game if you like it. Every game has it's flaws, and because this game is so high profile any little thing people see will be highlighted to no end. Give it a rest.
Playa7970  +   1893d ago
besides there is nothing in that article thats bad..... all he complains about is the controls... which will be fixed in the final
Petraeus  +   1893d ago
Dear SDF guys.....
After reading the article I wonder how many of YOU did...and how many are flaming the title only.

Last bit of the article.....

"The actual demo is rather short as I was able to complete it in just over 5 minutes. It did just what it was supposed to do, though: it made me want more. Killzone 2 is looking like THE milestone AAA title of the year, but seeing as how this is just a demo we cannot fully pass judgment on the game. If you're looking for a video game review, this is not it, but we just like to share with you guys when we think something is doper than dope itself."

Sounds like he wasn't very dissapointed.... more like laughing at all of you.
OOG  +   1893d ago
yeah I read that to..... people on here get defensive tho... u should know that
ActionBastard  +   1893d ago
I think it's the 5 paragraphs before the final ass kissing one that people take issue with. From length, to lag, to having to change the control scheme, the "disappointments" are, in fact, lame. You should try reading it before pulling the LAST paragraph out to try and use as a rebuttal. And if he wasn't disappointed, he picked a strange title for the story to convey it.
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jessehaysfl  +   1893d ago
i must be a fanboy because i love the sh*t out of it.
Petraeus  +   1893d ago
see above poster...
Waves at SDF dude.
Dissidia  +   1893d ago
Disappointed Who?..
..?
terrandragon  +   1893d ago
What is this guy talking about? I played it at my cousin's house and it was better than I could ever imagine! The demo, of course.
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