Microsoft has no intention of sacrificing its "focus on exciting IP" and will continue to invest in innovation in order to emerge from any ongoing recession in a "healthy" state.
did i just read innovation?
Yup. I had a bit of a laugh, too. Kinda hard to innovate and "focus on exciting IPs" when your dev teams are dropping like flies.
MS has done more for innovation in consoles than sony ever has. I don't get it. Why are you guys so critical of MS. All they want to do is take your money and give you good games to play in exchange. Why hate them so much? BTW R&C 17 was just announced.
...I got lightheaded reading that. o_o And kevonkox...are you bloody serious? So what the hell did Sony do, sit on their hands for two generations going on three? And I wonder why people are so damn critical of Sony as well? Don't you wonder the same thing?
kevincox, you are ignorant if you believe "innovation" and "Microsoft" belong in the same sentence. Keep in mind that 95% of the games that Microsoft has supposedly given unto us lowly gamers were from 3rd parties or 1st parties that were purchased by Microsoft. Very few of the games on the Xbox and Xbox 360 came from Microsoft's brilliant think tank of innovation. To Microsoft, the word "innovation" means "buy something that's already innovative".
MS do innovate just look at Lips, NXE, You're in the movies and Kodu. Oh wait...
The only thing MS has done that is innovative is Xbox Live IMO. Microsoft is a company that heavily relies on past Playstation brand association to succeed in the business and where it almost becomes that they dont really have their own identity. What is so innovative about that? One more question..... Who has created more original IPs? Sony or MS? The person who answers correctly gets a cookie.
yup only xboxlive but thats it..what games?? i dont see any new ips this year made by their studio.lol..
New exclusives for 360. Race pro Ninja blade Venetica huxley alan wake velvet assassin dungeon hero saboteur section8 apb dead island white gold Persecutors Warhound Now i have no idea how many of these games will score higher then 9 out of 10 I do know that your statement of the 360 not having any new ip;s, is a load of butt crock. Now how many new ips does sony have coming. Because killzone 2 and uncharted 2 are both sequels. And dont even mention PSN games, cause i didnt mention those for the 360 myself either.
but since when has Saboteur ever been a new IP? You just listed 3rd party IPs which are not being developed on the PS3 due to lack of resources. Do you want me to list all the new IPs developed by EA, Activision and the rest here that will be available on PS3 too? No? Well, point made. Talk first party or 2nd and don't give false info.
@ Foxgod Let's take a look at your list: Race pro - a racing game? Oooh, innovative. Published by Atari, so exclusivity is not guaranteed. Ninja blade - a Ninja Gaiden clone? Oooh, innovative! Venetica - 3rd-person RPG? Ohh, innovative! huxley - an online FPS with an unannounced release date? alan wake - Release date when? velvet assassin - Release date when? Exclusive says who? dungeon hero - ??? saboteur - published by EA...hah. You think this is exclusive? section8 - Exclusive says who? apb - ??? dead island - PS3 version already announced white gold - ??? As you can see, Foxgod, your list falls apart quite easily. Valiant attempt, though.
where did all of sonys studios come from? did they buy existing studios making them first paty? or did they put job adds in local and national papers around the world advertising for people in order to create studios?? get a clue ey! a question for you, how many studios did sony own when they launched the ps1? and how many when they launched the ps2?
Those games are all xbox exclusive, because no other platform besides the 360 has been announced, so until its announced for the ps3, you have no ground to hold, whether it be EA, Sony or whoever else will be publishing it. And second, where not talking about AAA games here, where talking exclusives, Innovative product usually means a new series, not something entirely new as in a new genre (that happens how often ?), and if that do is the case to you, then Sony got nothing either.
Ok. Let's take your list and clean it up a bit... Race pro Ninja blade Venetica huxley - on PC alan wake - on PC velvet assassin - on PC dungeon hero - on PC and PS3 saboteur - on PC and PS3 section8 - on PC and PS3 apb - on PC dead island - on PC white gold - on PC EDIT: Ah, but it does matter. That means you don't need a 360 to play them. And since they'll probably also be GFW titles, you can use a 360 controller to play them. Side note: Section8 wasn't officially canceled, it just won't appear this year. The info was next to my rock I crawled from under.
It does not matter if its on PC, we are talking consoles here, besides, i have a pc powerful enough to play them, but i prever to play them on my 360, better controls. And the section8 ps3 version has been dropped. If you wouldnt be living under a rock you would know that.
@ King Dong Your comment is true. The PS1 only had a few 1st-party and 2nd-party exclusives to call its own. However, it had a TON of 3rd-party exclusives. Your comparison doesn't match up for two reasons. First, the Xbox 360 isn't Microsoft's PS1. It's not their first console nor is it their first foray into the gaming world. The 360 is Microsoft's PS2, or even PS3 or PS4 if you count the many years of PC gaming Microsoft has been involved in. Second, the 360 does not have a ton of 3rd-party exclusives coming up. They don't. It may be hard for some fanboys to accept, but Microsoft's exclusive list is looking quite slim.
"will continue to invest in innovation in order to emerge from any ongoing recession in a "healthy" state." OOooOohh niceee! That means we get exclusive RE5 DLC! Exclusive Bioshock 2 DLC! Exclusive FFXIII DLC! And maybe they'll finally strike a deal to get MGS4 on the 360! That's what they mean by investing in innovation. Since they hardly have any studios left.
the ps1 and ps2 had a ton of 3rd party exclu because it had little or no competition. neither sony or ms have a ton of 3rd party exclu because the competition is healthy this time. microsoft have tried to make the 360 and pc mutually beneficial. i.e: plenty of games exclu to both systems and not sonys, yet all the fanboys like you condemn them for it and say "it's not exclusive"(said in squeaky teenage voice). but whats the point of trying to explain on here? n4g fanboys only see what they want to see! edit: all the pathetic fanboys disagreeing with my first comment. did sony make all these first party studios out of thin air?? did they? YOU LOT ARE PATHETIC!
Aww. So cute. When backed into a corner, the "your all pathetic" card is played. Now that IS innovation.
making hard drives standard was innovative for consoles.....sort of thought the guide button was innovative...in game music seems a little innovative....not sure who started it, but turning my console off from the controller was pretty innovative...lights on the unit and controller seemed pretty innovative to let you know what player you are. @Stayhigh "i dont see any new ips this year made by their studio.lol.." Now I could be the only one...but personally, I could care less if a title is 1st, 2nd, or 3rd party...as long as it quality. I do believe that part of Dreamcast's downfal was lack of third party support. As somebody mentioned, what is these overwhelming original ips coming the ps3s way? @JokesOnYou I agree completely....but change "mute" to "moot" to give fanboys less stuff to complain about on a well written article.
First owning MORE studio's does not equal MORE games for said company and furthermore it sure as hell doesn't equal better quality games since many 3rd party studio's are just as talented or argueably more talented than some 1st party studios. Second Micro already stated back when they let Bungie go independent that their strategy was one of focusing less on "owning" studio's and more so on looking for talent and bringing great IP's to their platform, so its a difference in philosophy; The con's of ownership involves maintain a large overhead budget neccessary to support many dev studios continous work and of course salaries, obviously the pro's of course is that they only make games for your platform; The pro's of micro strategy is obviously with less studio's you reduce overhead cost's drastically, money which you can then use to buy only those specific games/new IP's you want from devs, those savings also lead to more funds for advertising, dlc etc. Now sure "gamers" on n4g can all discuss which is a better strategy but only time will tell if it which was more fruitful. 3rd WHY would I as a gamer care HOW a particular exclusive ended up on my console, I happen to own both but for the guy who only has one, does it really matter if a game he loves is 1st or 3rd party as long as he gets to enjoy it on his console? Basicly its a mute point as long as micro continues to "buy" great games and "pay" for innovation wherever they find it, why should I care. Just keep delivering and the 360 owners will do fine. 4th There have been and there are plenty of variety of games coming to 360, what games with release dates are available for ps3 in 2009? 360 gamers have plenty games coming this year and I'm sure they'll be some surprises, they both have some good things ahead, this just sounds like sony loyalists beating their chests with wild claims and predictions as usual. JOY
please enlighten me. if i'm backed into a corner, and my argument was flawed, can you show me where i went wrong? many thanks.
@Foxgod I don't see a single title in your list that's considerably innovative. You ask for Sony new IP's, yet your list doesn't have any new MS IP's of note other that Alan Wake. Sony's got: 1. WKC (Level 5, Sony IP) 2. Quantum Theory (Tecmo) 3. EYEpet (innovative looking Sony title) 4. EYEdentity (another innovative looking Sony title) 5. Demon Soul (From Software) 6. Uncharted waters (Koei) 7. War Devil's (Sony) 8. Afika (Innovative Sony title) 9. Free Realm (SOE) 10. The Agency (SOE - innovative concept IMO) 11. MAG (Sony - 256 players online seems pretty epic/innovative) 12. Infamous (Sucker punch, Sony IP - still more innovative than what you mentioned) 13. Heavy Rain (Innovative Sony title) 14. DC Universe 15. Team Ico project (Sony - this being from the guys who did Ico and Shadow of the Colossus guarantees this will be innovative in some way) Did you notice that 11 of those 15 are Sony IP's? Where are the MS titles to match that number? Considering MS only has 3-5 studios, any innovative title will probably be 3rd party or multi-platform. If your looking at exclusive sequels, there's: 16. Yakuza 3 (Sega) 17. GoW III (Sony) 18. Killzone 2 (Sony) 19. Rachet and Clank (Sony) 20. Uncharted 2 (Sony) 21. GT5 (Sony) 22. Socom confrontation (Sony) 23. MGS4 (Konami) 24. Untold Legends (Sony) 25. Formula One Racing (Sony's forgotten racing game) 26. Genji (Sony) 27. Sing star Abba edition (Sony) 28. MLB The Show 07 (Sony) 29. MLB The Show 08 (guess it's obvious 09 is coming) 30. NBA 07 (Sony) 31. NBA 08 (Sony) 32. NBA '09 The Inside (Sony) etc. Look at the new Sony IP's introduced this gen already or will soon: 1) War Hawk 2) Heavenly Sword 3) Resistance 4) WKC 5) Infamous 6) Uncharted 7) Heavy Rain 8) The Agency 9) War Devils 10) MAG 11) Afrika 12) EYEpet 13) EYEdentity 14) Team Ico project 15) Free Realm 16) Folklore 17) Little Big Planet 18) Motorstorm 19) Lair (yes I know it sucks, but it is a new Sony IP) 20) Eye of Judgement Did you notice 20 new Sony IP's? How much new MS IP's are ones made by MS owned studios? Console exclusives don't mean much to me if it can be played on PC, either. There's no more exclusivty on Dead Rising, Bioshock, and I'd really doubt SO4 and ME2 will both stay 360 exclusives either. If not for 3rd party exclusives, 360 wouldn't have enough from their own measly studios to match all of Sony's studios.
In my defense I would like to say that I typed that in like 2 min at work in between taking customers...ssshhh dont tell my boss. Now on topic, I would like to add that micro has in fact been innovative within the gaming industry whether folks on n4g want to recognize it or not. Micro really brought the focus of online gaming to consoles, I don't think gaming would be where it is now without micro, am I saying they deserve all the credit, NO but I doubt sony would be trying to push psn further without micro having such a strong service they have with Live. Also, whats wrong with "buying" talent to get dev's to make a exclusive new IP or "paying" them to make a once exclusive franchise multiplatform vs. buying the studio and making them first party?...is it so much different? Basicly its just a difference in concept, do you want to save money up front and shop around for quality stuff or do you want to pay up front but have a large pool of talent you already invested in. Me I don't care how they do it, I just play the damm games. JOY
HAHAHAHAH... "we're talking about console exclusivity here" <--- HHAHAHHAHAH... HAHHAAHHAH... HA!
That would be correct. It's about time. I guess that means more new IP's using the Unreal Engine.
you closed one of your last studios (esemble) as soon as halo wars was completed, how can you make new IP's without game studios? im not sure whos left other than 'rare'
third party studios perhaps?
Turn 10 and Lionhead are left along with Rare. I hope their pockets as as deep they were in 06 because it's going to get harder and more expensive to convince a 3rd party to go exclusive.
What will Microsoft do when third parties will no longer make exclusives for them because that day will come. There is starting to bee too much money to make for them to go exclusive. Or MS will have to pay alot more which is not smart.
you mean paying some third parties for DLC for xbox360 ..lol..yeah like anyone going to wait a half a year or more for it..
A Fat Check >>> buy an occasionally PS exclusive >> equals innovation Check >>> DLC >> Innovation , thats what they really meant
You spend enough time on this site to know MS is splitting esemble into two companies.
the way sony's pockets turned third party devs into their first part devs....thought so. ps3 fanboys on this site are pathetic. ps1, and ps2 had sh1t for first party "exclusives" again i ask isnt this microsofts second console??? thought so. why dont you guys do something other than spamming n4g with your BS and false rhetoric. same ones everyday too. ultimolu eagle21 action bastard morgan fell pirate thom nathan drake opomus 420 and the rest will be here soon im sure of it. the ones i listed that arent yet are prolly logging on now. go concentrate more on sony at the moment, incase you havent heard ps3 isnt doing so well this gen.
LOL @ MS innovating!!!! Is that what you call wasting millions on DLC for multiplat games instead of building a stable of 1st party devs that might actually be able to innovate?
....PS3 fans care more about what Microsoft says than 360 supporters do. Microsofts supposed 'lack of' exclusives seems to really bother some people but not really 360 owners. Quite funny that.
I'm a 360 owner and I'm quite bothered by the lack of exclusives, not to mention the lack of 1st-party support. Oh, but why should I bother? It's so easy for people to write off ANY anti-Microsoft sentiment as some "stupid Sony fanboy rant" instead of thinking critically and coming up with your own conclusion.
Why would it? :)
I own a 360 and am concerned. What exclusives are there to look forward to? Really?
@action bastard. I am personally looking forward to the following: Venetica huxley alan wake section8 dead island white gold Persecutors Forza3 Splinter cell conviction Halo wars Halo odst warhound blue dragon 2 cletus clay star ocean 4 Maybe some of those titles are fun for you too, look them up.
....right you own a 360 and a PS3, and so do I. You on the other hand judging by your comment history have a preference to the PS3. That is fine, I fully understand people having favourite systems and whatever. So tell me again, 'I'm a 360 owner and I'm quite bothered by the lack of exclusives, not to mention the lack of 1st-party support.' Why are you bothered again? Since your preference is with the PS3 doesn't that allow you more time on it? Does the so called lack of exclusives for the 360 not allow for more money to be spent on your preferred system?! I still do not understand your point exactly. @ ActionBastard ....'I own a 360 and am concerned. What exclusives are there to look forward to? Really?' Do you not think it would be a good idea to wait until GDC and E3 and then getting worried about Microsofts so called lack of exclusives?! We are 2 months into the year?! Its all well and good saying Microsoft has no exclusives, but how the hell does anyone know that? Does anyone here work for them?! Didn't think so, we are two months into the year with all the major game conventions coming up and people for some reason are jumping to the conclusion that Microsoft have nothing planned. When will people learn not to jump to conclusions and just be patient and wait for official announcements at official events.
"Why are you bothered again? Since your preference is with the PS3 doesn't that allow you more time on it? Does the so called lack of exclusives for the 360 not allow for more money to be spent on your preferred system?! I still do not understand your point exactly." Riiight. So because he favours a particular system, he's not allowed to hope/look/purchase exclusives/games for another console? What's the point in even having multiple consoles, because your not 'allowed' to buy games for more than one.
AMEN and bubbles dude. sony fans scream that they have better games, but when the hell do they play them....i see the same ones day in day out on here, and on every microsoft article. good post hippo. to the omodis420 idiot you shouldnt be allowed to contribute anymore, because the only things you contribute are flamebait nonsense anyways, since you know ya sony fanclub will be all over it. peace
@ Hippo You say that like GDC and E3 last year were mind blowing for Microsoft. Multiplatform games, a sprinkling of 1st party exclusives and even larger casual push, that sums up both GDC AND E3. What am I looking forward to? Nothing! That's the point of my comments. Hell, I can list Wii games I'M looking forward to, but you're right. It's only 2 months into the year and I should wait for them to announce games I can play on PS3 or PC too.
Judging by your comment history you don't even know the name of your gamertag, which is very odd for a 360 owner. This thread is really amusing. Completely owned. http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...
Microsoft - Best of this gen. Sony - Worst of this gen, will die next gen. Do you want a Ps3 or a 360? I say, get a 360. It's MUCH better. More games, better games, more variety, better variety, cheap, better cheap and you get LIVE which is much better than PSN.
Since we seem to be giving our opinions on what system people should get then i think i'll offer my unbiased opinion and say, get a PS3. XBL: Death roW247 PSN: DeathroW22 Sure, live is amazing - but not enough for me.
And that's *YOUR* biased opinion. If the person wants both, they can get both and have the best of both consoles. If they want one, they can decide that as well.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe, my opinion isn't biased? NO, THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE, RIGHT??
Sorry Sleipnir I just can't understand you. Can you try again without MS' d!ck in your mouth please. Thanks a bunch and have a great day.
It *was* biased. If you didn't mean it as biased, you should have said 'IN MY OWN OPINION'. Yeah, Sony will die next generation? Who the f*ck died and made you the decider of whether Sony lives and dies as a company? How about they both f*cking live, we play games, and we stop this sh*t all together?
I was being sarcastic in the unbiased part ;)
I own both therefor i own you :)
great, bring in the perfect dark, kameo, battletoads, conker, jade empire, killer instinct, dead or alive, ninja gaiden and more.
It's obvious you have no idea what IPs they own. Ninja Gaiden? Jade Empire? Dead or Alive? I wish I could add an audio comment with my laughter at you. EDIT: Good job counting!
They may not own it, but they are exclusive so far, and i want more from these titles. Oh, and good job at laughing at 2 examples out of the 8 i mentioned, you must have a boring life if your own misinterpretation cracks you up so much.
Well i would rather have just 1 and thats Xbox360 you can go and shove that ps3 up your ass because i've had enough of you droids you lot run this site and bubble your selves up and take xbox360 fans bubbles away. Also shove KillZone 2 and Uncharted 2 up your ass because just wait and see what games are coming out for Xbox360 and they won't be sh*t like your ps3 games why don't you all droids go and play in HOME with all your Pedophile friends yeah F*ck U all Droids.
I'll buy you a PS3 if you want one that much..
What you just said there is quite ironic my dear PP...yes, quite ironic. You seem to forget your younger days, when you and your cronies invented that bubble feedback system.
Please don't forget M.A.G., Heavy Rain, InFamous, God of War 3, Gran Turismo 5, Quantum Theory, FF XIII Versus, White Knight Chronicles, R&C, The Agency, Free Realms, DC Universe Online and the other exclusives that slipped my mind. Wouldn't want Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 to get lonely and all. ;) Sorry what was that couldn't hear you because you seem to have your foot in you mouth. Now please try again. kthxbye P.S. As to the PS Home pedophile comment last I checked XBL was pedo heaven with arrests made.
do not be jealous of to great games to be .just because nobody talking about microsaft lineup
I have all 3 consoles and the 360 is the best purchase. I can't wait to see what MS have up their sleeve during E3.
Are you getting Mad World for the Wii? I'm leaning towards a Wii for just that game. It looks ridiculous so far.
Maybe...But do not buy the Wii just for one game. You will regret it. Wait for E3 and see if anything else will interest you.
...That's no good then. :/ I'll wait and see if they announce some rpgs.
Microsoft Innovates, that there is funny! Kinda like Microsoft Works. In any case Microsoft couldn't innovate their way out of a paper bag. Windows is nothing but a "me too" OS and tries to copy the success of other operating systems. Windows Vista was an OS X wannabe that failed miserably. Look at Windows 7 and how it strongly resembles the KDE 4 desktop that millions of Linux users run. The last time Microsoft tried innovating was Microsoft BOB and that was canned in a hurry. MS functions on the "Three E" mantra and always will. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. Take a look at Sugar CRM, bastardized BSD IP stack, bastardized implementation of Kerberos and LDAP. I can go on but they take industry standard protocols and bastardize them. Buy companies and extinguish their products in favor of their own, etc... Microsoft has been a bane to technology for years and finally they are getting what they deserve with OS X and Linux beginning to chew away at their install base and Firefox/Chrome destroying their browser monopoly. Soon Open Office will begin its' march on Redmond and will slowly erode MS Office's stranglehold on business as well. Look at some other "me too" MS accomplishments. The Zune, XBox and Pocket PC for cell phones. Nothing original or innovative at all just a desparate attempt for attention and money grab. Nothing more, nothing less.
Man, that happens all the time, they lose some share, the gain some, they lose some, they gain some. It has been like that since the 80'ies. Fact is they have always held the majority of the market, the idea of MS crumbling is nothing more then an Anarchists wet dream.
This isn't about tit for tat. Microsoft for the first time has dropped below 90% of the install base on PCs. Their browser is now hovering around 50% usage with Firefox and Chrome quickly eroding that share. People are more informed now and a new generation of users are in play. These users are informed and educated and know they have a choice. Microsoft used to play on the ignorant because they knew that the majority weren't informed and believed Microsoft to be the only choice. Now with the widespread use of the internet in schools and at home things are changing. Don't be surprised if Windows 7 releases and Microsoft gets a "so what?" from consumers like they did with Vista. It has nothing to do with anarchy as much as it does with choice and informed and knowledgable consumers picking solutions and products that perform better and more reliable that what can be had from the Redmond campus.
when I read any of your comments, you start to sound like a Microsoft PR Rep. Seriously dude, its like Bill Gates and his 360 had a "fun" night together and 9 months later you came out. Layoff the fanboy comments, you and other fanboys regardless of system are really bring this site down. Makes me sad when someone is willing to bleed for a company that doesnt give 2 sh!ts about them....sad...