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Submitted by bmatthews 2148d ago | article

Killzone 2 Review Bias?

Badassgamer writes:

"Killzone 2, the highly anticipated Sony's Playstation 3 Sci-fi First Person Shooter has been reviewed by countless online sites and game magazines. while the current scores bode very well for the exclusive shooter, some of them give off a very strong sense of bias and favouritism, not something you would expect when dealing with the mass readership reviews influence. " (Killzone 2, PS3)

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Sasanova  +   2148d ago
amen.
Timberland2K9  +   2148d ago
in other words
that guy just said f*k u haterz and this blows the #(#t out of halo's a@Z

Edit:'Call of Duty 4 and Halo 3 were both great looking games at the respective times of their release, however they still had low-res textures and poor character models in some places, yet reviewers simply ignored them, Killzone 2 however, every low-res texture is spotted and the game is criticised'

Secondly, it seems like Reviewers are missing the point of Killzone 2's gameplay, some are expecting the game to completely change the genre, this is however not the case, Killzone 2 is a shooter that does what shooters are supposed to do, and does them to a very high standard, neither Halo nor Call of duty 4, revolutionised the genre, yet they were never docked points for it. Reviewers say Killzone 2 is 'samey' with a weak story and cliche FPS techniques, I am sorry to once again disagree but I have never seen a more cliche War story than that of Call of Duty 4, and again nobody felt the need to mention it.

And with the review scores rolling in, we can spot some of this bias still, firstly it seems like some reviewers believe it is their job to review a product based on what it doesn't have, now I have never quite understood this logic, killzone 2 is getting scored down for lacking a co-op mode, sure that would have been a great addition, but the fact is it isn't part of the game, therefore reviewers should not take points away for the lack of the feature, to further my point take a look at the reviews of Call of Duty 4, a great shooter in many ways, with an addicting multiplayer mode, the game did not have co-op, I repeat it did not have a co-op feature, yet it was barely mentioned in reviews, and even in reviews were it was brought up, points were usually not deducted. This is not the same with Killzone 2. If this applies to Killzone 2 then every shooter hence forth had better include a co-op mode, or we should expect the same to happen.

Edit Again On Co-Op

I Say GET YOUR FUGGIN OWN GAME

Edit One More TIME COD 4 Gametrailers.com 9.4 Final Paragraph
We’re a little disappointed that Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare didn’t stretch the boundaries of gameplay a little more in the single-player, but fans will be ecstatic. It’s absolutely relentless in its assault on the senses and never lets up until the last trigger has been squeezed. The multiplayer is even better, with the perks and weapon upgrades acting as a balance to the lack of vehicles. The authenticity on display here is to be commended, getting you as close as you can possibly be to something that far braver people experience--without the risk.

Kz2 gotta 9.2
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Simon_Brezhnev  +   2148d ago
I agree with u lol but the article is talking about IGN but yall think ign is not bias they just slick with it. They score it high enough to not lose credibility but not higher then 360 exclusives we know killzone deserves 10 for graphics.
360 man  +   2148d ago
after watching the gametrailers review i saw a comment which said gears 2 blows this out the water. at first i thought lol wat a fanboy, but then i watched the gears 2 review and whilst not blowing kz2 out the water, it was still very much up there with it. the textures in gears 2 made killzone 2s textures seem so blurry and undetailed. and then wen they take cover on to a wall in killzone 2 the textures looked like ps1. my point is whilst kz2 is a good game. its not a perfect game, so if a reviewer doesnt give it 10/10 dont get so annoyed.
Daz  +   2148d ago
The point you just crying because you didnt get what you wanted. ENd of
GamerPS360  +   2148d ago
@360 MAN
Gears 2 sux period. Its worse than Gear 1. I love gear 1 while Gear 2 is nothing but hype. That game doesn't even make 7 in my rating. Reviewers failed to mention crappy online. Graphic is all plastic looking. I wasted 60+tax on it. Never trusting anything other than oxm for 360 reviews.
Resistance 2 is no better either. Resistance 1 was much better game (gameplay).
while KZ2 looks miles better than both. By the look, it should be much better than COD4. Well, 2 more days to Demo and will know.

edit: 360 man below
You guys just talk about graphic, graphic, graphic. I am just saying graphic alone doesn't make game. I will take Well balanced game any day than just superb graphic game. Gears2 texture might be good but the atmosphere sux and its too Shinny for war feeling. It would not be bad for ratchet game but for gears 1 where it stands gears 2 is just let down.
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Danja  +   2148d ago
Good article , but come on we should have all expected this , it's PS3 exclusive reviewers always try to nit-pick and deduct points that they wouldn't do if it was on another platform.....

are PS3 exclusives rated and held so high on a pedestal that each high profile game has to be picked apart just so they can feel good within themselves that the game didn't live up to the hype.

or they just simply wish it wasn't on the PS3...so they hold a grudge.

1st GOTY contender confirmed....
360 man  +   2148d ago
@ gamerps360
'gears 2 sux period' well thank you for enlighting us with ur wisdom

EDIT Below

i never said it werent beautiful, i said it werent perfect which its not.
cant u read
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Graphics Whore  +   2148d ago
No offense 360 man, but not one reviewer mentioned how broken Gears of War 2 was online. It was one hell of a surprise buying that game going to my friends house to play and the online literally not working.

Killzone 2 is the best looking console game available period. It's not subjective, you have eyes, you can clearly see.
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0verdrive  +   2148d ago
@ 360 man
the graphics of gears2 looking better than kz2? ok, so honestly i havent played eitehr, but i mean... you and whoever posted that comment on GT must be two of a kind, because it seems like you guys are the ONLY two people who see it that way.

i mean, the only argument that you have is that the texture work is slightly better on gears, which only attest to part of the graphical package, including lighting, effects, and physics. and to top it off, gears is a tps, so by design the player is looking at the textures from much farther away, rather than staring at the textures up close on the box your hiding behind in kz2. texture work is going going to look better from farther away, whether it is better or not.

aside from that, i think its pretty much accepted that kz2 is more of a graphical beast than gears is, its pretty much been recognized by... well everyone. its being compared to crysis, for crying out loud; the best looking pc game to date, running on a machines that are as powerful as 3xboxes and 3ps3s all bundled into one. so i mean... yeh.

on topic: this article speaks the truth. no joke.
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anh_duong  +   2148d ago
seriously, eurogamer is so far up microsoft's arse that they can almost see CVG and UGO's feet.

killzone, is the first game i read where reviews moan so much about co-op and only a 10hr playtime for a fps. most games you don't even hear reviewers complain about not having multiplayer let a lone co-op.
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shingo  +   2148d ago
I AGREE with that article
360 man  +   2148d ago
@ overdrive
wow overdrive u hav to be the dumbest person in the world. didnt u read my comment, thats exactly wat i said. i never said the graphics in gears 2 were better as a whole i said the texture aspect of it was better. which u stated aswell. so wats the problem
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SL1M DADDY  +   2148d ago
I could care less about the scores to be honest but...
I will say that any competent gamer with half a brain will see how silly and bias it is to dock the score of a game like this for a lack in Co-Op modes. Sorry, but if it has a spectacular MP and a half way decent SP then the game should get very high marks. If it has anything better it should get even better scores. All I am saying is that to dock the game for lack of co-op is just plain poor journalism.
king dong  +   2148d ago
timberland
why are you crying about kz2's score? you didn't make the game, you are gonna buy it no matter what, so whats the problem?? it's obvious that from a campaign standpoint, kz2 brings nothing new to the genre, but it has an impressive sounding multiplayer, so to me the scores seem rite on the money!
Legion  +   2148d ago
You do realize that a portion of the review issue is that the hype prior to the game raised expectations. With previous games they rated higher due to when they came out and what was expected of the game during that time.

Time has passed and expectations have been ramped up. So though the hype has assisted in the sales and awareness of the game, it is a double edged sword because everyone is looking for the game to be so much more then what previous games have offered. Thus the reduction in reviews for some.

sorry the nature of the beast when it comes to reviews these days.
CrazzyMan  +   2148d ago
Just a GameSpy reviews for KZ2 and Gears 2
Gears of War - 5 stars

Pros:

Gorgeous environments; engaging story; improved gameplay mechanics; fun new multiplayer gametypes; bot support; incredibly addictive Horde mode.

Cons:

Vehicle sequences can be frustrating; AI can get in your way; occasional glitches and framerate hiccups.

AND

Killzone 2 - 4.5 stars

Pros:

Superb visuals; diverse multiplayer modes; entertaining gameplay; Helghast are great bad guys.

Cons:

AI can be hit or miss; slight stuttering and loading issues; silly Sixaxis segments.

Nuff said.
Real Gambler  +   2148d ago
You guys are funny...
Yes, some of the big reviewers are biased, but the problem with a big release like Killzone 2 is the fact that everybody in the world suddendly become a reviewer. Every newspaper (financial, sport, or anything else goes) will have a review from a journalist who probably played only 2 games in his life. Every blog will have a review. And sure enough, they do that to get hits. If they give 10/10, nobody will read the article. They HAVE to find something wrong, so people hit their webpages and they get more money from advertisers.

So don't worry about the big reviewers. By now, you know which one are biased and which one are not. Worry about all the little "experts" who will review this game (or any good game) in their newspaper, blog, website so they can get hits. They are not biased, they just want hits. And sure enough, they'll get many.

P.S.: Great article btw.
MasFlowKiller  +   2148d ago
gametrailer
gametrailer
morganfell  +   2148d ago
http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...

"A "10" is not a score we give out very often. In fact, the last time we gave a 10 to a console game was Soul Calibur in 1999. A 10 doesn't mean a game is perfect -- it means a game is pushing boundaries, expanding a genre, and doing many things to a level so far above and beyond its competitors that they overshadows any flaws. Certainly, GTA IV has some issues, the most noticeable being the occasional flaw in the cover system, but there are many more pieces of GTA IV that are better than anything I've seen from a game in the past decade. We don't give 10s often -- just to games that merit the score."

GTA IV:

Graphics - 10
The level of detail is astounding. Liberty City feels alive and lived in. While there are some technical issues, the artistic merits push the score to the max. A true marvel.

Killzone 2

Graphics - 9.5
Phenomenal visuals prove that Guerrilla either met or surpassed that infamous E3 trailer. Some technical issues hold it back from being a completely flawless masterpiece.
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GWAVE  +   2148d ago
Are the complaints legitimate? Maybe. I wouldn't be the first to say that reviewers need to:

1) Review the GAME, not what the game COULD be
2) Be consistent

Even still, I think that docking the game is a legitimate action. I do. HOWEVER, what about the reviews for Left 4 Dead? Were the graphics average? Yup. Was there a storyline? Nope. Yet, when reviews came around they all say "Eh, we can give this game a pass. Storyline doesn't matter". Reviewers said the same thing about the super-adrenaline Gears of War 2. They said "Yeah, the storyline is corny but that's not why this game is awesome!". And let's not even start about how Gears 2's matchmaking and multiplayer servers were broken.

If we're being fair, we should dock those games (both of which came out in late 2008, so it's not like I'm using some long-bygone game as an example) for NOT having those features. Left 4 Dead lacked a competent single-player portion. It should be docked, yet it WASN'T.

Now, I'm fine with reviewers giving a game a pass. I am. Bioshock got a pass for no multiplayer because it was unique enough. Left 4 Dead got a pass because the co-op was very fun. But why doesn't Killzone 2 get a pass? The 32-person multiplayer doesn't make up for it? The stellar graphics don't make up for it? What qualifies a game to get a pass on issues that would otherwise hurt the review score?

THIS is the "bias" that people are complaining about, and it's a perfectly legitimate complaint.
jcgamer  +   2148d ago
Bias or no bias in the gaming media for all things PS3...
right now i have a smile on my face...i own a PS3, i have Killzone 2 a.k.a KillzOWN 2 on pre order, and in a matter of weeks PS3 owners worldwide will be having some goooood times...lol...so don't get it twisted...cause at the end of the day, bias or no bias, PS3 owners are some lucky mofo's...lol...and we're about to be on one hellava first party and exclusive ride in 2009 and beyond! KZ2 February 2009...and man, we're just getting started...

Kizzy 2 FTW! lol :)
freeblue  +   2148d ago
it's time to for some passive social equality protect :)
We expected some bias against the PS3.. but expecting doesn't mean we accepted it.

we should all remind the "NO-CO OP" on every shooter reviews from now on if the reviewers "forget" to minus points on their reviews.

It will be a passive protect.. no words beside the "no coop" ocmments. those brown noses will know what that means.
jBat17  +   2148d ago
@Graphics Whore
the 1up review mentioned it. broken is the word they used to describe the gears of lag 2 multi. and still gave it an A+. fanboys googles were on

even with the patch, it's still broken. heck, anything p2p is broken.

i've been spoiled by R2 in the past couple of months and moved back to COD4 to get my max emblem. but i can't stand the disconnects in COD4 because R2 never had those. that's p2p for you.
BRG9000  +   2148d ago
The more you know!
bias = noun
biased = adjective

The critics exhibit bias.
The critics ARE BIASED.
There exists bias.
Giriath  +   2148d ago
This article pretty much sums up what I've been thinking all the time with these reviewers scoring it a 9, all with these same reasons to do so. It would seem the standard of the FPS genre suddenly got upped with the release of Killzone 2. Every FPS is now expected to revolutionize the genre and it has to have co-op and visuals that top Killzone 2's without any low-resolution textures or other minor graphical issues what so ever.

What I find most ridiculous is that being the first FPS to utilize a cover system while remaining in first person, having a dynamically changing mission based multiplayer mode and being able to share abilities among classes to amount to over 50 different class set-ups is considered "not doing anything new".

Phew, Bungie better deliver Jesus with Halo 3: ODST, cause the standard just got insane.
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The Lazy One  +   2148d ago
blah
this guy needs to QQ more. The game is rated within 2 points of almost all the top rated games of all of 2008. cry me a river.
soxfan2005  +   2148d ago
Over-hyping ANYTHING will bring about negative press, and Killzone 2 has been WAY overhyped. Many on this site are already proclaiming it "best game ever". It's NOT EVEN OUT YET! Remember "Titanic" (the movie)? It was over-hyped, and initially received a lot of negative press. It however, won best picture, and is the #1 movie of all time. Maybe good things are in store for KZ2 as well. Only time will tell. But, over-hyping will only do a disservice to a game. Sony fanboys should remember this when the next big exclusive comes out.
Giriath  +   2148d ago
@soxfan2005
I think you should target that at the media, cause the Sony fanboys don't sound loud in their forums. Halo 3 did fine even though it's the most hyped game ever...at least it did fine in the reviews.
The Lazy One  +   2148d ago
@geriath
And it's scoring about the same as halo 3. What's your point?
Lifendz  +   2148d ago
Great article
Like I was just telling some guy in another new article, there is a double standard. Look at how they're reviewing KZ2. Good scores but the scores are almost because the game is so good that the gaming sites would just look silly if they knocked it down to AA or A.

I love it. I can't wait to see these guys try to jump back on Sony's D!*K. That Killzone engine is only going to get better. lol@the haters.
morganfell  +   2148d ago
Great comments Lifendz.

It has to be understood that after the infamous CGI trailer, many of these sites cast disparaging remarks on Sony and the PS3. Some even stated they would never achieve that level of detail. If they admit Sony has accomplished this (and they have indeed) then they are left with egg on their faces looking like the doubting Thomas dirtbags they are in truth.
Guitarded  +   2148d ago
Every Sony exclusive should be docked points!
Unless they are in 1080P at 120fps in 4D!
N2NOther  +   2148d ago
Timberland2K9
You're using a game that came out a year and a half ago's score against a new game. Something that they felt was disappointing nearly 2 years ago is certainly going to have a great effect on the score of a new game. Even if it is 3 tenths of a point.

It's not too much to ask for a genre game to innovate. Especially since the Gold standard of current FPS is called out on it. And really, so what if ANY game scores higher. It's still getting an amazing score.

I think Jackie Brown was the best film of 1997, and certainly better than Titanic, but that doesn't change the fact that Jackie Brown was incredibly well reviewed...And even if it wasn't, I still love the film. What matter is what YOU think...Not some guy on Gametrailers. It's really kind of silly for anyone to get their panties this much in a bunch for review score.

I know I'm going to get the game on release day. The only thing I use reviews for is to see if there is a consensus on the good and the bad and to see if any issues I don't like pop up. So far, my biggest concern is the controls. COD 4 has spoiled the hell out of me.
Alucard_420  +   2148d ago
i want the game
bla bla bla
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pain777pas  +   2148d ago
It doesn't matter what they review seriously this is PS3's time to shine. When ME1, Halo3, Bioshock and Rockband came out Xbox was the bomb now PS3 is just starting to rev enjoy every gamer out there. I said ENJOY what looks to be a great game.
Lich120  +   2147d ago
Quick note slightly on topic, I see alot of mention how critics didn't talk about the broken gears 2 multiplayer. Well, I think that largely has to do with it being impossible for them to know about. Obviously the LAN portion worked fine and felt good. Im betting thats what they saw the most of. If they were doing matchmaking then it was also probably fine at the time since the servers weren't overloaded. Just wanted to point out that maybe they weren't being bias... just not thorough enough.

But again lets keep in mind, reviewers aren't testers. If anything we should be bashing epic's testers.
Graphics Whore  +   2148d ago
It's there, you don't have to look hard. Take a quick skim across the reviews and some of the con's are histerical.
crck  +   2148d ago
That's because Sony didn't send out a $800 bride bag to all the reviewers. I can honestly say these "game journalists" are a joke. Especially that X-play review. It took no more then 20 seconds into their review to bag on the PS3 and its owners.
Lifendz  +   2148d ago
@ above
seriously, that was not called for. I agree with you completely. That ugly ***** Morgan Webb has the nerve to crack a joke like that? Okay, she can crack jokes but fair is fair--give it to both sides. I hear NO 360 jokes on there. I wonder how many times Morgan's 360 died on her assuming she even plays games for real and isn't there to serve as eye candy for viewers.

Whatever. Xplay has long been a fanboy show imo. I put them right up there with Gamespot.

IGN is a different story. Jeff Haynes gave Resistance a 9.5 and is embarrased about it. So he's playing it safe now and gave Killzone 2 a 9.4. Didn't even give a 10 in graphics. I can't believe it. Killzone 2, the most gorgeous console game to ever drop, isn't a 10 in graphics? Bad review confirmed.
DeadIIIRed  +   2148d ago
@2.2
Don't forget Kotaku's "preview" ( I guess that's what you call it when your not prestigious enough to receive a review copy) where the dude said the graphics were "too clean."
I was hoping that IGN would rise above the bs; but giving Killzone a 9 in graphics?
thereapersson  +   2148d ago
Haha
That picture is funny when viewed in the context of this article :)
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Kleptic  +   2148d ago
haha I completely agree...i thought the exact same thing right after I saw the headline...I would give you 2 bubbles if I could...maybe its time for a fake account?...

its also funny in that I saw this article right after watching that review 'preview' from GS...where the douche in the hat said 'i haven't seen character models this bad since Oblivion'...

i'll just leave it at that...there really isn't much that can be said about something so blatantly wrong...
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solideagle1  +   2148d ago
very good
article. UGO and TVG and CVG curse u.
now wait for 1up, gamespot and edge. EGM is closed so no worries from there. 1up is under UGO belt so expect teh same score 8/10.
this game should have got many many perfect scores like GTA4 and COD. its visual and frame rate stability makes this perfect game. no game matched this game's graphics so suck on that reviewers.
thanks
Sasanova  +   2148d ago
just wait till the halo ODST expansion pack comes out. another 0 personality character walking around doing nothing in a combat evolved colorful world which will obviously be so much better then kz2.
Simon_Brezhnev  +   2148d ago
and you know it lil halo fanboys going to have an orgasm for the colorful world
GrieverSoul  +   2148d ago
It will also give revolution to every game genre after!
It surpasses every thing and its the best! Good gameplay and great graphics, arguebly the best looking ever! It will be a monument and a turning point in videogame history! When OSDT laucnhes it will make the transition millions expected! Videogames will become Works of Art! A museum will be opened and a Master Chief statue raised on the front entrance with a fountain and a virtual Cortana will light up at night.

/end of sarcam/
InMyOpinion  +   2148d ago
lol @ insecurity.
bassturd  +   2148d ago
more like lol @ the truth

We know how it is. Killzone 2 is scrutinized beyond justification. Go back and look at many reviews of Halo 3 and it gets way too many passes.

Uh oh a slightly blurry texture on a barricade in Killzone 2. Minus 0.5 points! It's just how it is. Not gonna stop anyone from PS3 owners from buying the game of course. All it does is fuel these fanboy wars further cuz everyone can clearly see the biased.
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Kleptic  +   2148d ago
look people...here we are whining about it...yet any person that wasn't ignorant..which included a lot of us...KNEW it would happen...so whatever...like someone mentioned, its not going to change anything...

some people in the media just don't want graphical side of the console war to be single handedly ended by one game...ended by the first game of Sony's crazy lineup for the next year...several of which are said to be so beyond ridiculous in visuals that Sony may actually live up to how much they hyped the PS3's power...

next step...RE5 unanimously getting 'best visuals ever' from neutral websites...its definitely safer that way...not saying I agree with it (after playing the PS3 and 360 demo several times on the same HDTV, its not even close imo)...but I would put money on it getting higher marks than killzone 2 on visuals...

if we knew it was coming...why cry about it?...frankly, its a little less than I expected...overall killzone 2 is still at 93 on meta...not that I care about that either...just surprising...I was expecting the game to drop down under 90 sooner rather than later...still will happen though...
Daishi  +   2148d ago
Sasanova are you trying to advertise everything Halo? If KZ2 was an RTS would you critisize Starcraft because most Starcraft fans wouldn't play it? Your trying so hard to make KZ the next big thing and why? Just because it is or isn't popular doesn't change what you get in the box. If Halo ODST isn't any good, guess what, nobody will play it. Sure you'll have the Halo faithful buy it day one, but they would just turn around and sell it to get something else. And then people who waited wouldn't have to get a new copy lowering new sales for the game. I played KZ more than halo because of the online, but when halo 2 came out I never touched KZ again because it was so much more enjoyable to me. Will I enjoy Halo 3 more than Killzone 2, more than likely. Why? Because of the vast difference in gameplay, which is primarily because of mobility (and you can race, play soccer, take goofy photos, and other things than shooting). Does that make it a better game, absollutely not. I know people who hate the gameplay of Halo because it is so arcadey but I don't rub it in their face. KZ2 will not make or break the PS3, but it certainly will appease fans of the first one, that I am sure of.
thereapersson  +   2148d ago
This is exactly my point that I was making earlier:
"And with the review scores rolling in, we can spot some of this bias still, firstly it seems like some reviewers believe it is their job to review a product based on what it doesn't have, now I have never quite understood this logic, killzone 2 is getting scored down for lacking a co-op mode, sure that would have been a great addition, but the fact is it isn't part of the game, therefore reviewers should not take points away for the lack of the feature, to further my point take a look at the reviews of Call of Duty 4, a great shooter in many ways, with an addicting multiplayer mode, the game did not have co-op, I repeat it did not have a co-op feature, yet it was barely mentioned in reviews, and even in reviews were it was brought up, points were usually not deducted"

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CALL OF DUTY 4 DID NOT HAVE CO-OP, SO WHY DOES KILLZONE 2 GET BASHED FOR NOT HAVING IT?

It doesn't matter how much hype the game had, because EVERYONE who knew and chose to pay attention to what GG was saying already should have known the game would not be shipping with Co-Op.
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Graphics Whore  +   2148d ago
I love the new argument. "Co-op is standard this gen"

No it's not, seriously it isn't. Great, no no, LEGENDARY games don't include Co-op, they don't get deducted points for it.
ACEMANWISE  +   2148d ago
If Coop was standard this generation, then 60 player online would have been too. No Killzone 2 review docked the score for not having 60 player online. Did they?
king dong  +   2148d ago
come on stop crying
was everyone thinking this would be scoring 10's across the board for graphics alone? if you did then dont panic, coz i'm sure that every countries opm mag will give it a 10 and make you all feel better!

as i said up the page, it's not re-inventing the wheel, or re-inventing the genre for that matter. it has received great scores already from every reviewer!

but the most important thing to remember here is. the only review that should count is your own! if you love the game whats the problem? and who cares about the opinions of others? play the game and enjoy, i know i will!

just stop whinging about it not being showered with the praise every sony fanboy thinks that every sony game automatically(check spelling) desrves!!
bassturd  +   2148d ago
^

game isn't even scoring 10s in graphics tho. Ya see? Best looking console game made to date. Yet gets less points in graphics than other games?

Doesn't make sense, nor will it ever.
Kleptic  +   2148d ago
i've been getting at exactly this in several posts in other killzone 2 articles lately...

video games, at least some of them (more often than not PS3 only games)...are not reveiwed with any context of what was promised by developers...the reviewers don't care about that...they only care about what they feel it should have been...

whats even more surprising to me though is that killzone 2 DOES have co-op...you want to play a co-op match in killzone 2?...ok...setup an online multiplayer match...fill the enemy faction with 16 bots, each of which can have their own AI difficulty, and invite 15 friends...or simply let any random player join, and have it force them onto your faction...which you can setup in the match creator...

that is a 16 player horde basically...there are stats tracked...the matches can last as long as you want, and can have whatever objectives you want...or all of them in one match...you can do whatever you want with the already impressive class system of killzone 2...Sony/GG could put '16 player co-op' on the back of the box...and it would not be lying...that is what 'co-op is isn't it?...playing with other humans against AI in various scenarios?...if that isn't the very definition of cooperative play...I don't know what is...

and CoD 4?...it didn't have it...but if you look back, several 'good' reviews did point that out...the split-screen, which killzone 2 lacks, is what was used as an argument to save it from deducting points...however...the 'co-op'ish mode I just pointed out in killzone 2 should have had the same effect...

I am not complaining about review scores though...its being fairly reviewed for the most part imo...i'm just talking about the inconsistencies in the reviews when compared to competing games...not the actual score...the way that the game is reviewed, and what it has detracted score wise because of it...would make competing shooters need to have an even lower score...wouldn't it?...thats all that is being debated...
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ACEMANWISE  +   2148d ago
Take every game scored higher on Metacritic and say Killzone 2 wasn't bashed.
I'm tired of it. Killzone 2 just dropped to 93 on Metacritic. Of course, it's one point lower than Gears of War. It's exactly what I expected to happen. But just look at these higher scored games like GTA IV and tell me Killzone 2 isn't already suffering from bias. Killzone 2 gets docked on minor glitches yet GTAIV gets a 98 for freezing consoles.
N2NOther  +   2148d ago
I wouldn't say CO-OP is standard but to say that great games are without it is kind of moot because games like MGS don't lend themselves to CO-Op, but a game like Killzone 2 in which you spend the entire game with a team, then an option for co-op play is a no-brainer. Does it mean I'll like it less? Not at all, but it's a very valid complaint for an individual who feels it's omission is a mistake. Not to mention that they actually played the game and the majority of us have only read about people playing the game. I think their opinions hold just a bit more water than any of ours.
Daz  +   2148d ago
For god sake. so sad.

in others words he the saying the reviers bias because it didnt get want i wanted it to get. So fooking sad.

Get a life. instead of crying over people opinion and 9.0,9.2,9.4,9.6,9.8 and 10 are bias right?

OK 9.0 below are gbetter then above.
0verdrive  +   2148d ago
actually, if you read the article, it comments on the double standard that game reviews have for killzone2. basically its being nitpicked to death for things that would otherwise be overlooked had it not been killzone.

no coop -> cod4
nothing innovative -> gears2/halo
no story -> ALL shooters ever.
graphical issues (that dont really exist?) -> EVERY game ever.

for being the "best looking game made thus far" hes wondering why its not getting perfect scores for graphics across the board. i suspect that if killzone2 was actually named "call of duty 8: future warfare on a crazy helgan planet" it would be scoring 10s across the board. but who really knows...
Daz  +   2148d ago
Have you seen the revive gun lol? or the flame thrower?
http://www.eurogamer.pt/vie...
one of best looking screens yeah ?
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Groo  +   2148d ago
I don't care about the scores honestly, but if this was a 360 exclusive or multiplatform it would have gotten more 10's. I agree totally with this article.

Edit: btw ppl are making a fuss about bias reviews because its getting dinged for no co-op.
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0verdrive  +   2148d ago
well... screenshots don't always give people an accurate picture, its like taking a sentence of a book out of context. i could run to the an obscure corner or a map in any game, stand 3 inches from a wall, take a pixelated screenshot, and claim that the graphics are "unimpressive". but once the game is in motion, its really clear to see if the graphics are impressive or not. if you arent impressed with all the footage shown so far then i really dont have any idea why your gaming, because it seems that you must think that every game preceeding kz2 looks like crap, or at least "really unimpressive".

lol although i have seen that revive gun and THAT really doesnt impress. but then again, ill wait to play the game to see. and im a little confused about the flamethrower, when they first released footage of it, everyone exploded saying how amazing it was, and now in the final release everyone thinks it looks like crap? ill wait til the retail game comes out, but i just thought that it was weird.

/endrant
N2NOther  +   2148d ago
Groo
Spare me the BS. The Playstation Official Magazine UK game a 9/10...Are they biased towards 360 exclusives? God, this conspiracy nonsense the lot of you spew is beyond absurd.

What all of you aren't getting is that each review is done by different people with different sensibilities and taste so naturally the game is going to be scored differently than other games. You cite Gears 2 as a comparable score? Me? I was underwhelmed but apparently a lot, and I mean A LOT of people loved it. Fable 2 has gotten ridiculous amounts of praise and I think it's incredibly overrated. Big deal.

You act like a lesser score for this game is going to hurt it. Trust me, the people I know that have a PS3 can't wait and a very good friend of mine is getting a PS3 JUST so he can play this game. It's going to do fine.
Bebedora  +   2148d ago
I think it is more about making people click on to their website and make a stirr than hating it, which (hate & bias) seems to be present though.
Daz  +   2148d ago
But how is 9.0 and above bias ? #

edit: there no need to call me a moran because you didnt like what i said, grow up.
ITS someone opinion and you dont like it.
All over a bloody game LOL

Tell why it deserves more come on? Its only a question dont call me a moron over it .
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caladbolg777  +   2148d ago
But how is 9.0 and above bias ?
If it's not the score that the game deserved. Regardless of if the scores were 5.0 and above, 8.0 and above, or 9.0 and above, if a game does not receive the score that it deserves (high or low) without valid justification for the score, then one might say that the reviewer has bias (either "for" or "against").

Oh, and by the way, Daz, you're a moron.
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ChilliDemon  +   2148d ago
And a bubble goes to you caladbolg for spelling 'moron' correctly.
ChilliDemon  +   2148d ago
^^
A disagree!! Really?!! He did get a bubble, and he did spell 'moron' correctly. You better believe it.
Bebedora  +   2148d ago
It's not the score I am talking about. The response from people. They knew it would cause a reaction, pulling down the score for strange reasons. Or is it legit to put down the score for not having co-op?

I still believe they do drag it down for hits and/or for hating a console. That is very obvious there are people doing so. Besides journalists, that is :)
Sanzee  +   2148d ago
Fanboys are F@gs
Here come the excuses. Anything to convince themselves that Killzone 2 is the greatest game of all time. Look, the game is kicking ass. Why isn't this enough for you guys? Just because it's not the "Halo-Killer" you were all hoping for, doesn't mean its not great.

As of this hour, it's got a 92% rating on GameRankings. That's pretty good. Stop giving yourselves excuses. Ecspecially when it's from a site that isn't even very popular.

I could start a blog RIGHT NOW, write some sh*t about Killzone 2 or Halo Wars, and whatever I say, someone who agrees would post it on N4G. The fanboys on here are f*cking clowns. Yes, that means YOU.
Graphics Whore  +   2148d ago
Gamerankings only has 19 or 20 reviews while Metacritic is at 36 and no offense but you sound like a whiney b!tch.
Capt CHAOS  +   2148d ago
@Sanzee
Amen. Well put.
Helghast Slayer  +   2148d ago
hahaha that article hit it right on the nail. Looks like the truth brought out the xbrats. Face it the media is biased and AAA ps3 games have never been given a chance. They nit-pick to reassure themselves that the games are not on par with their beloved American engineered (RROD,E7 ERROR and Disk scratching) pos hardware.

PS3 games are stretching further away from the pack and fanboys just can't stand it lol. Well guess what? the pain is only gonna worsen throughout the 2009 and beyond. Hope you all enjoy Halo wars lol.
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ultimolu  +   2148d ago
You missed the point of the f*cking article.

It's not the scores the article was referring to. It's the fact that points are being deducted for things you don't see in other games such as the no co-op feature. If Call of Duty didn't have it, then why was KZ2 attacked for it? And on top of that, you have really stupid comments being made about a few texture popups.

This has NOTHING to do with fanboyism or anything of that nature. If you're going to review a game, then review it FAIRLY.

That's all PS3 fans are asking for.
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rekonizakilla  +   2148d ago
Sanze=Silly little boy.
Why don't you feck off then? Anyway I thaught it was a good read with a few good points.
Kill Crow  +   2148d ago
Oh the poor PS3 fans
think they're getting a bumb deal just because someone reviews their beloved game at 9 instead of 10 .... oh cry me a river .... it's a world wide conspiacry .... there's a global secret society bent on defrauding the PS3 fan boys of their beloved perfect scores they expect from every single exclusive ....

When 360 post good sales - M$ are lying
When Ps3 post good sales - Sony are simply doing what they do

When 360 games score high - M$ paid for the scores
When ps3 games score high - it's NOT HIGH ENOUGH IT HAS TO BE PERFECT IT's A GLOBAL CONSPIRACY MAN!!!!!!!

This site's fannyboyism is a poor reflection on the industry ... all the bad stuff rolled up tight into one little place on the net ... news for little girls who thinks the WHOLE world is out to get them ..

*rolls-eyes*
morganfell  +   2148d ago
I love people like this Kill Crow. They point fingers at other people as if they themselves are not involved in the very thing they accuse others of practicing. Fracking smelly little hypocrite pure and simple. At least others mark where they crap pure and simple whereas he rolls around in his like it's a safety blanket. It's impossible to look people in the face and talk to them when they have a huge turd stuck to the side of their head and even worse they think it's a fashion accessory or it's simply not there. Fail. Just one more for the ignore pile.

I called this business in 2 separate posts over the past couple of days. As I said, it isn't that Killzone 2 isn't getting 10s. It is the fact they are dinging it for things which other games either get a pass or for which Killzone 2 simply does better. This is the gist that the two dirtbags above flat out miss. This sandy or sanzee jumped the gun so quick he rammed the barrel right down his throat. Something he is obviously used to and likely enjoys.

When a site like IGN gives GTA VI a 10 in graphics yet docks Killzone 2 points for the same there are obviously no standards at that webzine. All PS3 fans are requesting is regularity and standards, not special treatment. Too bad something so simple as uniformity is beyond the grasp of at least two feeble minds in this thread.

Millions of people just watched the Superbowl. Why? With very few changes, and none of them revolutionary, the game is the same that it was for 100 years. You don't see people running out trying to invent new types of football rather they try to make the current version better. Killzone 2 has done that with FPS gaming.
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Kill Crow  +   2148d ago
it's the perfect conspiracy
if you speak out against it you become part of it ...

Really lame morgan ... even by you "HIGH" standards ...
Jerk120  +   2148d ago
It's okay.

It's quite obvious Morgan is an idiot.

See how he did that GTAVI there?

IT'S GTAIV MORON.

I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX X
ultimolu  +   2148d ago
I love how you guys attack morgan for a simple typo. I'm sure he meant IV. At least he makes sense in his comments.
Jerk120  +   2148d ago
How many times do I need to tell you to shut up and get back in your cage?
ultimolu  +   2148d ago
Make me shut up Sleipnir. I can say whatever I want to say. You don't f*cking own me so back the f*ck down.
Kill Crow  +   2148d ago
ultimolu
ultimate fail ... you say he speaks sense when he says stuff like this:

"At least others mark where they crap pure and simple whereas he rolls around in his like it's a safety blanket. It's impossible to look people in the face and talk to them when they have a huge turd stuck to the side of their head and even worse they think it's a fashion accessory or it's simply not there."

You show your true colours there girl .... you're just like him ...

edit @ Below: - Oh please, like no PS3 fan boy ever ripped into the crapboxFail60 ... please ... there's plenty of fann boys on both sides .... Look at you siding with him and saying he speaks sense when it's complete and utter nonsense ... You're just another failed fanny boy/girl whatever ... put your blinkers on and carry on complaining why you super duper game didn't get a perfect score instead of the great score ....
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ultimolu  +   2148d ago
Kill Crow, maybe he had his reasons for saying that. Maybe you guys deserved hearing that.

Yeah, I'm just like him, especially when we get f*cking sick and tired of you guys bashing the PS3 to death. And you WONDER why PS3 fans attack the 360. Maybe they're sick and tired of the biased sh*t. Maybe this prompts them to say things they probably wouldn't have said otherwise.
Jerk120  +   2148d ago
Wow, Ultimolu, that's some reply..

But you're wrong.

You CAN'T say whatever you want to say

because

I OWN YOU.

IF anyone needs to back the fk down it's YOU.
ultimolu  +   2148d ago
Boy, you don't own sh*t. The only thing you own is your mouth. Nothing that comes out of it is remotely competent and on top of that, you think you're badass because you're telling me to 'get back to my cage'?

Oooh, I'm scared now! A boy on teh interwebz told me to get back to teh cage!

Give it up.

And once again, you back the f*ck down. You started with me first when I wasn't even talking to you! Mind ya damn business!

EDIT: Obviously, you didn't read my comments carefully Kill Crow. I said 'And you wonder why PS3 fans attack the 360, meaning that the same sh*t happens on both sides of the fence! From since 2006, you guys have been attacking the PS3 for having no games, but when the games start rolling in...you talk them down! When PSN wasn't all that, you guys attacked it. Now it's even better than a year ago, you're still ragging on it. Sony implemented all of these improvements and yet you guys still attack the PS3. The RROD still exists, which is why PS3 fans use that as ammunition against 360 fanboys.

Get over yourself. Oh, and fanboy/fangirl is one word.
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morganfell  +   2148d ago
I love these bunch of pansy nancy boys. If all you can do is note two transposed letters then your argument fails miserably, much like you have in life.

And as far as attacking a conspiracy and becoming part of it, you overlook the larger issue. If you mention undeniable facts such as those that were brought up in the article you automatically become a conspiracy nut and are laughed at. After all, that is how you handle the truths in a conspiracy. Step 1 CALL IT A CONSPIRACY. There is instantly a stigma assigned to it.

Sorry, people like me are not a bunch of cowards that will stand by and watch the obvious and then turn our heads. You 3 bubble facks can go ahead and poke your heads in the sand. Of course like any ostrich in that position the most prominent part of your body is your ass...which has been prominently on display here.
n to the b  +   2148d ago
WTF ultimolu?? f-in' chill! do u not realize there are many times more PS3 fans on n4g than there are 360 fans?
ultimolu  +   2148d ago
Lol, no sh*t! And yet 360bfanboys claim that PS3 fans took over N4G. And don't tell me to chill out. I'm not chilling out until we all sit down, play the damn games and stop this crap.
Rhoic  +   2148d ago
Killzone 2 is only 1 point higher on Metacritic and is at 36 scores. a 93. And it is slowly declining. Sorry HD, but that was a pretty whiny comment back.
NewZealander  +   2148d ago
@ sanzee
i find the use of the f word u used verry biggoted and offencive, are you racist too?
Ashton  +   2148d ago
eventhough the scores are high
the double standard is pretty obvious.

one of the guys in the gamespot preview video said the game has above average graphics,,,lool.I mean come on.who are we kidding here?

or IGN gave GTA4 10 fro graphics despite infinite number of low res textures and pop-ins but a 9.5 because they saw couple of low res shadows lool(he actually says in the podcast that he gave 9.5 due to couple of low res shadows in the game)
Daz  +   2148d ago
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thereapersson  +   2148d ago
Yeah, I remember that "low-res shadow / texture" complaint. There really was nothing else to nitpick about, so because of a few RANDOM times where there weren't perfect shadows, the graphics get knocked down because of it.

Let's face it, I am not looking for a 10 on this game because no game is worthy of a 10. However, Killzone 2 still has the best graphics of any current console title, so the nitpicking is really obvious when it happens.
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Citizen_King  +   2148d ago
I almost had a feeling that most reviewers wanted to give it a 10, but didn't because they were concerned with sounding unbias.

KZ2 made them sh*t in their pants, but they don't want you to smell it.
INehalemEXI  +   2148d ago
lol
Groo  +   2148d ago
hahahah!!! bubble for u
Ashton  +   2148d ago
for god sake gears 2 online was/is broken
and non of the freaking reviews even mentioned it.

how is that for double standard?
Death  +   2148d ago
It is hard to review online gameplay.
You can review the modes of online play, but with a review copy of the game chances are you won't find many people online to find all the problems you would had you reviewed it after launch. I'm disappointed K2 doesn't have co-op mode. If it had it, it would have scored slightly better. Reviewers are also saying some of the effects look pretty bad like the flame effects. This isn't picking, they are reviewing the game.

In all honesty the game has a current metacritic score of 93. http://www.metacritic.com/g... I think this is very good considering the original Killzone has a 70 on metacritic. http://www.metacritic.com/g... Saying the reviews are biased and unfair sounds kind of lame and detracts from the fact it is scoring very well.

For those playing at home, Halo 3 has a metacritic score of 94. http://www.metacritic.com/g... Killzone 2 scoring the same as Halo 3 says alot and is something to be proud of. Demanding it score perfectly is not only absurd, it's very childish.

-Death
DJ  +   2148d ago
Actually, I've seen nothing but praise for the Napalm Weapon
As the flame effects are apparently very impressive. No game should be docked for not having certain game modes. I still remember Heavenly Sword getting lowered scores because there wasn’t any Multiplayer, like Capture the Flag or Team Deathmatch.

Judge what’s there. If the co-op sucks, let us know. If it’s great, let us know. But if it doesn’t exist in the first place, don’t criticize it. Criticizing game modes that don’t even exist is borderline insanity.
The Lazy One  +   2148d ago
@"Judge what’s there. If the co-op sucks, let us know. If it’s great, let us know. But if it doesn’t exist in the first place, don’t criticize...
wat? how are you supposed to rank anything then? Would you give pong a 10/10? Name one thing wrong with the game without naming a feature it doesn't have.

Would you give goldeneye a 10/10 BY TODAY'S STANDARDS? it's pretty hard to control once you're used to dual analogue, and most people would mark it down for that, but according to you, you can't fault a game for missing an analogue stick.
Fishy Fingers  +   2148d ago
Who cares either way, you don't base your purchases on reviews scores, and even if you did, I imagine you would have a site/source that you know falls inline with your tastes.

People are to quick to label people "bias", it seems to have simply become a new standard expression for "a difference of opinion". Because largely, thats what it is. I'm not suggesting some site/sources dont use underhand tactic to drum up more hits or whatever but not all of them.

Either way, I find it somewhat strange questioning someones opinion/review of a game when they have played it and we haven't.

I just play the games I know/think I will enjoy, whether some dude I've never meet hits it with a 5/10 or 10/10.
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stevenhiggster  +   2148d ago
Have to say I totally agree with you. All reviewers will have some 'bias' it's not really bias, it's just their opinion. You don't have to like it. I personally tend to ignore most reviews, there are a few sources that I know and trust, but mostly I ignore them. I think Demo's are the best way to see if you like a game, for example, I played the demo of Jericho and really liked it, the game recieved mediocre reviews at best, but I still bought and I loved it (apart from the end) whereas I played the demo for Resi 5 and deleted it straight away because it sucked so bad. No doubt it will score pretty highly in reviews, but I sure as hell won't be geting it. So make up your own mind people, I know I do.
InMyOpinion  +   2148d ago
@Fishy Fingers
Agreed. People laugh at me when I say I think Banjo Nuts & Bolts was one of the best games last year. I don't think they do it because they spent time with the game themselves but primarily because it didn't do well in the majority of reviews. Banjo got very scattered review scores. Some gave it 9/10 while others gave it 6/10. In any case, some reviewers taste in games is always bound to clash with the dominating opinion, just like my love for Banjo clashes with the majority of N4G members. It would be weird if it didn't.
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Kleptic  +   2148d ago
I agree with all of you...

one thing though...visuals are somewhere where 'a difference in opinion' and 'bias' are completely seperate...or at least should be...

visuals in games are comprised of 2 seperate entities overall...art and tech...tech is something that should simply be a by the books affair in terms of reviews...art is obviously something more subjective...

so take killzone 2's tech for example...if a reviewer could illustrate that it falls short in tech with any credible evidence...than it would not be biased in anyway...but instead...we get stuff like 'it has the worst character models since Oblivion' from GS...that would be fine...if it was remotely true...look at the friggin character model attached to this article...Sev with an awesome grimace...is that a bad character model...is that on par with Oblivion?...seriously?...

the same thing with the same kid saying 'some shadows are full of jaggies'...ok...that could be...but it undermines the fact that killzone 2 is creating 6x the shadows as other titles...the muzzle flare of a weapon in killzone 2 creates a dynamic shadow around everything...yet it gets hit because that shadow, which is not created in any other game, may be a bit aliased if you grab a screenshot of that instant?...even though it overall creates a far more realistic and immersive lighting engine...

reviewers can complain about the color scheme...or the architecture of helghan...etc...those are all areas where art comes into play...but not about tech issues I just mentioned...killzone 2 does stuff no other title to date does...for the 1 or 2 shortcomings, that other titles have anyway (CoD 4 for example...ever look at a shadow edge in that?)...and you are taking time away from where you should be saying 'the game has real time procedural wind calculated ALL THE TIME'...or 'particle effects result in showers of sparks that clip and react off the environment, and are influenced by the procedural wind'...or 'the animation system of killzone 2 is unlike any real time game to date'...'the lighting engine for killzone 2 supports hundreds of real lights on screen at once, all creating dynamic shadows realistically around everything that they should'...etc.etc.etc...I could go on for hours on what killzone 2 does that no other title does...and reviewers should too...yet instead...mention...'ah, it has a blurry texture back in that corner'...or 'the character models are as bad as Oblivion' (that one needed mentioned again)...

so the term 'biased', imo, is being used in a correct fashion at times...you can't really argue against killzone 2 doing a lot more than all competition...unless of course you are reaching for things to pick at, simply because you have a biased opinion against it...thats all i am pointing out...

and jenzo...Banjo may be the most underrated game of last year imo...my cousin owns it...and I have had a blast with it for the past few weeks...its similar to uncharted in that regard in 2007...review scores being all over the place...some good...some bad...
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Jimis78  +   2148d ago
killzone 2 seems to be a very good game....
but it's not perfect.visually it's great and the gameplay is for sure very enjoyable but just like every good fps game KZ 2 has it's flaws as well. there's just too much hype about this game because visually it seems to be the best ps 3 game,so that's why every negative comment is being understood as ''biased''. don't care that much about reviews.just play the game and if u like it then it's a good one. My brother has a ps 3 so we'll spend many hours playing it...
Groo  +   2148d ago
Halo 3 had more hype and got better scores... hmmmmm
IWentBrokeForGaming  +   2148d ago
OH NO!!! KILLZONE 2 GOT 2 BAD REVIEWS IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!
Sony fans honestly need to take a f**king chill pill already. KZ2 is respectfully getting 9.5's mostly across the board with a 10 here and there. I've only seen like 2 8's reviews, and you guys act as if thats bad and it's the end of the world... dear god man.... Who cares if there are indeed BIASED reviewers out there? (which there are obviously). BIASED reviews DON'T just effect PS3 games, EVERY console get's BASHED because of BIASED journalists and BIASED fanboys. Its been this way since this gen began, at least to this disgusting out of hand degree it has reached. But I feel fanboyism truely didn't come about until the PS2 sky rocketed the way it did. It was a wrecking ball. Now some how all that persona has snowballed and cluster f**ked into fanboyism beyond all beliefs. Then Xbox fanboys delt with not doing jacks#!t to the PS2 market last gen, to this gen FINALLY taking a healthy chunk of PS3's market share... which then justifys the fanboyism of 360 fans, cause they love rubbing it in that the underdog made a comeback and has been successful at sticking around. While Nintendo Fanboys sit back and laugh at the fact that their last gen/next gen release with worse graphics than BOTH 360 and PS3 is totally obliterating them in sales (which is kinda sad). But it's the truth. Fanboyism in general just sucks and it's ruining this hobby/passion for a lot of us that are just out there to play the damn games and enjoy them.

all in all...

Be your own reviewer, not everyone likes the same things... and you're entitled to your own personal taste! and that is all that matters most!
ChilliDemon  +   2148d ago
Amen
Groo  +   2148d ago
Your right, but I think PS3 owners just want a fair shake, thats all.
InMyOpinion  +   2148d ago
*hands out tissues*
ChilliDemon  +   2148d ago
Jenzo, can I have a tissue please? You're not going to want it back, now, are you? ;)
Firstkn1ghT  +   2148d ago
LMAO!!!!
This is great!!!! I'm having fun reading these comments.

KZ2 is averaging a fantastic 93 so far and they're complaining!!! HAHA!!!
anh_duong  +   2148d ago
thank about what you just wrote there for a minute:

being unhappy about a 9.3 review is actually amazing position to be in..
Kleptic  +   2148d ago
seriously...I do need a tissue...i've had this damn cold since last week...and I am dripping everywhere...its gross...
BattleAxe  +   2148d ago
There is total bias in game reviews or at least MS spends alot of money to make sure the reviews are good. When HALO: Odd Street(ODST)comes out it will get 10/10 all over the place. Gears 2 was a shoe-in for 10/10 scores even though it was a broken game.

For the most part I'm happy with the scores I've seen, but its just terrible that the gaming media are so biased.
IWentBrokeForGaming  +   2148d ago
you did get a tissue from Jenzo right?
lol
InMyOpinion  +   2148d ago
There there, BattleAxe. Let it all out.

It would feel less biased if all reviewers shared exactly the same opinion and all awarded Killzone 2 perfect 10's, wouldn't it?

We all know Killzone 2 has no flaws since none of us have played it yet.
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Kleptic  +   2148d ago
i've playe it...and it has flaws...at least it 'did' in MP in November...

not visually though...not tech wise, and i loved the art direction...put a hole in a desk chair with an m82g...and then see the hole in the shadow underneath it...walk into it to flip it over...then crouch and fire through that same hole to kill an enemy without harming the chair anymore...or split the thing into 6 pieces if you want, and push it off the balcony...letting 16 guys kick around your pieces all over the place without it 'disappearing'...these may be subtle little details to the visuals of the game...but killzone 2 is one of those few titles that lack 'realism flaws'..if it is something 'realistic' you want to do, and its grounded in the gameplay, chances are...you can always do it...(read: don't expect to drop a nuke and see what happens)...

the issues it had where with some balancing acts...the assault class was a bit over powered...the medics revive weapon could be spammed entirely, getting your teammates stuck in limbo if you wanted...things like that...

if the final game has issues like that...those are flaws entirely...making the game not perfect...but whenever someone starts whining about a jaggy shadow, which may be less jaggy than any other console game anyway...its simply piss in the wind...
NegativeCreep427  +   2148d ago
Great Article.
Highlights:

"killzone 2 is getting scored down for lacking a co-op mode, sure that would have been a great addition, but the fact is it isn't part of the game, therefore reviewers should not take points away for the lack of the feature, to further my point take a look at the reviews of Call of Duty 4, a great shooter in many ways, with an addicting multiplayer mode, the game did not have co-op, I repeat it did not have a co-op feature, yet it was barely mentioned in reviews, and even in reviews were it was brought up, points were usually not deducted."

"neither Halo nor Call of duty 4, revolutionised the genre, yet they were never docked points for it. Reviewers say Killzone 2 is 'samey' with a weak story and cliche FPS techniques, I am sorry to once again disagree but I have never seen a more cliche War story than that of Call of Duty 4, and again nobody felt the need to mention it."

"'Call of Duty 4 and Halo 3 were both great looking games at the respective times of their release, however they still had low-res textures and poor character models in some places, yet reviewers simply ignored them, Killzone 2 however, every low-res texture is spotted and the game is criticised'"

Finally all the B.S. that accompanies PS3 exclusives is displayed all out in the open for everyone to see and understand. The Double-Standards within the media against the Playstation 3 are not a myth, they are FACT!!!
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LewisDenby  +   2148d ago
Biggest mass stupidity since the release of Metal Gear Solid 4?

Bias. Bias against/towards what? It's the new buzzword, isn't it? "People are criticising a game I have on pre-order! THAT'S DEVALUING MY DECISION TO BUY IT! THAT MEANS YOU'RE BIASED!" Do people genuinely think that professional games critics are going to get drawn into the 'console wars'? Games critics get paid to voice their opinions about a game. They're also not teenagers who can only afford to buy one console and stick with it for dear life.

(It's why I find it funny when, for example, people accuse Eurogamer of being biased towards the 360, when their writers' list is comprised primarily of people who also work for loads of format-specific mags like PC Gamer and PSX.)

I kind of got it with MGS4. HUGE sequel to one of the best loved franchises in the world. Killzone less so. It's a first follow-up to a *reasonably* well-received title. It's just had a mammoth PR campaign behind it. And all this nonsense just baffles me.

I can't believe we've seen a day when a game with a Metacritic average score of 93% is causing people to call out reviewers for being overly critical.

Anyway, this writer claims to have played KZ2 but he hasn't. You can tell. Firstly, well, Sony have a very strict list of who they're sending pre-release copies to. While obviously I don't have access to their traffic data, I sincerely doubt a site that generates next to no comments on its articles is receiving the 200,000 unique readers per month Sony currently require proof of in order to send you Killzone 2. But ever aside from that, there just no detail in his piece. No reference to any part of KZ2 - just to other games this guy reckons KZ2 will be better than.

It's pathetic. It really is. Just look at yourselves, everyone.
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Time_Is_On_My_Side  +   2148d ago
LewisDenby
Actually if you went to school you would know what bias means and because of the industry I'm thinking of starting my own site to show everyone what an unbiased review looks like. I agree that most if not all of the gaming journalism is bias, I've read their reviews and they aren't consistent. They contradict each other, make subjective statements as facts, or even add a little prejudice in the writing.

The articulation of users maybe off but their complaints are valid, learn to read in-between the lines. It isn’t about who’s console is better it’s about the games themselves. If you read GameSpot’s Review Criteria technically speaking if a game gets a score below 8.5 it isn’t worth buying in their eyes. That doesn’t make sense and a 5.0 means “‘merely average’ in the negative sense” so now being average is a negative? According to them their weaknesses outweigh their strengths and that’s why they keep reviewing sports titles so high. To me it’s messed up because every year it’s the same game thus making it average, it doesn’t mean it’s bad, just not different. That is one example of a site that can’t keep consistent.

Trust me on this that I'll come out with a website where people can finally see games for what they are. Doing gaming journalism right.
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CertifiedGamer  +   2148d ago
The bitsh in x-play bashed the ps3
The bitsh said that we have something to spend our money on other than heavenly sword action figures and anti depressants.
Stupid ho is mad xbox doesn't have anything for this year and this game proves ps3 is more powerful which upsets her.
The graphics arent the exact match of what weve seen in earlier trailers but believe us we arent complaining.
Bitsh the graphics are better than the old trailers be mad that the xbox can match those graphics.
Mizz_mai  +   2147d ago
I AGREE
killzone 2 is definately not first thing weve been waiting to spend money on when she made that statement i wanted to borrow a gun quick time....but whatever such is the nature of the industry at the moment and we have to deal with it....killzone 2 is still the greatest shooter ever lets just enjoy it and relax....??
lelo  +   2148d ago
Oh boy ... here we go again. PS3 fanboys need to grow up... this is getting embarrassing already. You guys are starting to behave like little brats complaining and whining about everything.

If a game gets a 10 then it's deserved.... if it gets a 9, then the reviewer is bias. No game is perfect. No matter what the game it is, some people are going to like it more then others.

PS. report the story because it's lame... you should do the same.
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AngryHippo  +   2148d ago
Its seriously getting ridiculous.....
.....I have never ever seen so many people moan about scores 9.0 and above. Most people complain when a game gets a 7 or maybe an 8, but come on 9 and above from like 90% of reviewers and complaints still happen.

I don't think anyone in this thread is in a position to complain about reviews being biassed since how many of the people in this thread have played through the entire single player campaign? and spent numerous time playing the final build of mp? No one. These reviewers are doing their job, reviewing the game based on playing the whole finished product and are in a better position to give a verdict than anyone in here.

Review scores should be got rid of completely by all reviewers. It just causes too many issues and people constantly moaning, comparing scores from games in different genres and on different consoles, its ridiculous.

People should get a review in word form, no scores. They will have to read the whole thing, take the good comments with the bad, and form their own opinion on whether or not to pick the game up.
Sir Ken_Kutaragi  +   2148d ago
Not all sites gave -
MGS4 10/10
LBP 10/10
WipeOut:HD 10/10
GT:Pro 10/10
MotorStorm 2 10/10
Uncharted 10/10
Resistance 2 10/10
PJ:Eden 10/10
R&Clank:TOD 10/10
But...I LOVED all of them!!! ;-P
Excellent Gameplay and Graphics to;) I couldn't ask for more;)
People who worship the internet scores are SAD!!! ;-D
Firstkn1ghT  +   2148d ago
LMAO!!!!
And the crying continues.....*

Oh man I love reading these whiny comments. This is rich! Keep them coming boys! :)
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shawnsl65  +   2148d ago
so i guess reviewers have set PS3 Exclusives at a higher standard than other games when reviewing them. That explains the criticalness and nit picking.
PirateThom  +   2148d ago
To me, that's not a bad thing.

PS3 exclusives get nitpicked to hell and always will, so when it does get a good score it actually means something, while games like Gears 2 and Fable 2 have elements that just don't work and get a free pass.

But I don't even think it's bias against the PS3, the gaming media made their own bed and now they're lying it in, they bashed Killzone 2 for the better part of 2 years and now they're having to face up to it and many have to find flaws just to prove to themselves they were right. Flaws that other games get away with, like Call of Duty 4. That 9/10 must have killed Chris Buffa (GameDaily) because he knew he couldn't score it lower.
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shawnsl65  +   2148d ago
haha so true~ prlly was teething his fingernails away.

on another note. The phantom disagreers are back #_#.
Firstkn1ghT  +   2148d ago
HEY JENZO! We need more tissues over here.
PirateThom  +   2148d ago
The only people crying are people with out a PS3 since they didn't get to play GOTY 2008 or GOTY 2009. ;)
InMyOpinion  +   2148d ago
@F1stkn1ghT
I'm all out. Currently on the phone with Kleenex telling them to send reinforcements to this disaster area, or "Cryzone" as we refer to it.

@PirateThom - I don't deny the greatness of Killzone 2. The game looks nothing short of superb. What I don't get is why you cry so much over the great reception it's getting?
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kewlkat007  +   2148d ago
Some of you PS3 fans are the worst for a game with it's score and praise..
cry like babies.....

Review scores aren't suppose to matter riiight..but I get the feeling there is more to it than just a review score.

Everything is Bias or conspiracy..delusional some have become.

You can't read a review/score and know it's an opinion just as yours soon will be, when this game hits.
HDgamer  +   2148d ago
You're nothing more than a fanboy
Why is killzone 2 getting points knocked down for not having co-op? I'll tell you why, the game is so good to them they wanted co-op they create news that says the creators wanted to put in co-op. But Call of Duty 4 didn't have co-op which was an amazing game. Metal gear solid 4 didn't have co-op, even Resistance 2 main story didn't have co-op all around. The scores for the reviews have been good so far but why does a game get points off for lacking features that it doesn't have? Should SFIV have points knocked off for not having 4 player matches?
kewlkat007  +   2148d ago
why don't you go read reviews for every other game
and come up with a list, of why, them games did not get a 10.0 but still average a 9.0+ while you continue to cry like lil B$#ches .

Wahh..wahhhhh..wahhhhh
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HDgamer  +   2148d ago
Crying? Show me where I'm crying, all I'm saying is that there seems to be a double standard. This game shouldn't get deducted points for a feature that was never implemented. Play Condemned 2 Blood Shot, an amazing survival horror game that should've had co-op. Did it have it, now it didn't sadly. Did that affect the score, no. That's the point, also by looking at your comments don't you belong in the open zone where you can freely flame other people for their opinions on the subject? You clearly show favoritism and pure ignorance that lacks logical thinking and coherently responding to others without getting mad or pissed off.
Kornholic  +   2148d ago
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Microsoft had actually something to do with PS3 exclusives getting biased reviews.

I mean such a mediocre game like Halo 3 got perfect 10's from multiple sources even though Bungie couldn't get the ugly graphics run in HD and gameplay is the worst I've ever had to deal with. Don't get me even started with the multiplayer. I don't really dig the whole concept of one clip one kill.

Gears of War was an entertaining game but GeoW2 was literally crap. Socom: Confrontation got low scores because servers didn't work properly during the first weeks but Gears of War 2 got away with it like nothing.

I guess video gaming media is one of the most corrupted lol.
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condemmedman  +   2148d ago
socom was a online dependent game Gears was not . Think about what you are saying!!
X_GAMER_X  +   2148d ago
Who cares the game is off the chartz boy
the people who have seen this game in motion or in video or even in text will get it on day 1.. its nothin new that the madia is no accurate now adays..
dazzalfc  +   2148d ago
Hmm....
I think alot of the Xbox360 fans are missing the point here.

I dont think many have a problem with the scores Killzone 2 has been getting, which have been extremely good. What people are complaining about are the points that are getting took off the game not having elements in there that other games don't have either, yet they get far more glowing reviews. Its the consistency that is lacking, and that people do not like. If your scoring a game down for one thing (e.g. the lack of co-op) then every other game should be treated equal, and if that doesn't include co-op, should be docked similar points for it too.

It happens far too much in the gaming media, no matter what piece of hardware the game appears on. Surely, as gamers, we should request at least a little bit of consistency when it coems to reviews?

I do think the hardcore element of both sides (PS3 and 360) need to book into a mental clinic though, the site is becoming unbearable with the amount of sausage jockeys running around doing nothing but trying to wind each other up.
Time_Is_On_My_Side  +   2148d ago
dazzalfc
Finally someone who isn't bias comments on the topic in a mature manner.
HDgamer  +   2148d ago
He is completely right
Why in the world is killzone 2 getting knocked down for not having co-op mode? I mean yeah I would like it in but still they never hinted or said it would be there. They didn't give COD4 a con for the lack of co-op.
Death  +   2148d ago
At the same time why give them points they don't deserve for not having it?
Online co-op would have made the game better. How can it receive a perfect score when it could have been better? Do we give games a pass that has no multiplayer at all? How about games with bad graphics? If the dev never states they would have been good, does that mean it's reviewed differently?

-Death
solidjun5  +   2148d ago
"Do we give games a pass that has no multiplayer at all?"
apparently we do. Bioshock got a free pass numerous times. While I completely agree with the comment "Online co-op would've made the game better", a little bit of consistency would be a welcome site for everyone. Anyway, in the end, 24 agonizing days remain for KZ2.
DJ  +   2148d ago
But the problem, Death, is that
COD4 didn’t get docked at all for a lack of co-op, and gained plenty of perfect scores despite a Very short campaign mode (6 hours) and technical hiccups in the multiplayer mode.
user3915800  +   2148d ago
Here comes the PS3 B!TCHES with oh my god the game really sucks d!ck
The game its mediocre at best, its no where near of been high quality, but just another copy cat with bad story lines. So once again f@ck all you sony b!tches.
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