Why are we concerning ourselves with sales? Last time I checked the only thing that effects our pocket books is the consumption of these video games. So why are you arguing over console sales?
To the consumers it does.
Wow, you're a bitter little person.
FYI the consumers are gamers. Do you honestly think that matters to true gamers and do you think the Wii is a better system than the Xbox360 or PS3?
lot to Greenberg these days too. Of course this equation doesn't work at all in that regard.
but sales affect prices, which are definitely important to gamers. And if one console sold poorly enough, it could mean terrible things for some gamers. Honestly, I think both the 360 and PS3 have their own strengths and weaknesses. Neither is really better than the other overall. The Wii, however, sells well because of its casual fanbase. There are still plenty of hardcore Wii gamers, but without the casual gamers, the Wii wouldn't be selling as good as it is.
Sony avatar, check. Killzone reference, check. Needlessly insulting another console, check. Well I think you covered all the bases.. does it matter who plays what? just enjoy gaming.
"Simple mathematics. It sells more means more potential for sells of software there fore more developers making content for your system. If a system isnt selling well why would they spend the money to make a game on it that wont have enough ppl to buy it." That would hold water except the PS3 probably has more exclusives than the 360 in 2009 (so far announced).
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No it doesn't. Do you hear parents discussing whether to buy a wii "because it's outsold the PS3 and 360"? No. Sales. Don't. Matter. End.
AAaaaaaaa sk8boy the result of 13 year old inbreed hics having children.
Does the welfare of your country's economy affect you as a citizen? If your answer is no, then you're either living in some weird country or have cheese for brains. This is so simple that it's hard for me to see how people fail to understand it. Let's make another example: you live in a rented apartment, does the welfare of the landlord's economy affect you? Yes! If the landlord doesn't have any money, he can't possibly service the property he owns. How does this apply for console sales? If Microsoft's or Sony's gaming division isn't doing well, they won't have enough money to publish and develop games or other software that they otherwise would. If they're doing really bad, they may even decide to pull the plug on the console in question, or even the whole division. No more games for you, the consumer. There will always be more drastic changes when things are getting worse than there will when things are getting better. When profit is going down, they may pull planned games or other software. When profit is going up, some of that profit goes to the shareholders and the company to have as reserve, but some of it goes into development of games and software.
You have sh*t for brains,that is all!!
Why Dis, you're dumb. That's what needs to be said, the average consumer isn't even aware of these numbers, they don't care. All my friends who had an Xbox 360 now have a PS3. Is one better than the other, no it's not. Are sales more important to the piss-ant fanboy who can't afford a PS3? Yeah, that's why your spending your life on N4G bashing it.
No, sales alone do not make a console better. MS has already shown their attitude many times with their statements regarding the 360 as MS only wants to unseat Sony. In Microsoft's logic, simple sales make them the best. I hate to burst their bubble, but the PS3 offers the best bang for buck when it comes to a purchase. Play games, BD movies, and wireless media connection out of the box as well as free online PSN play. Sales alone do not make the grade, it's functionality and value per dollar that ultimately matters. If sales were all that matters then Nintendo would be the best company as the Wii appeals to most people who don't value HD and core gaming. Sony strives to make the PS3 the best HD value and in that they succeed. You can play great games and as well enjoy great HD movies on BD. Don't give a $hit about HD movies? You can wirelessly stream video to your PS3 via your PC without even speaking of the disc drive. Console sales alone do not make a better system. It's company competition that drives innovation and Sony has a healthy attitude towards that. MS doesn't have the same attitude. That's been shown in their own public statements.
It does in a way but not in another. For example: The Wii is not better than the 360 or PS3 because it sold more.
All it means is that a certain amount of people thought that that console was a better choice for them. Somehow, people seem to think that having high sales makes it better, when in reality, it's the games that make it better. The average gamer wants quality and quantity. And which ever system gets close enough to what they want is the one they will buy! The Dreamcast came out with some quality titles and had decent sales, but in the end, Sega just didn't give gamers the quantity that gamers wanted, which opened the door for Sony to fill in the gap and win the console war. Millions of people bought the Ps2 cause it had tons of titles releasing every week and had lots of variety to choose from, so gamers always had something to look foward to and something new to play. They had the greatest hits collection that got more gamers in cause of quality and price. No offense to anyone or any console, but most of the people who bought the Ps2 didn't buy it to wait for 2-3 AAA games a year! They were buying about 4 games a month at least! I know, cause I was one of them.
I agree. A high selling console secures the long term viability. The question a consumer asks is, "Am I buying the next Sega Saturn or Atari Jaguar?"
I missed the days when it was companies like Nintendo and Sega throwing the mud at each other during the 80s. Unlike today the console war seems more civilized and it isn't a small one either, you got entire empires like Sony and Microsoft competing with Nintendo whose entire bread and butter in the Wii and DS.
no if that was the case the wii would be the ferrari of this generation but its not the ps3 is the ferrari the wii is the bmw and the 360 is the four wheeled bicycle you give your son or daughter to practice on
Wii is more like the two seater Smart Car girls are swooning over. And 360 is a Ford that ends up being a lemon.
the pc is the lamborghini btw
but lamborgini is more flashy ferrari ftw
Those cars are nice but a Tesla, now that is something I'll dump money into. ^_^
Put it this way. Just because Britney Spears sells millions of albums, it doesn't make her a better singer. It all comes down to personal preferance and what games/features you like.
I guess it makes your console sell more on Ebay, so yes, it does.
(But leave that up to the Technical Jibber-Jabber, Graphics, negative competition news and Exclusives +1, to make most feel that way) But I do agree... 1. Consistent or Increase in Console sales only means, the manufacturer is a lot closer to breaking even or at least making a profit.(That's Success) 2.Developers are taking notice and can no longer ignore that consoles fanbase and shows some love.(More success) 3.In relation to Number #2, the more Devs/Game support, the more gamers of all creed(hardcores, casuals, soccer moms, granny and granpas will look into buying the console.(More choice, the better, even with shovel-ware mixed in) Which brings us back to Console Sales, in which "Stock Holders" also have a sharp interest in.
8 tims outta 10 when i delvoper goes exlusive to a console just because of install base..well those games usually turn out like crap.. look at the wii for example
it's funny that most of the people who spout the senseless nonsense about whose system of choice is selling better aren't in here to justify that argument. Because, it is a stupid argument.
that's what happens when your system runs out of steam, you can't argue about anything but sales anymore. btw, we're still at a 5 million units gap right*? same as it was two years ago. YAY!!! *not including true sales OR RRoD units.
I guess the Wii is teh best system evarz!!!!* *according to xbots' logic. >:]
Sales make no difference to me, I have no stock in these companies nor do I work for them. Oh, by the way, Killzone 2 demo starts in five days and I can't wait!!!!!!!!
Only to a delusional xbot. They have run out of excuses so they hold onto the only illogical excuse "The xbugpleasefixme is 8mil ahead in sales" lol. That is so pathetic it's not even funny. I wish M$ wasn't such chicken sh!ts and released their console the same time as Sony. I wish they wouldn't have paid for exclusive third party support and still potential exclusives. The xbrats seem to sway away from reality time to time and think that sales=quality. Their logic is flawed and will remain flawed. Until then i guess that the Wii is the best console in the history of mankind lol.
absolutely not, look at the wii sells like crazy but a good percentage of the games are steaming piles
before this video game generation i would have thought so but the wii proved my wrong.
if there was no danger of any system leaving the market due to poor sales, i wouldn't care at all. i can't wait for killzone 2, hype aside, it looks like a great game, if you watch the bravo preview you'll see how good it looks. as a game, not just graphics. it's mostly the media and (xbots) bashing the ps3 that results in these arguements, people who own a ps3 just want it to sell well, not argue about things, but you force our hands.
because if the system does not sell well, like: Dreamcast, jaguar, gamecube, xbox, n-gage, virtual boy, (oh notice Sony is not on the list :)) then you as one of the few owners are screwed because few to no games will be available for your system and that matters, like a lot. This generation has not seen that problem, everyone is selling fantastic (specially that stupid Wii which i disconnected after months of dust collecting) hope to see this trend of success in future generations.
True gamers don't care, they can look at the situation and see in what ways it does and does not matter. Fanboys however, should stop playing market analyst, it's rather pathetic.
Sales matter to the manufacturer alright, I agree with the fact that sales do not equal quality of product. Although sales do not affect my opinion of a particular console it's the games that do that. As long as they sell enough consoles to keep producing more consoles/games then it's all good.
Sales does not make my Xbox 360, PS3, or Wii better... Nor do I use sales as bragging rights to make me feel better about myself... All three companies are already in great positions to deliver many great video game experiences yet to come... I simply play games...
To Xbots sales matter for some reason.
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Sigh, for just as many fanboy articles that come out there are these rash of anti fanboy articles that pop up. Yes, sales do matter and a number of people have commented why hit the nail on the head. 1) Fewer sales means devs may ignore your system 2) Fewer sales means the console manuf. could fold up shop and abandon your console 3) fewer sales means less patches, DLC, extras, etc.
1: Really low sales overall means devs will be hesitant on releasing games on the console. But every console that has "failed" commercially all have their own catalog of good games. Except maybe the N-Gage. 2: That is a large thing to say. If you look at history companies that usually fold up after a failed attempt usually happens after 1 of 2 things. Either it's a upstart company new to the game console business that their product never receives proper core support and fail to sale over a million or so units worldwide in it's entire few years on market. OR in the case of Sega and Atari the company gets plagued with missteps from multiple consoles. The companies at that time usually go for a last hurrah and usually while ending up selling decently manufactoring costs, R&D and a slew of other things associated with making consoles prove too much for said company to overcome. 3: That's something more on the newer spectrum of how well consoles sell. And i can't even say fewer (console) sales means a system will get patches etc. I think it has alot to do more so with # of people who brought a particular game + time and cost vs Payoff. Some consoles seem to get exclusive dlc because of agreements between said console maker and the publishers of a particular title. The gap isn't so far apart that and the numbers aren't low for any one company in this point of time that actually i think warrants companies to really support one console over the other because of console sales. Software sales of a particular title on one console being lower than the other, maybe.
In short, no it doesn't make the console better. Ps2 could have outsold the dreamcast by a even wider margin and i'd still say the Dreamcast was a better console. Took more chances, had more diversity in games and so on. This "sales" bulls**t is pretty moot. In hindsite no one will really talk about the sales of Ps3 vs 360 vs Wii. We'll only look back on the games and features of each respective console.
I couldn't agree more.
Sales are not really that important to me but it does mean the potential for more people online to play against.
then why are they constantly saying that "but *insert latest "halo killer title" here* will be a system seller"?
Dude get real, mostly the media dubs something as Halo Killer, and as a matter of fact CoD4 already killed Halo so that's over with. Besides Xbox Fanboy's never shut up about sales. It's like their holy grail even then the annual sales numbers came out and shut a lot of people up. Sony and Microsoft being neck and neck didn't stop Xbox fanboy's from continuing saying some of the dumbest comments.
get real yourself dude. COD4 sold 10 million across all consoles, it was even sold on DS for christs sake! Halo 3 sold 9 million on one console and is still always in the top 3 most played game on 360 where as COD 4 dropped off when COD.WAW came out
"bu bu bu attach rates" "bu bu bu game sales" "bu bu bu console sales" "bu bu bu america > rest of world" Hypocrite
The only people it should matter to are the CEO's and the stock holders. The posers who care about sales only care so they can rub it in the face of their polar opposites.
What's the point in trying to convince wii n xbox360 fans that ourz, the mighty playstation 3, is an awesome system? Leave em alone! If sales mean so much to u, regardless of gameality (as in nationality) then go buy three of the same product ur console manufacturer of choice makes!
halo sold about 9 million, but about 7 million of those was traded in at gamestop and codww did not kill cod4 alot of people still play cod4
CoD4 is still going strong. I just noticed this afternoon that the CoD4 Variety Map Pack was at ...#4? on the top downloaded PSN items.
an guess what? its still a very good game
Hers my analogy: Sales are like a chocolate frosting cake. Because it looks good at first when buy it. But once you get it home and cut into it, you notice that the cake is made of Dog Crap. The cake may sell well but it doesn't mean its better.
Soon as people find out the cake is filled with dog crap, they wont be buying it anymore. However, the 360 is still going strong. Your analogy just flew trough the window like a chocolate pancake.
or if the company gives you a "new cake" for free.
Nope thats all xbots can do these days, its quite pathetic isnt it? trying to use sales as amu LMAO.
Console sales do make the system better because devs will see which console is selling a lot and they will want to develop for it. This is why you have games like RE5 coming to the 360 rather than staying on the PS3. This is also why you see a lot of games (or shovelware) on the Wii because the developers see the sales and want to develop for it to make money.
No but it keeps the companies in business
No, it doesnt make it better, but it sure as hell makes them successful.
it only makes it better for online but once you pass that like 10 mill people online it dosent matter. people may say it dose because of more people want to make games for your console but thats not true cos ps3 is in last place in tearms of sales but it has way more 1st party developers than MS and Wii
More Systems, Bigger Install, better deals, combos, dev support, advertisement budgest growns, ability to take internal chances grows, likely hood of having a predessesor goes up, more money Easy Enough?
Typically gets the better exclusives and title quality. The one problem with this round of consoles is that the number one system in terms of hardware (Wii) is a generation behind its competition, and the number one system in terms of software (PS3) still has the smallest hardware install base. This generation of consoles is about the wierdest I've ever seen.
Nope.They just make fanboys feel better about themselves and more secure about their purchase.
It's funny how people are so quick to call each other fanboys without knowing anything about them.Sales don't make systems better.Developers do.Nintendo isn't better because of sales.It's just as good as it was when it first launched.Games get better not the system itself.