An Article from GamesOnSmash reads " The Sony brand is a strong brand, but not strong enough to keep the PS2 and PS3 on the market and outsell competition of the Xbox360. "
will the xbox 360 still be in production in 2011 this is the better question
by 2011. People will still buy it for multi-plats and the odd x360 exclusives now and then but the overall value of the x360 would be quite low by then
@1.0 lol regardless if its not true, that was kinda funny
Welcome to another FUD of the FailsOnSmash.com. The PS3 wont outsell the X360 till Microsoft release their next console, till then get use to being third. BTW instead of posting BS on a constant basis, you guys should go out and start buying games for you console or you wont see a PS4. "One love and God bless. PEACE!" lol
why the F$&K do people care? Its not your money.
A better question is will the ps3 still be in production in 2011. We already know they plan on releasing the ps4 in 2011 if they are even around that long. Sony took 99% lose this year so if they dont do something quick to turn it around they be filing for chapter 11
Quite amazing, 8 bubbles in a day?? How did you do it??
That's a biased website. I seen the kids YouTube videos. It's some black kid who thinks what he says is true.
Will that change anything? NO. Nobody will ignore 40-50 mln. userbase by 2011, unless there are some reasons. Create game with KZ2 level graphics or make a BIG world on 1 Blu-ray disc. =)
Did anyone else read Fox01 and thats_just_prime? I really don't think I've seen ignorance on that level since...well...it's been quite some time. You two do realize that the PS3 has sold faster than the 360, don't you? 17 million by the two year mark vs 13 million for the 360? Do you guys just don't know the PS3 has been catching on faster, or have you some how convinced yourselves that it's not happening? That_just_prime. PS3 sales were up 40% last year on increased revenue. Software sales were up 57% this Christmas and they ended up tying the 360 for total sales for the year. Seriously, you must just not know the facts because if you know all this and still spouted that nonsense....well...there's no way else to put it, you'd just be full retard. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with some people? You wonder why they bother posting at all. In their regular lives do they walk around with dunce caps on all day? Kick me signs? If not, then why would they do that online?
I guess if it sells 2 million MORE each year then yeah. But this is only 3 years away and both consoles sell well.
It might since the 720 will be out in November 2010 just in time for Gears 3, GTAV, Halo 4 and COD: Trenches of WWI. :)
to the first poster, that was a very good question. M$ is so by the numbers they are ending support on XP in 2012. Look they are not about gaming as much as just suceeding at what they do BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. PS3 will outsell Xbox maybe this year or next definitively. R3 next year and another game from that dev this year maybe another Ratchet or something else. They have proven first party devs that are now industry leaders in some regards at what they do. Santa Monica may have another game for this gen and may be able to use the GOW3 engine so Sony is poised with the necessary price cut to take over. M$ gave us a glimpse at what the next generation is all about. Sony will deliver the next generation of games that we will remember for years. Rockband, gears and Mass Effect are the standouts for M$ right now they have to get serious because Sony I think is hiding something more than Killzone 2.
Sony won't be filing chapter 11. They to large of a corporation. Just because they are losing profits in the Gaming Division, with the PS3, doesn't mean they will be going bankrupt. Not by a long shot. @darkride66 - To be honest with you, I think, Sony is doing horrible with the PS3, even if they are moving at a faster pace than the x360. To be honest, I expected the PS3 to be in the Wii's shoes by now, not behind the pack. But, I hafta give props where it's due. They have done an excellent job with a console that sells at that price point.
This is a extremely biased site, forgive me if this is alreay mentioned but they say you can't count gears of war since micorsodt does not own Epic, yet there list of Sony Exclusives includes Metal Gear Solid 4 and last time I checked, Sony did not own Konami.
After crunching all the numbers, looking into my crystal ball, deciphering many tea leaves, and a ouija board or two the answer is a conclusive and decisive MAYHAP.
Y the hell would u think that PS3 should be in W!!'s shoes right now? it started at 700 bucks the we did 2 ? I really cant see how u think PS3 is doing horrible.
so far, the future seems...brighter for Sony and the PS3.
because microsoft are shutting down developers and they are canceling games left and right this can only mean one thing it means microsoft themselves are going to jump out
360: Canceled Studios: Ensemble Studios (most were hired into MGS for future Halo projects and Halo Wars DLC) Gamerblog (Not really a dev. studio) Canceled Games: ? PS3: Canceled Studios: Factor 5 (or whatever it was) Free Radical Canceled Games: Coded Arms The Getaway Time Splitters 4 Eight Days
Do some research before you post nonsense. Factor 5 was NOT a Sony studio and neither is Free Radical. How about cancelled 360 games? WarDevil (exclusive to PS3 now) Marvel Universe Online Alhambra (XBLA title) Your argument is faulty as titles get shifted and cancelled all the time. Timesplitters was not exclusive to the PS3, with the series also being released on the Xbox and Gamecube.
I really wanted to ignore your comment based on how horribly stupid it was, but I just cant anymore. Both of those companies had exclusive 2nd party developing contracts with Sony. Do you even know WHY they were canceled? Because of the 2 PS3 EXCLUSIVES released on the console that did horrible in sales AND in scores. Haze & Lair. Oh, and seriously? WarDevil (Never heard of it) Marvel Universe Online (Hell no to that kind of MMO. The others didn't do too well anyways) Alhambra (XBLA title) (Never heard of it) You named 2 canceled projects (one being a XBLA game) and then another just being a lost exclusive. Which further proves my point that MS has hardly had any issues with games. And you SERIOUSLY don't want to get into lost exclusives when it comes to Sony. 1) Final Fantasy XIII 2) Tekken VI 3) Monster Hunter 3 4) Star Ocean IV 5) Street Fighter IV 6) Assassin's Creed 7) Grand Theft Auto IV 8) Devil May Cry 4 9) Virtua Fighter 5 10) Beautiful Katamari 11) Fatal Inertia 12) L.A. Noire Oh, and please, before you try and spin this and call me some kind of fanboy, I'm playing my freaking PS3 right now.. Naruto: Ultimate Ninja Storm is what is running. Also, if you're going to name off any lost exclusives from the 360, be sure they're good games that people actually would look at, not some random list like how Bathyj gives off a lot. Oh, and TimeSplitters IV WAS an exclusive to the PS3. Not the series, but the latest iteration of it was.
wow, you missed the point... and unfortunately you can't respond again. how sad never did i call you a fanboy or claim your bias (you're apparently paranoid) what I was actually saying is that you need to realize that game development comes and goes all the time. it's not unusual for games to be cancelled. If you're argument was that the PS3 caused these companies to fail because of their agreement with Sony, then you obviously have no idea how business works. These companies were in trouble before their deal with Sony, and actually Free Radical is currently making a wii game. As for your game list. Again it comes down to business. I'm tired of people throwing these names around like it's a big deal. It's not, and it's tired. EVERY title you have listed is from a 3rd party developer, and that's what they do, make multiplats. Forget what they did last Generation, they were working with an install base around 100 mil. Do you think that they will actually take a chance on either console this early? Not without money being thrown their way. Shall I go through your list? 1) FF XIII (why are people still on this one? the first 6 games were released on Nintendo systems. FFXI was released to PC, as well as 360) 2) Tekken VI (ehhh, maybe i'll give you this, even though it's an arcade game and was once released on the GBA) 3) Monster Hunter 3 (Published by Capcom, previous titles were PS only. so I'll ok this one, kinda) 4) Star Ocean IV (Original came out on SNES, so hardly exclusive) 5) Street Fighter IV (are you serious with this one? past gens, Mega Drive, SNES, Saturn, Dreamcast, Xbox. Absolutely NO history of being exclusive.) 6) Assasin's Creed (made by Ubisoft, as far as I know, it was never planned as an exclusive. if you can provide a link otherwise, please do.) 7) GTAIV (original was also released onto the PC and GBcolor. GTA2 was also released on the Dreamcast. Hell even GTA3 came out on Xbox) 8) DMC4 (Capcom title. originals PS only) 9) Virtua Fighter 5 (originally came out for the Saturn, and 32x) 10) Beautiful Katamari (i'll give you this one) 11) Fatal Inertia (ok, this one too, but I believe it went multi because of problems with the unreal engine.) 12) L.A. Noire (funded intitially by SCEA, it has since dropped off the radar, so let's just ignore this one, 'mkay?) Of your list, less than half have merit, sorry.
Did I ever say that any of the games mentioned were exclusive in previous iterations? Nope. All titles mentioned above were exclusive to the PS3. I didn't say Star Ocean 1. I said Star Ocean 4.` "12) L.A. Noire (funded intitially by SCEA, it has since dropped off the radar, so let's just ignore this one, 'mkay?)" lets ignore it? lulz. Seriously?.. This game has just as much credibility as all the others. And again, every title mentioned was a PS3 exclusive at one time. 1) FF XIII - Is not out yet 2) Tekken VI - Is not out yet 3) Monster Hunter 3 - Is not out yet 4) Star Ocean IV - Is not out yet 5) Street Fighter IV - Is not out yet 6) Assasin's Creed - Type in lost exclusives of the PS3 on Google. 7) GTAIV - Originally stated as a PS3 exclusive, was released on both. 8) DMC4 - Same as GTA IV 9) Virtua Fighter 5 - Virtua Fighter 5 was never released on those 10) Beautiful Katamari 11) Fatal Inertia 12) L.A. Noire - Just as credible as all of the others Oh, and how can Free Radical be developing a game for the Wii if they are CANCELED? You know.. Kaput. Done. Out of Business. No Longer Existing. It seems the entire list merits. Sorry. You have got to try harder than that. Oh, and the only reason I stated something along the lines of you calling me a fanboy is because most of the silly PS3 fans on here DO call anyone a fanboy due to the fact that anything negative towards the PS3 is a lie.. as you are clearly trying to prove to me.
what you miss is that the titles were not exclusive before, and, though REPORTED exclusive initially, they were never ACTUALLY exclusive. It's like me going out to dinner saying, i think i'm going to have steak, then I order surf & turf. It's not final till the contracts are written out and signed, no matter what the press release reads. What you are explaining as "exclusives" they lost, is just fanboy hype and speculation. If we can include L.A. Noire in the non-exclusive club, I say we put Alan Wake in the cancelled pile for the 360. As for Free Radical, http://www.destructoid.com/... http://www.computerandvideo... http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... they are in "administration" which is like a type of bankruptcy As for Ass. Creed http://www.gamespot.com/new... "Reports on the Internet have been nothing less than rampant on the state of Ubisoft's Assassin's Creed. Initially mentioned for the Xbox 360 as Project Assassin and then mentioned only for the PlayStation 3 (without the word "exclusive") at E3 2006, the answer of the game's ultimate platform destinations have been as stealthy as its sneaky protagonist." from the very beginning, it's status was in the air. hardly a "lost" exclusive I can give you more links if needed
"Ubisoft's medieval stealth game will not be limited to Sony's upcoming system; will eventually reach PC, says publisher." You proved my point from the headline of the article of the Assassin's Creed post. Notice anything 360 related? Nope. Free Radical: http://www.joystiq.com/2008... http://www.joystiq.com/2008... http://www.thisisnottingham... The update on the link only solidifies my statement. Time Splitters IV (once a PS3 exclusive) has been confirmed as canceled. Same with Star Wars: Battlefront III. Even if Free Radical were not in cancellation, how could they be developing a game for the Wii if they were in Administration with no money whatsoever and are declaring bankruptcy? "If we can include L.A. Noire in the non-exclusive club, I say we put Alan Wake in the canceled pile for the 360." Alan Wake is showing many trailers. The newest one was posted in Oct. of 2008. It is now slated for a Q3-Q4 release in 2009. (Again) Every game that was mentioned was exclusive to the PS3 and actually had plans of being released exclusively on the console. Every-one of them. Star Ocean FOUR. (not 1, 2, or 3), Final Fantasy THIRTEEN (Not 1-12), etc. For you to say that the latest iteration of a game is not exclusive because the previous installments were not is like me saying: "Hey. This channel is showing reruns of my favorite TV show. But, this channel is showing an exclusive 2 hour movie of my favorite TV show. Oh but wait, it's not really exclusive because the TV show (not the movie) was shown on many different channels. So technically even though this TV show movie will only premiere on this channel and no other EVER AGAIN, it's not really exclusive." Which is wrong. And I'm sorry, but your analogy contradicts you from the very first title provided in the list of lost exclusives, Final Fantasy XIII. The game was only in development on the PS3 since before it's launch. The contract between Square Enix and Sony were already set. Microsoft most likely paid them for help in development (much like MSFT loaned Rockstar $50 million for development and exclusive DLC) so it could be released on both consoles.
it's all depends on the price of the ps3 at that time cause we call know the games will be there.
They will undoubtedly surpass the 360..there not to far behind its a playstation it can boom at the sight of a price drop..personally the 300 ps3 will do it i know a lot of people will buy them even 360 fans for 300 bucks
not a chance
Do Pigs Fly?
in fanboy land
The two most dire threats facing the USA academy today are PS3 fanboys and 360 fanboys.
This shows from the recent lay offs in that division and the overall amount of suckage the 360 conveys. With out a doubt by 2011 there will be plenty more broken xbox 360's and plenty of cancelled live memberships. When it gets down to it one must realize that the Xbox was meant to over take Sony but even with Sonys worst product as stated by so many Microsoft still couldnt budge the install base... To add to that the install base they had they pist off with horrible hardware and poor games, many of which have glitches.
the Xbox was a failure? why isnt it in last place likke hmmmmmm ps3?
that failure has manage to beat the ps3 and keep it in last place. [:
yes they can oh and by the way "killzone2flop", i didnt know a game with an average 9,4 out of 10 score means Flop.
thats a better title i think, and the answer is depends if ps3 had a price cut early this year and didnt break their current release dates of their high profile game then release more by the years end then YES, other wise i cant guarantee it.
bu bu bu bu bu 2008 is teh year of teh ps3!!!!!!!!
-Let's not forget a Console that is also viewed as one of the affordable BluRay players.(The Winning Format) Who knows how many bought it just for that.. -110 million Potential buyers of it's previous console.(PS2) With the games Sony have coming out in 2009, you can stick a fork in it for Second place, if MS continues with momentum and Sony barley surpasses MS in sales for the year. I'm not talking about Neck in neck either, since everything will just stay the same. Sony's biggest games come out in 2008-2009. You might get SEQUELS in 2011 but 2010 will have duds. We'll see if MS can whether the storm, as well as, the Economy for all consoles competing for market-share.
depending on how fast Sony are able to bring production cost down and the price down to 199. I still estimate end of this year at earliest to mid 2010.
Yes, in fact the PS3 will be outselling the 360 in 2012, 2013 and 2014. The 360 can not compete with the PS3 in terms of technology.
LOL. If the 360 stops selling now. MSFT would have to pull the console off the market for that to happen. Whats with all these sad and pathetic desperate attempts to bash the 360 when the PS3 is getting ass fuced? Those games they mentioned scored like most other great titles and most of them flopped so how will that help PS3 in the future? Nonsense.
The PS3 has been selling much faster than the 360 ever did. How do you explain 17 million consoles in it's first two years vs the 360's 13 million? The question you should be asking is why has the 360 been selling so slowly by comparison. Why hasn't the 360 caught on anywhere but the US? How come, before the price cut, sales up to the price cut were down almost 10% in the US? These are they type of questions you should be wondering about when pondering each consoles future. So far, if the PS3 keeps selling 10-13 million a year it's well on pace to get up to PS2 type numbers before they're done, even if sales don't grow any more than where they are now. The 360 was already showing it lacked longevity before the price cut. What's going to save them when the impact of the cut wear's off?
"How do you explain 17 million consoles in it's first two years vs the 360's 13 million?" If the 360 sold around 10mil this year and it's been out for 3 years and has close to a 30 million install base then uhh.. Xbox 360: Year 1 - 10 million Year 2 - 7.65 million Year 3 - 10.8 million (was just announced for Dec. '08) = 28.45 million (was just announced for Dec. '08) Xbox 360's first 2 years - 17.65 million Playstation 3's first 2 years - 17 million (as stated by you) By statistics.. the 360 had the best sales in 2008 out of all 3 years. Not sure what you mean by it slowing down lol. The Playstation 3 would have to sell 2.5 million MORE than the 360 starting now to pass it in overall sales by 2011. And everything that I have just stated is literally a fact.
I'm not sure lets wait and see.
Dont forget the 360 had a huge shortage its first year, where the ps3 had plenty of inventory.
They'll outsell MS this year.
I'm more interested in the Article pic rather than the article itself - full of crap. What was the question to which the woman answered X360?
PS3 is not PS2 lol. The Wii is the new casual console. The consumer trend/popular opinion favors the Wii not PS3. PS3 will stay in 3rd place untill Sony is able to win that edge back in the casual world the Wii enjoys or win the primary support of the dev community the 360 enjoys.
Sony's only competition all these years have been themselves. ^_^
Kaz, is that you?
OF COURSE ps3 will outsell 360. Didn't Sony just recently come out and say they are still the leaders of the gaming industry. I'll blindly follow the words of a company that really doesn't give a damn about me and I'll praise their products so much that I'll be having arguments about it over the interwebs. Even though I'm a pc gamer I enjoy playing Devil's advocate. Lately n4g comments section has been a pretty good source of entertainment.
It's a total crapshoot. Doesn't really matter how the PS3 does compared to the 360 or Wii, so long as its sales continue to grow year-to-year and ends up selling roughly 100 million consoles during its lifetime.
"Will PS3 Outsell Xbox360 by 2011?" I don't know, Jim.. I don't know... But seriously, this article has some good points, and hope things work out for Sony... and microsoft. <_<
I think the question reads "Which platform is the best console ever made?" b Xbox 360 c Snes
It's all about the N64.
to put any console ahead of SNES. SNES=best console ever
PS2 is the greatest console ever
I think they can, but they have to act fast and make smart moves. not just by dropping a 100 doller price-cut on the ps3, they gotta advertise the sh1t outta their games. I think if SONY drops a 50 doller price-cut on the ps3 by april and then another one by christmas, i think they'll be just fine.
If Sony cuts the PS3's price buy $100 while they're still losing money, the company will go bankrupt.
Microsoft is able to subsidize its losses from its Games Division (at least partially) from its profits in the OS and Office Suite Divisions. Sony's profit on the other hand is fairly dependent on its games division, which needs to stay profitable. They can't afford Playstation losses at this point. The console already sold 10.48 million units in 2008 at the $399~$499 price point, which proves that investing in great 1st party titles really can push hardware sales. They should focus on profitability and only consider implementing a price drop in Fall 2009 at the earliest.
I liked my TI994A
Probably not. Perhaps the PS4 will have a chance at that point.
By the time the ps3 outsell the 360 it would be too late, because the next xbox 360 would be out putting an end to the ps3.
What the hell kind of name is gameonsmash? F#%king retarded if you ask me. I want to beat the crap out of whoever came up with that lame ass name. Sorry I'm drinking and pissy.
Who cares! For someone like myself who lives in the present the PS3 is not outselling the 360. Anything else is just speculation and crystal ball work. "GamesOnSmash was born of true social gaming! Through the playstation network the guys of GamesOnSmash came together to review and smash games, provide news updates and publish a podcast." There is no wondering how these guys feel and the fanboy/flamebait article picture just verifies it.
Xbox 360 is selling an average of 9.48 million consoles a year. PS3 is selling an average of 10.67 million consoles a year.
Yes, by millions anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.
In the US? NO! Impossible! in the UK? No likely.. in Germany, Japan, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, France and other anti-US countries... uhhh yeah... freaken duhhh... I do not live in any of those Axis of evil countries anyways... so I can care less. As long as the PS3 is in last place in the US which means more developer support for the xbox 360... than I am ok with it.