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Is The Xbox 360 in Real Trouble?

While Sony's revenues increased this year, Microsoft's share ended up decreasing in value likely due to decreased Xbox 360 hardware prices. This comes on the heels of Microsoft boasting and toasting themselves all over the gaming industry for their successful increase in unit sales of the 360 due to the price drop of the Arcade edition for $199.

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BulletToothtony3161d ago (Edited 3161d ago )

Neither one is doomed, but the 360 "is gonna have it tough" articles actually have some common sense to them, instead of the ps3 is doomed because everyone hates the controller crappy articles.

Even thou the ps3 sold more hardware this year (and it seems everyone chooses to ignore that) the 360 has not done bad at all, bottom line the competition has helped both consoles to be on their toes and keep aiming for better games, better graphics and lower prices..

BrunoM3161d ago (Edited 3161d ago )

What you talking about wily lol...

no really what you talking about ps3 sold more haven't you seen all those news from BLOGs ps3 is about to go bye bye man theres nothing we can do ...

now for real these one it really has some good valid points to it something we don't see every day around here ..

chaosatom3161d ago (Edited 3161d ago )

If they keep selling cheap hardware that doesn't last long, then yeah.

Also, if they keep wasting money on DLC, and spending money on making games Multiplatform, and closing down studios, then Hell yeah!

The Lazy One3161d ago (Edited 3161d ago )

where did you see the PS3 outsold the 360 this year?

edit: @below "1.3 lazy one...He didn't say it sold more and was reffering to more than last year PS3 sales. "

"Even thou the ps3 sold more hardware this year"

so either he means THIS year (09), in which there are no major released sales, not that they'd be significant anyway since it's january, OR he means this last year (08), in which there is no solid evidence that sony has outsold M$ in any major territory besides japan. M$ reports being ahead, Sony reports being ahead, that is not enough evidence to say for certain that sony is actually ahead.

I just want him to back up his 'facts'.

edit: oh I get it now. PS3 increased over last year. I totally misread what you said VVVVVVV down there.

thenickel3161d ago

1.3 lazy one...He didn't say it sold more and was reffering to more than last year PS3 sales.

1.2 Chaosatom...agreed

sonarus3161d ago

There had to be consequences for dropping their prices so law. In time though cost price will catch up to selling price and their stuff will rise

eelnats20003161d ago

NEITHER of the 360 or the ps3 is doomed.

Its amazing how many quality games sony and microsoft can come up with to oust one another.

In the end, its just good for us; the gamers.

Jump in, this is living.

pixelsword3161d ago

I post it, to rob hits for that site.

There ya go:

While Sony’s revenues increased this year, Microsoft’s share ended up decreasing in value likely due to decreased Xbox 360 hardware prices. This comes on the heels of Microsoft boasting and toasting themselves all over the gaming industry for their successful increase in unit sales of the 360 due to the price drop of the Arcade edition for $199.

While the 360 did gain ground on its rival Sony’s PS3. This is all attributed to the price drop. On the surface it seems like a good move, but underneath lies the truth that the current trend for Microsoft’s unit sales is; units sales up, profits down. Leaving it up to software sales for continued economic prosperity. This is one area where Microsoft is no slouch. Gears of War 2 will easily go on to sell 5 million copies. Two new Halo games and continues high sales of third party titles almost assure success in 2009. The real question for Microsoft this year is not 09 itself, but rather can they sustain beyond.

Competition has gotten very steep this year as Sony ups the ante with Killzone 2. From all impressions and reviews given so far, it seems as though Sony finally has an absolute powerhouse of a game on its hand. "Halo Killer" is a common statement heard in reviews and impressions. Also Sony has probably the biggest game of the year sitting in the training room brewing to what should be perfection. That’s right, God of War 3.

This year is beginning to shape up to be a very heavy hitting year in the HD console war. The stakes are higher than ever. Microsoft’s must hold of the huge onslaught of PS3 exclusive titles with its own triple A titles all while getting the next few years ready at the same time. It should be one hell of a ride.

jammy_703161d ago

ps3 in 09 looks great
360 doesnt look so great but ay... u never no

andyo133161d ago

to see 360 die. As they are constantly holding back the development of new ips by stealing them rather than making their own. like final fantasy for example. they should make their own final fantasy killer, sony didnt buy halo, they competed against it with games like killzone and resistance

BBAM3161d ago

these "z0mg t3h ps3/x80x36o iz do0med!!1!one" articles are so pointless, neither console is "doomed" its only going into the third year of this generation and both already have strong install bases.
Plus people are starting to buy into HD tvs and when the prices get down to a price that people can afford then more people will buy them

godofthunder103161d ago (Edited 3161d ago )

The guy must be smokeing some good grass when he wrote this article. The fact is that the 360 started makeing a profit this year.The reason that microsoft droped the price on the 360 is because they are in the position to.Sony droped the price on the ps3 why he didn't write an article about the ps3 to.The fact is that a company make the majority of their money off software not consoles and microsoft has a big lead when it comes to software sells.

Like i said before i like to have what this guy is smoking because he's in a fantasy land.The 360 isn't going any where and i don't care how much he prays it's here to stay.The same with the ps3.it isn't going any where.people might as well face the facts,the 360 and ps3 is here to stay and the days of sony dominance in the game market is gone and no one will dominate again.

A ps3 fanboy said that microsoft is spinning and they are looseing a lot of money because of the 360.if he checks he would see that the 360 is making a profit.The fact is that sony is looseing their a**es off because of the ps3.They had 1 ps3 fanboy that said microsoft is in trouble because they sold a company.He need to look at what sony did because of the ps3.The fact is that sony had to borrow millions just to finish the ps3.When it didn't sell well sony sold the company that makes the chip for the ps3 and started buying the chip from them.When the ps3 was still selling slow sony had to borrow millions more and this is a fact.He even said that it's the end because microsoft droped the price of the 360.I guess he forgot that sony did to and they are planning to droped the price again.I guess it's different between sony and microsoft because sony could do it but microsoft can't.

To top it all off microsoft,nintendo,and sony are already working on their next systems and they might be out around 2012 or 13 and that include sony.I don't wont to here that the ps3 is future proof.The ps3 wasn't able to handle crysis when it came out at the beging of last year.If the ps3 is unable to play a game that came out at the beging of last year how in the h*ll it could be future proof.They had 1 ps3 fanboy said that the next xbox want be more powerful then this one.He claim that microsoft will make a game like the wii and try to compete aginst nintendo and stop competing against sony.This is the most ridiculios statement i've ever read.The fact is that microsoft already said that the next xbox will be 100% bc for the 360 games and they also said it want be called the 720.

mint royale3161d ago

Sony and Microsoft haven't even released their financials and this idiot is comparing their revenues. Not that revenues is what really matters, personally i'd prefer profits if I was in business but hey what am I thinking? Does the 'author' not realise that just because MS cut the price of their consoles they can still increase profits by bringing down the cost of making the console and thus selling more at a comparable profit? Yes cutting the price will likely have affected MS revenues abit for 08 but it sets them up nicely for 09. As for sony I wasn't aware they released any sort of info about their financials? So who knows who has done what. We will know when proper financials come out at the end of the fiscal years = march for sony, june for MS.

JaggedSac3161d ago

Dear god, that article is full of failure. I am assuming the article is about M$'s Entertainment and Devices Division having profit down. Nothing can be gathered from that information as the 360 is by far not the only thing in the EDD. The Zune for one(which was said to have $100 million less in sales for the quarter) and Mac Office for another. So any and all attempts to say this division is solely the XBox's division is complete and utter crap/failure/poor journalism/poor intelligence.

Anon19743161d ago

Of course you're right, we don't have Sony's numbers to compare to but we do know what the price cut cost Microsoft. Microsoft just barley made a profit in what should have been the biggest money making season of the year. They made 151 million compared to 178 million the quarter before and down 60% from the same quarter last year.
I think this article is on to something but certainly isn't doing anything to back it up. 360 sales were down 10% in the US before the price cut and even though they've boosted sales they did it by trying to buy their way out of the current slump. It's succeeded for now, but what were the root causes of the slide? If those factors still exist they could still be in for a rough patch.

Add onto that the weakest lineup they've had since 07, continued hardware issues with expiring warranties, developers showing they're making more money off the PS3 and the increased competitiveness of both their competitors and I think the 360 may be in for a rough ride.

mint royale3161d ago

well i've been away for a week so i'm not up to date on the news but I was aware MS released info on the 22nd.

You do have a valid point about MS sales and revenues but then I could point you to the recession htat is especially affecting MS's strongest market. Although their game library doesn't beat sony's from what we know so far the 360 still has a fantastic back catalog of games that will sit on shelves and convince people to buy the console.

But then again I could say the same thing about the ps3 which decreased YOY worldwide in the last few months. Of course the reasoning for this is quite clear, namely the amount of people willing to pay the pricetag is getting less and less and the competition has gained value by cutting price. The remedy for this is a pricecut of their own which will likely happen at the end of the year providing the Japanese government sorts the ridiculous value of the yen.

I could amazingly also point to nintendo who in december's npd barely increased sales over noverber's npd menaing that it was left to the DS to break the ps2's december sales record. Of course though the wii is fine and the cause was probably supply related issues.

My point is here that all consoles have something to be concerned about but in my opinion these concerns are overexaggerated and usually come from the sensationalist media. I find it weird when I know full well that all 3 consoles are going nowhere but I constantly see ps3/360/wii is doomed articles. I guess I just have to laugh.

Anon19743161d ago (Edited 3161d ago )

If the recession was slowing down sales, revenue didn't show that. Revenue and sales were up for MS during this last quarter but profit was dramatcially down.
While it true that Sony has a slightly worse holiday season vs last year they still managed growth of over 40% and sold very strong all year long. Even immediately following the 360's price cut the 360 was down 35% and 37% year over year in the US respectively and struggled are year long.
Quite frankly, there are a multitude of reasons why MS needs to be concerned about the 360 and this article does a poor job conveying the realities of the current situation but really, it might not matter at this point. MS seems to be very aware that there are long term issues or else they wouldn't have cut the 360's price, slashing their profits in the process. I don't want to make this a Sony vs MS comparision because obviously they are two very different companies and ultimately direct revenue comparisons are pointless because each company is at a different stage in their consoles lifecycle.
I totally agree that this spat of "X console is doomed" articles is tiring, but only when they don't have a point to make..much like this one. There are some real reasons for concern that should be discussed but most of these articles just avoid or simply aren't aware of the actual issues.

mint royale3160d ago

'If the recession was slowing down sales, revenue didn't show that. Revenue and sales were up for MS during this last quarter but profit was dramatcially down.'

-Ah I thought revenue was down too (I held this assumptions based off the article I haven't kept up to date with MS position in the last few weeks.) Even so it is no surprise that profits were down as they were selling their console and a far tighter profit margin than previously. The 360 took an age to have a price cut so I think this year was warranted. They are now priced competitively for 2009 and will gradually begin to make more profit as costs come down. As for sony they will break even this year but then they will have a choice of fianlly profiting on ps3 hardware or cutting the price. I'd say MS are in a far better position than sony in this respect and if ms need to cut the price aggresively they will to keep ahead.

'While it true that Sony has a slightly worse holiday season vs last year they still managed growth of over 40% and sold very strong all year long. Even immediately following the 360's price cut the 360 was down 35% and 37% year over year in the US respectively and struggled are year long.'

-Its true that sony's YOY growth was good but I think this is a cherrypicking detail. Comparing 2007 ps3 sales where they struggled to beat the Gameboy Advance is not really all that impressive to be comparing 2008 sales too. But hey its the stat that makes the ps3 look the best which is why sony use it in their responses to NPD. I agree that the 360 struggled until september. That is clear and the reason was it needed a price cut. The YOY figures you gave though I suspect are a tad misleading as in 2007 that was halo 3 month where the 360 beat the wii. To fail doing that again is not a disaster by any means. Didn't they sell 750K 360's in september 2007 - a comparable amount to what the ps3 sold this christmas?! I fail to see how this is a bad thing.

'Quite frankly, there are a multitude of reasons why MS needs to be concerned about the 360 and this article does a poor job conveying the realities of the current situation but really, it might not matter at this point. MS seems to be very aware that there are long term issues or else they wouldn't have cut the 360's price, slashing their profits in the process.'

-I fail to see how cutting the price comes from having long term issues? Did sony when they slashed the ps3 price, will nintendo when they finally cut the price of the wii? Its business, and the 360 was going stale at its price and has now been given a new lease of life. People wrote the 360 off at the start of 2008 as it was being outsold by the ps3 worldwide but now MS have turned this round and head into 2009 outselling the ps3. I fail to see how MS is in troubel for a multitude of reasons when their main aim is clearly to stop sony and the ps3 dominating and quite clearly this has been successful even if it has taken nintendo to do the damage this gen.

shovelbum3160d ago

It is about as doomed as the PS3 as in not at all. Software has always been the bread and butter of consoles. How is this news anyway?

Anon19743160d ago

I try to look beyond the numbers to contemplate the "why" of what we're seeing. PS3 sales looked good in 2007, selling neck and neck with the 360 during the year so a year over year increase of 40% is nothing to sneeze at. When the PS3 hit 17 million by their second year anniversary (vs the 13 million the 360 did) it became evident that the PS3 is catching on far faster than the 360 ever did.

So why is that? Why do you think people are snatching up the PS3 faster than they were willing to do with the 360? Why can the PS3 show 40% growth from year one to year 2 when the 360 could only manage 15%? What is the reason that 360 sales went stale so quickly?

No company wants to do price cuts, they want to make as much money as possible. Don't expect a Wii price cut anytime soon because sales are still strong. The 360 cut it's price not because they wanted to but because they could see the writing on the wall. They still carry the stigma of hardware issues, developers are stepping up claiming the PS3 more profitable for them as well as becoming more vocal about hardware limitations and sales were decreasing before the price cut. Fanboys love to fall all over themselves to point out the last two months of sales data but it's like they all have collective amnesia and often overlook the fact that both consoles are at very different points in their lifecycle.

mint royale3160d ago

'I try to look beyond the numbers to contemplate the "why" of what we're seeing. PS3 sales looked good in 2007, selling neck and neck with the 360 during the year so a year over year increase of 40% is nothing to sneeze at. When the PS3 hit 17 million by their second year anniversary (vs the 13 million the 360 did) it became evident that the PS3 is catching on far faster than the 360 ever did.'

-I agree with some parts of what you are saying but I don't share you doom and gloom views about the 360. I try to look beyond the numbers too and assess where the industry is going. This YOY increase that you keep referring too was the result of a huge ps3 pricecut at the end of 2007. Here in the UK at the start of 2007 a ps3 cost £425 but at the start of 2008 it cost just £299 hence the growth. Without a price cut this year the ps3 won't have a chance of repeating that growth rate as it is still much too expensive for the average consumer. As for the ps3 being at 17 million and the 360 at just 13.6 (I think) after 2 years I don't see how that shows me that the ps3 is doing amazingly well. The 360 had a truly awful first year with the 360 only managing to ship 6 million to retailers upon the ps3's release. Comparing the sales from the ps3's release and you will see they are dead even and have been for 2 years on the market, with the 360 just edging ahead since the septmeber cuts and both have had price cuts too. If the 360 is doomed so is the ps3, they are one and the same in sales. Comparing sales after 2 years against the 360 isn't a measure of the ps3's success. How about comparing it to the ps2/wii/DS etc to get a more rounded overview of how the console is doing.

'So why is that? Why do you think people are snatching up the PS3 faster than they were willing to do with the 360? Why can the PS3 show 40% growth from year one to year 2 when the 360 could only manage 15%? What is the reason that 360 sales went stale so quickly?'

-As I have already said, price! The ps3 had a huge cut from 2007 to 2008 hence the growth whilst the 360 didn't. The 360 was the longest console in history to not have a price cut until the wii broke the record. Going stale is hardly fair when it has sold even with the ps3 for 2 years. If the 360 is stale so is the ps3. Growth rates are used by people who don't want to compare the actual figures to convey a point.

'No company wants to do price cuts, they want to make as much money as possible. Don't expect a Wii price cut anytime soon because sales are still strong. The 360 cut it's price not because they wanted to but because they could see the writing on the wall. They still carry the stigma of hardware issues, developers are stepping up claiming the PS3 more profitable for them as well as becoming more vocal about hardware limitations and sales were decreasing before the price cut. Fanboys love to fall all over themselves to point out the last two months of sales data but it's like they all have collective amnesia and often overlook the fact that both consoles are at very different points in their lifecycle.'

-Here I agree with the wii. It is a fantastic monster that just won't slow down and will chase the ps2's sales in the coming years. But how can you say the 360 saw the writing on the wall hence the cut? They saw sales slowing hence the cut. Simple. Did sony see the writing on the wall when they gave a huge pricecut in 07? No, its business and price cuts are needed to keep competitive. Even the ps2 had them and the wii will one day.

They may carry the stigma of hardware issues yes but your exaggerating the claims of the ps3 being more profitable to developers. A few big companies have reported seeing more profits on the ps3 but some also on the 360. Either way the difference is not big enough to warrant dumping any console. As for the limitations of the hardware it is irrelevant as the 360's userbase is too strong to ignore. You think non sony related developers will ignore 80% of the market and develop solely for the ps3? Not a cat in hells chance.

As for fanboys only pointing out the last 2 months of sales that is true. But many ps3 fans seem to ignore the last (4!) months of strong 360 sales and ignore them. These sales are highlighted because they are the current sales and the new trend until the next shock in the market creates a new pattern of sales. The 360 was slow until september but they have turned it around and they don't deserve more stick but praise because many including me did not think this turnaround was possible. There are no rational arguments around that show that the 360 is in trouble in the forseeable future.

Anon19743160d ago

The 360 had a price cut during those first 2 years as well, as you noted, so it evens things out when we're comparing the first two years in each console's lifecycle. The PS3 still seems to be catching on faster than the 360 did, no matter how you slice it but the difference is when the 360 was 13 million after it's first 2 years we weren't subjected to "MS and the 360" are in trouble articles.
Don't get me wrong...I'm not one of the doomsayers who predicts ruin and desperation upon MS's head, I just worry about the 360's long term prospects. Like the Xbox before it, the 360 has not really found it's global audience, still being very much limited to the US market. Sure a few titles can sell well on the 360 but Halo 2 moved over 8 million copies as well and we all know how the orig Xbox turned out.
I disagree that there are no rational arguments for worry about the 360. I know some developers no doubt make more off the 360 but considering the larger userbase I think it's very telling when a company like EA says they make 40% more off the PS3. They don't come much bigger than EA. And also considering that when you look at MS's financials it looks like they'd be losing money still if it weren't for XBL subscriptions. I find this worrying for a console that's been on the market for 3 years and now that the quality of PS3 titles are routinely distancing themselves from 360 exclusives I think the 360 may have some tough times ahead.

soxfan20053160d ago

I strongly disagree with the comment that "no company likes to cut prices", and MS only cut theirs because they "could see the writing on the wall". ALL electronic items have price cuts over their lifetimes as technology becomes cheaper to produce. It's not desperation, it's business. Remember, 1 year ago a stand alone blu-ray player costs over $400. Now they are $200. Did all those companies "see the writing on the wall"? No, it's just the normal cycle of electronics pricing. When Sony cuts the PS3 price, will they be held to the same standard, or will it somehow be regarded as a "brilliant business decision"?

Neither MS or Sony are in ANY trouble. Both the PS3 and 360 will last at least 8 years each, and each will have MANY price drops in their lifetimes.

Anon19743160d ago

I agree that price cuts are part of the lifecycle of electronics, but I stand by the idea that no company wants to make them. MS games had their first profitable year ever and then rushed out and slashed prices to the point where it appears they're losing money on the hardware again. With still over 2.5 billion in loses since they launched the 360, don't you think if everything were just hunkey-dorey with sales they would have left the price the same rather then cut prices, nearly flatlining profit over the most important quarter to deal with the sales slide?

When Sony does cut the price on the PS3, make no mistake, it's not going to be because they want to make less money, it's going to be because they have to in order to spur more sales growth or to keep pace with the competition, just like with the Blu-Ray players. No one "wants" to do it but that's the reality of the business.

IcarusOne3160d ago

With phrases like this, you know it's an objective article.

rockleex3160d ago

Funny how "PS3 is doomed" articles are full of truth but "360 might be in trouble" needs to provide facts.

True, PS3 November sales were down from 07's November sales, but year over year it increased. Yet, bloggers everywhere chose to ignore the FULL facts.

They chose to write a full article about how the PS3 is doomed just because its November 08 sales weren't as good as 07's.

All these selective blindness needs to go out the door.

Anyways, at least this article doesn't claim the 360 is doomed. It merely says that Microsoft might be in trouble with Sony stepping up their game.

Blademask3160d ago

I'm not even reading any comments after that one. Seriously, thats whats up. If the media looked at all the facets of the consoles they would come to the following conclusions:

1. Wii has created its own market for gamers, and will thrive with them until they get bored.

2. The 360 and the PS3 are going head to head even after the 360's year head start.

Competition is good.

that guy3160d ago

Thats why xbox has been boasting all around the internet.
ps3 10.3 million xbox sold 11.1 million, I think that is the numbers give or take a little.

that guy3160d ago

WOULD HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU BY FAR, DARKRIDE YOU ARE BEING WAY TO BIAS AND MS IS NOT IN TROUBLE, YOU KNOW HOW RICH MICROSOFT IS. PS3 HAS MORE PROBLEMS THEN MS I WOULD SAY. YET, THEY ARE NOT GOING ANY WHERE EITHER. SO CALM DOWN THERE GUY.

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BrunoM3161d ago (Edited 3161d ago )

It hits every one what can we do lol....

it cant hit only the ones some want to. right ? ...

snipermk03161d ago

Now, why don't you try that in English?

BrunoM3161d ago

and by that you mean the compositions of the sentence ?

the spelling is right .

and just it helps you out i ain't natural to NA .!

omodis4203161d ago

I guess this signals the beginning of xbox bashing month?

Bathyj3161d ago

It would make a nice change from the PS3 bashing olympiad.

Raz3160d ago

When I keep hearing the same thing over and over, it loses some of its meaning. All the PS3-iz-ded articles that came out took on a 'boy who cries wolf' feel - while the comparative silence on the 360 became somewhat ominous.

So, by contrast, when a rare '360 might be doomed' article pops up, I tend to take it far more seriously. The evidence is certainly more compelling.

Liquid Snake3161d ago (Edited 3161d ago )

We still need 99 more Xbox 360 is dead and RROD articles to match the 1 to 1 ratio of PS3 hate and doomed stories.

Edit: /sarcasm (had to edit this in because Power of Green can't detect it)

Why dis3161d ago (Edited 3161d ago )

Forced fake news designed to lash back because of Sony's troubles is not news worthy. Whatever helps you people sleep better.

I have never seen spin on this level.

omodis4203161d ago (Edited 3161d ago )

"I have never seen spin on this level"

Microsoft's entire price drop is spin. It's to increase the install base while pleasing their short term share holders. Except for when quarterly reports come out detailing their losses. It's all spin. Anyone who has a side or represents a side spins. That's just the name of the game. Sony sold 700,000 consoles in December and they are doomed. That is spin. This article took facts, bottom line. Name one part that was spin, besides the title.

Liquid Snake3161d ago (Edited 3161d ago )

Power of Green, Maybe i should build you a sarcasm detector because clearly you have no sense of humor.

Did you even read the article? No spin involved.

@POG i just switched the first line with the second line. F**K! Calm the F down.

Why dis3161d ago (Edited 3161d ago )

SPIN SPIN SPIN lol.

PS3 sold like sh*t untill it had three or four price drops/SKU swaps, who fucin cares why PS3 sold better all that matter that it did.

Is PS3 going to fail because they keep dropping the price? around 5 or 6 times in some manner thus far. Sony owned two generations and is being pushed around that is the truth of the matter. lol

@4.3 Who in the hell is POG? Trolling isn't funny to adults.

@4.5 he edited his posts.

BrunoM3161d ago

What are you talking about ????

The Lazy One3161d ago (Edited 3161d ago )

"Name on part that was spin"

"While the 360 did gain ground on its rival Sony’s PS3. This is all attributed to the price drop."

firstly, this implies the 360 was behind. Secondly, who gives a [email protected] what it was attributed to? It did. The only reason the giants won super bowl 25 was because the bills missed a field goal. Guess what! The giants still lost the super bowl.

It's not like they're suddenly going to raise the price back up again, and it's something a LOT of people expected to happen. It's sony's own fault it didn't respond with it's own, so deal with it.

edit: @below.

They might drop in profits from the price drop, but they're still making more off each 360 sold than sony is off PS3s, so that's a null-point.

omodis4203161d ago

"firstly, this implies the 360 was behind. Secondly, who gives a [email protected] what it was attributed to? It did. The only reason the giants won super bowl 25 was because the bills missed a field goal. Guess what! The giants still lost the super bowl.

It's not like they're suddenly going to raise the price back up again, and it's something a LOT of people expected to happen. It's sony's own fault it didn't respond with it's own, so deal with it."

Okay dude. You can be ahead and continue to gain ground. Also you should care about attribution in a debate when the subject is increased sales vs decreased profits. You could argue that the main assertion of profits declining is due to price drop. But in reality this is just a common sense argument. Lets say that they dropped the price of Resistance 2 and Little Big Planet to 30 bucks. Suddenly these games fly off the shelves. You would see a huge increase in unit sales but a drop in profits resulting from the drop in price.
It really is a simple thing.

callahan093161d ago

What are you talking about, Why Dis? They've dropped the price once. And it was almost a year and a half ago now. If you're going to talk about SKU exchanges, HA! Microsoft have had WAY more SKU's than Sony, when you bring in the various pack-in bundles, the fact that they currently have THREE SKU's on the market simultaneously, and at the end of 2007 it was FOUR with the Halo 3 SKU. They've changed the CORE to ARCADE. They've changed hard drive sizes in the PRO. They've released numerous versions with supposedly improved chipsets that didn't actually prevent the console from failing. Don't argue price drops & SKU exchanges to attempt to make Sony look bad, because Microsoft has done all that far, far more.

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omodis4203161d ago

I hope MS comes crashing down to the ground under the might of Sony.

JasonPC360PS3Wii3161d ago

Come crashing down under the might of the PS3's last place boot...:)

Why dis3161d ago

You're crazy. Put the controller down lol.

chaosatom3161d ago (Edited 3161d ago )

Killzone 2 would like to break 360 in half and eat it for breakfast.

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karlostomy3161d ago (Edited 3161d ago )

yeah little johnny

you keep spouting nonsense.

please show me the published evidence that the ps3 outsold the 360 in 2008. I am thinking that, in fact, the 360 destroyed the ps3 Sooo severely that the ENTIRE year of ps3 gains were wiped out in nov/dec and the 360 came out the winner worldwide for 2008

And, if you do find some links, please make sure you show that you understand the difference between Financial year and calendar year reporting differences. Sony has a nasty habit of changing the way they report things to make the balance sheet look better.
Especially lately what with all those losses they are making!

I am waiting.

Graphics Whore3161d ago

Haha, OUT SOLD? You mean out-shipped.

JasonPC360PS3Wii3161d ago

No it's "outsold" but your a droid, so thats your excuse. Isn't it time for you to come up with another "I own a 360" lie? The PS3 is last this gen, deal with it and stop crying, whining, and making excuses for it.

Graphics Whore3161d ago (Edited 3161d ago )

Too bad Microsoft counts their sold/shipped numbers with refurbs included.

Lol I'm not a droid by the way, I just love putting down dumb Xbox fanboys and there's a lot of them and they're all very stupid.

You still think sales matter, how pathetic is that. What happened to having a better line up in 2007? Didn't that matter at all?

2008: Oh we did okay, not as good as 2007, let's just see what 2009 has

2009: We have better sales than Sony! I mean, the games aren't there but the sales! It's all about the sales!

"bu-bu-but the sales! The sales mean something don't they?" - Jason 360

Dude, it's a $199 console being outsold by the Wii.

I would not brag about sales when the Xbox 360 is in a position where it's not number one first of all and the game line up in 2009 is very weak and does not cater to the demographic whatsoever.

At least Sony being third can say they have a line up worthy of gaming fans.

Pseudo Microsoft stock broker - 0

Gamers - 1

Enjoy.

Consoldtobots3161d ago

why does anyone bother arguing with these retarded kids??

these xbots know absolutely NOTHING about market trends year to year.
Sony always comes out on top, in fact by this time next year it will be even more evident which way the 360 is headed. From here it looks like the dust bin of history.

zag3161d ago

Forget about Sony crushing MS.

I would say MS can't afford to keep the 360, after all it was a Bill Gates money dream, and only he could make the share holders keep it as a product.

Now that Bill Gates has left everyone including the CEO won't be so hard core to keep the 360, after all it's never made money, MS stock price is dropping and share holders won't be wanting to keep products that aren't making the cut.

The PS3 might be $400USD or the dearest but it's not killing Sony to keep making it or sell it.

Even when Sony drops the price it'll be because they can afford to not because they are trying to screw the market into buying it.

lawman11083160d ago

I am too busy playing the RE5 demo. You know, the one you will get on the PS3 in a WEEK.....

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Sir Ken_Kutaragi3160d ago

When i saw that at the Top of n4M$gamers.com, i thought i clicked on the wrong site!!! ;-D
(A Negative xBox 360 Article on this xBox/Mod Loving site???!!!WTF!!!???)

Come a good PS3 price cut and it's bye bye xFLOP 360!!! ;-D

And EVERYONE KNOWS IT!!!;)

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