You know with Killzone 2 coming out next month everyone is screaming halo killer but why does Sony need a halo killer? It's just one game, what we should be saying "Does Microsoft have God of War killer? or a Gran Turismo killer?"
Exactly! <BAD JOKE> Bowser has been trying to kill Mario for decades. Hasn't worked. </BAD JOKE>
We all agree that COD4 was already a halo-killer, but Killzone 2 is so far ahead of Halo its a joke to compare the 2. Killzone 2 might not sell more then Halo 3. Halo is hyped by microsoft to the extreme with crap like 'Halo soda'. But as a game, Killzone 2 rapes Halo 3. End of.
The thing is ... even if Killzone 2 has arguable better 1. FPS mechanics 2. Storyline 3. Graphics A Halo fan will always be a fan of Halo. COD4 was and is still the best FPS I've played. Regarding KZ2. I don't think its going to kill Halo. Just humble it.
I'm uncertain whether Killzone 2 will beat Halo 3 in terms of sales. It should if there's any justice. And like you said, i don't think it's going to steal all the fans from the halo fanbase. 90% of them aren't old enough to play Killzone 2 anyway. I'm just saying 'as a game', Killzone 2 kills Halo 3. Now that is a sweet justice considering how everyone viewed Killzone 1. Good job Guerilla
i'm guessing Killzone 2 will top 6 million by the time its all said and done...the feasibility of the genre is higher than some like MGS4...which is all over high 4 millions now...and there is a much larger PS3 installed base than there was for the 360 when gears 1 launched...which topped at about 5.5 million...6 seems pretty reasonable, 7 if Sony markets it right...and maybe 8 if Sony cuts the price of the console in line with the release of the game...
Sony needs a Halo killer, because my company has trained (and paid) the media to say such nonsense. In all reality, Microsoft needs a PlayStation killer, and guess what: it's not the Xbox 360. If we were confident in our products, n4g wouldn't have 1/10th of the anti-Sony articles it does. More anti-Sony news = more fear for me and my company.
I think both MS and Sony need to pick a game to pack into every sku so that wii sports and wiiplay can be killed. That game that ships in every system sold, I want to see one from MS and Sony next time around. Support your flagship franchise to the max.
[pack games] They do. Why do you think Lego Indiana Jones and KungFu Panda is in the top ten ? (or close to it).
Thats not what I mean, various bundles is different , I mean just like wii has wii sports in every wii sold. I want to see the same for 720, and PS4 just not a wii sports game , but there flagships I want to see a game ready at launch and packed into every system from the start of the gen to the end. If you look at franchise #'s sold you see this really helps a franchise and it also helps move the hardware. The fact that the online community's on PSN and XBL are so solid it would be really good if the game they chose to bundle into every sku would be something with online multiplayer. Halo 4 or Gears 3 in every 720 sku for instance, or KZ3 or R4 in every PS4.Is what I would want to see.
PS3 is in last place don't forget that while enjoying all these corny articles
it's simple. Killzone 2 will never outsold any Halo Game and KZ2 it's amazing but the fanbase of Halo is Huge, K2 will never have that and halo will remain as the most playable FPS of any console.
Halo3 has to be possibly the greatest FPS game ever made... Certantly the best this gen... I am not looking forward to KZ2 in the slightest since KZ1 sucked... Its like me hyping Haze2 or Too Human2... I dont hype sequels to crappy games... I hype sequels to great games like MGS4... But Halo has some of the best visuals this gen... The art design is brilliant and the world seems full of life and is very vibrant... Visually its better than Killzone2... But I cant see the gameplay in KZ2 topping Halo either... Halo has Story, Coop and competitive multiplayer...Not to mention forge and the ability to save replays and screenies... The fact that the game controls so good too KZ2 has a lot to live up to and if im being honest I expect it to fall short by a lot... If KZ2 is good I will pick it up but it doesnt even look close to being a better game than Halo3... Halo all round looks like the better game with better visuals, possibly better soundtrack and the gameplay looks much better... I cant hype sequels to crap games... I wouldnt hype Haze2, Too Human2 or Lair2 etc etc... I would hype god of war3 and uncharted2 since they have earned it... Anyway im not saying KZ2 is worse than Halo... I will decide when I play it...But im not expecting much at all since the first one sucked... Halo looks set to be best FPS this gen
Your 360 may be on fire. Don't forget that while you're typing on your pc
Get out, put your pants back on, and get out. I appreciate art, I appreciate it on a more technical level preferably not in pink and lime green with rainbows.
thats the type of response I would expect from a graphics whore who doesnt appreciate art... o well back to LBP
"90% of them aren't old enough to play Killzone 2 anyway" Is killzone 2 rated AO? Halo is a M rated title. So is Killzone 2. While there is a large amount of young players, I'm most certain that a majority of Halo players are above the age of 18. COD4 is not a Halo killer due to it being a different style of FPS. Killzone 2 is going for the same sort of feal as COD4 and should be trying to be the "COD4 killer" Halo is revolutionary whether people want to accept it or not. Every game brought something new to the table. Whether it was the matchmaking in Halo 2, or the forge and endless amount of custom ability. @Graphics whore I'm sorry that you can't appreciate the games are a form of art and aren't always about trying to look life-like
is subjective. For me personally i play games for their SP and in that regards Halo 3 was a big dissapointment. Saleswise i am pretty sure KZ2 will not outsell Halo 3 because of the current PS3 userbase. I think KZ2 will do MGS4 numbers and most likely be the number 1 PS3 exclsuive seller but it will not outsell Halo 3. The x360 userbase are more hardcore and love their shooters more imo. Sony needs a household FPS game more than a Halo killer. Luckily for them they have 2 this gen. Sony needed KZ2 so that FPS fans would also see the PS as having a definative FPS experience which is something they could'nt say in previous gens.
Want to see a world full of life? Go play MGS3. Halo3 has best visuals this gen? Are you kidding me? Mario Galaxy has about the same visuals as Halo. Best visuals? That must be a joke since it can't even compare to Gears1 which in turn can't even compare to Uncharted1 which in turn can't even compare to Killzone2. Gameplay? COD4 already killed Halo's gameplay. Anyone who's played the Killzone2 beta knows that Killzone2 puts COD4's gameplay to shame. The only thing Halo3 has is the easy pick up and play factor, and lots of customization.
"If Microsoft’s Xbox360 system is so powerful, then why isn’t their flagship game looking somewhat close to Killzone 2" Why does no game on 360 come close to Killzone 2? Answer: Because Microsoft's Xbox 360 is not as powerful as the PS3
"Why does no game on 360 come close to Killzone 2? Answer: Because Microsoft's Xbox 360 is not as powerful as the PS3" bubble for that lol
there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to counter that...we keep getting told that its not the systems...that its the fact that killzone 2 took so long and was so much money...which could be the case too...either way...doesn't change the fact that the PS3 is getting the most gorgeous game of this generation so far...and the 360...isn't...
But I wonder if Microsoft's relentlessness push of the aging Unreal Engine 3 that is holding the system back. If you look at the potential graphics of Alan Wake for the 360, it looks really good. Hopefully we will see more from developers in the future.
UE3.0 could be holding back XB, but I doubt it, considering the 2 best looking games are Gears and Gears 2. But having said that, they definately need for purpose built engines like Alan Wakes rather than just UE3.0 all the time. Everything just starts looking samey with all the same faults. But heres a flip side to that, I actually thing multplat games are still being held back by XB, the lowest common denominator, but I think when XB3 (please dont call it 720, thats pathetic) comes out it will raise the bar for visuals and remove the glass ceiling. PS3 will still hold its own. Its will benefit from having to keep up with XB3 and games will look better on both, much in the same way as making the PS3 lead console now brings better results to XB360.
It doesnt matter how better the game is, a Halo-Killer is essentially a game that is NOT MULTIPLATFORM, and sells more and faster than any of the Halos did. People say PS3 needs a Halo-Killer cause Halo sold a sh1t load of copies and is the most recognizable xbox 360 game. COD4 is not a Halo-Killer cause it was on all platforms so it cannot be called one.
Because GT4 sold more than Forza 1 and 2 combined. What's the point in having a (insert) killer other than it being a my pen!s is bigger than yours type of thing. No console is dependent on one game for victory.
Ok how about Wii play Wii fit or Wii sports all of those destroyed all Halos combined.
GT destroys Halo, GTA destroys Halo, Super Mario Bros. destroys Halo... In sales. But that is not the issue. The issue is how does Sony take the wind out of Halo's sails? They do that with an exclusive shooter that destroys it in every way.
I think what you guys mean is genre wise. Technically Counterstrikes numbers would beat Halo. But in the midst of this fanboy war, sony and M$ fans always seem to forget about PC and Wii. Otherwise if your talking platform exclusives. There's this 8000 pound gorilla called World Of Warcraft.
Because they want money?
ahahaha you rock man and i agree totally!! But come on killzone 2 looks so sick at the moment, im hyped out of this world!! Can i be bubbled up because fanboys ate myn up :P
Give up Sony just give up.
pp just give up
That's just a fanboy term. Halo 3 helped boost XBOX 360 sales back in September of 2007, but Halo hasn't been a factor since then. What PS3 needs is a price drop.
We'll see if this is true. Say, now that the KZ2 hype is building, I could imagine it will be a system seller as well. Even without a price cut. The last time we saw that hype was when Sony had a great E3 (was that 2007 ?) and then lowered the price. Now we got CES and the imminent release of a block buster title (and, not only that, a strong line for 2009 up to make sure the hype doesn't just vanish in thin air). Sure, price will drop, but I predict this is no priority any more.
is more of a Media phrase than a fanboys.
bubbles for you my fellow gamer - that never crossed my mind but now its all clear to me.........thanks
Lol, so very true.
Sony doesn't need a Halo killer..... The media wants one.
That is the bottom line. Bubbles up
for the term 'console war'.
You couldn't be more right, but Sony has a personal agenda obviously, In all my years have you ever seen a game pushed so hard to meet quota? Killzone 2 is a visual wrecking ball, people are saying how much they like the gameplay as well. Sony's trying to prove something to somebody.
That somebody is us...
It's all Marketing, if Sony can Market it right it will be huge, I'm sure these games can co-exist just fine, one doesn't need to kill the other.
who cares if we need a halo killer its gona be an awsome game its gona sell good
I am not sure if "Halo killer" is the right word. I think its more meant like "that game, you'd go out for buying that damn machine". That was, what happened when Halo released. They (MS) built that hype so big, that you got the feeling you had to go out and buy that machine to not get left behind. I got my PS3(s) already, but with those KZ2 videos just shown, this brings back those memories. (..I didn't buy an xbox back then, though).
Halo is the biggest selling exclusive this gen (not packaged game) Halo 3 is inching close to 10 million now, thats huge for an exclusive. You also have a new Halo comming this fall wich will sell and dominate the market again this holiday season. Halo isn't some game that sold a couple of million and has small fanbase, it's a huge game the world knows about. It's a household name like Mario, Killzone just leaches on to that name as a "Halo killer" to try and get free hype and squeeze out a few copies of a mediocre series, that still hasn't proved anything other than scoring 8s and 7s.
First off, Halo isn't an original idea http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... second Bungie didn't make a good game till Halo http://www.bungie.net/proje... and DOOM RIPOFF, third it's calling marketing. Killzone 2 is a 50 million dollar game, expect some serious marketings behind it. The fact the Xbox 360 hasn't demonstrated anything this heavy in hardware probably has Microsoft second guessing. This is the undeniable proof that Sony has magic dust in the PS3.
I thought it was Wii Play. Or Wii Fit. Or Wii Sports. Halo doesn't sell because it's the best game or best FPS out there, Bioshock and Orange Box are better, hell Golden Eye and the original Perfect Dark are still better. And who cares about scores from people that are *paid* by the companies making the products to review? As usual another Microsoft lemming, congratulations Jason you win the lowest IQ of the day award.
Killzone just leaches on to that name as a "Halo killer" to try and get free hype and squeeze out a few copies of a mediocre series, that still hasn't proved anything other than scoring 8s and 7s. why cant you just enjoy the game without being a flamer. only the media says thing like halo killer and what not so be mad at them not sony :)
8.9 million http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...
1st off. Ring World has nothing to deal with Halo besides that it is a ring in space. That it is. The story and everything is completely different. secondly, Bungie didnt make a good game till Halo?!?! The Marathon series disagrees. But I am guessing you haven't even heard of the series. I find it humorous how you say Bungie didnt make any good games yet you seem to not look at Killzone's developer and their track record.
You were ripping GG before hand, I was just merely stating the facts, do your research and this doesn't have to happen.
You didnt state any fact. Just because you put a source, doesn't mean the information in that source is correct or relevant. You were wrong about Ring world and you were wrong about Bungie not making any good games before Halo. I wasn't "ripping" GC. My observations are more factual then yours. Guerrilla Games are: ShellShocked Nam '67: 58 Killzone: 70 Killzone Liberations: 77 ---- average= 68 Bungie old games are hard to find scores on because they are so old but ONI itself, known to be Bungie's worst game is a 69. Marathon series was great and got amazing reviews. Gamespot gave Marathon 2 a 8.2. There are your facts. Bungie's old games average comes to 75.5 which doesnt include the first Marathon which would raise the average.
They won't ever get one
Look, I hate when people set games up to be failures. Calling any game a "killer" to any franchise does nothing but create comparisons between two titles, and nothing can kill a great memory or experience. Let's face it. Halo, Gears of War, Doom, and Final Fantasy are among the best memories gaming has to offer. There was, and never will be a killer to any of these games. Doom was never "killed" despite the many so called attempts throughout the years. Halo never killed it. Gears of War never killed it. Most of all, Killzone 2 won't kill anything. At best, Killzone 2 will stand among them, standing side by side, among the legends of game titles. Just like all the others. Every claim by media and fanboys to be a killer does nothing but create the opposite effect. And the media, by now knows this. This is nothing more than a secret way to get a title to fail. It will create high expectations, and will result in Killzone 2 failing for not being like Halo and at the same time failing it for being just like Halo. See what I mean? Either way, people's perceptions of Killzone 2 will always be negative looking at it against as a replacement to something we all enjoy. Forget it. Just play Killzone 2, enjoy it, and if it redefines the genre with new things, then let it be. Just don't take these new memories and use it to wipe out the old. In the end, the more memories we have, the better.
Fully agreed. Well said.
He makes a few good points, but holy moley, you'd think the author of the article would proofread for grammar errors before posting it for others to read. :-|
I'll be the first to admit that every Halo since the first one has been an underwhelming experience for me as a gamer. Drunken college nights with two big-screen tv's pushed back to back for some serious 4 v 4 CTF will never be topped. But to call KZ2 a game that is incomparable to NOTHING on the XBOX is the epitome of fanboyism. Does the game look good? Absolutely! Will it play well? Will the game not be boring or repetitive at times? Will the objectives be all that different than halo? Will the story be any good? Those questions remain wide open. And graphically, the 360 has certainly put out some beautiful games. As has the PS3. But KZ2 isn't some Christ-like game that will render everything before it unplayable. It's another FPS set in a dreary environment against an "alien" force that you must stop. And the AI and enemy variations look a little underwhelming from the videos. And don't forget, the not-as-awesome-as-they-should- be Halo sequels did feature some impressively solid game engines and robust MP (more so H3). edit: the guy makes good points about not needing a halo killer, but I he misses the point that it's not about making a killer FPS, but instead making an seemingly unstoppable franchise, which most of the games he mentioned arent (speaking in terms of ungodly sales).
every shooter released on the PS3 is touted as the Halo killer..none ever come close..Halo won't go away and there are good reasons why. Hope I can mod my DS3 into a 360 controller in time for KZ2!
I don't know about modding a DS3 controller into a 360 one, but playasia does have an adapter so you can use wired 360 controllers on the ps3. http://www.play-asia.com/pa...
They don't. But the media and fanboys alike seem to think they do. Look, we're all fanboys of something to some extent. Whether it be dev, game, console or company. Halo is not a great game or series. It's a great seller. More importantly, it sells because of its multiplayer. No one is rushing out to follow the story. You play it for achievements and the multiplayer. A multiplayer that has been overshadowed by COD4 and will be overshadowed even more by Killzone 2. This isn't me hating on anything. Just sharing my perspective. I've owned/played all the Halo games (borrowed 3) and I'm still amazed at what the draw is. Let the bubble mashing commence!
I don't want a "Halo Killer". I want Killzone 2... NOW!
Personally, I don't care if Killzone 2 is not a "Halo Killer". it is a great looking game and everyone I know that was in the MP beta said that it plays great. As long as Killzone 2 provides solid gameplay mechanics, great online, and a compelling story, then it will be (and is) a day-one purchase for me.
As for the Halo killer debate, I could care less.
It doesn't need one, besides, you can't kill a dream anyway and Halo is just an Xbot fantasy; something they like to pretend is special in some way, but isn't. Just something they've built up from nothing cuz they all want a silly shiny green suit and grow up to be Master Chefs (:0 Like World of Warcraft, their friends are into it so they are into it and you can't stop this social perpetuation crap...
Halo is a huge selling shooter. Whoop de f()cking doo. PlayStation brand has done fine with a huge variety in gaming, and it will continue to do fine. All these BS fud articles from the liars don't mean sqaut in the end.
When Bungie made Halo 3 they kept it as true to the previous ones as possible. Killzone 2 on the other has little graphical resemblence to the first. I'm trying to say that Halo 3 was never meant to melt faces, but just be another Halo. On the other hand, Killzone 2 melts faces.
As far as FPS, it's kinda hard to beat Halo in sales,lol(MS spent alot of money on marketing to make it seem like the second coming) but we have already seen FPS games that stomp over Halo in quality.
come the end of Febuary, Halo is going to be the last thing on my mind.
sony doesnt need it cause infinity ward already killed it