85% PS3 Gamers Online: Only 60% Xbox 360 Gamers

Gamezine:

"Being free comes with certain advantages. Approximately 85% of PlayStation 3 gamers are online, in comparison to only 60% of Xbox 360 gamers."

[HighDefinition]

Game or XBL, Game or XBL?

PSN: FREE
PC: FREE
XBL: Not FREE, NO MODS.

Game or XBL.

[RRoDReaper]

But I think I had more to do with it

[Lord Anubis]

only idiots pay for something that should be free.

[zethos56]

...or maybe they only have a 360.

I pay for XBL and don't mind. But I also have a PS3. And until the multi-plats start showing real advantage online on the PS3 (dedicated servers) I'll be playing on my 360. Not to mention all my friends are on XBL.

Edit: Does this account for multiple account users?

[Graphics Whore]

There is no advantage for paying more money to use your games over the internet you already pay to use. Both services are online, they have lagg time to time (one does not have more than they other shut up).

You pay to play online end of story.

[BulletToothtony]

i totally understand about your friends being on xbl.. of course you're gonna want to play with the people you have fun with.

That's why i spend even $80 on a night if i'm gonna have fun at a club..

But your argument of multi games being better on the 360 is not true anymore... now MOST games are if not equal better on the ps3, but the truth is that even back in the day when lets say the textures on transformers looked better, it didn't make the ps3 version unplayable, the only game that i will say yes was the orange box.. that game was garbage on the ps3..

Besides that, if you really think that multiplatform games are better on the 360 you're in denial...

And imo if you have better friends on xbl then go ahead and pay.. even thou you'll make friends on psn as well, but imho it is silly to pay for something that you can have for free.

[zethos56]

I was talking about online games. I know that there are superior PS3 multi-plat games. But when it comes to games like CoD I enjoy playing online on my 360 more. Maybe its the controller, maybe it's because there are more people on it (I'm assuming this is the case).

[Bill]

Sony's online service has been improving steadily since its inception. the choice to make it free compared to other services was a no brainer. One company wants to give you the best possible online experience, the other wants to put out shoddy machinery, false sales numbers, and un-varied games. They couldnt innovate enough last gen, so they are buying their way this gen and Live users are the ones financing it...

[eagle21]

I will always remind haterz about this,

85% > 60%

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Features of XBL >>>>>>>&g t;>> Features of PSN

Until PSN matches XBL 1 for 1 I don't mind paying for XBL.

[Bill]

well apparantly there is a difference of 15% of online console users that disagree with you

[morganfell]

^^^^^^And when you add what was just announced by EA for Home support, well the word for PSN users is SWEET!

[Saint Sony]

Free is free, but that does not make it better. I still find it more hard to find group of players with PS3 than 360 period.

[sretlaw]

It's a comparison of how many active subscribers to how many consoles sold. Read.

[DaCandyman]

Some of that other 11 million is the refurbished consoles that Microsoft have sent back and the consoles that we have repurchased. (I can account for 3 of them.

[Bubble Buddy]

zethos: Soundgarden ROCKS! :P.

Back on topic: The only features missing for me in PSN are cross game chat and in-game music for all games. Other than that, PSN is amazing for me, especially since it's free.

[evrfighter]

so according to this and the nielson ratings "Minutes played" 60% of 360 play a lot more the 80% than ps3 users....

interesting

[NegativeCreepWA]

You forgot cross-game invites, which enables you to find and join friends easily for all games. And how could PSN not have a feature as simple as a voice messaging.

[DaCandyman]

I do not think that you can account for multiple PSN accounts on one PS3, because when you first unpacked and hook up your PS3 and sign up for PSN you activate your PS3. It is still seen as one account, that is why most end up creating SUB-ACCOUNTS.

1 PS3 with 3 PSN accounts = 1 active account
just like you can create multiple ID names/personas under 1 yahoo account

justlike XBoX 360 1 account per console only you can not have more than 1 persona

[Bubble Buddy]

Yeah many of my friends made 3 accounts on 360 to get free LIVE for 30 days; one almost got banned lol. I still think LIVE should be free. It's just a cheap way to get more money. Or if they want u to pay for online, it should be ONLY when you play it. What if you're a gamer who only has time to game on weekends for example. You're paying for LIVE even on those weekdays you'll never play.

[meepmoopmeep]

well, you don't have to get Gold
i'm not. Silver is fine for me since i'm not a big online gamer.

if i feel like online play the odd time my PS3 is there

[BRG9000]

Which company is making more money from their online gamers though? $1 million between approximately 17 million online gamers is about 5.5 cents revenue per player for Sony.

In the month HOME has been out, Microsoft has made about $4 per gamer. Microsoft is making approximately 70 times as much money per online player.

I'm not saying I love paying for Xbox live, but you can't deny which company is making more money through their online service.

[ElementX]

Like clothes, furniture, clubs for your friends, and houses in HOME?

[prowiew]

This news is a little bit wrong. Those PSN accounts are ps3, psp and ps2 users. Also Xbox live numbers includes xbox 1. So those percentages are a little wrong.

[morganfell]

^^^^

Where does it say that? Just something else being made up to help people sleep better at night. We might as well say Microsoft's total 360 sales include all of the refurbs shipped out.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

In all fairness, MS had a few barriers to entry for online:

- Market, MS market is for the younger crowd (potentially 10-15 year olds) that don't know much about online setup
- Cheaper console also means attraction of the less high end market (Sony's age range is 30+)
- No wireless built in capability without an expensive add-on
- Stigma of being a paid service (how often do you get people asking, is Xbox Live free?)

With all fairness, a free service will garner many more users, but potentially less profitable. Xbox Live is still undeniably better than PS3 as an experience. To be fair, most of the important features for online gaming (or otherwise) is there for Sony. Anyone that says anything else is just pure Sony fanboys. All you MS haters go click disagree....

I'm impressed with Sony's numbers though, they caught up within 2-years, practically starting from nothing at the beginning of PS3's life.

[prowiew]

@ morgan

They confirm that at the last 1up yours podcast(RIP) (think by Shane Bettenhouse - whatever) Thats were I hear that. So is not made by me. Guess we have to wait for someone ask the question to Sony.

[terrandragon]

He's right, MMOs should be free because only an idiot pays for WoW or any other MMO. Shiz dude, don't talk like a dumbass.

[MURKERR]

.. but xbl is a good service theres no denying that

[JaggedSac]

You cannot say 85% PS3 gamers online and 60% XBox 360 gamers online, when PSN users can be from the PSP and the PS3.

[ice_prophecy]

You use the same account.... for both psp and ps3...

[The Lazy One]

only if you own both...

[KingME]

Sony said that there are 17 million active PSN accounts. I have several friends that have PS3's and not one of the have only have 1 psn account at a minimum they each have two.

So, with that being said the statement used by Sony misleading and a bunch of BS. The PS3 is NOT 85% online.

Nice try though.

[uxo22]

We have 4 PSN accounts on my PS3, My girl has one and my roommates have one each. And they are all on my PS3. So it the numbers are based on active PSN accounts, then they are clearly skewed and misleading.

[Ju]

^^ These are still 4 accounts, though. 4 potential customers, even if not used at the same time.

[Icecold33]

Come on man, 4 potential customers is not the same thing as 4 actual customers. You know as well as everyone else that Sony is trying to lead people to believe that 85 percent of PS3 owners are online. And they are taking the number of active PSN accounts and dividing it by the numbers of PS3s sold to get their 85 percent online, which is VERY misleading.

1 PS3 with 10 active should only account for 1 online user. Spin it how you want, deep down you know what I mean and you know that this stat is BS. I guess a question for Sony would be how many PS3s are online and not how may active free accounts are there.

To be honest with you, built in wifi, and the average family having internet server, the PS3 should be somewhere in the mid to high 90s instead of 85.

True online customers can play at the same time against each other at the same time. That's kind of hard to do when they are all on the same console huh?

[Consoldtobots]

but Sony only counts Master Accounts not sub accounts.

[KingME]

You are not correcting anyone, no one said anything about sub accounts. I am talking about Master accounts. You act as if you can only use 1 master account per PS3.

Don't correct me, just stop assuming things and you'll be okay.

[Consoldtobots]

ONLY have one master account per console, but you knew that right?

lets see who is making assumptions here:

http://manuals.playstation....

"Master account / sub account There are two types of PlayStation®Network accounts: master accounts and sub accounts.

Master account:
The standard account for using PlayStation®Network. A master account can be created by a registered user of a specified age or older. Master account holders can set certain usage conditions on associated sub accounts.

Sub account:
Users who do not meet the eligibility requirements for a master account in their region can only use a sub account. Sub account holders cannot create wallets but can make use of the wallet for the associated master account to pay for products and services. A sub account cannot be created if an associated master account does not exist.

Eligibility requirements for master accounts and sub accounts vary depending on the country or region of residence. For details, visit the SCE Web site for your region."

so once again SORRY TO CORRECT YOU.
(actually I caught you in an outright lie, but you knew you were lying to begin with)

[shelbygt33]

You know I didn't read where it said "only 1 master account allowed per console."

Can you point that out to me again?

[Icecold33]

haha, dude, why do you continue to make yourself look stupid. Kingme is correct you can have multiple master accounts. All you need to do is use a different PSN ID/Tag and create another account.

The only thing that you proved above was that you know how to look up the manual for PSN. You are yet to show that you can actually comprehend what you are reading.

So AGAIN, you have not corrected anyone. Try this one, apologize for being wrong, recant you last statement and move on...lol

One more thing, look at the update for this thread (top of thread) and try to see if you can get any clues from the update statement.

[dantesparda]

i have 4 accounts on my 360, my roommate has 4, and two of my friends have 2 accounts each. So dont act like this doesnt happen on the 360 too. You people are all so one sided.

[Gue1]

It is Free after all.

[floppyfeet]

I believe its also free to make as many accounts as you want to take advantage of other regional content , and things like reseting your online stats.

If 17 million was the actual number of ACTIVE psn users , home would not have such small numbers , i mean who wouldnt want to at least try it out?

[zo6_lover27]

Quote:
"Kaz Hirai announced that there are 17 million active accounts on the PlayStation network"

Yes, they are active accounts

[floppyfeet]

They are inflated

Active could mean as much as been active within the last year, fact is you dont know.

If the home numbers were closer to 10-15 million downloads

The numbers would be 100% fact

But to think that only 3.1 million PSN users decided to check out home out of 17 million people that have PSN accounts...... thats just ignorant thinking.

[PopEmUp]

Xbox 360 sale was a re-purchase cause of RROD, you know you had at lease 3 360 in your house and 2 are RROD.
So as for the prediction that why sale go up? This sound so much like your logic saying 17 million PSN active account was because of people were using multiple account?

[Graphics Whore]

You think Microsoft numbers are any better? They add Silver members to the total tally too, don't be so ignorant and prepare to get your bubbles eaten away thank god.

[snipermk0]

If you think the numbers are inflated, whats the guarantee that Microsoft are not lying about "17 million live accounts"?

[Foliage]

Let's also not forget the inflated hardware sales figures for the 360 and the RROD.

[dznutz00]

There is a lot of people out there that own a ps3 that don't know how to use it or they only play one game (socom) so i'm sure there is people that haven't downloaded home yet. O and the other accounts are made for peoples kids so they can put parental locks on them (in sonys eyes) it may not count as another console sold but at lest its being used by more than one person possibly of a different age and taste meaning more games or BR sales

not to say that people don't make other accounts for stupid reasons or euro and jap accounts

[butterfinger]

but PSN is FREE and not too bad at all. Once PS3 has cross game voice chat, I'll be 100% as happy with it as I am with LIVE.

[Hellsvacancy]

Lol - bubbles

[ArmrdChaos]

Must be those same idiots that buy bottled water...how many fall into that category???

[Xi]

considering you can find an assortment of FREE wifi spots near you that would allow you to connect locally...

[blackpanther25]

Bubbles for you. i was just talking about that to my friend today

[Kleptic]

well...all I know is...for the infinite number of 'home sucks' articles over the past month...the place is packed...I jumped on for about 20 minutes an hour ago...and the central square was absolutely loaded with people...and the theater is packed to the point where I could barely move around...

which brings up a point...anyone know how all that works?...in a finite space, there has to be a max number of people allowed...I mean what would happen to home if 1 million people tried to get on or something in the US server?...you obviously couldn't do anything, even if the servers where able to handle it...does the server just start randomizing who sees who?...if that makes any sense...when there are actually more people in Home than what you can actually see or something?...

just get the friggin game launching out for Home...then it will actually be a pretty cool service...

[Ju]

I would guess they'd split you into local areas or such.

Home is a pretty huge MMO, btw. Bigger then MAG. :)

[EskiJoe]

Every home space has a limit of 64 people. So whenever there is more than that a new instance of that space will instantaniously spawn, therefore it will never be overcrowded to the point were you can't move.

[ChronicOsmosis]

Because the xbox has attracted more casual gamers who don't give a crap about online. While the ps3, because of the price is adopted mainly by the hardcore gamer who do care about online. When the price drops on the PS3 and more casual gamers buy it, expect the numbers to even up.

[Kushan]

Couldn't agree more, this is the first thing that came into my head when I thought this. It'd be interesting to see how many Premium/HDD-equipped 360s have live memberships on them.

Still, free is always going to be more popular, no matter if it's better or not, so just because more PS3 users are on the PSN it does not mean "PSN is better", nor does Live's subscription mean "Live is better". Live definitely has more features, however it does cost money, depending on your outlook, you're going to pick one or the other, but there is no clear-cut winner by far.

I got a 12month live subscription for £24, that's £2 a month, which I still begrudge paying but it's not a huge amount by any stretch of the imagination, particularly when that gives you all the benefits that Live has (cross-game voice chat is my favourite, plus I find the whole interface easier to use than PSN and yes, I do own a PS3 - however my opinion is subjective, I'm still neutral when it comes to which is "better". Live has more features, but PSN is free, which is better is up to you).

[floppyfeet]

seriously , how many of said accounts were created by noobs who want new stats on COD4 ?

How many of the accounts are from people wanting to download free content from other countries?

Look at how many people downloaded home , only 3.1 million people

are you trying to tell me that out of the 17 million people that have PSN account , that only that many people wanted to at least give it a shot ?

Its pretty much fact that those numbers are hugely HUGELY inflated

[resistance100]

It depends, on my PS3 there are 2 PSN accounts (1 for me and 1 for myself). On the 360 i have 3 (1 is mine, 1 is housemate and 1 is guests).

Not to mention all the accounts people i know used to make on XBL so they got another months free trial rather than pay for Gold when there's expired.

[I_am_rushin]

Sony said 17mil ACTIVE accounts.

[Graphics Whore]

Get over yourself.

[zethos56]

Do you know what they mean by "active?" They could just mean the person logged on with the recent week/month.

[Anon1974]

You can second guess all you want but the end result is simple. In 2 years the PS3 has as big an online community as the 360 in 3 years, and PS3 fans are enjoying playing 100% of their games online like the games were meant to be played without having to kick up extra fees to Microsoft.

[floppyfeet]

most likely less then 1000 because you would have to be pretty stupid to not have it replaced for free lol.

nice try though

[Graphics Whore]

5 million 1st year 360 adopters without warranty what are they suppose to do?

[floppyfeet]

They can still get it replaced for free out of warrenty , MS still replaces them for free

i have had my console replaced 4 months out of warrenty no problem.

Its a myth that you are hearing about MS stopping replacements just because its out of the 3 year warrenty

[Mitch_Cumstein]

IF people are rebuying 360s and paying for them time and time again like you are suggesting they do, doesn't that make it even worse for the PS3.

I mean here we have Sony, last gen's overwhelming marketshare leader getting completely blasted by hardware that forces people to buy it over and over and over. If people are willing to go to that extremes to have a 360 then either the PS3 is absolute crap or the 360 is one hell of an experience that makes all the troubles worth it.

Either way, sucks to be the PS3

[Gaara_724]

my friend has had 5 xbox altogether 4 rrod'ed ( on within the 1st hour of purchase ) and just binned then only one person i know has sent it back the rest just bin it and buy a new one that all say y wait a month when i can get another one 2moro i sometimes think they have rrod danger money in the bank :L i got a 360 for xmas i pry to god it don't die

p.s does anyone know how to get there wireless add-on and the cooling system on the 360 looking neat? theirs not much room and my wireless add-on sort of just hangs in the air??

[Graphics Whore]

Mitch, that just might be the worst argument to start off the new year, congrats.

[thor]

Many are duplicates. But the 360's count will suffer from the same inaccuracies. What really matters is the number of ACTIVE PSN users - the number of people with PS3s who regularly play online. This will be considerably smaller than 85%. It would be interesting to see these figures. Anyway, if there are enough people playing the games I love, I'm happy.

[Anon1974]

You asking how many accounts are duped is just as ridiculous as asking how many sales of 360's are actually duplicates, or people who buy just to build modern art towers out of them. The amount of people with multiple PSN accounts is probably similar to the amount people who buy another 360 when theirs dies rather than fixing it for free. Sure some people might do that, but why? It makes no sense and can't possibly be enough to have any kind of impact in the numbers.

[Kleptic]

the other article that failed approval state that Sony's answer for 'active' was monthly used master accounts...I believe you can only have one master account per PS3, but unlimited sub accounts attatched to it...

however you can work around it, by creating sub accounts...then switching out the email and password with another master account...seems pretty pointless though...why would anyone need 2 master accounts, on a single PS3?...I know it happens, but probably relatively little compared to most users...

[White-Sharingan]

"7.6 - How many sales are from red ringed 360s?
most likely less then 1000 because you would have to be pretty stupid to not have it replaced for free lol.

nice try though "

less than 1k? you got to be kidding me LMAO

i bought my 360 in 2006, got busted after 1 year, I had store warranty and they replaced mine with a new one

that counts as two systems sold. After two weeks my second 360 RRoD me and I went back to the store and changed it for a NEW elite

that counts as 3 new systems sold. The damaged systems get sent to MS for repair so it can be sold as used or refurbished, so dint give me that BS of only 1k units

"7.8 - 5 million first year 360 users
They can still get it replaced for free out of warrenty , MS still replaces them for free

i have had my console replaced 4 months out of warrenty no problem.

Its a myth that you are hearing about MS stopping replacements just because its out of the 3 year warrenty "

please give me proof of this, my friend's warranty just expired. Give me a link, photo or video cause I dont think a money hungry corporation wants to give free stuff that easily. Proof or it didnt happen.

[BlackTar187]

but I have 4 PSN accounts

[Blackmoses]

I was gonna some how make sense of this....but it just ain't happening!

I agree....this is gonna end badly!

Note: I do believe they count individual IP addresses the PS3 and 360's have assigned. Each unit has a particular IP address assigned. Counting user accounts would be inaccurate unless they are using master account numbers.

[Consoldtobots]

a long time ago, one can go on the official playstation forums and find this information. They only use master accounts, not sub accounts. I didn't know so many people were not aware of this.

[RedVsBlue]

Does this include the multiple accounts people make to get stuff from other country PSN ? Hmmmmm

[panzafoust]

Idk, but I have 4 different accounts on my PS3, and only 1 on my 360.

[silvacrest]

my bro has 3 live accounts, main, Japanese, guest

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Honestly, this is to be expected. Live costs 50 bucks for 13 months and the PSN is free.

The PS3 has wi-fi, a standard harddrive, a fantastic indi-developer lineup, and exclusives that can't be beat online. Resistance 2 has the best multi-player I've ever seen. Also, it's hard to play LittleBigPlanet without wanting to go online. It's always there to tempt you.

[ElementX]

Crawl back into your Gamestop hole. All you do is talk sh!t about 360. According to your profile you have a LIVE account. At least you could give 360 some compliments sometime. It's not as bad as you make it out to be.

[paskowitz]

Even if it did include multiple accounts how many people actually have more than one account? The mass majority of people just pick up a PS3 make one account and play. I did not make 3 accounts for like a year. Even it is less, say 15mil, that is still great in relation to the amount of actual PS3s sold. The only reasons I got a PS3 were MGS4, GT5 and free online.

[Magic_The_Celt]

Good to know man, lots of PS3 gamers out there to play with online

[Mitch_Cumstein]

lol if you are fooled by these numbers, you simply aren't very smart.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Oh come on! It's Sony!!! They always give the straight numbers!

How dare you question them!?! You only do that for Microsoft!

/sarcasm

[White-Sharingan]

doesnt matter

i have three accounts on my PS3 and I have like 5 accounts on Xbox 360

1 is my real account
another one is the one i created to get 1 free month of xbox live
and the other 3 are created for when we play xbox local multiplayer

for PS3
one is american account
one european and another one for japan

[The Lazy One]

accounts and profiles are different.

If you're doing local multiplayer, you probably just have different profiles. Only accounts can connect to the internet, and only gold accounts can play games online.

Making a silver account for local multiplayer is just dumb, so I'm hoping that's not what you did.

[pickle1234]

Hugely inflated. But you have to take into account the psp. They're also including that in the numbers. Not just the ps3!

[GiantEnemyCrab]

I am not surprised since it's free. Doesn't mean anything to me, there is never a shortage of players on Xbox Live for the games I play.

[Gaara_724]

i don't care about who's better whats better what sells more ect ect all i care about is the game in the end if 360 sells more than ps3 but i like a game on ps3 i will play the ps3 if there was a game i liked on the wii hell i would play my little brothers as long as i like the games i don't care about the statistics

edit

aw i disagree so some one out there only plays games that sell good i guess? or plays a 360 coz it sells more than wii wtf you just shot yourself in the foot if you did disagree because of that you wana know y this means all you play all day/night is the wii and wii fit

[StayHigh]

There a lot of PS3 owners that goes online due to many great games out for us to play..This is year will be better for Sony fans!

[JaggedSac]

The numbers include PSP users as well.

[jcgamer]

MS needs to rethink their online strategy and offering...SOONER than later...

[JaggedSac]

"He also credited the company's online game service, Xbox Live. The company said it now has 17 million Xbox Live subscribers who can use their consoles to find online opponents, download games or watch movies and TV shows. Though many Xbox Live subscribers opt for the free version of the service, Greenberg said that the majority pay $50 a year for the premium service, which includes the ability for Netflix members to view the service's Instant Watch movies and television shows for free."

http://latimesblogs.latimes...

I know right. Only 8.5 million people paying at least $5 a month. Terrible business plan.

[Graphics Whore]

For all you noobs, that means active in games as well, not just having an account you log onto once a month.

[floppyfeet]

It could mean as little as being logged in since the past year

thinking only 3.1 million people tried out home out of 17 million people is ignorant

[Graphics Whore]

Proposing the idea's your thinking is also ignorant, I'm glad we came to a stand still.

How's this for pondering, Microsoft adds SILVER MEMBERS into their total tally, even though they can't play games online or do much at all.

[StayHigh]

Online is free for PS3 owners! more power to us!

[xlg]

"17 million active accounts on the PlayStation network" That's pure BS at its finest !!! I have a 100 List of friends on XboxLive and everyday i have "CONSTANTLY" 42-51 of them online RANDOMLY everyday and only 7 of them appear (offline 20-27 days). How many PS3 friends do you have constantly everyday? Come on don't lie.

[Mike134nl]

Would be interesting to see how many online players are online on the xbox 360 and ps3 at this moment. And not only created an account

[T-Baggins]

It great when Microsoft does something like make online popular in consoles and Sony comes along at makes it even better and for free, thank god for PS3

[Mr PS3]

And For Free you get Plenty of Lag for your $50

[maverick1191]

your bound to get more users on PSN its free but still for a service that charges you (xbox live) to get 17 million members is pritty impessive

[Oner]

The below is in reference to this news article http://www.n4g.com/industry...

How does a

TOTALLY DIFFERENT story

with a

TOTALLY DIFFERENT perspective/view

from a

TOTALLY DIFFERENT website

That ACTUALLY came out BEFORE the other get Failed?....OH I KNOW!! It gets reported as duplicate or fake by biased "gamers" who don't like what they read

But to add an additional answer to the topical question posed of "Why is the PlayStation Network Beating Xbox Live?"

RROD is not being taken into account in ANY numbers, statements or whatever when it comes to M$. Just because M$ has "sold" more doesn't equate to there actually BEING more WORKING consoles out there...

[Syko]

This story is #256831

The other story you are talking about is #256835

This story was submitted first.

[Oner]

MalharP16 has something different to say about that...

http://www.n4g.com/up/Actio...

[Narutone66]

should be shipped, not sold as in still inside the store. While Sony reports sold as in gamer's home and playing them.

[EasilyTheBest]

Microsoft is doing great with Live, you aint got to pay for it if you dont want to.
You have to pay for the PS3s Blu Ray Movie player tho, havent you?...

[tudors]

you can chat with your friends in game or out of game, and locate your friends anytime so as to be able to join the same game without a problem, or private chat then PSN should be free.

[LostChild]

But with little over a half of 360 owners paying for live, I don't see MS looking in the free direction, as often as I would like them too.

[jebarru]

I've played COD4 on 360 for the longest, and I'm now playing on the PS3 version, and guess what? There is no difference between the two. I actually prefer the PS3 version, renaming custom classes and all.

[Rampant]

lol this article made me laugh.

[pickle1234]

you ps3 fanboy are idiots. those numbers are with with psp. Many people have more that one account. If you take into account how many people downloaded home that will tell you something. 3 out of 17million. So stop acting childish. Get xbox live and stop bragging because you have nothing to brag about. If you cant pay 50 bucks a year for online service then you have no business playing games. Nobody with xbox live complains about paying 50 bucks a year except people who ps3 fanboys who pretend to have one and write garbage. What a bunch of jealous kids. Some of your comments resemble somebody with a 10 year old brain. I bet most of these idiotic comments are from kids who are obssesed with their ps3's. They just wanto beleive what sony says. Gullable kids.

[carlos424]

Lets see the actual amount of time spent on line per user. I have both, and download the occasional video or demo from psn, but have yet to actually play a game on line.

[hadouken007]

u buy the 199$ 360 bundle u have to buy all the extras to get online, hence ps3 tag price if not more,.....hmmm they didnt say all that in the commercial!

[PimpDaddy]

So some idiot took the total number of PSN accounts at 17 million and says that 17 million unique PS3 owners go online. Forget the fact that PSN is made up of PS3 and PSP users. Forget the fact that I myself have 2 PSN accounts, and made a third PS2 account for my son when I got him a PSP for Christmas. Oh and yes I have looged in with all 3 within the past year. THE FUD on this site never ends.

I'm not saying that the 17 million XBL users are all unique either. But for an install base of 25 million, and the fact that Microsoft charges for the Gold service. Thats pretty impressive. Especially when you consider they are up against a combined install base between the PS3/PSP of 62 million.

[NaiNaiNai]

"only idiots pay for something that should be free."
i just saw that and laughed. you idiot servers are not free. people online that let you use there servers on PC pay for those servers. so its not free, they can charge you if you want. but you know what else i noticed, all those free servers sure do suck, and they only allow you to play the game. not keep friends send messages, download content, and before you say sony does with the PSN, >.> yea they say they do, let you do it for about 3 weeks then take it off because it costs them to much money. XD you guys are real smart. lets go with free, cause yea we can have all the features for like a month then we get screwed.
-nai-

[EskiJoe]

But I had the impression of Live that it was P2P network. Meaning there are no servers...

p2p: http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[NaiNaiNai]

no servers. yep i guess all those saved files and such done exsists, nope or where your XBL data is stored. guess it just appears, yep guess thats right. oh yea i also guess there must be no such thing as XBL.
-nai-

[hindahouse]

wheres your're "can only keep messages for 3-weeks"come from? I havent deleted messages since i got my PS3, and they are stil there "16.04.07".. not sure where your firgure came from there

[dcbronco]

but could someone tell me if the conclusion was that Microsoft is making millions off of their on-line service. Money that Sony needs.

[Vip3r]

I think the £60 wireless adaptor and £40 Live charge might have something to do with it.

[Bathyj]

Wow

That would make the active users roughly the same amount for both sides.

[lockload]

So we already knwo this number is #PSN# so psp account aswell and the assumption that each one of those accounts is related to a separate ps3 is ridiculous

[baodeus]

@Sony Fanboy:

If you guys think that PSN is as good or surpass the xbox live, then you guys should support sony for doing a good job providing a service to you with some money. Sony is really in need of it right now and more then ever. You want everything to be perfect to your liking without paying a dime for it, that just not how business work. To maintain a business, you need to have an influx of money to support your business. If everything is free, you won't have a business. You don't see that Sony is trying to do everything to get it free for you guys. Using Home for commercial or meeting event to keep making money so that they can maintain it. What next, you guys might start to complain about commercial everywhere in home or something. Support your dam favorite console buy helping them pay a very small and quite affordable fee each month of $3. It will help Sony out quite a bit.

Do you want to work without getting paid so that other can get the service for free? Put your self in their shoes for once. People are working because they need to make money. It is call business. The more money you get, the better it is for everyone. It creates more jobs, more bonuses, better content, frequent update etc......

[rcortesb]

Everyone I know have an xbox because it can play pirate games and that means no online games... this news is not really a surprise for me...

[ElementX]

Your friends must all be losers.

[thehitman]

They talking about percentage not how many.... If people made multiple ps3 accounts that would hurt the numbers not make them better you can only play on-line using 1 account at a time.

[dcbronco]

I think they're talking about registered accounts. Not the number of people playing at one time. Neither Live or PSN could handle that kind of load.

[Helghast Slayer]

Hmm this also raises questions of how much console microsoft has actually sold to consumers not retailers. I smell something very fishy coming from microsoft head office.

[FirstSight]

Xbox 360 = free GAMES!!! Beats Ps3!
"Everyone I know have an xbox because it can play pirate games and that means no online games... this news is not really a surprise for me..."
Not really it's pretty safe:D

[PirateThom]

To all those saying it's just the non-hardcore gamers lowering the 360's numbers... well, once the PS3 captures the less-hardcore players, isn't that the demographic who are more likely to stick a game online if they don't have to pay for it?

[Triniprince1420]

See this is why I laugh at the foolish attempts on Sony's part to make 360 look stupid. Because of this whole % in gamers online, does that change the fact that 360 is destroying the PS3? Nope I didn't think so. Stop posting these dumb ass articles.

[Lord Xire]

I never believe this BS.

I use the PsN and the activity on it does not reflect the numbers Sony feeds to it's fans.

I cannot begin to describe the amount of dead games on the PsN....

Seriously....you could combine the total sales of damn near EVERY big online video game on the Ps3 and it doesn't even reach 17million..

I mean is there a secret cult of millions of people battling it out in Eye of Judgement?

CoD4:MW which is in 4th place on the Xbox Live activity charts has more players online then CoD:WAW on the PsN which on both systems is probably the most played game at this time of 10:00pm on the dot.

Think what you want but in my books PsN #'s are bull.

[ScorponokG1]

ok they say they have 17m active accounts. and the worldwide sales of the ps3 is only 12m. so basically Sony is telling stories to the public. like others have said on here. 17m comes from multiple accounts created on ps3 network. if each console had 1 account created then that means they would have sold 17m and not 12m. which they did not sell that many. here's the link to the worldwide sales data of all nextgen consoles. see for yourself..

http://nexgenwars.com/

besides 360 still has the better online service regardless if you have to pay. at least not every major game that comes out has an broken online link. ps3 online sucks compared to 360..and that is damn true!!

[PirateThom]

You do realise nexgenwars hasn't been updated in about a year and it using a sales algorithm from about a year and a half ago?

[OOG]

and yeah....your a little behind in the time dude... lol

[OOG]

man....with does this news keep coming...this same stuff was here a few months back..... ah well

anyway...psn isnt just the ps3....so the news has nothing to do with comparing a 360 to a ps3 when people also own psps etc ....and the fact psps have sold way more units then the 360 and the ps3..... yes you use the same account but only if you own both....

also the known fact that tons of people have multiple accounts on the ps3 because yes its free...so people can have account to play and suck on games....then make a new one to try and be better...stats suck...lets make another new one.....and again again....... etc which is what i think is what is kind of broken about not having a locked account of some sort.....

Anyway....PSN does not reflect ps3 online numbers and cannot be relevant when comparing the people online on the ps3 compared to the 360 ...........

:P

[OOG]

I think a better stat would be home many hours of online gaming does each network register each month....

I would be interested in seeing about people playing games online and how many hours of gaming each system registers each month or year...I believe that would truly show what online is being used the most....or give and idea of which has more activity....

Only reason I say this is because I dont play on psn often....but if I turn my ps3 on I have it automatically logging me in... so.... Id like to known about people actually playing games.

we could even go a step farther by comparing the total hours logged into CoD4 on the ps3 compared to the total hours logged into cod4 for the 360.. That would be interesting...

[subzero9]

ps3 = =]

[sak500]

Same sony BS faking/exaggerating things.

[OGharryjoysticks]

Games are also made with online features such as multiplayer and co-op. I shouldn't have to pay extra to be allowed to use what game developers are giving me with my game purchase.

[Gun_Senshi]

If XBL had better features then PC GAming Online I would pay.

But I will not pay for something inferor

[Mutley416]

60% of the time it works every time... RonBurgandy-
You can`t argue the XBL is a friendlier and better online gaming network. I`d pay for cross game chat on the PS3...but here`s the thing...some update in the future, The PS3 will have it, and it will be free...60% of the time...lol