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People are always going to try to say 360 is taped out. I don't think it is, but even if it was games could still improve. It's not all about graphics, but about doing everything you can with what your given. They can get more effiicent with how they code things etc...
Agreed. I don't know how much better graphics will get this generation, but I'm sure there's still a little bit of juice to squeeze out of the 360/PS3.
@1.1 Some of my favorite games weren't that impressive graphicly.
The site can't even spell or use proper sentence structure. Their opinion means absolutely nothing to me.
right about graphics not meaning everything. Left 4 Dead is my favorite game this gen, and the graphics weren't anything special. Gameplay will always be the bottom line for me, and if a game is fun but the graphics aren't the best (RB2, L4D, etc.) I'll still play the hell out of it.
If Xbox 360 isn't maxed out, then obviously it can do a game to the calibur of Killzone 2 right? Who am i kidding, of course it can! Where is that game? ---tumbleweed---
I'm just wondering how they're going to top the grpahics (if they will) next generation.
Crysis/Crysis warhead? That's already beyond this generation of consoles.
lol omg guys, red faction maxed out the xbox cus of the PHYSICS, that requires a lot of power. that doesn't mean they cant do better looking games, it just means the box couldn't handle more PHYSICS but I,m 100% sure you'll see better looking games than gears on the xbox because they probably wont have the destructible environments like red faction has. That's y gears can run good with those graphics cus it barely has physics and destructible environments. You have to remember destroyable environments take up a lot of power, it requires A LOT of physics... A LOT.
but when one says 360 is maxed liars you call them get it straight :)
Aha look at all you PS3 fanboys disagreeing with the people that say the 360 isn't maxed out. @1.5, it's up yer ass.
And if it is maxed out? Still good enough potential for good games.
That's an absurd thing to say about the 360. And even if it were true, I wouldn't care. I'd continue buying and buying. Hell, I just got my system last May, finally could afford it.
Why is it absurd? Because you - who has nothing to do with developing a game - don't believe a guy who has hands on experience and actually works in the field? If XBOX can produce games like Mass Effect and Fable, I don't really care if it is maxed out or not but I wouldn't say it is absurd.
If it is maxed out, then PC games (and hopefully the PS3 since it's supposed to be so souped up) will pull away graphically. But companies would still have to invest in the PC editions extra to get the added potential. Not something I really see them doing.
Its not maxed out at all...as the article says it all depends on the engine and developers. Hope Forza 3 gets confirmed soon I loved the forza 2 I hope that this ps3 exclusive is and RPG, an open world one at that.
I'M hoping for an announcement soon!!! Loved Forza2!!! I just hope they keep the same physics engine!!!
and tweak the graphics a bit but most of all I want new tracks! Keep the old ones but add some new ones. btw has any one heard anything about PGR5? Will there be a sequel because I heard a rumor last year that they were done with the PGR series and no new information as to whether or not that is true.
I think the 360 could be peaking as far as performance and pushing graphics out like Heavy Rain mostly due to disk size and its age. Though its player base and Community haven't I think they will be looking towards a new console in the near future because the only shread of hope for the ps3 is to gain users after the xbox has peaked due to the more disk space and graphixxxxx
guess what! Violition, maxed out on the PS3 long ago! they were able to push the 360 a but further than the PS3. So the console to go first, will be the PS3... PS3 has a "lack of Memory" issues... Anything the PS3 can do, the 360 can do better, it just might take a few more disks. lol
'PS3 has a "lack of Memory" issues...' Both consoles have the same amount of memory.
i am sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about. PS3 has only 256 of main memory. The 360 has 512. 512 > 256... Sorry but this is a fact. That is why more can, and will be done on the Xbox. Besides PS3's weak GPU, Sony slipped when it decided to only use 256mb for its main memory. So, so, sorry, but true.
you're just a brainless troll. So GTFO!
That doesn't mean much, I could max a PS3 with BS processes if I wanted to. The art in programming is how to best utilize the resources available. Besides, they're talking about using up memory, which is astoundingly easy to do. Every game probably maxes out the 360's memory. If it didn't, they'd have room for higher resolution textures, and they would bump that up until it WAS maxed.
Yeah, being that they are maxing out the memory and not the cpu/gpu it sounds like the game would likely max out the PS3 aswell considering they both have the same amount of memory...
As far as the architecture goes, putting it into perspective isn't hard, the graphics have basically peaked we might see one more game more powerful than Gears of War 2 but it's not going to be PS3 status. However with that being said some of the greatest games ever made don't have the best graphics, you can't put a cap on imagination and creativity.
The PS3's GPU is inferior to the 360, Graphically speaking the 360 is more powerful. It's the CELL that'll give the PS3 an edge, it is far more capable at things like realistic physics than the 360 is and that's what the PS3 can really excel at in the future.
you said it best bro...bubbles up
wtf froza3 is confirmed there is artwork for the game with Forza 3 logo and its donst look fake at all
The Xbox and PS2 were never theoretically maxed out either. Although the PS3 has more headroom than the 360 neither console will be maxed out this gen too.
I think that developers didn't really even have the proper time with the Original Xbox to really exploit what it was really capable of because Microsoft cut it's life short. However, I do think that some developers came pretty close to maxing out the Playstation 2 last generation. Shadow of the Colossus, Killzone 1, God of War 2, BLACK, and Gran Turismo 4 are just a few games that I think showed what the PS2 was really capable of and pushed the console to it's limit. I think that the Xbox 360's fullest potential will probably be achieved with Alan Wake, Splinter Cell Conviction, or Forza 3.
I can agree with Alan Wake and maybe Splintercell conviction(if it stays exclusive) but a racing game rarely maxes out a console. I would think Gears 3(if it's on 360) will max out the 360.
Racing games graphically tend to push consoles really well.
Rumer Killers: Posting old Articles as New? Repeating that which was already submitted not 5 hours ago or even longer?
maxed out? time to put them on PS3. PS3 has plenty of space and so as BluRay.
Glad to see you know where you belong. At least that's one correct thing you've done.
Maxed out... thats funny.
No too late ps3 is Maxed out. Check this site out Droids: http://www.videogaming247.c...
Lol when the Xbox 360 gets a game that looks as good as Killzone 2 you can say whatever you want, until then you look like an idiot.
One little change and you’re out of memory. When it comes to PlayStation3, there’s less memory to work with. We actually ended up hiring some from Sony to help us make our PS3 version. Fortunately, they are the same. We’ve been able to make sure that PC, 360 and PS3 versions are the same.” that has nothing to do with maxing out the ps3 and if you think your clever bringing up the ps3 is hard to lprogram good job cause no one ever knew that stupid :)
Forza3 is the one game that would make me buy another 360. IMO the Forza series is number 1.
sounds like a hip hop gamer headline
When you have a game that plays as well as gears you can make a silly comment. Cyrsis looks better than Killzone but plays like a dog. Its all about whether the game is good to play. I like Uncharted and although the graphics are good there nothing that couldn't be done on the 360. Don't see what everyone goes on about its graphics really. Killzone has better graphics in my opinion. Like i said though its how they play that matters. I liked uncharted but actually prefered the new Tomb Raider even though the graphics were not as good. Same goes for Left 4 dead over Resistance.
Resistance 2 and MGS4 play as well as Gears 2, although Gears 2 is the console graphics king, I will admit.
Yeaaahhh...am I the only person that actually read the quote that's referring to the 360 being "maxed out"? Did anyone notice that he specifically said that they couldn't put another vehicle into the world because it would "blow the memory"? Lets contemplate that. Blow. The. MEMORY. Not the GPU, not the processor, but the Memory. How much Memory does the 360 have? 512Mb. How much memory does the PS3 have? 512Mb (2x256Mb). In other words, the only thing this game Maxed out was the only thing the PS3 and 360 actually have in common, so anyone here that's claiming the PS3 is going to "pull away" obviously didn't even read the bloody article. Sorry guys, but this year is going to be another closely matched one and I'm glad of it, because it means both consoles will be better overall.
Man, I dont know what kind of bait you are using... but you got me. 512MB of RAM is the common number used by both systems. What you failed to mention is that half of the PS3 ram is like 4 times faster than the RAM used in the xbox. You also failed to mention that the cell chip can take heavy burdens off of the RAM in the PS3 by using the SPU's. The cell chip can also produce graphics... The PS3 is a very advanced piece of hardware that is only now being fully understood by many years of learning to program it and millions of dollars. Sure, Sony could have used DVD and a Quad/Dual core processor and went along the grain of all current PC's. It would of saved money and we would of had our $199.00 PS3. But, I for one would still be using my PC for gaming if this was the case. Sony innovates. They take chances by trying new things, new technology and hit or miss they should be commended for trying. But no, they get bashed and people throw hissy fits about Blu-ray trojan horses and all this bull. I love technology and I love how Sony always tries to push it with their products. Not to mention everything they make is quality. Sure, it would be nice if Sony products were cheaper. I will like EVERYTHING to be cheaper. But you get what you pay for. You buy cheap and you get cheap. I could keep going but I will let Sony's exclusive games this year do the rest of the talking.
What are you even talking about? Yes, the RAM is faster, but that doesn't mean it can somehow hold more information, 512Mb is 512Mb. This is what he was referring to when he said "blow the RAM". He wasn't stating that somehow the RAM wasn't fast enough to handle another vehicle, but simply that another Vehicle would take up too much space and max out the RAM, which on a console is a VERY BAD THING. You're probably used to a PC, where you can pretty much treat it like you've got unlimited RAM since when RAM runs out, a pagefile can be used, but on consoles this is NOT the case, once you run out of Memory, your system/game will crash, no exceptions. But this, this is sheer brilliance: "the cell chip can take heavy burdens off of the RAM in the PS3 by using the SPU's" Seriously...what are you even talking about? How on earth is a co-processor going to make the memory work any better? That's like saying a PC with a 15Ghz Core 2 Quad with 512Mb of RAM is going to be faster than a normal 2.5Ghz Core 2 Quad with 1Gb or RAM. It just doesn't make sense no matter what way you spin it, memory doesn't suddenly get faster or hold more information just because a processor can calculate it faster. I don't know how you imagine RAM is used, but's not like...some temporary storage that gets filled up with information that's then erased as the CPU processes it. When something is loaded into Memory, it stays there until it's not needed (or rather, until the game/application tells the system it's not needed).
Hey you beat me to it as ive only just read this article and was going to say that the article said "We’ve got it to the point where we can’t even put an extra vehicle into a world, because it’ll blow the memory" and "it may actually max out the 360 due to memory issues". So my question was going to be what the problem was with memory as if its a capacity problem then that would also apply to the PS3 or is it a speed issue?
MGS4 was great. Will give you that. Very good game indeed. Great story. And i did prefer Resistance to Halo3.
L4D co-op was pretty fun but it lacked a good SP experience that Resistance 2 has, so for me(I like more story driven games) Resistance 2 was a better experience than L4D, even though the Resistance story isn't something that's gonna win an oscar.
The 360 isn't really maxed out.... The Unreal engine is and the only developer who can get the most out of it, is EPIC of course. MS needs its own engine (which is in development) so developers can have the option of developing with a great engine instead of developing another game on the unreal engine.
The Capcom IT framework engine pushes both consoles past the current graphics of released games(Gears 2 and MGS4), look at RE5
I agree with you... I'm just stating that the Unreal Engine is maxed out and most of the games developed by it, turn out looking like family. Some third Party developers should have other options instead of opting for the Unreal engine because it's available and friendly.
smaller 3rd party devs should have other options such as a base MS engine but the larger ones usually create their own inhouse engine or they should because I've only seen 1 3rd party dev use UE3 properly and that was 2k with Bioshock.
I know that big companies like Capcom use their propietary engine, but even EA used the Unreal Engine. There are a lot of games which have being developed with the Unreal Engine 3 this generation. check Unreal Engine 3 list of games on the link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
About 4 times a year rumors start to pop up about consoles being maxed out. They're so untrue. People will always find way to manipulate to system to squeeze more out of it. People are still finding new secrets to the snes to get more out of it. I doubt if the 360 has revealed its secrets just yet.
That's something that worries me. When I played Gears I was excited. It was incredible, played like a dream, looked amazing and I thought "Things are going to be different now." Each game from here on in will continue to push the envelope. That was in 2006. I waited. I waited. Halo came out. Bioshock came out. They were good, but nothing topped Gears. 2 years went by and finally Gears 2 came out, and it looked and ran a little better. Again, it was good but I've always been disappointed that the games leveled off on the 360. On the PS2, there's no comparison between the games that came out the first couple of years and what came out later. God of War II put a lot of "next gen" games to shame in 2007. PS3 games seem to be getting better all the time. From Resistance to Uncharted to MGS4 to Killzone and Heavy Rain - each crop of games seems to get better and better. That's not happening with the 360 and I'm disappointed. I've spent over $900 between the console, extended warrantie, controllers, XBL, charge and play kits, more charge kits, wi-fi and if I sold it tomorrow on Ebay I'd be lucky to get $150. So I sit back and hope that something amazing is lurking right around the corner for the 360 - but I've lost faith. I don't think that game is coming for the 360 this gen.
Yeah single player was better in Resistance. Halos was pretty poor by the way i thought compared to the first one. And it (Resistance) is a good game i guess i just prefer shooting zombies. Each to there own.
All Viotlition mentions is they have maxed the memory. They did not mention GPU or CPU. Anyway. Performance has more to do with programming techniques
If people actually believe that the 360 is already maxed out than you my friends are plain stupid. Games like Doom 3 and Chronicles of Riddick came near the end of the original Xbox's lifecycle and completely blew every game before it in graphics.
And so are all of the devs who have said it! So are all of the devs who have stated their PS3 game COULD NOT run on the 360. Firstknight, I am not trying to fight or flame... but I am sure the 360 has a little juice left in it. I dont think it is enough to compete graphically anymore. It started with games like Heavenly Sword throwing 100's of enemies at you. The graphics kept moving on with R&C Pixar likeness... Uncharted's graphic superiority. Games like MGS and GT5:P Can not be found on the 360. Unlike you, Firstknight I have actually played the other machine. Ive SEEN it eat gears of war like a hungry hooker after a gang bang and spit it out unplayable. You guys love this machine... god bless ya. But I cant be fooled and not to sound like a broken record, Sony will prove once and for all to all of you non-believers that the PS3 is a graphical powerhouse that only high end $3000.00 computers can compete with.
just complete ignorance.
"Firstknight, I am not trying to fight or flame... " then this "PS3 is a graphical powerhouse that only high end $3000.00 computers can compete with" Right.....
360 aint maxed out same goes for ps3 pretty good lineups this new year
I've said it before, but it sounds like a problem with Volition, not the hardware. I hope they don't feel as though they are the ones setting the bar with the games they've developed, because that's hardly the case. If they're hitting a wall then they need to show their creativity and get the job done. If they can't push it any more perhaps it's the studio that's reached its limit.
The xbox 360 has not been maxed out !! what a fckin retard guy at the voltion who said that the xbox 360 had been maxed out, fckin retard !.. Yeah probaly disk space !! But not the xbox 360 hardware !! And xbox 360 CAN handle killzone 2, but it would require multi disk probably
Then where is the Killzone 2 like game for the 360? HM? If the 360 can do Killzone 2 then where are the games that look THAT good? They had 1 year headstart and the only thing they can show is the unreal engine....on TOP OF THAT, the 360 is suppose to be easy to develop for....so where are the the games? Hm? Your dumb.
3 years old the xbox 360 is at least that. Can you imagine trying to play Crysis on a 3 year old pc ??. It's just found it's limit now, as will the ps3 very soon. Things move on and as the consoles aren't upgradeable thats what happens. Just stick with the great games as they are on consoles, or get a gaming pc.
Everything has its limits... I agree. The thing with the PS3 is, its a new way to code and people are still figuring it out. I dont think that is going to change in the next year or two. Devs have been programming for machines just like the 360 for a couple years before xbox 360 came out. Think about it... the best think for the Xbox is UE3 which IMO is disgusting.
so basicly Violition claimed they maxed out the memory for the 360. thats why they are looking to the new xbox to come out. hum.. last time i checked. deosn't the ps3 have less memory then the 360. so wouldn't the ps3 been maxed out. i mean 512 is more the 256. so Violition s also looking to the new ps4. right. edit:yes th ps3 has 512mb of memory also. but the ps3 memory is split. while the 360 has 512mb of unified memory. which helps the dev's do more with the game.without the dev's feeling bottle-necked. @Pennywise i had a feeling you or another fanboy was going to get upset about my comment. but had you waited a couple of seconds. you would have see me explain that the ps3 has 516mb of memory. but it's split. which bottle-neck the dev's from doing more with the ps3.i think you need to chill dude. and stop making yourself look silly. ok @Jamaicangmr. so your saying that john carmack is was talking out his @zz. when he said that ps3 lacks unified memory. because the memory in the ps3 is split. heres a link to back up my commet. ok. http://www.gamesman.co.nz/n...