How Sony inadvertently helped a competitor and lost position in the videogame market.
What would you do without blatantly copying Sony, Microsoft, eh?
Everyone copies everyone to such an extent, it's not even a plausible argument in the world of gaming.
This is what Microsoft does.hire-steal-fire-sell. They have no shame.Which is exactly why they are on top,eating up everyone else.
Do you then believe that Sony are corporate saints, and have never done anything bad?? All large corporations have done underhanded dealings to get where they are now.
One can also say that Sony lack the foresight to protect their investment and MS made some very smart business moves. I think the funniest part is MS received their chip 6 weeks prior to Sony. This mirrors the PS3 so far, delays after delays with release of PS3 and then Home. Sounds like Sony has great ideas, but don't execute well. I'm interrested in reading this book, just to see how the story went about.
good read..to bad for Sony...o sales are down this year because there wasn't a recession last year...every thing considered expensive suffered because people went for the ladder...expensive things tend to not sell in a weak economy...simple as that.
sony might as well line up on the street with a tin cup because its over. Jesus, with all the PS3 hate going on these days, you would think NO ONE had ever bought the system to begin with.
FUD for the day? :D
Ya, BIG BOSS has seen a lot for one day. And it is only 3 AM here.
I don't like this one bit.
Oh, no, no, no...Its more about how Microsoft technically stole parts of the Cell. Leaving the 360 with a incomplete Cell because IBM sold off technology, hence probably why the 360 has been so unreliable and the components seem so 'chucked together' and on the whole, rushed in production. I would not be suprised to see another book in the near future how Microsoft spends most its income from XBL to bribe media and backhand developers. "Mr. Shippy says that he felt "contaminated" as he sat down with the Microsoft engineers, helping them to sketch out their architectural requirements with lessons learned from his earlier work on Playstation." 'Contaminated', odd choice of wording, eh?
what a cheap and disgusting business move on microsoft's part. any true gamers supporting such sleazy tactics with the purchase of an xbox should be ashamed. this is capitalism at its worst
I love Microsoft.
Really now? You do remember the Dreamcast right? Know what killed it? The ps2. Did it do it... "legitimately"? Ha, yeah right. If I'm not mistaken shady business practices are done by all companies, even in the world of gaming. We can name countless times each company has done something underhanded can't we? So no company is a saint. So any "true gamer" should support the games, not the companies who create the system you play them on. Well at least based on your sanctimonious tone and view of capitalism. @below Is that comment meant for me? I'm not sure you got my own comment, I'm merely replying to the original repliers opinion about MS and it's "shady tactics".
Uh, the PS2 was generally bought more due to the DVD drive, nothing to do with adapted chip sets of existing technology in the making from the same company for another company with pretty the same purpose for the technology.
That was Microsoft's fault too. They pulled the plug on Sega's online service only 5 years into a 10 year contract. They then proceeded to direct that service into what is now Xbox Live. ...and you people think Microsoft is God.
"...and you people think Microsoft is God." No I don't. And please post Links if your going to act like a smarty pants. Otherwise it's just claims and clutter. "sega announced they would discontinue the service" http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... Who finally pulled the plug? http://www.shacknews.com/on...
"The result was that Sony's R&D money was spent creating a component for Microsoft to use against it." WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
I advise you all to not respond to the comment before mine. And you all better listen because BIG BOSS is always right. How did the mainstream media get their hands on the NOV. PS3 sales anyway? They didn't give a $H!t all other 11 months of the year where the PS3 improved. Why do they care now? So the PS3 goes down in one month and they are all over it? The same thing happened to MS one month at least, and I think nintendo as well early in the year. Sorry guys, I just have to say all this, it makes no sense to me. What does the media gain from this stuff any way? Check out shadow man's comment in the gamer zone. Calm down kid. Too ecstatic.
The lesson, lost on Mr. Shippy and Ms. Phipps, is that technical supremacy divorced from sound strategic vision is no virtue. It can even end up in disaster. The lesson, lost on Mr. Shippy and Ms. Phipps so has the PS3 not sold more then its 1st year? Is it not selling at a faster pace then the 360 in its 2nd year? i dont like when the author takes its on himself to call something a disaster when if you look at the numbers the PS3 is on the pace Sony set for it a year ago! Just wait a couple years when it hits mass market price!
The way I actually read it is that the 360 wouldn't exist (as we know it) if it wasn't for the development of the Cell and all of Sony's future-proofing would of worked without a hitch.
Six months ago I would have agreed with everything you just said. But come on dude, its pretty clear by now that the PS3 is getting crushed. Its third place for the PS3. Killzone 2 won't save it. Heavy Rain sure as hell won't save it. But as long as it survives and doesn't pull a dreamcast, who cares how much it sells?
why are people blaming ms? to me it sounds like IBM are the one who ripped off Sony for selling parts of the cell, all MS did was ask for a new chip for the x360, IBM did the rest
Xbox practically invented online for consoles to a level in which SONY could never imagine, oh wait gamer points= trophies, check in game dash= in game xmb check cross game invite= Willing to bet in progress for SONY check In game music= Opps MS actually made sure SONY cant copy all of their work, so developers have now been alerted its allowed, CHECK And to think I dont own an xbox or ps system right now, but spouting off at the mouth as if SONY hasnt been one arogant a$$ company before they got kicked in the teeth, and havent stole ideas, and MS is just as guilty and so is Nin In the end they are all business with people at the top worried about shares, NOT YOU
At least someone has a clear head here. I mean, heck I'd love if a company was all morales and in some good samaritan public view. But that's unrealistic and to be honest, it'd be a little boring. Not too mention some of the greatest games have come out of "underhanded" business. Like I said, we should be loyal to the games. Feeling sorry or mad at a business company that deals with currency is just weird.
Is an example of MS at their "Best." Inadvertently gaining an advantage from a competitor who they're trying to supplant in their field. Giving an example of why corporate innovation has become stifled since they never return the favor. More than not, they'll actively shut the door behind them once they do benefit from some else's work.
I currently reading the book at amazon it been a while since I been this excited for a book. http://www.amazon.com/gp/re...
How funny and willing you are to take note on MS however not willing to acknowledge their (SONYs) duplication of almost all of LIVEs features, un canning your ability to stay so one porch fenced about a topic, clean indeed my poor soul to be so wrapped up and on one companies side as if all their CEOs dont sit a top and laugh at the average consumers. I loved SONY arrogance in, that quote from reeves they love us so much even without launch titles they will buy our system yada yada, kick in the teeth and an economy later, oh thier buying alright, their buying the Wii....
Forrome has made about 40 comments within 28 days. So every thread? That's highly unlikely. And calling someone an xbot over that is premature isn't it? This article is intended to make people think, wow Microsoft is a copycat and Sony is purely innovated.... really? I'm quite sure Nintendo might have a word or two about that with Sony, and vice versa for all systems.
so sony is like the father of xbox??? lol
ROFL...and Nintendo is the daddy of the play station....no, really. funny circle huh
Since when is the processor in the 360 anything like a cell? The whole problem with the PS3 is that its so hard to program for, mostly because of the cell. The 360 is easy to program for, because its so much like a PC. What the hell?
Actually, many developers have come out and stated that the "hard to program for" environment of the PS3 is way overblown, so really your whole post was rather pointless...
Yep MS Plays Fools alright...Over 20 million of them!!!
"Everybody plays the fool... no exception to the rule". :)
The fool they do play indeed.
A sad violin plays in the background.
sony still got the better end of the stick.i'm surprised toshiba didn't have a hand in the cookie jar since they were part of the alliance and wanted hd-dvd to win over bluray. (IBM,sony,toshiba)-cell creators (microsoft,IBM)-360 chip makers (microsoft,toshiba)-HD-dvd supportors (sony and others that were not IBM,toshiba or microsoft)-bluray see any reoccuring names that opposed sony? but anyhow,sony got the best processor out on the market.and it will slowly over the years,show it's true form.right now,we just see just glimpses of power. which system and processor supports cancer research? which system and processor helped in studying blackholes? which system and processor was capable of cracking verisign codes? which system and processor is being used by the military? which system and processor can stream multiple HD streams simultaneously? which system and processor can link together with other cells and create a super computer? which system and processor is in the guiness book of world records? which system and processor can play bluray movies without a hitch? which system and processor can produce games like killzone2,motorstorm,gt5,heavy rain,etc,that have no comparison on the competing systems? WHICH SYSTEM IS NOT DOING THE ABOVE LIKE PS3 IS CAPABLE OF DOING? i could go on and on and on.but the FACTS and PROOF is right there for all to see.even if sony helped microsoft or microsoft was shady to get their chips first,microsoft still f#cked themselves over with RROD. still to this day,sony leads in forward innovation and future thinking. microsoft would not have had dvd without sony pushing it first. microsoft would not have their button setup without sony doing it first. microsoft would not have added 1080p support without sony. microsoft would not have had hd-dvd as an add-on without sony pushing bluray. microsoft would not have had USB support without sony using it for the orignal ps2. microsoft would not have had a hard drive if sony didn't think of adding it to the orignal ps2's bay in the back. microsoft would not have added hdmi without sony supporting it first. microsoft would not have had the idea of downloads of content to hard drive without sony thinking it up first for ps2,but failed and brought their idea to ps3 because FFxi didn't push the ps'2 hard drive. microsoft would not have had games like singstar,buzz,gt5,eyetoy games,etc,without sony thinking it up first. I COULD KEEP GOING.AND SEE ABOVE,NOT ONE THING SONY COPIED FROM NINTENDO. sony is not worried.sony is not failing.sony will do fine as long as the economy is fine.the sony fud(check my previous posts on 360 fud spreaders doing their thing well into the new year.i predicted it long ago.and as we see,multiple FUD articles run rampant without ANY mods doing anything but laughing all the way to the bank from multiple clicks on N$G....oops...n4g. apocalypse...................
"which system and processor is in the guiness book of world records?" You can't be serious... right? @Below Alright if you say so, but it couldn't hurt to be a little easier on the eyes.
Actually, it appears as if he is. Sorry it hurts a little to read that post, littletad, but *most* of what he says is still valid. @ above: Yeah, the formatting and structure is a little whack, but oh well...
which system and processor is now in LAST PLACE?
Which COMPANY is in last place? 1st Nintendo = Wii & DS 2nd Sony = PSP, PS2 & PS3 3rd M$ = 360 That is what REALLY matters...but you won't admit that right? I know you won't even acknowledge it as absolute FACT. Open your eyes & shut your mouths because you just don't want to hear the truth.
none of that would exist without the game industry saving Nintendo Entertainment System. Learn your history, this goes way back before you were even born. NES
i love how this article is about this generations processors and game consoles and comment 14.4 throws in sony's last generation consoles in order to get it to 2nd place...some people have a hard time letting go of the past..this generation it is a FACT that the wii is in first place, xbox360 in second place, and playstation3 is in third place i'm sure there are going to be a bunch of disagrees on my comment for stating a fact...that's how this website seems to work now..throw a proven fact out there for people and they will disagree with you more...make up some sort of absurd comment and the whole community agrees
What a bunch of MORONS...so just because YOU think it doesn't matter it doesn't apply? Last I checked there is more to SONY & NINTENDO than 1 console. The PS2 as a console is still selling and selling LOTS OF GAMES as well. But keep trying though, no matter how you try and spin it the fact is what I said is REALITY!
if your talking about COMPANIES in general, like you were in the post above, then you need to include all their assets. Including all of Sonys electronic and multimedia divisions. Then, watch them cower in front of MS's money pile.
Funny. I thought we where talking about GAMING CONSOLES...it never ends how you "certain types" just love to TRY and change the subject all the time to fit some BS misinformation when you get proven wrong. It's okay to include the DS & Wii when talking about Nintendo but it's "wrong" to do the same for Sony? Whatever. It's not even worth it to try and explain things to people WHO JUST DON'T GET IT.
Maybe people would heed your advice about sticking to "gaming consoles" if you stopped posting imaginary losses regarding Vista, Zune and the original Xbox at every opportunity. http://www.n4g.com/NewsPend... http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-... ad infinitum...
LOL! Aawww look, someone doesn't like the truth. Whatever. The really funny thing is how in BOTH of those links YOU provide I was actually REPLYING to people who are known for posting misinformation and STARTED the BS first (and again here as well...amazing isn't it?!) Plus I never said ANYTHING about Zune, Vista etc. in THIS thread. Nice way to try and change subjects but again it won't work. What you said about me actually helps prove what I said better than the other way around. Which bring me to one little observation...why is it you never go after the ones who ACTUALLY start the issue but instead come after me? Makes one think, huh...;) Edit: How's that "ignore button" working out for you....Oh that's right :rollseyes: I guess you didn't learn the first time around.
What truth? the undeniable fact that sony isnt worth HALF of what MS is? Yeah i imagine that hurts your feelings, so, I apologize. But sticking to GAME CONSOLES, the PS2 is old news buddy---try sticking with this generation. The 360 is beating the PS3. The Wii is beating them both. MS doesn't have a handheld, so they have to sit that dance out. But Nintendo does. And its dancing circles around the PSP. If unfortunate that MS doesn't have a handheld....maybe they figured going up against the DS was a bad idea this Gen. I mean, the PSP is all kinds of advanced, and goodlooking and its getting it a$$ stomped.
There have ben arrogant moves by both Sony AND MS. The thing is that I don't think either Sony or Nintendo have ever sold us(gamers)a knowingly unfit console just to get a jump on the competition then bought off developers with our cash while we were stuck in the return/break/return cycle with our 360's so the competition had less exclusives when it arrived with working hardware. I learned my lesson here-took me six returns, mind-and that's what will people do to us next gen if we let MS get away with this scott free? I admit that Sony and Nintendo are no saints and that this is all business but I really don't accept that any console manufacturer has ever treated us so badly just to turn a quick one as MS have with the 360. Maybe I'm coloured by my experience but I'm not alone in suffering RROD and other breakdowns at the hands of a company who knew the problems when they first shipped. If Sony were a US company would the US media side with the manufacturers of the faulty hardware? I think not and it will be us gamers that pay the price next gen if MS are allowed a free run. Thankfully the reports of the PS3's demise are silly given the install base it already has(which will get bigger in any case and outside the US it's doing better)and I'm sure we'll still have Sony next gen but some of the things MS do are stunning. I accept how arrogant Sony were before launch and they payed with a slow atart- so when will MS pay?
Will it ever end?
No. Well, at least not until Sony drops the price of the PS3 to 299 or lower...
As a socialist I must say that shame on you IBM and MS! :P
why not just shame on IBM. MSFT went to IBM to build a chip for the 360 they didn't know IBM would play both sides of the fence and take tech from the cell and incorporate in the 360 chip. I'm not here to defend MSFT, but based on the article they had nothing to do with this. yet they are somehow being blamed alongside IBM????
this article reaffirms this fact- Microsoft are run by thieves.
You Guy's want to Know why Sony is getting there @#$ handed to them now ? Sony was number 1 there was no Real competition but now you have Zymosan witch is number 1 in TV's . Microsoft is no Joke, they are a Powerful Company.Even Sharp is giving them a run for there money.Tech made Sony and it can Break Sony .They can't keep thinking there the Best and We can charge you any Price they Wish.That time is Long gone.
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