Wedbush Morgan's Michael Pachter just put out his US sales estimates for November, predicting a landslide victory for Wii. "We estimate sell-through of 1,400,000 Wii, 800,000 Xbox 360 and 400,000 PS3 consoles," he said.
Wow Wii is kicking some @$$ and the new price drop for the 360 is doing wonders for MS this holiday season, Sony is getting mutilated thanks to there price once again... "Brother, I'm a whole different game from Liquid."
lol. I'll wait for the NPDs.
Why wait? The numbers may be off, but the order in which the consoles are listed will be the same. Wii first,PS3 last.
I don't know if you guys are used to talking to fanboys or if you just are fanboys. So Capt, you mean to tell me that it's not a shock that a system appealing to the casuals would sell the most followed by a system that's 200 bucks cheaper than it's competition? Wow. You should have your own predictions article. I'm well aware that Sony will probably sell the least of the three. That was not my point. The numbers are what I was aiming at. Sheesh.
lol. So sayeth the person with so much knowledge about Sony's internal financial structure or goals. I think that if the PS3 is only outsold 2x1 whilst being 200 bucks more expensive than 360 AND while the country (USA) is in a recession, then hey...it's not that bad. In fact, maybe not bad at all.
/08 PS3= $399.99/ 400k units sold 360= $199.99/ 800k units sold /09 PS3= $299.99/ 1.2million units sold 360= $199.99/ 600k units sold Makes sense to me... edit: doesn't make sense to y'all?
your wrong PS2 will be in last
"Reviews and opinions on "quality" mean sh!t if your not actually going to spend your money to actually play the game" I gotta partly agree with Omega. There's alot of fanboys that come and cheer on the system that they own and say "yay AAA!" and all that other BS...but support and buy the damn game too if you like it so much and appreciate the effort the devs gave for the game. I know some people might complain about money, but the same could be said about music that's easily downloadable for free...if you truly like the album then buy it and give the artist their props. On the other hand, it seems like quality doesn't even matter this gen anymore since flawed games totally have been getting overlooked while great games get looked at with a microscoped and journalists just make something up and convince other people to not buy a product without even trying it out first (even you can agree with this). "They said the game runs at 59fps so I wont be buying it"...have you played it? That 1 second of frame loss is really going to mess up your gaming experience?? So AAA, exclusive, DLC, resolution, frametear, anti-aliasing: so many factors have scrambled the meaning of the word quality that fun factor is thrown out the window.
it's usually around the 14th, but anyone know the actual date?
Hahahahha Sony is getting b*tch slapped by 2 awesome consoles.
yes they certainly are
thats really dam good PP unless you think the 360 sold 800,000 Elites!!!!!!!! we both know thats not true they sold 600,000 arcade with 200,000 pro's anyway funny to think how involed PP and other polesmokingfanboys are when it comes to sales. If the PS3 was selling at 199 it would have sales higher then the Wii i guess MS lied again huh PP?!?!?! Thats no 3:1 Thats really impressive for Sony. 200,000 a month is the bench mark for a good month! 360 didnt see 200,000 till they started selling at 199! hahahahahahaha Man this game is going to be over when Sony drops the PS3 to $300!
What fancies me is that LBP and Resistance 2 didn't even create a dent in the overall lead of the 360. Not only that but the 360 is having the best sales ever. Oh well I guess sony fans have to start naming games from next year that supposedly will crush the 360.
it's only the prediction of a guy that's wrong 90% of the time.
you have shares with microsoft, right?
"Oh well I guess sony fans have to start naming games from next year that supposedly will crush the 360" Yep im think a feel a bit of deja vu coming on lol
The 360 can crush the PS3 in sales, but it can NEVER crush the PS3 in quality and exclusives.... So you just keep watching the numbers. Oh and speaking of numbers, keep track of the multiple discs you get with certain games. Keep track of the number of dollars you spend for playing games online too. I am so sick of you and people like you.
Knight...does sales make a game great? Answer this question, if you're man enough to answer it. You have been picking on Little Big Planet since day one...and I do mean day one. That's very cowardly on your part. Disagrees, nice. The best defense is disagrees instead of answering the question directly.
"does sales make a game great?" Well sales do make a game great actually because they are a clear indication that poeple want to play it. Sure games like Wii Fit sell a lot and YOU may not think its great but the millions of grannies and grandads are enjoying it and isnt that enough to make it great? LBP may of reviewed well which makes a lot of the gaming community see it as a great game but the fact that barely anyone brought it shows that its not as appealing as reviews state which makes it not so great after all Just remember: Reviews = opinion Sales = Solid evidence of what people WANT to play
"Well sales do make a game great actually because they are a clear indication that poeple want to play it. Sure games like Wii Fit sell a lot and YOU may not think its great but the millions of grannies and grandads are enjoying it and isnt that enough to make it great?" No, a great game is when the person experiences the game for themselves and enjoy it instead of worrying about sales. Little Big Planet will sell overtime. That doesn't make the game a flop. "LBP may of reviewed well which makes a lot of the gaming community see it as a great game but the fact that barely anyone brought it shows that its not as appealing as reviews state which makes it not so great after all" Barely anyone bought it? So you're implying that only ten people bought it? I'm pretty sure the game is approaching a million sales, which isn't bad for a new IP from a developer that's barely known in the gaming industry. Once again, can someone show me a game that Media Molecule has done besides Little Big Planet? "Just remember: Reviews = opinion Sales = Solid evidence of what people WANT to play" ...No Reviews=Opinions Sales= Does not matter to someone if they've played it and it's a great game.
"No, a great game is when the person experiences the game for themselves and enjoy" And the only way they can do that is by.........you guessed it (or maybe not) BUYING IT!!!! So now your blaming LBP sales on MM not being a big company lol, personally i would of thought that the fact that it was published by Sony was enough to make it famous but clearly i was wrong. Also you bring in the fact thats its a new IP, what about Gears of War then eh?
Well actually omega4 does make a good point.Lets take Matrix the movie as an example, that movie was torn apart by movie critics but what happened?The movie was released to garner much praise from consumers. So now should we listen to the consumers that loved the movie? or the so called industry professionals that tore the movie apart?At the end of the day, it just leads credence to the notion that reviews are just an opinion and it's up to you to agree with it or not but at the end of the day it is not fact. EDIT: Juuken how is my example horrible?Would you care to elaborate,enlighten or educate me a bit more on the subject matter.
People like you Omega give me a headache. Let me explain this in words even a baby can understand. This is the first game Media Molecule has *ever* done and for their first game, they did a pretty good job despite the delays. You know, your buddies don't like hearing logical comments so they slam disagree buttons as if it's going to make a difference or something. Gears of War is a third person shooter. Little Big Planet is not. Little Big Planet is a platformer. Gears of War is not. Once again, sales do not make a game great. The quality is what makes a game great. I don't know why you 360 fans are so worried about LBP sales when a couple of overzealous PS3 fans said it would sell well. green: That's a horrible example to begin with. Little Big Planet is still selling. The sales haven't stopped. I'll go as far as to say that the delay did hurt sales and people are most likely waiting until Christmas to buy the game. But whatever. My comments mean nothing, does it?
"Once again, sales do not make a game great." They don't make it great. They show that it is great. If the game is great it will sell well. If it sucks nobody is going to buy it. Is this concept to difficult for you Stansfield?
"They don't make it great. They show that it is great. If the game is great it will sell well. If it sucks nobody is going to buy it. Is this concept to difficult for you Stansfield?" And it will sell well overtime. Is that hard to understand? Or are you one of those people who thought it will sell a million in one day and then scream flop when it didn't? And the name calling is unnecessary.
"Once again, sales do not make a game great. The quality is what makes a game great." What is "quality" though?? seriously! Its just an opinion nothing more, how do you not understand that!!! What you see as quality someone else could see as utter crap, sales on the other hand are a CLEAR AND SOLID indication that the game is great Reviews and opinions on "quality" mean sh!t if your not actually going to spend your money to actually play the game EDIT: "And it will sell well overtime" http://www.computerandvideo... "but a delayed release set in motion a trail of disaster that most recently saw the game enter the chart at No4, before slipping to No19, then No24, and most recently No32. A clear game of the year contender and the best PS3 game yet, we reckon, but not performing like the system seller Sony was hoping for". Sell well over time?? Doesnt look that way
"What is "quality" though?? seriously! Its just an opinion nothing more, how do you not understand that!!!" What the hell are you talking about? IMO I think LBP is a quality game. I have seen many people play this game on a daily basis whenever I play it. Quality, to me is when someone puts time and effort into making the game what it is. I'm sure people would agree with me on this. "What you see as quality someone else could see as utter crap, sales on the other hand are a CLEAR AND SOLID indication that the game is great" Congratulations Omega, you missed my point. Read above before you have a heartattack. "Reviews and opinions on "quality" mean sh!t if your not actually going to spend your money to actually play the game" You once again have no idea what you're talking about. You completely missed the point I was trying to make. Why should sales matter to someone who has the game and *is* playing it if they're enjoying it? Amswer that question Omega. Because, you know...I think you really wanted this game to fail. ...And I stand corrected. You honestly wanted the game to fail. That link means nothing to me because 1. You're not taking into account sales overall, and 2. Even a game like Halo 3 is still selling. What makes you think LBP won't sell overtime? You know what? I'm done with this. LBP IS A FLOP. Happy now? Because that's what you obviously wanted to hear.
And all you can say is LBP is not selling well??? Read the article! The Wii is wipping both consoles! The 360 is cheaper than the Wii and cannot even outsell it in the U.S.A!!! Now, that's what I call a major problem. Not the fact that one game doesn't sell on one console...
sales do not indicate a quality game. if sales did indicate a quality game then all the rubbish movies licened games would be 10/10 games. ive bought plenty of games that are rubbish and by your logic i made that game a little bit more better because i bought it. look at all the shovelware games on the wii that sell hundreds of thousands and are coplete and utter toss. anyway as for little big planet, the ps3 is at the wrong price point for it to sell well. if the ps3 was sellin for lower then the ps3 would have more of the casual crowd playin their system and lbp would appeal to them. even thou lbp isnt just a game for casual gamer, sony have marketed it as a casual game. lbp will pick up a little bit when ps3 as more of a casual crowd when it hits the £200 mark.
This whole lbp not selling thing is ridiculous. There is a level that 900 thousand people have played,and not everyone with the game has played that level and everyone with the game dosnt have an internet connection. I mean the game is a new ip,a casual game(from a certain point of view) on a system that cost 400 dollars and hasn't even been out for two months. How fast do you expect it to sell lol.
If a game sells really well, it is probably a great game. Look at games that sell over 1 million copies, and only a few of them aren't really that good. (I don't think any movie games have sold that well...) That said, a game that doesn't sell well can still be considered great. Phantom Dust was one of the best games released on the Xbox, and is one of the only original xbox titles i'd still go back and play (I would a lot more if I had my old saves). I don't know many people who were really upset with the way that game played. It had pretty crappy sales after it had it's price upped from 25 to 50 bucks (sold really well at 25). I don't think it ever broke into the top 20 maybe not even 50. Still a great game.
Toys will sell more all the time. Edit: Well thats is my opinion and only mine. I'm 24 and just don't see myself playing Wii.
Only Sony fanboys can be so clueless they can say that and actually feel they have said something valid... They are all toys...I dont know which is more pathetic. You being so stupid you acutally feel you have a valid point or you not being banned to the open zone because some mod feels you have a valid point..Of course the saddest part is how you SDF guys are still trying to defend the PS3 with such lame excuses..
Yeah. Because any compelling software came out for the wii in Nov... >_>
Captain Sony, I find it hilarious that you are calling people names and using a clearly fanboy-inspired name while telling people that share their opinions that they should be banned to the open zone. Must all of the people that disagree with you be banned to the open zone where you belong?
Butterfinger, All I got out of your wasted post was "Blah blah blah cry cry cry." I didnt call anyone "names" What I called the guy who said only 1 was a toy was stupid. I know in your bias fanboy attitude you think only 1 is a toy but anyone who is unbias will admit that all consoles are toys.. Funny thing is how you Sony fans always want to be 1 sided and you think it makes you a gamer to hate anything that isnt Sony, but if someone can give credit to the other 2 consoles then they must be a fanboy.. You and many of the other Sony fanboys around this site have no clue what a fanboy is.It doesnt take a fanboy to see Sony is in last place. It doesnt take a fanboy to see that all consoles have their good and bad points. Its only fanboys that act the way you do and get their panties in a twist because someone can clearly see the facts that you and your fanboy mentaility refuse to see.
the problem aint the fact that 360 doubled the ps3, the problem is the fact that all of these ps3 fanboys were talkin so much trash. so much trash that the ps3 was gonna own 360 and that gears2 and fable2 cant save the 360 from the impending doom that lbp and r2 was gonna bring upon them. i bet 70% of these so called fanboys didnt even buy the games and support their console
The problem with Microsoft is that they are not consistent enough to extend this lead they have. It would do wonders with their third-party support and abysmal 09 line up. Sony is still doing so well that they feel comfortable in the position they are in and feel no need to drop the price anytime soon. No company SHOULD ever feel comfortable in last place. Yet Sony is sipping champagne and laughing... Why? 09 comes and Sony is rumored to drop the price of the PS3 in March. They'll be breaking even and selling more or the same as the 360 is selling per month. All the while, getting excellent third-party support because they are selling so well and they'll be breaking even on the PS3. HAHAHAHAHAHA *sips champagne* http://www.dpadmagazine.com... price cut in march. This leak was right about new GOW3 and Uncharted 2 footage. @tatotiburon: You mean...like this year..? http://www.1up.com/do/newsS... http://www.1up.com/do/newsS... http://www.joystiq.com/2008... http://blogs.pcworld.com/ga... http://www.i4u.com/article1... http://gamer.blorge.com/200... http://www.psu.com/PS3-outs... http://www.actiontrip.com/r...
once again "wait till next year"
yes like this year http://www.qj.net/NPD-US-Wi... http://www.joystiq.com/2008... http://vgsales.wikia.com/wi... http://www.gamasutra.com/ph... http://www.electricpig.co.u... http://www.electricpig.co.u... and just waiting for november and december results, 5 months in the lead and holiday season, the most important, already in microsoft pocket...and that just harware, xbox 360 games outselling everything
What a nickname... 360 means: I have only one console and I stand by it and man: I'm truly a kid, but thanks to the web, I can say I'm a man! "the problem aint the fact that 360 doubled the ps3, the problem is the fact that all of these ps3 fanboys were talkin so much trash." Now read the article again... There's nothing said about fanboys. It's all about the Wii outselling both next gen consoles in the U.S. You're a 360_man, so please, instead of talking about fanboys, just tell us why the Wii, while being more expensive than the 360, is still outselling it (and the PS3 all together). That's what the article is about. Not some rant about fanboys. Trust me, you should read it and you would have said: "the problem aint the fact that 360 doubled the ps3, the problem is the fact that the Wii is outselling BOTH consoles in the U.S." See, much smarter reply, and it's all about what is said in the article.
So wait... Sony is consistent? ... consistently delayed?
@ real gambler i like the way you changed the phrasing of the subject to make wii the main focus, whilst easing attention off the real HD battle that is taking place between the ps3 and xbox 360. the fact that you could have been one of those fanboys stating how the ps3 will be dominant thin fall is highly probable
The first Animal Crossing Sold pretty good from day one. It was an unknown too, so Whats LBP's excuse now? Even Phoenix Wright on DS sold better and who ever heard of a lawyer genre prior to that?
The real numbers will be interesting indeed, although I do agree with the order, it seems that would be just common sense. I know these are just predictions, but it goes to show that cheaper doesn't equal stronger sales, with the 360 $50 less than the Wii. And with the PS3 still at $400, it would be very impressive for it to move close to half-million units in these days and times.
i honestly think blu ray players coming down in price(you can get alot of them for right under $200 right now) has hurt the ps3 from people buying it just as a player and not a gaming console.People used to say "its a great deal" and i believe it is for the tech but i feel alot of other people bought a ps3 in the beginning because they could either get a blu ray player or a ps3 thats a player and a game system.
is you can get a 360 and a blu-ray player for about the same price now. People are really going to start thinking about that as a real possibility over the PS3 too.
If this is correct the ps3 will have DROPPED yoy in november, lol. We're in for one GREAT npd! :D
Wait for motorstorm BOMBA Wait for Lair BOMBA Wait for Heavenly Sword BOMBA Wait for Ratchet Clank BOMBA Wait for GT5 P BOMBA Wait for Uncharted BOMBA Wait for Haze BOMBA Wait for Gta4 BOMBA Wait for MGS4 BOMBA Wait for Motorstorm 2 BOMBA Wait for LBP BOMBA Wait for Resistance 2 BOMBA Decade of the ps3 continues............. Wait for FFXIII vs Wait for Gow3 Wait for ICO Wait for Uncharted 2 Wait for TOP SECRET EXCLUSIVE game Sony your done
We can all agree that neither company will be "finished" anytime soon... . . . . . . . . . Nintendo and Sony have a bright future ahead...
omg sonyfans I don't get them man wait to this game come out it going to kill xbox 360 wasn't it suppose to be the year of the ps3 o well i guess it 2009. Time to get ready for a whole bunch of ms don't got no games in 09 articles to put up or sony gonna kick a$$ in 09 bs.
you do know the PS3 is barley 2 years old right? thats a nice list of games considering you cant get many of those games on anything other then PS3! In 2 years Sony has brought well over 20 new IP's in 3 years the 360 has borught out 3 its great to see all the 360 fanboys feeling there oats! Feeling all good about outselling the PS3 for 5 months out of 12 in NA!!!! hahahaha losers sales dont matter unless you own stock and if your talking sales and not making money on them your a complete loser! looks like most ppl on this thread are complete losers
none of those games besides mgs4 are system sellers like gears or halo. It's funny this holiday season that people would rather buy CODWAW ps3 than any of those new "IPs." BTW half the generation is over and all 3 consoles are already outdated.
the wii sell because of old people...
Somehow this douche gets the best out of fanboys. Gotta love his job though, lol.
when the PS3 is $200 and when its half way into its life cycle we wont be talking about how well the 360 sold because it will have blown its load after the holidays 2008 It will all become totally clear soon enough when PS3 starts selling more multi-plat game just like is already happening you will see all these arcade owners not able to buy games because they dont want to pay $100 for a HDD! 400,000 PS3 is kicking some a$$ its not kicking the Wii's and MS is spamming $199 all over the TV in the long road Sony will bring out the games that make the difference! they already have blueray good job Sony 400,000 is nothing to sneeze at @1989 if Killzone2 comes out and the only way to get 5 maps for online play is to buy the game new it will sell huge numbers! you all 4get that Gears of War forced ppl to buy the game new or else you couldnt get 5, let me REPEAT THAT, FIVE maps! So good that MS has the money to have all those partys! Nothing like gamers sitting in line to make a party
the ps3 is kickin ass? lol this site just kills me....it doesn't matter which way the news is thrown its going to come out smelling of roses for sony. Alot of people need to realise that no game no matter how good is going to change anything. killzone 2 isnt going to be the be all and end all same alan wake. you need about 20 exclusives a month, all well advertised, to even consider overtaking the competition. Hence the ps2 - every company under the sun was developing games exclusively for it. Does any1 ever consider that the hype for these individual games isnt reali much outside of forums - which in the big picture dont account for alot. Microsoft had to hold 30,000 midnight launch parties to get gears the sales it did.
SONY YOUR FINISHED MAN
LOL... I love you drama queens.
wow sony is really done for
if Sony had sold 185,000 units like the 360 was for most of the year i would agree but thing is 360man they have held steady all year and have the fanbase just waiting on getting it cheaper! The PS2 didnt have a install base of 130million in 2 years! PS3 will reach the 100 million i would bet anyone but really in 7 years i wont care just like i dont now
I agree... @ultimolu: Read my post above and you'll see why this was actually the year of the PS3.
You have a good point. 400,000 isn't bad at all.
100 million?i dontknow about that people seem to forget the ps2's starting price came in at $299.2 years later it was at $200.People keep thinking that ps3 will have the sales of ps2 btu what people forget is that ps3 launch price is quite higher(actually double)and with our weak economy ps3 will have a harder time then the ps2 to achieve the 100 mil mark.Besides when does thie gen actually stop?when new gen is introduced(wich xbox and nintendo will introduce before Sony imo) or when Sonys 10 year plan comes to a close?i think the latter for the fanboys,just so the numbers can matter to them.
PS2 did have sales of 50 million after 2 years... 17<50 for those of you not mathematically inclined.
Next time i see someone leaving a game shop with a PS3rd in hand, i'm going to punch him in the face. ''Mary Christmas droid!''
ok 360 fanboys that are claiming "OMG PS3 DEAD" umm you guys do actually realize that sony makes more profit in their gaming division then MS does right?! Lets look at the numbers shall we.. Sony also owns the PSP and PS2 and ALSO makes a lot of money on blu ray royalties. for instance it probably only cost sony $50.00 tops to make each PS2 and they are still selling a lot of PS2 monthly at $130.00. the PSP probably cost sony tops $100.00 per unit to make and they are still selling good at $180.00 a month. Sony also makes a lot of money on blu ray royalties also for each blu ray player sold AND each blu ray movie sold and as we all know the 3rd hottest item during the holidays this year was the Sony blu ray player. the bottom line is this, when you look at just the PS3 VS 360 then yes 360 is beating it in sales.. BUT when you look at the overall big picture of Sony's gaming Division VS Microsoft's gaming division, Sony wins. Oh and you guys are actually bragging the 360 is doing so well. You can get a 360 cheaper than a Wii for God sakes!!! LMAO ofcourse its going to sell well. If anything you fanboys should be worried. Because the only way MS can move consoles is with a price cut which is usually signs of a failing console. Think about it, Worldwide the 360 was getting spanked in sales by the PS3 until the 360 got the big price cut to $199.99. My question to you fanboys is whats in store for 360 in 2009? So far all you guys have are 2 Halo spin offs (halo wars and Halo recon) while PS3 owners have Killzone 2 in the beggining of 09, Infamous in the middle of 09 and God Of War 3 and Gran turismo 5 in the winter of 09. So where are the games?! What are MS plans going forward?! are they just going to keep dropping the price until the 360 is only $50.00. they know they have nothing to compete with PS3s stellar line up in 09. I mean think about it, Sony has proven GUARANTEED multi million selling IPs coming in 09. Killzone 2, God Of War 3 and Gran Turismo 5 will easily move 3 million or more units for each title worldwide. What does MS have to counter that?! Oh and you guys better pray that Shane Kim didnt mean it when he said that they want to start competing with the wii in 09 by releasing more "family friendly" games, if they do that, that will be a answer to Sony's prayers becasue lets face it. the 360 will not sell without more Hardcore games, people buy and associate the 360 with hardcore games and if MS sells you guys out in 09 sony will love that because its pretty much MS saying "here you go sony, you can have the hardcore market now" so i wouldnt be to quick to celebrate yet FANBOYS
I love when people say that Microsft's price cuts are an act of desperation while conveniently forgetting the PS3's price cuts and losing of features. Talk about desperation.
How bluray royalties = Game division. Oh, and you sound like a goddamn Sony PR. "Sony family outsold..." Yeah, when it's 3 consoles competing against Microsofts 1 console just figures they outsell it :D. What's your take on Sony selling less PS3s in Nov this year compared to Nov last year, even though the price is the same and they have more games out?