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Why Won't Sony or MS Admit Nintendo is Competitor?

Don Reisinger:

"Whenever I read a Sony or Microsoft press release or meet with company representatives, they're quick to point out that Nintendo's Wii console isn't a competitor. Why? They claim it's because the Wii does gaming differently and is more of a "casual" platform than a "true" gaming console.

Earlier this year, Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg, director of product management for the Xbox 360, said the Wii isn't a competitor at all.

Sony isn't innocent either, of course. Just a few weeks later, the company's CEO, Howard Stringer, told Bloomberg that he's played the Wii and he's not impressed."

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user94220773240d ago (Edited 3240d ago )

Wii does not have games such as Gears of wars 2 or LBP, no hardcore games.

But still it's one of the funnest consoles around.

Parapraxis3240d ago (Edited 3240d ago )

Here's Jack007's original comment:
"Because Nintendo is miles ahead of Sony and MS in sales. "

Just in case people are confused by my comment below.

Muppetmeat3240d ago

OK. So here's a hypothetical scenario: M$ and Sony admit Wii is a competitor. OK. Great. How does that change anything? What is the value of this story or 90% of any other found here?

BrotherNick3240d ago (Edited 3240d ago )

It's kinda like they're hiding the fact that their getting their a$$es handed to them. If you read the article he has some points, like how the 200 arcade is somehow not supposed to be competition for the wii, or how the sixaxis was not put in the controller because of the wii.

SSCOOLCHEA3240d ago

wii = fun ...only people who wants to think that , think the wii is fun. heck if i spent some money on the p.o.s. console I would think its fun to . would you tell your kids the wii is a p.o.s. and hurt his feelings .......NO

Danja3240d ago

They fail to acknowledge the Nintendo as a competitor because Nintendo is slaughtering them both in sales....so why bother Sony/M$ bother to compare themselves with Nintendo when in the end they will only make there sales figures look even worse since Nintendo is miles ahead

And yes at the end of the day Sony/M$ is also competing for the casual crowd ...so dont bother to say NIntendo isn't hardcore so thats why Sony/M$ isn't competing with them..

kapedkrusader3240d ago (Edited 3240d ago )

...is like saying that a BMW is a competitor to Ferraris and Lamborguinis. Sure, they are all luxury cars, but they aren't fighting for the same market. And i'm sure more Beamers have been sold than Ferraris and Lambos combined.

HighDefinition3240d ago

Of it as comparable to the Ps2, it was just late to the party. When I think "nextgen/this gen" the Wii doesn`t come to mind.

Kholinar3240d ago

"Saying that the Wii is a competitor to the 360 and the PS3...
...is like saying that a BMW is a competitor to Ferraris and Lamborguinis. Sure, they are all luxury cars, but they aren't fighting for the same market. And i'm sure more Beamers have been sold than Ferraris and Lambos combined."

So let's say a BMW z4 is around $45k. What sort of sales do you think Ferrari would have if they dropped their prices to $36k? How about if Lamborghini announced that they were selling now for $72k. Do you think that'd shake up the mid-range sport car market? Certainly a lot of people couldn't jump from 45 to 72, but you'd at least expect the Ferrari to destroy the BMW....

psnDevistator3563240d ago

If Sony and Microsoft are going after a different market than that of Nintendo.

Sure Nintendo's selling well but they have to keep the appeal constant, thats why to gameboy or whatever they make a slight hardware modification and people buy without thinking lol.

I'll tell you right now that Sony and Microsoft have more committed customers that actually buy games. Just look at fanboys and you'll see the commitment i'm talking about.

Especially sense the wii came out and started going for the casual market and lowering their quality of games and focus was when they we counted out. But hey they have no competition I don't see another casual system out there. Maybe apple can go against Nintendo.

littletad3240d ago (Edited 3240d ago )

Mind you, Nintendo has been able to churn out a brand new Metroid, Zelda, and Mario game all in less than a year and half. Usually these kind of games took time in past Nintendo systems. Beyond that Smash Bros came out as well. That's an amazing accomplishment. The problem is their change of focus, this generation. All those games I mentioned above were made while Nintendo still believed the core gamer to be paramount to their success. Had Nintendo discovered the casual beforehand, those games would have been altered drastically. So while there is "hardcore games", their vision and perception these days involves little belief in pleasing the hardcore crowd anymore. Such a shame, and I agree with Sony and Microsoft in being oblivious to it's success simply because of it's philosophical changes.

kapedkrusader3240d ago

...the arcade version of the 360 is gimped. Most people would prefer to by a fully loaded Beamer than a stripped down Ferrari.

Lifendz3240d ago

then so it that educational game console that allows you to play bob the builder. So is that console they sell in the mall which is essentially a wii but with even worse graphics (if you can believe that).

The cheapest tvs outsell the higher end ones. Walmart sells more clothes than the top designers sell. Payless sells more shoes than Nike. See where I'm going? If the Wii is a competitor it is only in the generic sense because it sells the same item as the other two.

Don't get mad Wii owners. there's a reason you don't have GTA 4 (as it was on the other two consoles) and RE5 isn't coming. The system isn't as powerful. It can't do it. But that doesn't mean you can't have fun with the system. Just don't try to get it thrown in the same class as a PS3 or a 360. It's not. And that's why no one considers it a threat.

Also, hardware sells are quite different from software sales. People are buying Wiis to play Wii sports. The "hardcore gamer" still owns a PS3 or 360. Heck, most of those gamers say they haven't even turned their Wii on in months.

M_Prime3240d ago

funny.. i see all the 360 ads and they are all geared towards casuals... not 1 MENTION of GEARS 2 in like the last 2 weeks and my school is on strike so i have watched a lot of TV... its all LEGO INDIANA JONES and KUNG FU PANDA or that IN THE MOVIES game with the camera..

so i say 360 is for sure in competition with the wii.. and if its in competition with the wii then it would mean that ps3 is in competition with the wii cause the its in competition with the 360..

I got a wii and i love it and hopefully i'll get a PS3 for x-mas.. but i still will play the wii a lot.. Virtual console is awsome.. GF loves it!

RememberThe3573240d ago

When Nintendo brought out the Wii as the Revolution, they made it very clear that they were not going after either MS or Sony. They said something about people getting a Wii and a PS3 or a Wii and a 360.

Sony and Nintendo are going after different audiences at the moment, so no matter what Nintendo does it wont really affect PS3 sales.

At the same time MS is trying to get some of that casual market, but it is getting killed there, so they focus on where they're doing well; the battle against Sony.

soren3240d ago

um dum comment jack no duh it dont have those games u stated but ps3 dont have no more heros or fire emblem or batalion wars or elibits or ff crstals let sbe honest here ps3 and 360 have the same games rare for them to have exslusives so plzzzzz dont get me started i know we all have out diff taste and stuff i want more games on wii then ps well ps i have 0 games to get in our house hold we have mg4 folk lore lbp and some other but more then half are on 360 i mean rilly im sick of all these shooters already i mean how meny do we need? thats all u here know a days what happen to the platfomers the aventure games the action aventure games ware have they gone not on ps3 or 360 for sure i dont think thers gana be any new games beside shooters thats gana come out well thats origanal that is srry for the grammer

Mini Mario3240d ago

Ever heard of the saying :-

"If ya cant beat em join em"

Well microsoft went one step further and is basicaaly saying :-

"If we cant beat em, ignore em!!"

lol

Mini Mario3240d ago

" Sure Nintendo's selling well but they have to keep the appeal constant, thats why to gameboy or whatever they make a slight hardware modification and people buy without thinking lol."

Kinda like the psp, psp lite and the soon to be psp3......

"I'll tell you right now that Sony and Microsoft have more committed customers that actually buy games. Just look at fanboys and you'll see the commitment i'm talking about."

Absoulutely, and the sales certainly show this.

"Especially sense the wii came out and started going for the casual market and lowering their quality of games....."

Actually the lower quailty THIRD PARTY games came around the psOne era. When nintendo was the big bad guy who had stricter rules when developing for the system. Until the psOne came round and let anyone do whatever they wanted. Thus continuing onto the ps2.

"But hey they have no competition I don't see another casual system out there. Maybe apple can go against Nintendo"

Dont worry singstar is out for the ps3, and lips for the 360 (and many more...buzz!!). So theres plenty of "casual" to go around

Mini Mario3240d ago (Edited 3240d ago )

"PM
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Ignore1.12 - If the Wii is a competitor
then so it that educational game console that allows you to play bob the builder. So is that console they sell in the mall which is essentially a wii but with even worse graphics (if you can believe that).

The cheapest tvs outsell the higher end ones. Walmart sells more clothes than the top designers sell. Payless sells more shoes than Nike. See where I'm going? If the Wii is a competitor it is only in the generic sense because it sells the same item as the other two."

Do u use this much spin when u go bowling..... >?

I hope not coz u would end up in the gutter every time.

"Don't get mad Wii owners. there's a reason you don't have GTA 4"

Because it was too boring for the wii, too much of a "sim" than of a "game"......>? I should know i own it on my ps3.

Just don't try to get it thrown in the same class as a PS3 or a 360. It's not. And that's why no one considers it a threat.

"Also, hardware sells are quite different from software sales. People are buying Wiis to play Wii sports."

It must have taken u a while to track down all 30 something million owners to ask them.

"The "hardcore gamer" still owns a PS3 or 360. Heck, most of those gamers say they haven't even turned their Wii on in months."

if u mean the idiots that say that on here ( u know the ones "played it for a day than sold it..SONY RULZ).... than that really is a LOL moment because i wasnt taking u seriously before with what u wrote, and now after saying that i can bearly type from laughing so much.

Mini Mario3240d ago

"funny.. i see all the 360 ads and they are all geared towards casuals... not 1 MENTION of GEARS 2 in like the last 2 weeks and my school is on strike so i have watched a lot of TV... its all LEGO INDIANA JONES and KUNG FU PANDA or that IN THE MOVIES game with the camera..

so i say 360 is for sure in competition with the wii.. and if its in competition with the wii then it would mean that ps3 is in competition with the wii cause the its in competition with the 360..

I got a wii and i love it and hopefully i'll get a PS3 for x-mas.. but i still will play the wii a lot.. Virtual console is awsome.. GF loves it! "

Ahh its so refershing to read what some1 has written that actually has a brain. U made some good and truthful comments. Now watch your disagrees go up n up. Coz not many ppl on here actually use common sence like u.

prowiew3239d ago

Its a totally different market. Thats why you dont see gaming sites(ign, 1up, etc) covering a lot of wii. Thats why the hardcore gamers don't talk a lot of wii. Thats why the only games you see that sells well on wii are nintendo games only. Sure, microsoft and sony are trying to capture a little of the casual market, just because nintendo is making lot of money. But the ps3 and 360 gamer in general are very different from the wii gamer (if that even exist).

Legion3238d ago

Wii is not competition in a similar way that DS, PSP, cellphones nor PC are competition. They are gaming capable systems but they are not competition. They will not detract or take away from the profit of Sony or MS.

People don't go out and think... will I buy a PC or a PS3 or maybe an Xbox 360? Will I get a DS or maybe I should buy a XBox 360 or PS3 instead? The same way they don't say... hhhhmmmm, should I get a Wii or a PS3 or XBox 360. It for the most part just doesn't happen. People say... will I get a PS3 or XBox 360. That is about the competition in a basket.

Get over it... Wii sells but it is not competition. I would assume that the majority of Wii owners are not fans of gaming as much as they are following the cabbage patch doll phenom. And those that are gamers probably own the Wii and either the PS3 or an XBox 360.

It's like saying that Barbies Horse riding is competition to Gears of War 2 And Resistance 2. Nope... it might out sell both games but it is NOT competition to either.

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Parapraxis3240d ago (Edited 3240d ago )

Wii cannot output HD, cannot run the same games as PS3 & 360 and is lightyears behind with its online service.
Its hardware capabilities have NOTHING to do with sales Jack007, and Sony and MS are referring to hardware when making these statements.
And as far as hardware is concerned, it doesn't compete with 360 or PS3.
Sony & MS aren't claiming to outsell it, they are saying that they aren't competing with the Wii as a current gen console, because it simply isn't "current gen" technology.

Kholinar3240d ago (Edited 3240d ago )

All those sound like good reasons, except when you actually think about why most businesses make any statements outside of adverts, i.e. to address their shareholders.

The shareholders could care less about HD, what games it runs, online service, hardware capabilities, this gen or any of that other hyperbole. The care about why families are spending $250 on a Wii (and more on a ton on peripherals) instead of $200 for a 360 or $400 for a ps3.

Sony and MS can talk all they want about not competing, but as long as consumer dollars are pouring into another company, they've got a problem.

*edit* btw... in the MS quote, looking at the source, there was no mention of hardware or functionality at all. The Sony quote basically said, "No, we don't see them as a competitor, after all... we're still the best blu-ray player out there."

Ridiculous.

BrotherNick3240d ago (Edited 3240d ago )

That honestly doesn't matter, from what Kholinar stated, they are losing the living room wars and they need to get it back. Get it back more like figuring out what more people want. If they don't change I see the powerful consoles becoming a niche product.

Parapraxis3240d ago (Edited 3240d ago )

BrotherNick, with that logic you are saying EVERYBODY wants a system like the Wii.
Sub-HD with tacked on motion controls.
I'm sorry, but that's a load of bull.

"powerful consoles becoming a niche product"
Hilarious.
It's like comparing an iPod to a Home theatre audio system
GUESS WHAT, iPods sell better, but that doesn't mean people don't want Home theatre audio systems.

BrotherNick3240d ago (Edited 3240d ago )

I'm saying more people want a wii than your favorite system para. Deal with it. Did you read the article? Was the 200 xbox 360 arcade system not to compete with the wii? What about the sixaxis within the ps3 controllers? Please explain why they did that then.

Parapraxis3240d ago

And as I stated, Sony & MS are NOT comparing sales, all 3 are doing just fine.
They sh!t on the Wii because it's not on par with games and hardware as them. And it's fact.

Captain_Sony3240d ago

Parapraxis everything you just said was what a fanboy would say.. No console had HD before this gen.. So you're saying PS2 wasnt a console right? Complete BS.
Anyone can sit here and spin that around to say that PS3 and 360 are not current gen consoles. PS3 comes with tacked on motion controls inferior to Wii so it isnt next gen. 360 has no motion sensing at all so it isnt next gen.. See what happened there?
Of course it is obvious that you are bias and nothing anyone says will change your mind that PS3 is the ONLY console out right now.. Whatever.. fanboys never see reason and you seem to have the same problem.. guess we know what that makes you.

BrotherNick3240d ago (Edited 3240d ago )

I kinda just hope the ps3 gets a price drop lol, so it can be more competitive. I like these wars, we get all kinds of cool stuff to play no matter who you are. This can be considered a golden age of games, because there are so many choices.

Parapraxis3240d ago

Captain_Sony, I'm sorry if you're confused by what I said. Maybe go back and re-read it.
You're being a fanboy because i'm stating facts, and you're trying to twist my words.
THIS GEN of consoles are HD, have heavy online components and connectivity.
Last gen was not about HD, however graphics were still a huge concern, as in ANY generation of consoles.
I also never said the Wii wasn't a console, stop being an idiot.
I'm stating the blatant differences between the Wii and 360 & PS3. That difference is the hardware and software.
Wii is destroying in sales, good for Nintendo.
But when comparing the 3 at their core, the Wii is closer to an original xbox, ps2 or GC than 360 and PS3.
You and others seem to be unable to accept that FACT.
I'm not a fanboy, I accept and understand the REALITY of the industry as it currently stands.
g'day.

Kholinar3240d ago

"BrotherNick, with that logic you are saying EVERYBODY wants a system like the Wii.
Sub-HD with tacked on motion controls.
I'm sorry, but that's a load of bull. "

It's MANY MORE people want a system like the Wii.

And Sony/MS need to wake up to the that fact or their shareholders will soon be looking to have all their executives' heads on platters.

When 18% of the people with HDtv's can't recognize HD content and 50% have no idea what Blu-ray is, I'd say quite a lot don't care if it's sub-hd. And obviously Sony fans don't care if their system has tacked on motion controls.

Kholinar3240d ago

"I kinda just hope the ps3 gets a price drop lol, so it can be more competitive. I like these wars, we get all kinds of cool stuff to play no matter who you are. This can be considered a golden age of games, because there are so many choices."

Probably won't happen. The yen's too strong, so, while Japan could get a price cut, we've already got ours via a flagging currency.

BrotherNick3240d ago (Edited 3240d ago )

It is not on par graphically, but it's fun. Also Kholinar, quit ruining my dreams. :P

Parapraxis3240d ago

Kholinar, without the PS3 & 360 i'd consider the gaming industry DEAD. As would many others.
Games such as:
Dead Space
Mirrors Edge
GTA4
MGS4
Gears 2
etc, etc, would not exist.

If an ideal concept of gaming for you is what software is on the Wii, and that nobody want's games that are innovative (beyond a motion control gimmick) and gorgeous (fully utilising HD capabilities), you are living under a very large and blocky rock.

Mr_Bun3240d ago

I agree with you in that the wii is almost the last console to the market in terms of "last gen" and what it has to offer...I would agree that if someone came up with a "console" that had 8 bit graphics and cost 20$ and sold more than the wii, it wouldn't be in the same league...but I think as soon as you connect a console to your TV to play games on, it qualifies it as competition.

For the record, I just sold my wii seeing as it had been collecting dust ever since I got a PS3

BrotherNick3240d ago

Whatever, if you want to use buttons forever to interact with your games, go ahead. The wii paved the way for better motion control devices for gaming. Next gen controllers will have motion.

Kholinar3240d ago

"If an ideal concept of gaming for you is what software is on the Wii, and that nobody want's games that are innovative (beyond a motion control gimmick) and gorgeous (fully utilising HD capabilities), you are living under a very large and blocky rock."

This is what usually happens. We're talking about different things.

I'm talking about Sony and MS completely destroying their own stability by ignoring what a competitor has done right, and you're talking about the types of games you like and how I can't possibly have good taste in games.

Whether the Wii is gorgeous or has innovative software is besides the point (except to those gamers who think the Wii will kill the game industry, which is insecure madness). I'd argue that it's hardware is innovative in execution.

The problem continues to be that Sony and MS are great at making games and systems for the hardcore, yet suck at generating new customers. Sony has some good IP's for casuals (singstar, etc. and LBP which is a great crossover to both groups) but destroys interest with their pricing structure. MS has no clue as of yet (I see Viva Pinata as an accident, though a happy one). It's great that you love the consoles and their games. It's great that there's innovation, but if the customer based is the same, then all development will stagnate in a way that nothing the Wii can do will match.

That's the problem, and Sony/MS don't even want to admit that they're lost in that area.

Lich1203240d ago

"Kholinar, without the PS3 & 360 i'd consider the gaming industry DEAD. As would many others.
Games such as:
Dead Space
Mirrors Edge
GTA4
MGS4
Gears 2
etc, etc, would not exist. "

Or we could see them in their true HD glory by having PC gaming make a comeback (not that its dead... but its not what it was). But I will say, I like things as they are. Currently Id say theres a console for everyone.

Even if the Wii isn't in the same graphical realm it serves its purpose to the whole experience as do the 360 and ps3.

AWBrawler3240d ago

ok. so you playing the same games with suped up graphics is current, but the Wii being wildly different in its design and game library is not? forgive me if i don't understand your argument.

PS3PWNSALL3240d ago

They got into a HUGE argument on the Warzone about this same subject. It was hilarious.

"On this episode we got into a huge debate over whether or not the Wii was competing with the 360 & PS3. This went on for a good 10 minutes and it’s what the Warzone is all about.

http://www.thebitbag.com/20...

Mini Mario3240d ago (Edited 3240d ago )

"Wii cannot output HD, cannot run the same games as PS3 & 360 and is lightyears behind with its online service.
Its hardware capabilities have NOTHING to do with sales Jack007, and Sony and MS are referring to hardware when making these statements.
And as far as hardware is concerned, it doesn't compete with 360 or PS3.
Sony & MS aren't claiming to outsell it, they are saying that they aren't competing with the Wii as a current gen console, because it simply isn't "current gen" technology."

So what about when the psOne competed with the n64>? Did the n64 win because the psOne was "last gen" with the saturn....

Or what about the DS...is that competeting with the PSp because of the hardware......or the gameboy and gamegear...>? Did they compete.....

Use some sence...it would do u the world of good!

"Kholinar, without the PS3 & 360 i'd consider the gaming industry DEAD. As would many others.
Games such as:
Dead Space
Mirrors Edge
GTA4
MGS4
Gears 2
etc, etc, would not exist."

Well using ur "logic" (cough and laugh), without nintendo having games like metal gear on the NES in the dying market of the early 80's u wouldnt be playing them today.....at all!

Parapraxis3239d ago

You are very poor at following logic it would seem. We are discussing the 3 consoles introduced in what is consiodered "this gen" of gaming.
When referring to older consoles you compare the various consoles that were put out around the same time in an exact effort to compete with one another.

As for Nintendo bringing gaming into everybodys living room, I agree, they were hugely helpful.

If the only console on the market NOW was the Wii, I as well as many others would consider console gaming "dead".

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Johnny Rotten3240d ago (Edited 3240d ago )

The same reason why I wont call a pet rock a toy, that's just my opinion though.

season0073240d ago

most press conference of Sony only says how they are getting momentum, and how their sales increase in time periods...or how their different consoles and handheld sell...

well
as far as i know there is only 1 kid in the industry that ALWAYS point out how much i sold compared with someone else but ignored Wii on the other side...

Allowen3240d ago

Once some one buys a Nintendo Wii and a few games it means this costumer will have LESS cash to invest in a new console or more games for it.

Nintendo IS a COMPETITOR and a THREAT for both Sony and Microsoft and it is a fact. Does not matter if Nintendo is sellign "last gen" kind games because they cost almost same of a game on other console anyways.

Another problem here is download content because these days games launched are some what incomplete, just look at a Dead Space game for exemple,when it launched on the same day appeared 1000 add on to be bought at PSn or LIVE and these things are expensive.

My point here is that since PS3 and 360 will have for salle 1k dc for every game that launches for these machines then it should at least cost LESS and be sold by the same price of a Wii game otherwise Sony and Ms will continue to lose market to Nintendo's power.