The general consensus, among experts, analysts and other blowhards has long been that when Blu-ray players legitimately hit $199, the format would finally go mainstream.
Bluray adoption isnt dependent on price, its depended on hdtv adoption.
We must also factor in the fact that the economy is very bad.
For once I actually agree with Socomnick. I've always said that more HDTV sales = more Blu-ray adoption. Plus, there's a lot of people that still might not even know what Blu-ray is even though they may have already gone HD, but eventually they'll make the upgrade. If $199 Blu-ray players isn't enough to make them "Go Blu", maybe The Dark Knight will start talking to them on store shelves begging to be watched in it's glorious HD, and maybe then they'll Go Blu.
yea once the price on high deff tv's comes down and more people can afford them, blu-ray sales will go up, commonsense.
That's odd everybody i know owns a HDTV set, and one of the main reasons they say the wont adopt blu ray yet is cause the price of disk. And i as i say to, no way in h3ll i will pay 30 bucks for a movie.
damn i thought i had an amazing thought to share, and looks like socomnick stole my fire. theres no reason to buy a bluray player unless you have a hdtv. thats like buying a dvd player, and watch dvds on a black and white tv. well... not exactly the same thing, but its a fair comparison. bluray offer no advantages to the average consumer who owns a standard definition tv, and it wont completely catch on until hdtvs are standard. thats not to say, however, that it will do poorly; it will just not explode until hdtvs are common in peoples houses.
You must also factor in that the market always chooses value. MP3 vs. CD. Beta vs. VHS And now, Digital Download movies/TV and Video-on-Demand are going to repeat MP3 vs. CD. For audio/videophiles? Maybe BR will find a home. In the mass market? As a replacement to DVD? Not a snow-ball's chance in hell. Bittorrent transfer of Movies / TV and music is *already* more than half of the traffic on the entire internet -- the masses are *already* moved to Digital Download.
Socomnick, you didn't read the article. It states that although half of American homes have HD sets only 8% of holiday shoppers are considering Blu-Ray. It all comes down to bad timing for Sony. The economy has tanked just as sales normally would ramp up.
The problem is not 100% the price of the Blu_ray player. It has to do with things like - 1- the price of the blu-ray movies themselves compared to standard DVDs 2- the quality of standard DVDs are really good without even being in HD. 3- Go to blockbuster and try to rent a Blu-Ray movie. Not much of a selection, is there? 4- $199 is a lot of money to ask a consumer to upgrade when their current setup is "good enough" for them. 5- The world wide economy slump has people saving their pennies again. We can talk till we are blu in the face (pun intended) but until the consumers actually see it setup and running in HD in their homes they will probably never adopt Blu-ray until the price comes down.
so? A decade ago, i would go to the video store and the DVD selection was abysmal. THe major plus in the BR debate is that the studios have adopted it.
My friend, you hit the nail right on the head. There is no SINGLE reason why BluRay is failing. It is a combination of many things all at once that has held back the BluRay adoption. And to those people banking the BluRay's success on the Dark Knight or any single movie...you are being naive. Sure it's a great movie...but good enough to spent well over $200 just to watch it compared to on an up scale DVD player??? Ummm, we can wait a couple of years. It is a movie, not a videogame afterall. We watch it like 2 or 3 times (6-7 hrs) and that's it. Videogames get a lot more time then that!!
My parents who are HD tv owners, have been looking for the next step to HD programming and movies. They are a little timid due to their lack of knowledge of technology and needed that extra push. the $199 Sony bdps350 totally changed their most wanted list for the holidays. They are really looking forward to getting the Pirates trilogy, and pre-ordered the bourne trilogy that comes out next january. I was really suprised by there sudden high interest. That price point has something to do with it. But i can understand that non-HD owners could have a hard time justifying the switch
well you get the drift. I'll help them out by starting their next article: "$199 not the Magic GAME CONSOLE price afterall The general consensus, among experts, analysts and other blowhards has long been that when GAME CONSOLES legitimately hit $199, the device would finally go mainstream. Well, $200 Xbox360s are all over the place yet ..."
I saw an entire palate stacked with blu ray players disappear in less than 2 minutes on Friday. Crappy magnavox players... $124 each @ walmart. People were also buying non name brand LCD TV's. Passing up Samsung LCD's.... I think people value price over quality.
We are finally seeing stand alone players that are giving us the performance for a price that isn't outrageous, so i can see that increasing adoption. Lets face it, everyone who wants a blu ray player doesn't want a PS3 and until the likes of the Panasonic bd35 were released no other player was at the performance level of the PS3.
Please don't tell me you actually believe the B.S. you just typed. Tell me that there isn't someone who's THAT naive and uninformed.
Plain and simple, bluray players and bluray movies are too expensive. And until the prices come down, still quite drastically, bluray will never succeed as the mainstream format.
I was at Fry's (as usual) and people are buying HDTVs 50"+... but only to see them return them. I think, i know why too. It's been raining since friday and they thought it'd be a super great idea to put a $1500+ HDTV in the back of pickup trucks!
Just ignore cherrypie. It makes him happy when someone retaliates because it means someone actually listened to some of his nonsense.
I guess ps3 fanboys have zero reading skills. It states that 50% of all homes now have HD Tv's and people are still not interested in blu ray. Everyone I know would buy a blu ray for 200 dollars if the movies werent 30-40 dollars. I was looking at them the other day and notice a movie that was 25 dollars an old movie from like the 80's that I could get on dvd for like 5 dollars.
todays technological generation is all about instant gratification. bluray fails because it did not instantly take over the dvd market! /sarcasm this console generation will last less than 5 years! /sarcasm bd tech has only been out for 2-3 years now, and as many people have point out it has a higher adoption rate than dvd did back in the day. but all the fanboys here want to make it look like bluray fails because they somehow associate bluray with sony. bluray is doing fine, and bluray != sony, so all the fanboys and doomspellers for bluray need to pipe down.
I personally think a lot of it has to do with disc price point. I have a blu-ray player, and absolutely love it. But do I buy 30-35 dollar movies? Hell no! I rent and enjoy just fine. The only ones I own are Planet Earth collection, Iron Man, and Transformers... and that's only because they were birthday gifts from my six-digit income brother.
Who said $199 was the magic price? It was the bitter HD-dvd/360 people who said $199 would be the magic price for HD-DVD. Not enough of the great movies have come out on blu-ray. Batman will push blu-ray and sell PS3s.
Just like how you told us that MGS4, Resistance 2 and LBP would push PS3 over the 360. Let me guess, it is now KillZone 2 which will do that???
OOOOOOOOO burn baby burn!!!!
So now it's Batman that will finally win people over? I thought that was going to be 300. Then it was going to be when Transformers finally released for Blu-Ray. Wait, wasn't it Iron Man? It isn't a single movie that will win people over to Blu-Ray. It's when consumers really have no other choice.
What ReBurn said. Mikeslemonade you have got to stop saying this is going to be the one for blu ray or this is going to be the one for the PS3 because after you have done it eleventy billion times people are just going to start ignoring what you say. I agree that sales of the dark knight are going to be very good, there is no doubt in my mind, however i don't think people are going to rush out and buy a blu ray player for it. Hardcore movie fans or those with excess cash will have a blu ray player already or be thinking about getting one and the added value of more and more good movies being released will sweeten the deal. I believe that for the casual viewer, for the lack of a better term, price is the all mighty key. So if you are going to talk about the "one" for blu ray then i think you should be talking about price because i guarantee that if you look in households today there are more $50-$100 dvd players than there are $150-$200 players.
With the economy as it is these days, I don't think people will be willing to spend much money on a new format, especially if they aren't familiar with it. I'm sure when Blu-ray becomes mainstream (when news are talking about it), and when the economy gets back on its feet, Blu-ray will be the norm.
The local Best Buy I went to on black friday was pretty quiet. They over compensating for Blu-Ray players big time. The whole store was filled with LCD tvs ready to pick up to go along with probably thousands of blu ray players and PS3s strewn across the floor at multiple locations in the store.
http://www.1ofakindbuys.com... LOL, I had some friends over last night and that is what some thought Blu-Ray was, a Fish.
You know what those disagrees mean right? You didn't go to Best Buy and you definitely don't know what you saw :-P
haha, blu ray fish. They should have used that as their icon.
...with such use of the word "blowhards". Suggests a fanboy posting from someone who is against blu-ray succeeding as a format.
with any new technology time is needed before it can become widespread. Blu ray is still fairly new. i know people who didnt start buying dvds until they got their kids a ps2. i think that once people see the big budget movies in HD it will take off like it should because even a bad blu ray is light years ahead of a dvd and dvds just look horrible on hdtvs IMO.
Yet another blog claiming Blu-Ray sales are poor, blah blah blah. Shouldn't they wait until actual Holiday sales data comes out, because until it does stating only 8% of consumers are considering Blu-Ray is just speculation? The price point of Blu-Ray's is no different than when DVD's first came out when you adjust for inflation. And you have to ask yourself, if half of the US is switching to HD tv's, what are they planning on watching? Why bother buying an HD tv at all if you don't feed it some sort of HD signal? Of course more people are going to be adding HD content over time and Blu-Ray's are the best way to go for anyone serious about home theater. It's a no brainer, yet here's another article flying in the face of common sense. I went down to my local HMV store when Wall-E launched on my lunch break. All the Blu-Ray copies of Wall-E were sold out before noon. I had to hit 3 stores before I found one that still had it in stock. Obviously the demand is there. Retailers will figure it out - and people will start to see Blu-Ray at their buddy's house and ask "Why doesn't my HDTV look that great?"
Sorry for the introduction, but blu ray was a failure before the format was made and will continue to be a failure because most people are smart enough than to buy this crappy product. People that really knew high quality product bought the best format HD Dvd which is now dead and the movie production company stop supporting it because they though that supporting only one format it would make them millions more and now they can see what a failure they were and that most executive ought to have their rear lubed with gasoline and have chucky light the match. Ok, just stay away from this overcharge product that the only thing its good for its to make the media more expensive, I mean all you need its an up-scaler and your dvd will be playing at 1080I, so you are probably a dumb horse for buying this crap and giving the industry more money for the movies you already have. And to buy a PS3 as a blu ray player its another dumb decision because the PS3 its a dust magnet with poor gaming experience compared to the competition and those are facts.
Wow tell us how you really feel there fella.
Two things: 1. Sorry that your investment in HD-DVD did not pay off. 2. Sorry to hear that your high school dropped english as a subject.
check out my post in open column. One thing I left out is once the 2 billion dollars that SONY used to sway the studios and retailers to go Blu-ray runs out which will be in early 2009. Prices will dramatically increase so be prepared.
wow a lotta whiners about hddvds. why are you guys fighting the progression of technology? were not cavemen. hdvd was about a big of a jump in technology as there was from single to dual layered dvds. all your moaning and btching wont raise your hddvd player from the dead, so shut your pie holes, fanboys.
Get thee to the "Open" section for comments, troll!
"people are smart enough than to buy this crappy product" Then explain to me the 360's sales in the US when the rest of the world has collectively turned their noses up at it. Seriously, anyone with eyes in their head can compare Blu-Ray to DVD and see that Blu-Ray is better all around. Sure there well be people out there who will say "Meh...DVD's are good enough," but those people are the same ones who won't be upgrading their TV's to HDTV's because there old TV's look fine with DVD. And, let's face it, without a HD source, what's the point in upgrading your TV anyway. Think about it. You've just spent $2000 on a new, spanky HDTV. You then have the choice, $100 for a decent DVD with upscaling to make use of your new features or $170 to go beyond DVD for a player that upscales DVD's and plays Blu-Ray? Hmm...what would Jesus do? And then you take shots at the PS3. Yeah, dust magnet eh? I suppose that's why it's selling faster than the 360 ever did at a higher price point. Stop embarrassing yourself.
Still bitter about the loss, LOL!
HD DVD has been dead for a long time now and there is absolutly no chance for the format to return. So... how could there be HD DVD fanboys? Or maybe it's just an excuse to make your dumbass feel better about the lack of support for Blu-ray.
but so many HDDVD sour losers with a lingering pain in the ass lol
... it's the fact that the movies themselfs, on BR, are still too expensive compared to DVD, while many MANY people still feel DVD is still 'good enough', even on a HDTV (when you have a decent upscaling player) So they need to bring down the prices of BR-discs, before it will really take off.
Really good point but I think it's a little of both.
Agreed, at least from my point of view. I have hardware capable of running BR movies, but I don't buy them unless I can get them for around $25 or less. $30-35 a movie is way too steep for me for a product I'll use once or twice. Also, why are they putting all these old movies on BR? The PQ sucks with a vast majority because the source material hasn't been remastered. Oh hey, look at all that HD NOISE on the screen! :( Good way to shoot themselves in the foot.
You want to see Blu-Ray player sales go up... Release the Lord of the Rings trilogy.... or better yet, All the Star Wars movies!!
agree. I've been waiting for LOTR trilogy on blu ray for 2 years already, but its still not out.
I believe they are going to release the lotr trilogy on br in 2009, the only problem is it isn't the extended edition. Since when is $199 the magic price point for br players, i thought $100 or less was?
... why are they bothering to release LOTR, when it's not the extended version!? Makes no sense. I guess they just wanna double their sales: First sell people the 'cut' versions, then 1 year later release the uncut versions, and expect everyone to 'double-dip'. Such a shame. I aint buying the cut versions though.
and he said (at that time) the LOTR trilogy on blu would be the extended versions.
You can pick up a 32" 720p TV (which is just as large or larger than most CRTs people have already) for around 600 now, down from at least 800 to a thousand from a year ago.
you can buy a 42 inch 1080p!! best buy my brother
please show me a link to a 42 inch 1080p for 600 Cheapest i've seen was $799.
I guarantee you that whatever that deal was....it was temporary, open box, recertified, or a Black Friday deal.
or .... (queue scary music) Vizio!
i believe you can get a 32" lcd hdtv for cheaper than that. i believe my friend bought one for ~500 i dont know about 600 for a 42"'er though. probably a vizio if anything lol.
when it actually is to just get it over with? I was never a fan of the format war, but from this articles very own ABI Research report...Won't the 8% listed as potential Blu-ray buyers bring Blu-ray market share from 12% to TWENTY % in under 1 year without rival competition? 0% to 20% market share in 2 years and 1/2 of THAT in a stagnant format war with HD-DVD... ...and this is POOR performance? Please...Stop...You're just embarrassing yourself with your own 'writing' -- The war's over. I think about anyone without bias for or against HD, Direct Downloads & Physical formats is TIRED of the same old "almost dead" "Blu-ray is dying" "Just about gone...really" "Ignore the actual growth...it's dead...really" "Direct Downloads! Pay the same as a real DVD but get lot's less!" story after pointlessly grasping story. Direct Downloads are for those who RENT Blu-Ray's are for those who OWN Studio's support BOTH . That said...why do these SAME "Hate hate hate...Die die die...LOATH entirely" stories pop up any time there's potential good news for Blu-Ray? Is it the horde of HD-DVD format 'losers' who can't get over they lost? Is it rival services planned, orchestrated anti-marketing? Is it just coincidence? Who CARES? People who already own Blu-ray players & movies don't. People thinking about buying Blu-ray players & movies don't. People who aren't buying Blu-ray players & movies don't. Who, exactly does?
ONE of the best comments I've read. Bubbles for you.
because it yet has to be ALIVE first ;) and avoid the Laserdisc debacle which is a real possibility. my guess is that Blu-ray will be the last physical DISC based medium and it will never top DVD. -- and please don't add 12% + 8% = 20% that's just silly math because you don't know how many of those in the 8% already own a Blu-ray player.
the purpose is to slow bluray(which haters tie into sony)down.which is to try and slow ps3 down.the haters will do this until the end of the year.hoping that bluray doesn't catch on.then start again next year.articles about other formats,articles about failure.oh,they'll try their best. but two things we know: 1)the haters believed in hd-dvd. 2)microsoft lead the haters with their viral campaign against ps3. who supported hd-dvd? 360 hd-dvd add-on owners. microsoft and toshiba,who pushed it. why did microsoft push hd-dvd so hard?to slow sony and bluray adoption.they also had a stake in their own codec used for hd-dvd. but on the sidelines,they claimed digital downloads are the future to try to make you think they weren't trying to make bluray fail.even though,bluray was the better format.the funny thing is that bluray destroyed hd-dvd even faster than any other format. it backfired on microsoft.just like microsoft backing immersion on their lawsuit on rumble controllers failed.microsoft had a stake in the lawsuit and went after immersion to get their money. http://blog.seattlepi.nwsou... http://www.tgdaily.com/cont... microsoft is a devious company.but they failed in stopping bluray.just like they failed to stop rumble returning to sony.just like they failed in stopping nintendo from taking the lead.just like they failed in stopping sony from outselling them with a higher priced system. but beware of the haters quest to stop forward progression in the name of microsoft winning this generation since this is all tied together in the console wars. apocalypse..................a lways delivering truth........
http://www.itwire.com/conte... they backed immersion just like they backed hd-dvd and toshiba. these articles about bluray failing will fail because they're EPIC FAIL. apocalypse................
Yeah and 18% out of that 20% is PS3's, so yeah that is a fail.
Well said and well written.
But Sony doesnt see it that way. Thats why they made the choice for us. And that is why Sony will fail with Blu-Ray. These days more than ever the consumer is becoming more adept to the changes in technolgy. The baby boomer generation which consist of our grand fathers and mothers and some of are mom and dads are the ones that make up the majority of consumers who purchase movies on DVD on a weekly basis. The word is out these days about Sony and what tactics they used to monopolize on winning the HD format war. They bought out a majority of Hollywood studios. They bought out all retailers which by Feb 14th, all of them stoped carrying HDDVD right before their big push of movies for the year. Sonys game plan was if they put the trojan horse format Blu-ray in the POS3 that not only would the 15yr old geeky pimpled faced fanboys would buy it but their moms, dads and grandparents would buy into it as well. Well guess what??? There not. Ive said it before people and Im gonna say it again. Dont believe the hype!!! Blu-ray is the most gimmicky, incomplete, overpriced and overhyped format that has ever been created. HDDVD was the true successor to DVD. It was a complete format from the get go and was far more cheaper to mass produce. The consumer should always have the option of choice and Sony got greedy and desperate and took that option from us. Thats why I will never buy a Sony product again. Mark my word people, this time next year Blu-ray will be a thing of the past I assure you. Trust me.
why should we trust you?
hahaha no bubbles for you. step aside fanboy. when they release the xbox720 with a bluray player, i will do a little jig in front of you shamed face.
You talk out of your bottom. M$ are sweating at the mere thought of not being able to use another format other than Blu-ray in the third XBOX. Blu ray is here to to stay, anyone who isn't a M$$$ fanboy can see that.