GameTrailers: With Home just around the corner we take an inside look at the PSN
This video pretty much sums how Home stacks up to XBL A lot of very valid points, Sony still got a long ways to go after Home and NXE launch
Actually it doesn't, because PSN is not just HOME, it's a part of PSN. Forget HOME and compare PSN to XBL and the differences are minimal. One is free, one isn't, one makes you host your own servers, one doesn't. Those are the MAIN differences.
Home is an online application. It's not a game, a Sims knockoff, or playing with "Barbie-dolls". I cannot believe you actually believe the idiots on this video.
Juuken starting to show his true colors... DUN DUN DUN!!! I like the bonus rounds. Probably the only thing i've watched on Gametrailers and the Dead Fantasy or whatever call it. But sometimes i just dont like their ignorant guests. Wow, they just said it's wrong to have PSN free?! Did they know that dorkwads get modded in Warhawk? You wont find any stupid 15yr old cussing or dropping racial slurs after racial slurs. But they do hate me and tell me to stop playing or go on their team cuz I OWN THE SKIES... Literally, i do. Sometimes it sucks when no one wants to dog fight with me anymore... then that's when i switch to the other team.
"This video pretty much sums how Home stacks up to XBL" I think that's the problem with this discussion, it was suppose to be focused on PSN versus XBL, but all they talked about was Home. And instead of offering any useful conjectures for improvement, they simply dumbed everything down. Someone should have asked whether any of them are in the Home beta, or whether they have spent enough time on PSN playing games to get a real feeling for the experience. It is like being fanboys and making fun of the competitors without experiencing it first hand. As a result, we have them praising XBL and assuming PS3 owners don't play multiplayer without ever trying Resistance, CoD4, or Warhawk online. One of the worst discussions I've seen for the bonus round. Keithley tried to keep them unbiased, but groupthinking pretty much took over with his three guests and we have this biased discussion as a result.
... That was full of... No Milky, this is a family friendly site! That's right Pachter, the fact that the PSN is free is only causing us PSNers grief, isn't it... I can't play a single game without being raped in the ears by a whole host of griefers that fill every single game. We all know that Xbox Live is the place to go if you want a family friendly environment, full of courteous players who are polite and civil and wouldn't dare to make a swear or cause any upset to another living being... The only one who seemed to know what he was on about was Geoff and he's the bloody host! Home isn't just about making your apartment look nice and dressing up your avatar as these people seem to think it is. How the hell can people who are that ignorant about the area they work in be considered experts in any way??? GAH!!! EDIT: @ 1.4 You're spot on, and even when Geoff asked Pachter what the PSn needed to do to improve, all he could come up with was some meaningless line of crap. "They need to attract more people who will actually play games"??? What the hell are you talking about??? So are you saying that all these people who I play online with aren't real??? That they are all part of some complex AI program to create the illusion that I'm not the only person on the PSN??? Go eat a wank you moron!!!
I think that all of their points are pretty vaild (coming from a Sony Fan.) I have been in the Home Beta for at least two months and I don't even go to it any more. I find it kind of crazy that they say that that free service is a liability. Screw the club argument that Pachter mentioned I'm saving money each year. http://quindarogamer.blogsp...
I agree with the HOME part, their opinions were valid. I don't agree with the park analogy simply because assholes are everywhere. Can't really stop them. I don't agree with the PSN friends thing. I agree that PSN's community isn't as strong as mics aren't standard. I agree that PSN isn't putting enough pressure on LIVE though. Overall it was a good show, some good points, some awful points. Some of you (ultimolu) have to calm down. Opinions are opinions. Live with them.
Sony is one of the easiest targets to be the stereotypical gamer to be sensationalized. I understand why they have chosen the platform but the reasoning for it isn’t strong. Since it's free there will be more trash talkers doesn't make sense or talking about how I have real friends. In reality people have many different kinds of friends. I for one have friends to go to clubs with, study with, co-worker friends, hanging out friends, and most of all online friends. I have created an account on gaming websites and created friends with people I will never meet in person. This is their strongest argument that they have real friends with real apartments. The misconception is that when people take things too far and form personal relationships this is what draws bad attention to online applications to things like PlayStation Home. Think about it, what sounds closest to the stereotype that gamers have no real lives, PlayStation Home. A place where you make your own apartment, buy clothes, and hang out makes it such an easy target. At the same time people will come to websites like these to post their blogs for strangers to comment, a contradictory my dear Watson. I’m even commenting on your comment and I have no idea what you look like nor your personality. So are websites that have blogs, news, and editorials going to be a target, no. The reason for this is because everyone knows enough mainstream information that people will see through the sensationalism. There points aren’t strong it is just stereotyping the online world that is actually typical to do. Since policing the internet is relatively new the common misconception is that people online have no lives.
The part where he asks them " Do you play on PSN?" No No No "I ughhh play resistance but uuughhh no" This both proves that they shouldnt be running a panel on PSN and that the PSN is no where near its competitor. Cross game chat along all games sony! get on that
They're are comparing Home to barbie. I bet when NXE comes out, they'll say it's the most innovative thing ever and praise it to heaven. Those bastards sicken me. If home was coming to the 360, they'll say it's the best thing since slice bread. It seems everyone except Ps3 owners and Sony want the PS3 to fail. They nitpick every PS3 game. If a PS3 game is short (heavenly sword), it gets horrible reviews but when it's a 360 game, they say quality>quantity (Gears 1 & 2,short campaign, 5 v 5 multiplayer). A PS3 game has variety, they say "it has too much variety" (R&C). A Ps3 game has 60 player multiplayer. They b1tch about it. They bash R&C: Quest for Booty because it was 4 hours long, even though it was a $15 downloadable game. This really pisses me off. It seems like everyone is an enemy of progress but I know it'll all be over soon. PS3 will reach $300 or less by next year and Blu-ray will have a much higher market penetration. 360 will not hold its lead forever. I wonder what the biased media will do when the majority of their readers are PS3 owners.
I disagree with their whole club/park analogy. Didn't make any sense at all. The biggest reason why Xbox 360 has that online community is that they came first to the market. A lot of people bought a 360, spread the word about how great Live is and thus the community came to. Had PS3 came first or even in the same year as X360, I'm confident PSN would have been quite healthy, maybe even more so than X360. Also in reality, I've seen a lot more assholes on Live. Not because that's a fact, but because they are more noticable thanks to the mentioned headset included with most X360s. People on PSN don't talk that much and so I rarely hear anyone talk trash.
PSN enables me to play games online and is free. XBL enables me to play online and is 50 bucks a year. See, there is only one thing I ask for when it comes to online gaming and the services that bring me online gaming. So the score sits nicely at: PSN - 1 XBL - 0 Both great services but one is free.
I genuinely agree with 1.0 Home will be a good piece of software but I agree with the people in the video, the novelty of going into a game to play a game to play with friends will die quickly. We need a more unified service, with cross-game invites, and a better messaging system.
Home was compared to playing with Barbies? .. rofl damn ..thats was harsh for Home ..they're literally tearing it apart :S
...-___- Do you even know what Home is?
amm a Barbie Doll Social Network Application?..lol just kidding amm well ..yeah ..is it that hard to know what home is? or are you going to try and enlight me on how home is a social netwrok application and try to make it look very complex when its actually not?
sigh i can understand the other two peoples points but pachter is just done. the economy has hurt him more than he has hurt himself. for instance. i can get the woman, dont know her name right now, saying she just wants to get in and play. valid argument. the other guy with the striped shirt. seems more hopeful but is no longer going to take sony for their words he wants to see them deliver. pacther used to defend sony. he is a analyst for a financial company. now that the economy is down, he is siding with a company who's stock is down but their overall outlook is till strong (microsoft that is). pacther is worse than a fanboy now, a fanboy believes in his console. pachter is just riding the wave of financial direction. with that out of the way. they are not looking at something sony needs to deliver. events and content. its not about going to your apartment only. its also about an online world. for instance (if sony is smart they are doing this and at TGS they showed that they could) not only could you stream events like E3 and TGS to the HOME theater, you can create a virtual replica of E3 and TGS with booths that you can access. they did that in TGS and they should have opened it up the beta testers. sony needs to stop dropping hints and just drop the content. with a movie and music company at its disposal they should be ready with SONY BMG and SONY Pictures exclusive content for HOME. blah blah blah, i'm not trying to defend a product thats not out, and i can understand the panels skepticism, i'm just tired of Pachter. i know why you wear that suit pachter. you could loose your job at any moment and your in interview ready mode. he admittedly doesnt play games. look into the product he discusses. yes considers himself a reliable source. (this time he said he doesnt play on PSN, check back a few months ago and further, he said the same thing about XBL and Wii)
That idiot finally broke the line this time with his bias remarks. Really you got to be an idiot not to see the potential in home. Oh its also FREE. If you want to find people who aren't assholes, that you want to play a specific game with. Really this filters out the annoying 12yr olds. Also the whole FREE THING. YOU CAN"T COMPLAIN. JUST LOOK AT PC GAMING, ITS THE SAME THING(ONLINE METHOD). REALLY I WISH I WAS ON THIS EPISODE BECAUSE I WOULD SHUT HIM UP!
I used to like his input, but I think this discussion highlights some problems. Making the assumption, with absolutely no empirical data to back it up, that only a million PS3 users play games online is pretty low for a professional analyst.
Pacther..... He is a KNOB.
very biased in my opinion
and the excuses continue and continue....haha
Oh, and what those excuses might be Knight? Oh...play the cowardly role Knight. Slam disagree button and run off.
Um, ultimolu? Are you asking FirstKnight to a duel? They're not biased, they're looking for problems with new features, if you watched the first part, you'd know this. Ignorance is bliss...
"They're not biased, they're looking for problems with new features, if you watched the first part, you'd know this." And I'm the first female president of the United States. You didn't need to hear the biased attitude. You could practically smell it.
watching that just made me vomit.
All I kept saying through that segment was "WOW!.. WOW!!...JUST WOW!!..WOW!!" lol I mean this was GT's versions of gamespot's "10 reasons NOT to buy a PS3" back in early 2007 XD. MS is really pushing hard but I know they're going to fail miserably and every single one of these gaming sites that have outright dogged Sony's PS3 product will all do 180, two-faced turn arounds by Christmas 09 or '10. It's a damned shame what MS has turned this industry into and even more of a shame how easily they put the gaming media in their back pockets and pimped them like that shameless hoes they've shown they are.
No it's a dang shame how Sony was going to destroy the industry and a blessing ho MS came into the mix and pushed things forward. Also Sony had the media in there pocket last year so whats your point. I'm very greatful MS step in because PS2 or dreamcast visuals just were not good enough.
Wow Patcher is a douchebag. "I doubt that Sony has even 1 million people on Playstation Network" What a noob. I love that articled they threw in from last year about how there was 8 million worldwide. So there should be about 10 million by now. Stick with your horribly incorrect predictions, moron. Somebody disagrees? So there are less than a million people on PSN? Patcher is always right about his console sales predictions? Interesting...
He's not talking about how many created account psn haves...obviously its a free service..and everyone logs in even if its just 1 time..so yeah ..it should have 8 million created accounts or more but how about people playing games? thats whats he's saying because even if xbox live has 14 million accounts..8million are Gold subscribers which you know are playing games, because they are paying for it..so how do you know how many people play on psn? so he's not talking about accounts created but the number of people playing the online service
Whatever he thinks hes commenting on, he is wrong. There are far more than a million people playing on PSN any given day. To think there are less than that with a worldwide install base of 17 million is just about the dumbest thing someone in his position could say. That is absolute bias, fanboy, bullsh!t. No other way around it. I'm sorry but to think this guy has any credibility whatsoever is amusing. His smug remarks are something you would find in the open zone of this site...
yeah ..less than a million seems pretty stupid low ....still ...i don't think its nowhere remotely near to 8 millions
Yeah, I believe fourzerotwo (Infinity Ward's community manager) said they had 1 mill. or more players playing COD4 on PSN every day!! So for him to say under a million is waaay exsaturated! I believe that number is much, MUCH higher!!! Especially with titles such as Warhawk, Socom(when it works) and LBP! Those games have a huge fanbase that play those games every day!
1 MILLION PLAYERS ON COD4 ON PSN? WOW!!! That is the biggest misinformed lie I've seen here for a really long time. Even Live doesn't have THAT many people playing at once everyday on CoD4. The largest amount of people playing one game at once was Gears of War 2 on launch day, 1.5 million people logged on and played. Halo 3 has 275 000 players playing at any given time. Call of Duty 4 has around 160 000 players playing at any given time.
I wonder why I even bother some times!? But, try googling something before rejecting it comepletly! And remember, these number were back in March. I can't see why that number is so hard to believe, when the game has sold about 4 mill. on the PS3... http://www.gamegrep.com/new... In the meantime i'm gonna look at this image, maybe you should too!!
I watched, and as usual Geoff was the voice of reason (or at least he tried to be). Very crap episode, Penthouse Magazine girl, LEAD DEVELOPER for 360 + Patcher? Sony didn't have a chance. It was a home bashing escapade. They didn't focus on the store, or the real difference between netwoirks, P2P vs Dedicated servers, Patcher said FREE is detremental and thinks Live has less trolls? lol, what a joke. Thank god Geoff is level headed, the rest of them are pathetic and NOT true gamers/unbiased. The one good point was that the 360 is bundled with a headset, Sony MUST do this, it's not debatable. Take the loss, keep the price the same, and bundle that sh*t. Disagreers, please speak up, i'd love to hear your voice.
Yeah he said less trolling on Live!!? Ohh come ON! That's practicly trolling heaven... I have never experienced that on PSN... But Geoff is cool as always... But bubbles to you sir! And totally agree, Sony really really needs to bundle the headset, especially with games as R2 and such. And their new official headset isn't even that expensive! Just bundle it, with either the console or the games that need it!
what's his name?
I would like to know what Patcher is smoking when he said PSN doesn't have a Million people playing on it, cause I would like some. :)
must be real good stuff if you say Live has less griefs. Wow that comment struck me. Also, I'm a proponent of doing your research before you make comments. Less than a million??? Especially when infinity ward said COD4 on the ps3 was huge?!? Less than a million?...wow. That's all I'm going to say. wow. It may not be at Live's level but c'mon.
I'm not a big fan of Home myself, even as a current tester, but this is really silly. Pachter believing that there are more "griefers" on the PSN than the XBL actually made me belt out in laughter. This guy is on every single episode too, admitting that he only uses the Wii in the rare occasions when he does play games with his kids. I guess he's gotta find something to do in between his routinely false sales predictions.
...Home is not a game you f*cking morons. It's a social networking application. ....This made me sick as well.
Har har har.
home is around the corner huh? big corner...
ummm i wouldn't be surprise if i hear DEALY again
lol they compare home with barbie dolls lol hahahahaha thats fu<k up lol but funny hahahahah
these are 3 fools
calling them fools would be an understatement
pacter got it wrong because i find that more annoying abusive kids are on xbox live. i dont get them that much on psn. i dont even know why they let pacter talk about games because he knows f*** all about them. the only time he is correct on predictions is when he says sumet stupid like gears of war 2 will sell millions of copies but thats god damn obvious.
Good thing about PSN is that Sony doesn't include headsets with PS3s which means the retards who don't know about them don't bother getting one. But when there are people with mics, they're really nice and don't scream in my ear. :)
Haha yeah I'd have to agree with you here. The only recent little kid I've heard over PSN was on Socom and he wasn't annoying at all and surprisingly won a game or two for us. On the other hand, the overwhelming amount of little twerps I've encountered on Halo 3 and GoW is infinite and they really make my ears bleed.
What a lame interview, they give Home NO CHANCE whatsoever. And that chick... I'll hold my tongue. You guys should read the comment that one of the users on GT wrote... it was a huge-ass comment. He totally owned all of these three morons. He was saying that Home has tons of potential and these guys give absolutely no credit, and just completely bash PSN and Home. There were so many things wrong with what they were saying. I think that the worst was "no one plays PSN". Absolutely ridiculous... Geoff was awesome, he gave Home some credit and knew it had potential but the other three were just simply like "nah." Morons.
I don't care how many people are playing on PSN. I have, one second let me check... 10 games I play online (some a lot more than others) but if I log on to any of them I never have a problem finding a game. I like Geoff and all, but if he is going to have a discussion about online services he needs to get at least one person who is in support of PSN.
Agreed. This was painful to watch.
Agree! One Playstation supporter would be nice. Kinda pointless to have a discussion about a service when they all admitted they don't use it. Was funny tho how they got quiet for a sec and had blank stares when he went around and asked "do you use PSN?". Then they make claims that barely anyone else uses it either. Of course Live is more popular. Live has been going for a much longer time than PSN and 360 came out before PS3. Why not compliment Sony for once for how much progression they have done with PSN in such a short amount of time... At least Geoff tried to lean toward some positive comments but then they were just responded to by more negative statements. The chick was annoying as hell. Basically every response from here was "Live is better". As for Home. I have little excitement for it. But who cares, I'm not being forced to use it. I see it as the equivalent as Wii's Miis and Avatars for 360. Except Home actually seems more in depth and complex yet we only talk crap about it.
All I can say is that they don't exactly understand what the purpose of home is. That dude, the one in that suit (Pachter right?). He says it looks good, but he just doesn't want to be there... The girl who said she just wants to meet up w/ friends and play games, I respect that opinion and it's a valid arguement. IMO, I think she understands it better than the 2 guys. That journalist is pretty much in the same boat as the other dude. Not much to say there. Okay honestly, Home isn't a game or a sim application! Why I would want to be there would be simply because of the ability to visit rooms dedicated to games. I'd love to see room for each developer. The way Sony is allowing 3rd parties to have their own space is awesome. I'd love to check out the Far Cry 2 room, or the Warhawk room, or the GT5 room. It'll be cool if developers hold small events and promotions in their rooms to sort of advertise and promote their games. I also like being able to roam around and just be free of a menu system. I'd have my room, and invite buddies and we'd talk about stuff. Then we'll hop into a game, or even check out an event happening somewhere. There's just so many possibilities with this thing.
This Bonus Round they pulled no punches. It smells like PSN in here. We are going to need a mop.
That's what those 3 are. Home has so much potential its not even funny. Only time eill show its awesomness. They sound like ridiculous fanbrats raining on the pns parade. And that chick looks like a troll. I really hope all fangirls don't look that hideous. PLAY BEYOND NOT BEHIND
someone dosent liek my giant black paperweight i paid 500 dollars for. please, the ps3 is this gens 3do
^ joe = tool
Joe , its nice to see you learned how to write for kids mentally challenged you are an example, congrats :)
Funny video. Just yesterday we were talking about biased sites and I mentioned Gametrailers. My favorite part of this bonus round was when they went around to each person in the group (even the host) and asked "Do you play on PSN?". Each said "NO, we only play Xbox Live". Then they kept saying "I don't like home cuz I just want to turn on the system and play a game which I can do with Xbox". Umm, ya you can do that with Playstation as well. As far as I'm concerned PSN is pretty much almost on the same level as Live. Now they are resorting to bashing PSN for being free....wtf. "It will bring idiots cause it is free". Ya cuz Live has no idiots on it.... and just for the record I've had Xbox 360 since launch and got a PS3 2-3 months or so after launch. So I've played on both online systems since nearly the beginning of this generation. I had an Xbox and PS2, PS1 as well.
towards the end how they have the right to talk about the PSN if they never played they should of got people that played both sides of the fields now you know there's Xbots Professional's and the video proved it I have to pay to listen to little kids brag all in my hear i'm sorry that's just sad man and how Patcher (the xbot) say because psn is free there little brats screaming thru the mic how does that make sense. is he serious????
PSN > xbl
Wow very biased video. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand these fools are clearly biased. Free is not always better but in these case it is. I have had my PS3 going on 2 years now and guess what I have not spent a dime to play online. If the PS3 started doing this mandatory payment I would stop buying certain multiplayer games in a heartbeat.
mr i just joined the site to troll. your gay