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IGN: Star Wars the Clone Wars: Lightsaber Duels Review

IGN writes: "This newest Star Wars title comes from development house Krome Studios, which recently released The Force Unleashed for Nintendo's console. If you bought the latter game, you will have undoubtedly tried its multiplayer duel mode, a supplemental feature allowing Jedi and Sith to face off in arena-based multiplayer fights to the death. Clone Wars: Lightsaber Duels, based on the movie and animated series of the same brand, is a whole project which revolves around Unleashed's secondary feature, and yet for some perplexing reason it feels both shallower and less refined. I presume this is because it also happens to be a title that skews younger, just like the aforementioned film and ongoing series".

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Xander-RKoS3315d ago

That review seems kind of harsh....like, they give it a completely bad score despite saying that it controls and looks pretty good. I mean...it seems they are blaming the developers for their own high expectations, because Naruto: Clash of Ninjas Revolution 2 seems to be getting higher reviews despite being nothing but waggle....so now I'm really confused, reviewers seemingly hate waggle, yet...don't actually like games that have more precise controls.

BrotherNick3315d ago

Reviewers are stupid really...this game is meant for kids, you review it as a game that your kid would play, not what you would play. :\

ChickeyCantor3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

Brother Nick,
Exactly how i think about Wii-music.(not saying Wii music would have been the "sh/t" for me.)
It kinda makes me pissed how Reviewers force everything into their own perspective.

Remember that "Dora" game getting a 9 ?
I bet IGN would force that game to be "hardcore" and give it a 2 out of 10.

So yes reviewers are stupid, and those who put reviews as their "believes" wether to buy a game or not is more stupid.

You both get a bubble!...
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jtucker783315d ago

Not sure I agree with you guys on this occasion.

This statement BrotherNick: "this game is meant for kids, you review it as a game that your kid would play, not what you would play."

No you don't. That's completely wrong. You review it so that the review is applicable to your core demographic - or the typical viewer of your website - which in IGN's case is the gamer.

If I visited IGN and saw a rave review for Wii Music, went out, bought it and found out what it was really like then I'd lose faith in them.

Think of it this way. How would an extreme sports magazine review playing a game of chess?
And on the other hand how would an IQ brain training magazine review skateboarding?

A good reviewer should base their review on his audience. He isn't going to write a review based on a minority.

Toys R Us or a children's magazine should give this game a good review, IGN shouldn't.

ChickeyCantor3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

"You review it so that the review is applicable to your core demographic "

No you review it as it were for the correct audience.

If we go by that logic, they shouldn't be reviewing it in the first place because it was never meant for them.
It's pointless if you force everything in your own perspective.

Also, there are some "gamers" like the reviewer who actually might love this game...so in what way is a reviewers "score" justified?
To hell with ratings.

edit:

Why shouldn't IGN score this higher?
It's not impossible for IGN to love this game in their opinion if they think it was great even though it wasn't really aimed at them, so why should only a Toys R us review this game good?
Like i said, even if they loved it, someone else could hate it and vice versa...so whats the point in reviewing this from your egocentric perspective? it wasn't aimed at you to begin with.

jtucker783315d ago

"If we go by that logic, they shouldn't be reviewing it in the first place because it was never meant for them."

Perhaps, but Star Wars the Clone Wars: Lightsaber Duels is a game, so maybe it is worth IGN reviewing it so that core gamers know that it isn't for them - readers of IGN.

Matt is a gamer. He can only give his opinion AS A Gamer. Note that he even says that perhaps an under 10 would enjoy it. A 10 year old might not enjoy it, I don't know - he doesn't know. Do you know that a 10 year old will definitely like this game.
Are you saying that IGN should do child play tests? Child Marketing?
That isn't what they are about.

"Why shouldn't IGN score this higher?"
-> If they like the game by all means mark it higher. But they didn't.... so they didn't
IGN have chosen their target audience, they are gamers like their audience and they know what gamers like, because they are gamers, so they write reviews for gamers.

"It's not impossible for IGN to love this game in their opinion if they think it was great, so why should only a Toys R us review this game good?"

You keep saying that why shouldn't they score it higher if they liked it. They don't like it.
If you read the review it's pretty damning. Matt doesn't seem to enjoy this game at all.

Now for a life lesson:

A topless women in a t1tty magazine is rated on her chest, even if she is a collage professor.

A political candidate in a news column is rated on his policies, not on his physical condition.

A game is rated on a core gamer website as a core game.

What I'm teaching you now, is the way the world works. You write FOR your reader.
AND you can only write about how YOU feel about something. Matt can't write that a 10 will love it. He can write that it is likely they will like it, but at the end of the day he is giving his opinion on this game.

"It's pointless if you force everything in your own perspective."
Not my perspective.
This is how the world works - consider this a free lesson.
When you get older and you start reading newspapers you will learn that every publication has it's stance - even in newspapers where they are supposed to be completely objective. Depending on the journalists some are more left wing, some right.
Look at websites - XBoxKings - they prefer XBox. Wiirincontrol - Nintendo.
Writers write about what they like. If you don't like it, don't go to their sites. I like Matt's reviews, we have similar tastes in games, so I go to IGN.
If you don't like Matt's opinion don't read his reviews. He isn't a child and hasn't reviewed the game as such.

butterfinger3315d ago

Bubbles, jtucker. You always have to keep in mind who the audience is, first and foremost.

ChickeyCantor3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

Jtucker,

You are basically saying Dora should be reviewed by a Kid, since no adult can give his opinion to his audience if they are kids.

You don't see him review Dora? Because he knows it is not meant for him.

"Writers write about what they like."

And that's the main problem, People take these ratings serious.
If you don't review something with the right perspective it's biased by default.
These opinion are being taken serious by other gamers, while in fact some of them might actually like it.

I'm not saying he shouldn't review it, all I'm saying is that the perspective he is looking at this game from, won't do any good since it's not meant for that "hardcore" mentality.

We can all label these things as GAMES but the target audience is different. I'm not saying his opinion doesn't matter ( well it doesn't to me actually).

edit:
"You keep saying that why shouldn't they score it higher if they liked it. They don't like it. "

No what i tried saying was that you said that Toys R us SHOULD give it a highscore...just because it's for kids...
Why couldn't this guy give it a high score by looking at it from the right perspective?
That's my problem with reviewers.
But why do i even bother, i don't read reviews their opinion is not my opinion like 99% of the time.

edit edit:
To each his own, but reviewers pretty much kill the reputation of stuff while there are people who might have liked it and now feel like his opinion is the truth.
To hell with ratings that's all i want.

jtucker783315d ago

Let's take Mario as an example.
Cartoony graphics, squeaky little animals, "yippee" sound effects, kiddy music.
So should IGN not bother with this game because it isn't aimed at adults?
Of course they should review it, because Mario Galaxy is bl00dy fantastic and core gamers need to know that even though it is kiddy that they should definitely get this.

Now comes Clone Wars, a spin off of adult movies that although has cartoony graphics for kids has lightsaber fighting action. I know loads of old school Star Wars fans that want to know if the lightsaber fights work.
So IGN should just leave this game without reviewing it should they?
No, they review it so that "their" audience knows if it is for them or not.
Simple. Thanks IGN I know not to buy this for myself. (But maybe it is good for a kid, but I'm not going to get the opinion of a core gamer for that am I?)
Like I keep reiterating that doesn't mean that children won't enjoy it. It just means a "core" gamer from a "core" gaming website has told the "core" gamer readers that they probably won't enjoy it. Thanks Matt that has helped me know that I shouldn't buy it FOR ME.

Out of interest how many children under 10 visit IGN do you think? Half of viewers. A third? A twentieth?
IGN should hire children's journalists in an effort to appeal to a tiny percentage of their readers should they?

Sly Cooper 2 - kiddy game. But actually really good game for core gamers. Should IGN have left this game because it is kiddy?
No, they reviewed it to see what it was like, which was a good job because it is a good game.
Ratchet and Clank leave that too, because it's a kiddy game?
No, review that as well, and what do you know great game.
Smash Brothers Brawl? Mario Kart?

All of these are kiddy "appearing games" that have been reviewed, because IGN reviews GAMES and "we" as "core" gamers need to know if these games offer up "core" experiences.
Clone Wars had potential to offer a core experience. It didn't. And now we know. Good job, Matt.

Now if you are thinking of buying the game for a young child find a kid's website to read their review. You never know they might say their 9 year old tried it and hated it - in which case it is still a 5.3 Maybe it's a 10. Who knows.
Matt doesn't know - he's a core gamer.

Like I keep saying don't go to IGN expecting them to review games as if they are kids, or as if they are pensioners, or as if they are space aliens - you'll only get disappointed. They are core gamers and they review as core gamers.

Now, you can keep saying they should do this, they should do that.
That's your opinion sidar, and you are entitled to it.
I'm just telling you why they do what they do.
I'm sorry if you don't like the way they operate, but neither of us can change that by arguing with each other.
As they say "it is what it is".

ChickeyCantor3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

"So should IGN not bother with this game because it isn't aimed at adults?"

You got this one wrong,
Mario's target audience is everyone.
However this game is aimed at kids who watch the cartoons on Cartoon network.(and of course the standard Starwars fans)

BIG DIFFERENCE.

"All of these are kiddy "appearing games" that have been reviewed, because IGN reviews GAMES and "we" as "core" gamers need to know if these games offer up "core" experiences."

Why?
If it wasn't targeted at you, then why do you need a review to tell you that it's not meant for you?
Pretty obvious is it not?

Saying they review as core gamers is total nonsense, since "core" gamers arent all the same ;).

"Matt doesn't know - he's a core gamer."
Exactly, like i said and people take him serious. His opinion has lots of impact it can easily break things.
But what does he know? he's a core gamer. =P

I'm not saying they should do what i am saying, i just rather see them review things from a different perspective.

edit:
Because certain things work in a way doesn't mean i should agree and accept that? Or that it is by definition "correct".

I know what you are getting at, but you said you didn't agree with me and the other...so there ya go.

butterfinger3315d ago

doesn't have to be reviewed by a kid and the target audience may not always be children. Most of the time 10 year olds or younger children won't read publications about video games and review scores. The people that may see those; their parents. IGN is not catering to parents, they are catering to gamers like "us". Why don't you try the game and write your own review of it if you disagree, but I'm not surprised by this score at all. Personally, I'm sick of the Star Wars franchise now, and I love the movies.

jtucker783315d ago

"If it wasn't targeted at you, then why do you need a review to tell you that it's not meant for you?
Pretty obvious is it not? "

No.

If Mario wasn't so famous, how would anyone know who the game was targeted at?
Let's say Mario Galaxy was the first Mario game ever. Most Adults would look at the early screenshots and dismiss the game as a silly kiddy title because it looks like a cartoon.
It's only when the REVIEW turns up in a credible core gamer website that people realise the game is excellent and worth buying.
Funnily enough some people don't follow every game, so don't know until they read a review.

Now this brings me on to Clone Wars - which looks no-where near as kiddy as Mario. There are no other Clone Wars games out there. So I have no idea who it's aimed at. I'm also 31 years old so I don't watch Cartoon Network. That is where the review comes in handy.

A review is where a lot of people find out if something IS targeted at them, because you are going to a reviewer that has a similar opinion to yourself.
What do you think the purpose of a review is if not to inform your choice before purchasing?

How many games do you buy before reading a review from a reviewer you trust?

You don't know if something is targeted at you if you don't read or hear anything about it.

I've not been following this game at all so I've had no idea who it was targeted at. I figured it would be a Star Wars game, but with cartoony graphics. I only read this review because I was interested in the lightsaber battles.
THIS REVIEW told me that the game is no good AS A CORE GAME.
THAT is how I found out who it is targeted at.

Matt Casamassina: "Clone Wars: Lightsaber Duels, based on the movie and animated series of the same brand, is a whole project which revolves around Unleashed's secondary feature, and yet for some perplexing reason it feels both shallower and less refined. I presume this is because it also happens to be a title that skews younger"

Ahhh, so Matt presumes that the game is tailored towards the younger player. Doesn't sound like he knew that was "definitely" the case before he started playing it to REVIEW it does it?
And now thanks to him I now know it too.

Does that make sense?

Is there anyone else out there that fancies commenting?
Are the concepts I'm talking about really that hard to grasp?

ChickeyCantor3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

" So I have no idea who it's aimed at "

Doing little research instead of reading a review would be the same thing.

" Doesn't sound like he knew that was "definitely" the case before he started playing it to REVIEW it does it? "

So with other words he didn't do his own Research, meaning that he first says it's not a great game and then he realizes it's not aimed at him to begin with?

That's just stupid, honestly, if you don't know what you are reviewing then don't review at all.

And don't pretend i don't understand you, but to force something in to your own perspective while it was never meant to be looked trough that perspective to begin with, makes the review flawed. Because there is no point in reviewing it. IT wasn't meant for him.

If you never heard of the series a simple "title searching" on Google would have said enough.

It's utterly BS that Matt wasn't certain about it not being a " kids " game, the Series are known for it(at least these cartoons).

jtucker783315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

Core Gamer: I noticed Clone Wars has come out how come you don't have it on your website.

Matt C: Because it isn't a core game.

Core Gamer: But I thought the Lightsaber battles sounded fun, that sounds pretty core to me. I wanted to know what the game was like.

Matt C: Yeah, but it isn't Core so I've not written a review. And we're not going to talk about it or even feature it on our website.

Core Gamer: But how do you know it isn't core. Have you tried it?

Matt C: Yeah, I've researched it and played it. So you can trust me - it isn't core. So I'm not writing a review.

Core Gamer: But what about the lightsabers surely gamers will want to fight with lightsabers. Clone Wars might be a kids show but lightsabers - they're cool. Mario is pretty kiddy looking but that is a good game.

Matt C: Yeah but Mario is a core game. Clone Wars isn't. You'll have to take my word with no explanation, because if I explain why then I may as well write a review of it.
Maybe you do like the idea of lightsaber battles but this is a kids game so I'm not going to write anything about how well the lightsaber sections work as this game is not for you.
Core gamers should not know how well it works in case it happens to work badly and I write a bad review and that puts children off the game.
All you need to know is that isn't for you.

Core Gamer: But under 10 year olds don't come to IGN.

Matt C: Actually, we get 14 children visit us every year.

Core Gamer: So you aren't going to write any articles, features or reviews telling core gamers what this game is about or even like, even though you've researched it and played it, just because you don't want to upset 14 children?

Matt C: Correct.

<later>

Core Gamer: You f*cker. Why couldn't you just tell me it was crap? The lightsaber battles don't work very well. The game is repetitive, there aren't many characters and the animation is poor. Why couldn't you just give it to us straight?

Matt C: I'm not allowed to give you a core gamers perspective even though we are a GAMING website because we can't give a gamers review about a game that isn't a core game.

EDIT:
What if the game is a kids game, but is really good and adults would really enjoy it, should Matt write a review then?

But if it's a kids game is sh1t for adults but might be good for kids then don't write a review?

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JonahNL3315d ago

Well, it seems my Wii will keep collecting dust the next few months... I haven't even played Brawl for quite a while now... Which is a shame. Desperately waiting for MadWorld and The Conduit!