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green3682d ago (Edited 3682d ago )

So Microsoft was right

happyface3682d ago

if ps3 is getting outsold 2 to 1 at the holidays they're just hosed

Little Big Planet comes out and no casuals buy ps3s for it?

R2 comes out and no one buys ps triples?

Breakfast3682d ago

2008 is the year of the ps3.

Im glad all the hoopla is over.
I can rest now.


RSX3682d ago

R2 Didnt come out in October.

LightningPS33682d ago

what's it gonna take for Sony to understand that they can't compete with the prices being the way they are right now.

Right now it's only 180k, which is almost 2-1. But this it's a sign that it's gonna get very bad in November and December.

shazam3682d ago

im sorry but even squirrel logic tells us that R2 came out in november and lbp came out in late october (the 28th) and this is october npd not november. and squirrels will go all the way back to the side of the road they started if a car comes, even if they are more than three quarters of the way across. so clearly some of the people above me are dumber than squirrels.

Danja3682d ago

The 360 had a major price cut in October what did you guy expect to happen...

R2 came out Novemeber 4th , LBP Oct.28th....

Ne ways the PS3 still selling well....and im enjoying R2 , LBP ,M2 and Socom currently so im not losing out...on nothing..!! ^.^

green3682d ago (Edited 3682d ago )

So what about fallout 3?Didn't fallout 3 drop on the 28th as well?So how come the 360 version of fallout 3 outsold LBP by 150,000 copies?

Evaluate yourself from head to toe properly before calling people dumb.

Ju3682d ago

Guess Sony perfectly understands that without a price cut they loose big - if you would consider success is solely based on numbers sold. For them, however, it could mean, find a way to justify not to sink even more money into the business, but getting some in return. Well, now, if you have a huge margin to play with, well, yes, then #sold will have an impact on your bottom line. However, if you just kill your profits or, worse, increase your debt, you'd think twice if you want to sell more.

No doubt, lowering the price will sell more PS3s. And it is a pain for a customer to go out buy a "toy" for $400 right now. I understand. But from a business perspective, they won't lower the price unless they can reduce the costs even further until this makes sense. No whining in the world will change that.

I am pretty sure there is a road map to a price cut, just - as a pity for some - it won't happen this year. But, compares to MS (not to Nintendo, I guess), there is room to get the price down. Wii can also go down below $200, I suppose, but will the 360 ever drop further ? I give MS the benefit of the moment, it'll be way harder as soon as PS3 hits $299, which it will sooner or later.

BrunoM3682d ago

hey sup guys well im not gona be here trying to fight other IDEAS but just in case u guys dont know the ps3 has still out sould the 360 ALL year (and by that i mean world sale for all of 08 so far)

and in a all SONY is doing great psp ps2 (wow there) and the ps3 ..

Breakfast3682d ago (Edited 3682d ago )

...But they lost in the playoffs.

Metaphor for Sony, if you didnt know.


Mods happened to my bubbles. Dont step on their toes, on touchy warning you :(

I just won a small victory here Danja....dont take that away from me.

Danja3682d ago

damn Breakfast ..what happened to ur bubbles dude..?

so in other words you mean the 360 might be outselling the PS3 for the while..but the PS3 will eventually overtake the 360 total install base...when it's all said and done...LOL..!

jwatt3682d ago

Wow good numbers for the 360 with it's price cut but that was expected. I thought the ps3 would be a little higher, I think the 200 mark would have been just right. I would have to say the 360 actually effected the ps3 sales this time around. I also think the main contribution to this was Price cut plus Rockband being exclusive for a month. I think Nov is going to go to the 360 also with gears of war.

Even with the Numbers, I know Sony is not worried and expected these kind of results because they're were not going to give the ps3 a price cut. I think the ps3 still held it's own though.

Smacktard3682d ago

How can the PS3 be selling well if the PS2 is creeping close to them in sales numbers? Please, someone explain this to me.

gambare3682d ago

I wonder if those numbers has something to do with the release of gears 2 and the price cut?

BrunoM3682d ago

humm dont get the disagrees on my coment i mean im just pointing out something that is TRUE and reall .. but W.e but can think what they like ..

So i make it a lil bit easier is like these ... a 3 year old console has a 3 or 2 Mil consoles sale ahead of a 2 year old condole it had about 5 to 6 Mil head start .. but what ever thats not inportant ..

point is In world wide sale these year the year of 08 the ps3 and sony have out sold the Xbox360 ..

(o and just a side note i own all 3 of the consoles and the psp) no fanboi thing just something that is true thats why im pointing it out ..!

RememberThe3573682d ago

What can't you understand? Sony can not afford a price cut right now. Have you seem their losses? They cannot do that right now. Ken Kutaragi, for all he's done for us gamers, put too much into the system. It is true that the PS3 seems future proof but cost cutting did not seem to be apart of the plan at launch. The original PS3 was over engineered and Kutaragi's successor Kaz Hirai, has had one hell of a time making the system profitable. Kazz has massive losses to try to turn around, Making those losses bigger will not help the situation.

Tony P3682d ago

True. I thought MS full of bull and cooperate spin with that 2:1 comment.

Bitter Tears3682d ago





:'( :'(

Lifendz3682d ago

Sony can't lower the price because they need to actually turn a profit on that thing and that they'd rather lose the console war and earn a profit with the PS3 then win the war and bankrupt the company? Just a thought.

kunit22c3682d ago

BrunoM its not that good of an idea to be bringing up the ps2 considering that it is pretty close to the ps3 in sales, also the fact that the ps2 and ps3 sales added togather dont equal the 360's or the wii's sales, and add togather psp, ps2 and ps3 and the still dont even have as many sales as wii and barely beats the DS. And all the ps2 shows is that sony doesnt have complete trust in the ps3. So i suggest no sony fanboy bring up the ps2.

likedamaster3682d ago


The 360 just beat out PS3 on YTD sales, not by much but still on top. That's probably why. Look it up, it's there.

Emmo3682d ago

Hopeully now all the PS3 fanboys will shut up about what is coming next, 360 is smashing them.
Message to all PS3 owners, go out and buy some games.

thewhoopimen3682d ago

you 360 fanbois shouldn't be so gleeful. This price cut was meant to take over the Wii not just the ps3. With a starting price that is now $50 less than even the Wii... a sales surge is SUPPOSED to be expected. But the fact of the matter is the Wii STILL beat out the 360 even with price advantage, tech advantage, and even home turf advantage means that 360 is not winning diddly crap anytime soon. Another price drop with the 360 is NEVER going to do anything more at this point. With MS having shown its complete hand, what can the xbox division do now? What will MS use once Sony starts cutting prices? The 1st party ramp up of Sony's is gaining momentum as we speak. Programming tools are matured, technology is perfecting, and multiplats no longer carry a DISTINCT advantage on the 360 side and will continue to lose advantage to 1st party titles that clearly show superior production values.

What will 360 use to hold this advantage now?

vhero3682d ago

I'm sorry but this is US hahaha this is completly pointless you americans stick together like glue. The only reason ppl stick with MS is patriotism BS you got going over there. Making US numbers pretty much meaningless..

Bob Dole3682d ago (Edited 3682d ago )

Who gives a sh1t? Bob Dole sure the hell doesn't. Let sony run their company the way they friggin want to and play some damn games.

SL1M DADDY3681d ago

It's NPD after all. North America only and as we all know, the price cut for MS had the biggest impact on North American numbers and only slight impact on sales elsewhere. Anybody surprised by this hike in sales and braging about it just sounds silly. Not a cent in the pockets of fanboys because of this sales sipke and yet they clammer like they just won the lootery. lol

Guys, the console is half as expensive and the games, being out longer are less costly and there are more of them. Add all that up and the 360 SHOULD be outselling the PS3... It's a no brainer. Heck, I would say it's more embarassing when the PS3 outsells the 360 given the same circumstances.

pavarotti3681d ago (Edited 3681d ago )

the sony army are gonna need time to regroup after seeing that. a few good rrod, why pay for live? and disc scratching threads will help heal some wounds, and give them a chance of lifting their demoralised spirits....especially as the ps2 was snapping at the ps3s heels again.

man the wii must be selling at the rate the ps2 was last gen surely?

slim daddy: embarassing for microsoft when sony outsells them?? leave it out mate. after 10 years of total domination, and a brand as big as playstation, how the f^*k is that embarassing?? i thought sony would leave the gate in 06, and wipe the floor with everybody. instead, they're probably gonna beat the 360 by a mil or two ytd in 08...that's it! it's unbelievable how badly the most recent playstation console is selling compared to it's older brothers.

xhairs93681d ago

Because it was delayed right at launch. Those of us who went to get it and heard it was delayed...still don't have it. I don't plan on getting fallout 3 ever, pretty much because of the fact that I've started my own personal boycott against those games that have exclusive dlc and timed exclusives. It's killing the industry, it's pissing people off, and it's just plain stupid.

majorsuave3681d ago

"1.19 - You guys think maybe
Sony can't lower the price because they need to actually turn a profit on that thing and that they'd rather lose the console war and earn a profit with the PS3 then win the war and bankrupt the company? Just a thought."

Sony make money with Music, TVs, professional TV/Broadcast gear and dozens of other divisions (see they won't bankrupt the company over a division that is probably 1% of their income.

Mainman3681d ago

In 2008, in North-America the PS3 has autsold the 360 by 50600 units including the October NPD numbers. So, PS3 is doing fine if you look at what Microsoft had to to do achieve this months numbers (price-cut).

Just add all of the X360 and PS3 2008 NPD numbers together and you'll see the PS3 still sold more than 50600 units.

But the year isnt over though. There are still 2 more months in 2008.

Personally I think the PS3 will sell more then 360 at the end of the console war. Why? Because if the PS3 can keep up with the 360 sales despite having a higher price, than it can only get better for the PS3.

jadenkorri3681d ago (Edited 3681d ago )

did anyone notice its only north america numbers, not worldwide, i suppose, if something sells in america, means everyone else in the world buys it too....wrong...why cause they know American built stuff never last...althou i do home America does make the machines of our dustruction, we at least have a chance,if Japan does, the freaking things are gonna be solar powered, self repairing, self replicating dustructive machines...

The Lazy One3681d ago

No it hasn't. YTD sales in NA are as follows:

Wii 5,981,000 (55.0%, +0.6%)
360 2,459,200 (22.6%, +0.7%)
PS3 2,441,400 (22.4%, -1.3%)

360 just pulled ahead in october, and if it stays ahead with this momentum, it'll probably come out over a couple hundred thousand if not more.

I am in a constant state of disbelief in how much the wii sells.

The Lazy One3681d ago

October was a 4 week month, September was 5.

the PS3 actually sold 2% better per week in october than september.

callahan093681d ago (Edited 3681d ago )

Half the price, twice the sales. Makes sense to me.

Edit: @Happy Face. Come on now... system sellers don't usually work as zero day effects. It's not like somebody who wants LittleBigPlanet is waiting for the day the game comes out to buy the console to play it on. People have been buying PS3's for two years now, and many of them were partially (and some wholly, I'm sure) influenced by the existence and prospect of LittleBigPlanet. Others will be buying it gradually as they get paychecks, or realize that it is actually finally out, etc. (remember, a lot of people had no clue when they could actually go buy it due to the confusing delay). As more gamers who haven't entered the next gen (read: this gen) or bought a PS3 find out about LittleBigPlanet and decide that they want it, they will buy PS3's. It's not a day one factor on system sales. It will, however, have an effect this holiday. Or, at least, it should (ideally).

The game was only out for 3 full sales days in October, and even considering that many stores didn't get them until November for some reason unbeknownst to me.

Also, Resistance 2 wasn't out in October at all.

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Dark3603682d ago

Droids Alert...Droids Alert...Droids Alert...Droids Alert...Droids Alert...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sir_Ken_Kutaragi3682d ago

The 'xBox 360' is cheaper than the 'Wii' in the U.S.of.A and it still can't beat the 'Wii'!!! ;-D ;-D ;-D

What is it, 20'ish Million xBox 360's sold in 3 years???
20 Million Divided in to 3 Million = 6.6 Million'ish??? ;-D ;-D ;-D
xBox 360 = FAIL

Snake Raiser3682d ago

This reminds me of mgs3... when snake (BIG BOSS) was betrayed by The Boss... But in the end BIG BOSS won.

World wide the ps3 I am sure did better than this. x360 always does well in the U.S. You couldn't have expected PS3 to win the U.S.. No time soon...

Bitter Tears3682d ago


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JasonPC360PS3Wii3681d ago

Wii 803
360 371
PS3 190

PS3 + 3rd + decline = fail

You have no argument, so you use the Wii to say 360 fails, even though your name is Sir_Ken_Kutaragi (((desperate)))

Wii 803
360 371

If you think thats bad look at it this away

Wii 803
PS3 190 <--- HAHA!!!

Chew on that sh!t. Whats it taste like? I bet it taste like pwned.

BLuKhaos3681d ago

I warned you guys that karma was going to come back to bite us in the ass.Well let the bots enjoy their anal sex celebration.

theKiller3681d ago (Edited 3681d ago )

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah finally 360 beat the sh*t out of ps3!!

now sony finally can start to think of a really price cut soon, they need it at least in the cheap people in america!!

i hope this will be a lesson for sony to stop have so much confident in their sales, people r not dying to have HD console that cost 400$, they wanna play great games, but also they dont want to replace their console every month and wait another month to get it back, the reality both ps3 and 360 are not giving the masses a reason to move to the real next gen of gaming!

ps3 will need a price cut this november or in december if they want to hold ground in the cheap USA!

400 USD for ps3 is more than worth it and u get much more then its real price but it doesnt change the fact that 400 USD in this world crisis is still a lot, the problem with sony is that they dont make price cuts until they see their sales goes down so i hope it even goes more down.

when u see ps3 is 299 USD then things will be like a night mare for 360! but i still think its too late for a price cut now!! maybe if they make one in december with huge advertising then we will see a huge spike in sales, something like 1000% increase!

Hentai3681d ago

371,000 people need to go get laid

Sir_Ken_Kutaragi3681d ago

It's TRUE!!! what i said tho before??? ;-D

The 'xBox 360' is cheaper than the 'Wii'???

SO -

It SHOULD sell more than the 'Wii'??? Why not???

Or don't it work that way!!! ;-D ;-D ;-D I don't get it then!!! ;-D

Sorry My Little xBot Zombie Cavemen Lemmings!!! That's a FAIL!!! ;-D

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BIoodmask3682d ago (Edited 3682d ago )

It is almost a 2 to 1 ratio for all three consoles. Wii outsells 360 roughly 2 to 1. Xbox 360 outsells PS3 roughly 2 to 1.

The price cut for Microsoft seems to have had a positive effect on sales. Not to mention this is one of the biggest months for sales all year being that the Holiday season is upon us. November and December will most likely be bigger.

happyface3682d ago

Little Big Planet and R2 come and and PS3 sales DROP and 360 outsells it 2 to 1????

Sonys biggest games of the year come out and they get crushed, Little Big Planet didn't sell any consoles to casuals AT ALL? No one bought a ps3 for R2?

solar3682d ago

my ps3 is collecting dust right now.

XXXCouture3682d ago

lol at your disagrees. some apparently cannot accept the box outsold the ps. anyway happyface i think the ps' sales will rise in the next coming months

PirateThom3682d ago

Resistance 2 was November 4th, it's not going to affect October.... wow...

ericnellie3682d ago

This isnt' flame bait or VGChart numbers. This is the real deal - PS3 got pwned even with LBP and R2. They are triple A titles but what good are triple A titles if no ones buying them?

Danja3682d ago

LBP came out October 28th ,R2 came out November 4th...

way to go making urself look like a dumba$$...

now lets talk about how the 360 is cheaper than a Wii but still gets outsold by 2:1 margin also..?

Dannagar3682d ago

It's funny, I had money set aside for Little Big Planet. I had it pre-ordered. When it didn't come out, I ended up spending the money on other games. I'm still plenty occupied with the games I bought. I'm still not sure when I'll pick up Little Big Planet. However, I'm very happy with Fable II.

jaysquared3682d ago (Edited 3682d ago )

It doesn't matter when R2 was released if LBP didn't do squat to the PS3 sales when every fanboy on this site proclaimed it was going to help the PS3 overtake the 360 and it didn't then R2 isn't going to do squat! Face it every Sony fans on this site proclaimed LBP was going to catapult the PS3 to the top and it didn't. The PS3 doesn't have anything left in the bag to overtake the 360 now. The fact that every Sony fan on this site put so much hype into LBP and it didn't deliver then I can safely say KZ2 will do the same thing. FF XIII is now on the 360 even though its only in N. America and Europe. I can honesly say now that the PS3 will never catch up on the 360s install base in N. America unless Sony drops the price of the PS3 at the same price as the 360. PS3 will come in last in console sales this gen behind the Wii and the 360. And please stop proclaiming which year the PS3 will take over because it will never happen.

@below- Funny cuz gears were able to sell 2 million in 2 days. Fallout 3 was able to sell 500k for 2 days. Halo3 were able to sell 3 million in 2 days.. A lot can be done in two days. Who's the idiot now?

Billabong3682d ago

Yea... 2 days of LBP being on sale at the end of the month is going to get MAJOR sales!!


likedamaster3682d ago

2.1 million in 24 hours. It will be chart topper for Nov.08

xhairs93681d ago

I never proclaimed that...strange because you said everyone proclaimed it would :/

There's nothing wrong with LBP, the only reason why it got shot in the foot so bad was because of the fact that it came out in the middle of a bunch of games, low advertising, and the mother load of them all was the fact that it was DELAYED at launch for another week or two (I can't remember). When I learned I had to wait another 2 weeks for the game I just bought another game and haven't been back yet until I'm done playing these games.

It's kind of sad that it came to this because I really wanted to get on this game, but at the same time I can't afford rockband for $250 and another crapload of 6 games. It's ridiculous.

cheapndirty3681d ago

The greater supply of Wii hardware at retail is evident in the sales figures for the month with the Wii enjoying its best sales month outside of last November and December.

The price reduction on the Xbox 360 is paying dividends at retail as the platform realized a 7% unit sales increase over September. Keeping in mind that September was a 5-week month while October had four, the sales pace increased 33%.

The PS3 realized the greatest year-over-year monthly unit sales increase at 57%.

The Lazy One3681d ago

It came out the 28th, but so did fallout 3, and fallout 3 still outsold LBP with much less hype.

JD_Shadow3681d ago

Why do you keep trying to compare the two games. Fallout 3 doesn't have a bundle coming out soon, LBP does (which might also explain the sales figures, too). Fallout 3 is more of the hardcore gamers that will buy that game regardless and for some reason thinks "casual games" is a four-letter word and that they are radioactive somehow to the hardcore base.

Seriously, stop comparing the two. They aren't the same thing and Fallout 3 did come out first, if I remember correctly.

Oh, and LBP is an exclusive, Fallout 3 came out on the 360, too, which might explain why Fallout 3 sold more units in your factor (you're including the combined number it sold across all the systems).

The Lazy One3681d ago

They were both released on the 28th, and the sales for a single version of fallout 3 were more than 100k more than LBP.

Considering the buzz around both games, LBP should have sold a lot more.

Halo 3 sold almost 5 times as much ON IT'S FIRST DAY. I know it wouldn't sell that good, but considering this was the xbox killing game of this holiday, it should have done a lot better.

callahan093681d ago

Umm, happyface, don't get carried away now. These sales are for OCTOBER, not NOVEMBER.

LittleBigPlanet came out 2 days before the end of October, and its momentum was admittedly killed by delays, shipping issues, and server problems at launch and I didn't even start seeing commercials for the game during shows like The Daily Show and South Park until the first week of November, so I expect that LittleBigPlanet is a title that will only pique the interest of more non-PS3 owners (read: to influence system sales) on a gradual basis, and obviously not on a zero day basis.

And Resistance 2 didn't come out until November.

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Omega43682d ago

So even with LBP ("the system seller") the PS3 actually fell in sales from last month.....OUCH!!

Sony better drop the price NOW or their holiday season my be VERY disappointing

BTW great sales for 360 a nice healthy increase

Peekay3682d ago

be daft. LBP was released 8 days after Fable 2. I doubt we would see the effects of this game being a "system seller" in two days. Mind you the PS3s #s are still pretty crap. Hopefully do better next month =D

RSX3682d ago

LBP Realeased on October the 28th
So i dont see how it was supposed to help Ps3 with 3 days of sales.

Good Month for the 360 though.
Wii Dominates all as always.
And Ps3 comes in last out of the 3, almost as always.

Sony really need to start marketing Ps3 and other potential products. Everytime i turn on the tv i see an xbox 360 advert mainly focused around the arcades price.

shysun3682d ago

LBP was delayed and it wasn't clear when it would be released. I think it came out on the 28th MAYBE?!? So It wouldn't have very little to no impact on last months sales.

RememberThe3573682d ago

Like shysun already said, the release date was fuzzy, and for that the game did pathetically at launch. Sony blew it, just face it. Those guys at SCEE are morons, they got great dev teams, but the top brass there seem completely incapable of doing things right. I see sales higher next month, but not by much. We'll find out.

wicked3681d ago

It does not matter when LBP was released, it is not selling well, last time I looked it was a #35 on Amazon, hardly storming the charts. Lets hope R2 does better, but here in the UK it is not released until Nov 28th.

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edhe3682d ago

Price cut + fable2 + gow2 = big business.

Well done MS, not make sure Live lives up to the strain over the holiday puhleaze.

slugg3682d ago

More the price cut than Fable and Gears, but Novembers numbers could be even more amazing-- add Fallout, Call of Duty, and 2 more exclusives, Banjo, and Left 4 dead.... whoo boy. Does Sony even have any other exlclusive coming out after Resistance 2? If not, that and price could kill them this holiday....