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Submitted by morriss 2647d ago | news

October NPD raw data - Wii sales soar, 360 flattens PS3

PlayStation 2 136K
PlayStation 3 190K
PSP 193K
Xbox 360 371K
Wii 803K
Nintendo DS 491K (Industry, Nintendo DS, PS3, PSP, Wii, Xbox 360)

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green  +   2647d ago
So Microsoft was right
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happyface  +   2647d ago
if ps3 is getting outsold 2 to 1 at the holidays they're just hosed

Little Big Planet comes out and no casuals buy ps3s for it?

R2 comes out and no one buys ps triples?
Breakfast  +   2647d ago
Their you have it folks.
2008 is the year of the ps3.

Im glad all the hoopla is over.
I can rest now.

RSX  +   2647d ago
R2 Didnt come out in October.
LightningPS3  +   2647d ago
it's a joke
what's it gonna take for Sony to understand that they can't compete with the prices being the way they are right now.

Right now it's only 180k, which is almost 2-1. But this it's a sign that it's gonna get very bad in November and December.
shazam  +   2647d ago
im sorry but even squirrel logic tells us that R2 came out in november and lbp came out in late october (the 28th) and this is october npd not november. and squirrels will go all the way back to the side of the road they started if a car comes, even if they are more than three quarters of the way across. so clearly some of the people above me are dumber than squirrels.
Danja  +   2647d ago
The 360 had a major price cut in October what did you guy expect to happen...

R2 came out Novemeber 4th , LBP Oct.28th....

Ne ways the PS3 still selling well....and im enjoying R2 , LBP ,M2 and Socom currently so im not losing out...on nothing..!! ^.^
green  +   2647d ago
@ Shazam
So what about fallout 3?Didn't fallout 3 drop on the 28th as well?So how come the 360 version of fallout 3 outsold LBP by 150,000 copies?

Evaluate yourself from head to toe properly before calling people dumb.
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Ju  +   2647d ago
Guess Sony perfectly understands that without a price cut they loose big - if you would consider success is solely based on numbers sold. For them, however, it could mean, find a way to justify not to sink even more money into the business, but getting some in return. Well, now, if you have a huge margin to play with, well, yes, then #sold will have an impact on your bottom line. However, if you just kill your profits or, worse, increase your debt, you'd think twice if you want to sell more.

No doubt, lowering the price will sell more PS3s. And it is a pain for a customer to go out buy a "toy" for $400 right now. I understand. But from a business perspective, they won't lower the price unless they can reduce the costs even further until this makes sense. No whining in the world will change that.

I am pretty sure there is a road map to a price cut, just - as a pity for some - it won't happen this year. But, compares to MS (not to Nintendo, I guess), there is room to get the price down. Wii can also go down below $200, I suppose, but will the 360 ever drop further ? I give MS the benefit of the moment, it'll be way harder as soon as PS3 hits $299, which it will sooner or later.
BrunoM  +   2647d ago
hey sup guys well im not gona be here trying to fight other IDEAS but just in case u guys dont know the ps3 has still out sould the 360 ALL year (and by that i mean world sale for all of 08 so far)

and in a all SONY is doing great psp ps2 (wow there) and the ps3 ..
Breakfast  +   2647d ago
New England Patriots won every game in the regurlar season...
...But they lost in the playoffs.

Metaphor for Sony, if you didnt know.


Mods happened to my bubbles. Dont step on their toes, on touchy warning you :(

I just won a small victory here Danja....dont take that away from me.
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Danja  +   2647d ago
damn Breakfast ..what happened to ur bubbles dude..?

so in other words you mean the 360 might be outselling the PS3 for the while..but the PS3 will eventually overtake the 360 total install base...when it's all said and done...LOL..!
jwatt  +   2647d ago
Wow good numbers for the 360 with it's price cut but that was expected. I thought the ps3 would be a little higher, I think the 200 mark would have been just right. I would have to say the 360 actually effected the ps3 sales this time around. I also think the main contribution to this was Price cut plus Rockband being exclusive for a month. I think Nov is going to go to the 360 also with gears of war.

Even with the Numbers, I know Sony is not worried and expected these kind of results because they're were not going to give the ps3 a price cut. I think the ps3 still held it's own though.
Smacktard  +   2647d ago
How can the PS3 be selling well if the PS2 is creeping close to them in sales numbers? Please, someone explain this to me.
gambare  +   2647d ago
I wonder if those numbers has something to do with the release of gears 2 and the price cut?
BrunoM  +   2647d ago
humm dont get the disagrees on my coment i mean im just pointing out something that is TRUE and reall .. but W.e but can think what they like ..

So i make it a lil bit easier is like these ... a 3 year old console has a 3 or 2 Mil consoles sale ahead of a 2 year old condole it had about 5 to 6 Mil head start .. but what ever thats not inportant ..

point is In world wide sale these year the year of 08 the ps3 and sony have out sold the Xbox360 ..

(o and just a side note i own all 3 of the consoles and the psp) no fanboi thing just something that is true thats why im pointing it out ..!
RememberThe357  +   2647d ago
What can't you understand? Sony can not afford a price cut right now. Have you seem their losses? They cannot do that right now. Ken Kutaragi, for all he's done for us gamers, put too much into the system. It is true that the PS3 seems future proof but cost cutting did not seem to be apart of the plan at launch. The original PS3 was over engineered and Kutaragi's successor Kaz Hirai, has had one hell of a time making the system profitable. Kazz has massive losses to try to turn around, Making those losses bigger will not help the situation.
Tony P  +   2647d ago
Re: the initial comment
True. I thought MS full of bull and cooperate spin with that 2:1 comment.
Bitter Tears  +   2647d ago




:'( :'(
Lifendz  +   2647d ago
You guys think maybe
Sony can't lower the price because they need to actually turn a profit on that thing and that they'd rather lose the console war and earn a profit with the PS3 then win the war and bankrupt the company? Just a thought.
kunit22c  +   2647d ago
BrunoM its not that good of an idea to be bringing up the ps2 considering that it is pretty close to the ps3 in sales, also the fact that the ps2 and ps3 sales added togather dont equal the 360's or the wii's sales, and add togather psp, ps2 and ps3 and the still dont even have as many sales as wii and barely beats the DS. And all the ps2 shows is that sony doesnt have complete trust in the ps3. So i suggest no sony fanboy bring up the ps2.
likedamaster  +   2647d ago

The 360 just beat out PS3 on YTD sales, not by much but still on top. That's probably why. Look it up, it's there.
Emmo  +   2647d ago
Hopeully now all the PS3 fanboys will shut up about what is coming next, 360 is smashing them.
Message to all PS3 owners, go out and buy some games.
thewhoopimen  +   2647d ago
you 360 fanbois shouldn't be so gleeful. This price cut was meant to take over the Wii not just the ps3. With a starting price that is now $50 less than even the Wii... a sales surge is SUPPOSED to be expected. But the fact of the matter is the Wii STILL beat out the 360 even with price advantage, tech advantage, and even home turf advantage means that 360 is not winning diddly crap anytime soon. Another price drop with the 360 is NEVER going to do anything more at this point. With MS having shown its complete hand, what can the xbox division do now? What will MS use once Sony starts cutting prices? The 1st party ramp up of Sony's is gaining momentum as we speak. Programming tools are matured, technology is perfecting, and multiplats no longer carry a DISTINCT advantage on the 360 side and will continue to lose advantage to 1st party titles that clearly show superior production values.

What will 360 use to hold this advantage now?
vhero  +   2647d ago
I'm sorry but this is US hahaha this is completly pointless you americans stick together like glue. The only reason ppl stick with MS is patriotism BS you got going over there. Making US numbers pretty much meaningless..
Bob Dole  +   2647d ago
Who gives a sh1t? Bob Dole sure the hell doesn't. Let sony run their company the way they friggin want to and play some damn games.
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SL1M DADDY  +   2647d ago
No surprise here.
It's NPD after all. North America only and as we all know, the price cut for MS had the biggest impact on North American numbers and only slight impact on sales elsewhere. Anybody surprised by this hike in sales and braging about it just sounds silly. Not a cent in the pockets of fanboys because of this sales sipke and yet they clammer like they just won the lootery. lol

Guys, the console is half as expensive and the games, being out longer are less costly and there are more of them. Add all that up and the 360 SHOULD be outselling the PS3... It's a no brainer. Heck, I would say it's more embarassing when the PS3 outsells the 360 given the same circumstances.
pavarotti  +   2646d ago
expect a tidal wave of negative 360 threads now
the sony army are gonna need time to regroup after seeing that. a few good rrod, why pay for live? and disc scratching threads will help heal some wounds, and give them a chance of lifting their demoralised spirits....especially as the ps2 was snapping at the ps3s heels again.

man the wii must be selling at the rate the ps2 was last gen surely?

slim daddy: embarassing for microsoft when sony outsells them?? leave it out mate. after 10 years of total domination, and a brand as big as playstation, how the f^*k is that embarassing?? i thought sony would leave the gate in 06, and wipe the floor with everybody. instead, they're probably gonna beat the 360 by a mil or two ytd in 08...that's it! it's unbelievable how badly the most recent playstation console is selling compared to it's older brothers.
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xhairs9  +   2646d ago
Because it was delayed right at launch. Those of us who went to get it and heard it was delayed...still don't have it. I don't plan on getting fallout 3 ever, pretty much because of the fact that I've started my own personal boycott against those games that have exclusive dlc and timed exclusives. It's killing the industry, it's pissing people off, and it's just plain stupid.
majorsuave  +   2646d ago
at 1.19.
"1.19 - You guys think maybe
Sony can't lower the price because they need to actually turn a profit on that thing and that they'd rather lose the console war and earn a profit with the PS3 then win the war and bankrupt the company? Just a thought."

Sony make money with Music, TVs, professional TV/Broadcast gear and dozens of other divisions (see they won't bankrupt the company over a division that is probably 1% of their income.
Mainman  +   2646d ago
In 2008, in North-America the PS3 has autsold the 360 by 50600 units including the October NPD numbers. So, PS3 is doing fine if you look at what Microsoft had to to do achieve this months numbers (price-cut).

Just add all of the X360 and PS3 2008 NPD numbers together and you'll see the PS3 still sold more than 50600 units.

But the year isnt over though. There are still 2 more months in 2008.

Personally I think the PS3 will sell more then 360 at the end of the console war. Why? Because if the PS3 can keep up with the 360 sales despite having a higher price, than it can only get better for the PS3.
jadenkorri  +   2646d ago
did anyone notice its only north america numbers, not worldwide, i suppose, if something sells in america, means everyone else in the world buys it too....wrong...why cause they know American built stuff never last...althou i do home America does make the machines of our dustruction, we at least have a chance,if Japan does, the freaking things are gonna be solar powered, self repairing, self replicating dustructive machines...
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The Lazy One  +   2646d ago
No it hasn't. YTD sales in NA are as follows:

Wii 5,981,000 (55.0%, +0.6%)
360 2,459,200 (22.6%, +0.7%)
PS3 2,441,400 (22.4%, -1.3%)

360 just pulled ahead in october, and if it stays ahead with this momentum, it'll probably come out over a couple hundred thousand if not more.

I am in a constant state of disbelief in how much the wii sells.
The Lazy One  +   2646d ago
Thing to note:
October was a 4 week month, September was 5.

the PS3 actually sold 2% better per week in october than september.
callahan09  +   2646d ago
Half the price, twice the sales. Makes sense to me.

Edit: @Happy Face. Come on now... system sellers don't usually work as zero day effects. It's not like somebody who wants LittleBigPlanet is waiting for the day the game comes out to buy the console to play it on. People have been buying PS3's for two years now, and many of them were partially (and some wholly, I'm sure) influenced by the existence and prospect of LittleBigPlanet. Others will be buying it gradually as they get paychecks, or realize that it is actually finally out, etc. (remember, a lot of people had no clue when they could actually go buy it due to the confusing delay). As more gamers who haven't entered the next gen (read: this gen) or bought a PS3 find out about LittleBigPlanet and decide that they want it, they will buy PS3's. It's not a day one factor on system sales. It will, however, have an effect this holiday. Or, at least, it should (ideally).

The game was only out for 3 full sales days in October, and even considering that many stores didn't get them until November for some reason unbeknownst to me.

Also, Resistance 2 wasn't out in October at all.
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Dark360  +   2647d ago
Droids Alert...HAHAHAHA
Droids Alert...Droids Alert...Droids Alert...Droids Alert...Droids Alert...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sir_Ken_Kutaragi  +   2647d ago
Do you know what is really funny???
The 'xBox 360' is cheaper than the 'Wii' in the U.S.of.A and it still can't beat the 'Wii'!!! ;-D ;-D ;-D

What is it, 20'ish Million xBox 360's sold in 3 years???
20 Million Divided in to 3 Million = 6.6 Million'ish??? ;-D ;-D ;-D
xBox 360 = FAIL
Snake Raiser  +   2647d ago
This reminds me of mgs3... when snake (BIG BOSS) was betrayed by The Boss... But in the end BIG BOSS won.

World wide the ps3 I am sure did better than this. x360 always does well in the U.S. You couldn't have expected PS3 to win the U.S.. No time soon...
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JasonPC360PS3Wii  +   2647d ago
Wii 803
360 371
PS3 190

PS3 + 3rd + decline = fail

You have no argument, so you use the Wii to say 360 fails, even though your name is Sir_Ken_Kutaragi (((desperate)))

Wii 803
360 371

If you think thats bad look at it this away

Wii 803
PS3 190 <--- HAHA!!!

Chew on that sh!t. Whats it taste like? I bet it taste like pwned.
Stryfeno2  +   2646d ago
Spin lemming spin!!!
BLuKhaos  +   2646d ago
I warned you guys that karma was going to come back to bite us in the ass.Well let the bots enjoy their anal sex celebration.
theKiller  +   2646d ago
wow all the xrats came out of their holes
yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah finally 360 beat the sh*t out of ps3!!

now sony finally can start to think of a really price cut soon, they need it at least in the cheap people in america!!

i hope this will be a lesson for sony to stop have so much confident in their sales, people r not dying to have HD console that cost 400$, they wanna play great games, but also they dont want to replace their console every month and wait another month to get it back, the reality both ps3 and 360 are not giving the masses a reason to move to the real next gen of gaming!

ps3 will need a price cut this november or in december if they want to hold ground in the cheap USA!

400 USD for ps3 is more than worth it and u get much more then its real price but it doesnt change the fact that 400 USD in this world crisis is still a lot, the problem with sony is that they dont make price cuts until they see their sales goes down so i hope it even goes more down.

when u see ps3 is 299 USD then things will be like a night mare for 360! but i still think its too late for a price cut now!! maybe if they make one in december with huge advertising then we will see a huge spike in sales, something like 1000% increase!
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Hentai  +   2646d ago
371K xbox 360 sold!
371,000 people need to go get laid
Sir_Ken_Kutaragi  +   2646d ago
9 Disagrees before??? ;-D ;-D ;-D
It's TRUE!!! what i said tho before??? ;-D

The 'xBox 360' is cheaper than the 'Wii'???

SO -

It SHOULD sell more than the 'Wii'??? Why not???

Or don't it work that way!!! ;-D ;-D ;-D I don't get it then!!! ;-D

Sorry My Little xBot Zombie Cavemen Lemmings!!! That's a FAIL!!! ;-D
BIoodmask  +   2647d ago
It is almost a 2 to 1 ratio for all three consoles. Wii outsells 360 roughly 2 to 1. Xbox 360 outsells PS3 roughly 2 to 1.

The price cut for Microsoft seems to have had a positive effect on sales. Not to mention this is one of the biggest months for sales all year being that the Holiday season is upon us. November and December will most likely be bigger.
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happyface  +   2647d ago
Little Big Planet and R2 come and and PS3 sales DROP and 360 outsells it 2 to 1????

Sonys biggest games of the year come out and they get crushed, Little Big Planet didn't sell any consoles to casuals AT ALL? No one bought a ps3 for R2?
solar  +   2647d ago
my ps3 is collecting dust right now.
XXXCouture  +   2647d ago
lol at your disagrees. some apparently cannot accept the box outsold the ps. anyway happyface i think the ps' sales will rise in the next coming months
PirateThom  +   2647d ago
Resistance 2 was November 4th, it's not going to affect October.... wow...
ericnellie  +   2647d ago
This isnt' flame bait or VGChart numbers. This is the real deal - PS3 got pwned even with LBP and R2. They are triple A titles but what good are triple A titles if no ones buying them?
Danja  +   2647d ago
LBP came out October 28th ,R2 came out November 4th...

way to go making urself look like a dumba$$...

now lets talk about how the 360 is cheaper than a Wii but still gets outsold by 2:1 margin also..?
Dannagar  +   2647d ago
It's funny, I had money set aside for Little Big Planet. I had it pre-ordered. When it didn't come out, I ended up spending the money on other games. I'm still plenty occupied with the games I bought. I'm still not sure when I'll pick up Little Big Planet. However, I'm very happy with Fable II.
jaysquared  +   2647d ago
It doesn't matter when R2 was released if LBP didn't do squat to the PS3 sales when every fanboy on this site proclaimed it was going to help the PS3 overtake the 360 and it didn't then R2 isn't going to do squat! Face it every Sony fans on this site proclaimed LBP was going to catapult the PS3 to the top and it didn't. The PS3 doesn't have anything left in the bag to overtake the 360 now. The fact that every Sony fan on this site put so much hype into LBP and it didn't deliver then I can safely say KZ2 will do the same thing. FF XIII is now on the 360 even though its only in N. America and Europe. I can honesly say now that the PS3 will never catch up on the 360s install base in N. America unless Sony drops the price of the PS3 at the same price as the 360. PS3 will come in last in console sales this gen behind the Wii and the 360. And please stop proclaiming which year the PS3 will take over because it will never happen.

@below- Funny cuz gears were able to sell 2 million in 2 days. Fallout 3 was able to sell 500k for 2 days. Halo3 were able to sell 3 million in 2 days.. A lot can be done in two days. Who's the idiot now?
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Billabong  +   2647d ago
@ jaysquared
Yea... 2 days of LBP being on sale at the end of the month is going to get MAJOR sales!!

likedamaster  +   2647d ago
2.1 million in 24 hours. It will be chart topper for Nov.08
xhairs9  +   2646d ago
I never proclaimed that...strange because you said everyone proclaimed it would :/

There's nothing wrong with LBP, the only reason why it got shot in the foot so bad was because of the fact that it came out in the middle of a bunch of games, low advertising, and the mother load of them all was the fact that it was DELAYED at launch for another week or two (I can't remember). When I learned I had to wait another 2 weeks for the game I just bought another game and haven't been back yet until I'm done playing these games.

It's kind of sad that it came to this because I really wanted to get on this game, but at the same time I can't afford rockband for $250 and another crapload of 6 games. It's ridiculous.
cheapndirty  +   2646d ago
The greater supply of Wii hardware at retail is evident in the sales figures for the month with the Wii enjoying its best sales month outside of last November and December.

The price reduction on the Xbox 360 is paying dividends at retail as the platform realized a 7% unit sales increase over September. Keeping in mind that September was a 5-week month while October had four, the sales pace increased 33%.

The PS3 realized the greatest year-over-year monthly unit sales increase at 57%.
The Lazy One  +   2646d ago
It came out the 28th, but so did fallout 3, and fallout 3 still outsold LBP with much less hype.
darkpower  +   2646d ago
@The Lazy One
Why do you keep trying to compare the two games. Fallout 3 doesn't have a bundle coming out soon, LBP does (which might also explain the sales figures, too). Fallout 3 is more of the hardcore gamers that will buy that game regardless and for some reason thinks "casual games" is a four-letter word and that they are radioactive somehow to the hardcore base.

Seriously, stop comparing the two. They aren't the same thing and Fallout 3 did come out first, if I remember correctly.

Oh, and LBP is an exclusive, Fallout 3 came out on the 360, too, which might explain why Fallout 3 sold more units in your factor (you're including the combined number it sold across all the systems).
The Lazy One  +   2646d ago
They were both released on the 28th, and the sales for a single version of fallout 3 were more than 100k more than LBP.

Considering the buzz around both games, LBP should have sold a lot more.

Halo 3 sold almost 5 times as much ON IT'S FIRST DAY. I know it wouldn't sell that good, but considering this was the xbox killing game of this holiday, it should have done a lot better.
callahan09  +   2646d ago
Umm, happyface, don't get carried away now. These sales are for OCTOBER, not NOVEMBER.

LittleBigPlanet came out 2 days before the end of October, and its momentum was admittedly killed by delays, shipping issues, and server problems at launch and I didn't even start seeing commercials for the game during shows like The Daily Show and South Park until the first week of November, so I expect that LittleBigPlanet is a title that will only pique the interest of more non-PS3 owners (read: to influence system sales) on a gradual basis, and obviously not on a zero day basis.

And Resistance 2 didn't come out until November.
Omega4  +   2647d ago
So even with LBP ("the system seller") the PS3 actually fell in sales from last month.....OUCH!!

Sony better drop the price NOW or their holiday season my be VERY disappointing

BTW great sales for 360 a nice healthy increase
Peekay  +   2647d ago
be daft. LBP was released 8 days after Fable 2. I doubt we would see the effects of this game being a "system seller" in two days. Mind you the PS3s #s are still pretty crap. Hopefully do better next month =D
RSX  +   2647d ago
LBP Realeased on October the 28th
So i dont see how it was supposed to help Ps3 with 3 days of sales.

Good Month for the 360 though.
Wii Dominates all as always.
And Ps3 comes in last out of the 3, almost as always.

Sony really need to start marketing Ps3 and other potential products. Everytime i turn on the tv i see an xbox 360 advert mainly focused around the arcades price.
shysun  +   2647d ago
LBP was delayed and it wasn't clear when it would be released. I think it came out on the 28th MAYBE?!? So It wouldn't have very little to no impact on last months sales.
RememberThe357  +   2647d ago
The delay of LBP clearly effected sales.
Like shysun already said, the release date was fuzzy, and for that the game did pathetically at launch. Sony blew it, just face it. Those guys at SCEE are morons, they got great dev teams, but the top brass there seem completely incapable of doing things right. I see sales higher next month, but not by much. We'll find out.
wicked  +   2646d ago
It does not matter when LBP was released, it is not selling well, last time I looked it was a #35 on Amazon, hardly storming the charts. Lets hope R2 does better, but here in the UK it is not released until Nov 28th.
edhe  +   2647d ago
Price cut + fable2 + gow2 = big business.

Well done MS, not make sure Live lives up to the strain over the holiday puhleaze.
slugg  +   2647d ago
Think October was
More the price cut than Fable and Gears, but Novembers numbers could be even more amazing-- add Fallout, Call of Duty, and 2 more exclusives, Banjo, and Left 4 dead.... whoo boy. Does Sony even have any other exlclusive coming out after Resistance 2? If not, that and price could kill them this holiday....
RSX  +   2647d ago
L4d isnt an exclusive. It comes out on Pc aswell so its not "exclusive"
Bzone24  +   2647d ago
"L4d isnt an exclusive. It comes out on Pc aswell so its not "exclusive""

It's not coming out on the ps3 though. You should stop being bitter about it.
chasegamez  +   2647d ago
360 is cheaper than the wii and got outsold 2-1
kazuma  +   2647d ago
why would he be bitter? i mean it's not like u can't play the game in a higher resolution with better controls in a 5 year old or more computer...long live the source engine!
RSX  +   2647d ago
Where did you get that from? 4.2 Said that L4D isa 360 exclusive. That wasnt true so i was just clearing that up. For some reason whenever a game is released for 360 and Pc only, People jump and shout 360 exclusive when it clearly isnt.
And im aware it isnt coming to ps3, i didnt say that it was ¬_¬
darx  +   2647d ago
As far as consoles go, it's exclusive to the 360. Which means if you want to play it on any console you will need a 360.
Nineball2112  +   2646d ago
LOL @ darx ^^^
Wow... hahaha Yeah, that's one fanboyish way of looking at it.

How about this?

Me: Mirror's Edge is exclusive to the PS3!
You: No, it's not. You can play it on PC AND on the X360.
Me: Yeah, but if you want to play it on a console that has blu-ray technology, it's exclusive to the PS3!

See, how ludicrous that is? *rolls eyes*
eagles1990  +   2647d ago
Wow the PS3 got owned......
7h3ultim8p00  +   2647d ago
Ha, I called it! LBP didn't do much. Sony actually fell.
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poopsack  +   2647d ago
why is t embarrassing for fans? what do they get out of it? I guess you on the other hand have purchased some of M$'s stock. And this is why you must moderate this topic right?
RememberThe357  +   2647d ago
It's emberassing because...
Sony fanboys said that this game was going to null the 360 price cut. It does look like thats even going to be close to what happens. LBP did well in Japan but by my standards and expectations did terrible in the U.S. I realize that they want the company that they trust to get the success they feel it deserves, but if Sony keeps tripping over them selves they're going to have an even harder time as we move forward. Sometimes I feel like the only on beating Sony is themselves and everyone else is just taking advantage of the situation. Just like Sony did the SEGA.
Pseudo_Clash  +   2647d ago
Little Big Planet was released on the 28th and only had a WHOLE 3 days of October selling. Let's see when next months numbers come out.
wicked  +   2646d ago
Fallout 3 released on the same day and that sold a lot more the same time frame.
KingDizzi  +   2647d ago
PS3 sales are just awful, spin it how you want fellas but that's just the way it is. 360 doing well but the Wii..............WOW!
Chaos Striker  +   2647d ago
Ouch...hopefully these numbers will convince Sony to do something for a change, because the hardware sales has had a rather significant drop-off.
BLaZiN PRopHeT  +   2647d ago
So the YTD lead that the ps3 had over the 360 is gone in just 2 months.
tortella  +   2647d ago
Nope ps3 still has 50 k lead..........LBP was released on the 28th of November
However in terms of WW sales PS3 still has a massive edge

This is the last thing that MS could do for x360 though since the price cut below 200$ is the last resort MS had

as for SONY it can cut price twice. 190K is still a decent number so i think SONY doesnt need to drop price this year

For x360 nothing remains after 2008.
The price cut had no impact in europe where ps3 is till outselling it

MS has no resort left for selling x360 but SONY can cut ps3s price 4x in the future and with future games it will only get better for PS3

enjoy 2008 ---last year for x360 in console war
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LightningPS3PS3  +   2647d ago
price drop Sony please...
it's not optional. You won't compete this holiday without it.
BLaZiN PRopHeT  +   2647d ago
@ 2.1 you should redo your math. the 360 has over taken the ps3s YTD numbers. and were talking about NA in this thread since it is about NPD.
mint royale  +   2647d ago
wow @2.1 so much fanboyism in 1 post!
stop lying, the 360 HAS overtaken the ps3 in yearly sales now, stop making up numbers. And as for Europe, I know your probably blind like most fanboys but since the last pricecut the 360 is outselling the ps3 in Europe. Every tracking firm confirms this - charttrack, gfk etc.

How can you honestly say that 2008 is th last year of teh xbox when its just outsold the ps3 2-1? I guess the ps3 is already dead then.

I have nothing against the ps3, its just fanboys (especially sony ones on this sight are so blind its too funny). The ps3 is a great machine but surely its clear even to fanboys now that its overpriced.
testerg35  +   2647d ago
nasim.. you said 2008 was the year of the ps3. Also, LBP should have made a bigger impact even if it was only 3 days worth.
morganfell  +   2647d ago
And the PS3 still has a Worldwide Lead ha ha. Enjoy your win in the US this month MS, it won't carry over.
Snukadaman_  +   2647d ago
&quot;And the PS3 still has a Worldwide Lead ha ha. Enjoy your win in the US this month MS, it won't carry over. &quot;
I think if you would of added "Just wait till 2009" or had a list of ps3 games...your posting would of been comedy gold....god bless you sweet droid.
morganfell  +   2647d ago
One other note Lightning. no one knows except Sony what they want from PS3 sales.
Deadman64  +   2647d ago
"Oh well if you count sales of PS3's on tuesdays after 5PM only then the PS3 outsold the 360 by tons!!"
Rampant  +   2647d ago
Year of the 360 in USA continues!

Outselling PS3 2:1 and Fable killing LBP sales.

And now...

IzKyD1331  +   2647d ago
PS3 has sold more than 360 this year....who's leading?
and I don't think the 360 price cuts ANYTHING to do with this lead /sarcasm
Rampant  +   2647d ago
These are american numbers. You want year to date numbers?

360: 2.459.000
PS3: 2.441.000

Oh, and sony droids already stated that the 360 is more expensive than the ps3. Or is it not? Whatever fits you right now ;D

I predict... No response.
poopsack  +   2647d ago
actually it becomes more expensive if you want it to have almost the same amount of features but, you wouldnt understand that.
tortella  +   2647d ago
TTD numbers look like this
PS3 -- 2.41m
x360 -2.4m

still ps3 is leading

However even at 3x the price point PS3 is beating x360 in europe and Japan

Price cut to <200$ was MS last resort

However SONY can cut PS3's price 4x in the future

I repeat 4x ....

PS3 sales over last year increased 80% as well

Oct 07 --120k ps3

oct 08 --190k ps3s

SONY can just ride out 08 with the same price tag of 400$

but what remains for x360 after this year???????

Snake Raiser  +   2647d ago
Ok, fine. Fable has been out longer.
Bitter Tears  +   2647d ago
:'( PS3 can't price drop 4x. WTF. It sits at $399, it can drop to $299 but that's the lowest the PS3 will probably go for for a really long time. Unless you want to count $50 intervals which the 360 can also drop in.

Just accept the PS3 is going down in sales and the 360 is beating it. The 360 always has room to drop the prices of the Elite or Pro $50 or $100 if they really were desperate.

Everyone knows that Microsoft always announces things within the same year of release or close. Sony teases them a mile away with trailers.

I accepted that my PS3 isn't doing well. You should too.

But you can always believe this will demolish.

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caffman  +   2646d ago
slugg  +   2647d ago
I just dont get,
As a "hardcore" gamer, this whole Wii thing. But they are selling it to people who have never played videogames before- I work at Gamestop and last weekend sold one to a Nursing Home Administrator for the "playroom" at her Nursing Home. The problem is, I PERSONALLY know 3 or 4 people who have Wiis and hardly ever play it-- they got Mario Kart, played for a week, then nothing. Got Wii Fit- worked out for a week, then nothing. The funny thing is, with such HUGE system sales, attach rate is meaningless for the Wii-- if everyone only buys one game for their Wii a year, they are actually still selling as much software as the 360 is at 8 games per system!! The downside-- Sony and MS looking at that while they are designing their next systems....
RememberThe357  +   2647d ago
You think they'd be nice enough to put up some software for those people who picked one up.
OOG  +   2647d ago
wowz @ wii......can I have some of that money please??? lol
pwnsause  +   2647d ago
this is what happens when there is a price cut and when there is an anticipated game on the horizon.
P  +   2647d ago
Playstation hardware has put up impressive numbers
Bucky Sligo  +   2647d ago
Impressive? yes
Better than Xbox360? nope
BRACHATTACK  +   2647d ago
Price cut you fools!!
Lord Vader  +   2647d ago
Can't afford to lose even more money on hardware dude.
chavafx  +   2647d ago
Meus Renaissance  +   2647d ago
Only die hard fanboys actually believed LBP would be a system seller. It's come to a point where I don't believe there is a specific title that can boost hardware sales for a console if it doesn't get a price cut. $399 is still expensive for a video games machine these days. I know it has the features that can make it more value than the 360, but the audience Sony wants to tape aren't interested in Wireless Media capabilities or Blu-Ray movies, they want games, cheap and fun. Something Nintendo has mastered this generation and Microsoft attempting to emulate with hefty price cuts. I'm sure Jack Tretton is aware of this, Sony executives know how to run a successful business and they know what's hurting them. However, the finances of the system gives them no choice but to try and direct themselves for a profit over hardware unit sales.

But eventually the price will be cut. I just hope its a big one. Don't forget, there are still tens of millions of PS2 owners who haven't yet upgraded and it's been three years since the birth of this generation. Plenty of time left to go, but the year of the PS3? No way. I called it in March.
DiabloRising  +   2647d ago
Interesting points, and very true. But I have to ask Meus, just as you think there is no single game that will sell a system (which I agree), don't you believe the term "year of" to be a bit silly and Press Release-ish? I mean, what constitutes a "year of" anyways? It seems both the media and fanboys love to toss around "year of" and "x killer" nonstop without thinking about what it actually means. Is it game quality? Hardware sales? Media face time?

We have 3 successful consoles this generation, all selling consistently, and each one catering somewhat to different demographics. All 3 have had rather strong lineups this year as well. Is it really possible to lable a year the "year of" anything in this current market climate? The era of the PS2's utter domination is long since passed. Can we really ever label anything a dominator (outside of Wii sales, geez) when the 3 consoles are actually duking it out pretty well?

I don't think we'll ever see a "year of" anything this gen. Next year has great lineups for both systems, and I'm sure sales will continue along a similar course. Of course, that won't stop many websites from fishing for hits by creating stories stating that one console is doomed or some other malarky.
darthv72  +   2647d ago
ps2 gamers...
I for one believe that it is the continued existance of ps2 support that is keeping the ps3 down. I have been wowed by what that last gen system is capable of. Granted it is the bread and butter for sony but even sony must be thinking about ways to convert those would be ps2 purchasers into ps3 purchasers. Cutting the backward comp in the new sku's is not helping either.

What makes you think that if someone has a ps2, they are a guaranteed ps3 user down the road? What if some of those ps2 gamers have upgraded? Yet, they chose to go the 360 route instead of ps3. For whatever their reasons are it is their reasons. Price...??? Maybe. Game selection...??? Maybe.

There are some really great titles out for the 360 and ps3 and that ps2 gamer is deciding which way they want to go. Sony just made some big to do about gaming in india. Great but they are doing what nintendo did in the nes/snes transition days. They really want people to get with the times but know they cant turn their back on those who still have yet to taste the ps2 generation. Catch 22 if you will.

MS did what they had to do to secure their place in this generation. Even if it meant leaving the last generation butt cold in the snow. A risky move but one that has been played before. Sega did something similar with the launch of the genesis. Master system support all of about died when it came out in the US. It was still greatly popular in europe but they knew they had to move on and really market the genesis in the face of the old nes. People bought into it and supported it even with the snes came out. Nintendo was stuck trying to support two systems which made finances for both divisions a bit tight. Having had to loosen up on their third party licenses didnt help either but it was needed to be done to make the competition more balanced in a fierce industry.

I have said it before. The second generation console of a company is generally their shining moment. Sony has a great run with the PS2 (2nd gen), Sega had a great run with the Genesis/MD (2nd gen), Atari had a great run with the 2600 (2nd gen to the original PONG), Nintendo is having a resurgance with the Wii. I think the SNES was their best (2nd gen) system. MS is having a great run with their 2nd gen system in spite of issues. Will their 3rd gen system be as popular? Maybe...maybe not. Look at all the 3rd release consoles and see how they fared against their 2nd gen siblings and come to the conclusion yourself.
gametheory  +   2647d ago
Nice theory, but it's worthless in the face of evidence
Your theory: "Only die hard fanboys actually believed LBP would be a system seller. "

Evidence: LBP came out like 2 days before october ended, and there was confusion about the release date of LBP. I don't see why October should reflect system selling from LBP in such a scenario. In the best case, there's very little evidence to suggest that you're right in implying that LBP is not a system seller. I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying you don't really have enough information to arrive at such conclusion.

Your theory: "Plenty of time left to go, but the year of the PS3? No way. I called it in March. "

Evidence: The problem is that "Year of whatever" is as subjective as it can get. Is there any rigorous definition for what that means? It's as subjective as "AAA" or scores. If anything, your hypothesis fails by having no seriously set goal as you can move the goal post any time by saying "Oh but it wasn't as much as it should have been".

From a gamer standpoint, it is not definitely but most likely the year of the PS3, as it has the two most important exclusive GOTY contenders (MGS4 and LBP) and it also has the two most important multiplatform GOTY contenders (Fallout and GTAIV). Also, the majority of AAA multiplatform games ended up performing better (according to reviews) on PS3 (GTAIV, Devil May Cry 4, Burnout, Dead Space and Mirror's Edge). Blu-ray also won. As I said, this is from a consumer/gamer standpoint.

Let's compare with 360 and Wii. 360 still has RROD, it's still being outsold on a worldwide basis by both of its competitors, and its must have exclusive games arrived barely, while PS3 has had must have exclusives ever since GT5 Prologue arrived, followed by MGS4. That's not to say 360 owners had a bad time, they were busy playing holiday season games and multiplatform games, but there's little PS3 owners missed that 360 owners were playing until Ninja Gaiden arrived, but around then an awesome horror game came out on exclusively on PS3.

Wii had Smash Bros with a horrible online experience and the worst Mario Kart to date. That's not to say they were bad games, but not only is it more of the same Gamecube games and IP, they are underwhelming experiences compared to what Next-gen has to offer. Wii Fit and Wii Music may sell but just like the Wii, novelties with no quality at all. Other titles are Zelda Crossbow and Animal Crossing but again, same old same old, this Zelda is not your typical Zelda, and Animal Crossing is probably the best thing on the Wii this year.

The Wii has outsold both PS3 and 360 combined. Is that the year of the Wii? I mean seriously, the Wii has no merit at all for what it's doing, but by your logic, it is the year of the Wii since it's outselling everything. PS3 has gotten flash support, a faster browser, a faster online store, trophies, and Home will likely arrive soon, 360 is getting NXE and its fair share of exclusive content for multiplatform games and other exclusive titles, the Wii pales in comparison to what other consoles offer.

It might not be the year of the PS3, but it sure as hell is a lot better than last year. IMHO, last year for 360 was better in terms of content and perhaps its year though it was still outsold. The Wii is outselling everything with nothing to offer. I'd have to give Sony props for turning the PS3 around from what it was last year as they of all made the most significant improvement to the state of their console.
edhe  +   2646d ago
All my buddies on Live used to be ps2 owners and don't have ps3s..
DiabloRising  +   2647d ago
I just do not understand the Wii craze, being a former Wii owner myself.
chavafx  +   2647d ago
Irishrocket69  +   2647d ago
Even if the droids try to spin it that LBP is a new ip, when the original GeoW came out it still sold more than double (as a new ip)! And don't try to talk install base, at this point the POS3 has more units out there than the X360 had at the time Gears was released! Holy sh@! on the Wii though, I can't wait for voice chat!
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PoSTedUP  +   2647d ago
thats because the 360 gamers were starving for some good exclusive games until halo3 : ) they were deprived and a new cool shooter came out and the jumped all over it like a starving lion meets a deer. and with some really good marketing thrown in the mix.... btw have you seen a LBP commercial? i haven't....
tortella  +   2647d ago
LBP was released on 28th October
so just 3 days of sales account to 215k

3 days of sales

MS has no resort left in console war as the price cut was the last thing they could do

PS3's year over sales from last october vs this october rose 80%

120k ---190k

SONY can cut PS3's price 4x in the future alongside mega releases like GOW3/KZ2/MAG/GT5

However what remains for x360 after 2008?
mint royale  +   2647d ago
@ tortella fanboy again
so LBP did 215K which is respectable.
What about fallout 3 doing 400K in 5 days?
What about fable 2?
I thought the xbox was dead how come its kicking ass in sales?
Has it ever occured to you that microsoft has stuff planned for 09?
How much can one person be in denial. Its too funny!

Edit@ posted up
and do you see LBP at the top of sales like halo 3 was? I don't.
The ps3 is 10 million behind the ps2 and yet you still spin! Bloody ell, i'm glad I don't lead such a sad life.
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Irishrocket69  +   2647d ago
Dear posted up,
You want to know why you have not seen many commercials on LBP, because SONY spent the money buying commercials for BR, not much left over in the honey pot. But in defense of SONY, I have seen numerous billboards advertising the game.
NickIni  +   2647d ago
"Has it ever occured to you that microsoft has stuff planned for 09?"

Has it occurred to you that the PS3's current '09 line up is likely to be incomplete? There's roughly 6 more Sony Published titles, (meant to be announced at TGS) and the Team Ico Game. Granted, not all will release in '09, but several will, and MS will need to release a lot to compete with the PS3's line up, and expected quality of these games.
Firstkn1ghT  +   2647d ago
Not surprised. It's not news that the 360 has been outselling the ps3 for a few months now. Their is just more excitement coming out in the 360 camp. Fable 2, Gears 2, Left 4 Dead. That is 3 serious games right there. LBP didn't break records like sony fans said it would. I was right all along. LBP looks to be a sales flop. Again like I said time and time again, the 360 has already won this gen. Sony was slowly catching up to the 360's install base but like I said before.... the 360 is just in a better position for a price cut and that will be the deciding factor. Microsoft planned it perfect. Price cut plus 3 AAA titles. Congrats Microsoft. You did it! :)

And for all the sony fans that disagree, tell me.... Sony is still about a 5 million console lead behind the 360. How are they going to catch up when they're not winning every month?
Meus Renaissance  +   2647d ago
Can you tell me when LBP launched in the US - officially?
poopsack  +   2647d ago
I'll let you know a year after microsoft moves on to the next xbox. then we'll compare sales, you know, to make it fair.
DiabloRising  +   2647d ago
I like how you congratulate Microsoft, and not Lionhead or Epic for their team's hard work and excellent software.

You did it? LOL. Did what? I fear any company taking over as the PS2 did, unless you want gaming to become the equivalent of Vista. *shudder*
kazuma  +   2647d ago
what are u so surprised about? it's typical fanboy attitude, giving kudos to the companies on which consoles those games appear on, instead of the real developers...
gamesmaster  +   2647d ago
this is getting old, really old... n4g is rife with fanboyism.

congrats to epic on a stella title, same to lionheart! here's hoping their sales pick-up because its a good game that others should play.

ms sales look very healthy this early in the holiday season, decision to cut the price did MS good, they certainly needed it.

sony really need to get the production cost down, but i'm sure they know that and that is what they're working towards. the price of blu-ray comming down is a good sign, maybe sony will get that price cut early next year. they do still have a good market share, ps2 psp and ps3 selling more than 400,000 all together.

ps this only north America though interested to see world wide sales.
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ultimolu  +   2647d ago
...And you spread FUD like the plague Knight. Why am I not surprised?

Little Big Planet was delayed. Resistance 2 came out November 4th. Great numbers for the 360 but will it last?

Only time will tell.

Spin away.
Bitter Tears  +   2647d ago
You're spinning it yourself ultimolu.

sniff sniff

ultimolu  +   2647d ago
Lol @ Bitter Tears.

Who's spinning?

I knew this would happen.

A price cut, two huge games. Anyone with a brain could see this would be a spike in sales.
likedamaster  +   2647d ago

Microsoft deserves every credit given, they're the muscle behind all the advertising which in actuality is what gets a game "out there" and "known about" and therefore sold. Microsoft were the ones to fund the games and give the xbox360 console the pricecut. At times you keep the fanboyism at bay, this time you just couldn't help it, but I understand. Congrats to Microsoft though, they deserve it.
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BuckyBarnes  +   2647d ago
as a ps3 enthusiast and 360 supporter, I find this nintendo phenomena to be awful. Yes they are making money, which is what all companies want. but look at how they are making the money. printing awful games, no depth, no story, just stupid little mini games.

I said it when it was launched and I will say it again, the wii will be the downfall of gaming. We will no longer see people make powerful machines pushing technology to the limits, but playful, dumb little avatars running around throwing frisbees.

This is the future we have created for ourselves. I for one am horrified when I think of future systems adapting this so called wii mindset to their own model.
karlostomy  +   2646d ago
Bucky Barnes I couldn't agree more!
The Wii is a setting dangerous console business model precedent that MS and SOny would be foolish to ignore.

Thus I am sh1tscared that MS and Sony will compromise the next gen console race with underpowered hardware that is instantly profitable, with cutesy crap games and silly gadget controllers aimed at moms, kids and retirees! (ie. copy the wii business model)

Please, MS and SOny, don't let this happen!

For all the bickering and arguing and fanb1tching that goes on between the 360 and ps3, I still love those consoles 1000x more than that absurdly woeful wii abomination.
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ChefDejon  +   2647d ago
Resistance 2 came out in november and little big planet came out at the end of october... but ps3 needs a price cut now

edit: someone explain to me why the ps3 doesnt need a price cut....
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Fux4Bux  +   2647d ago
PS3 definitely needs a price cut.

It's really just sad how well the Wii is selling. It's complete and utter garbage.
yoghurt  +   2647d ago
lol at all the 360 fanboys getting excited.

LBP didn't arrive until late October, and this is only US. Yes MS did good to increase sales, but its not REALLY that good considering the price difference. Still, a good month for the sony BRAND, selling 519,000 units
jessupj  +   2647d ago
Yeah I think a lot of people are forgeting that this is just US sales. Land of the FPS, so of course gears 2 is gonna sky rocket 360 sales. I'd like to see the numbers from the guys and girls over at Europe and Japan, because I think a lot of them would snatch up a game like lbp.

The US is just one country, it's not the whole world and will not single handedly decide who will win this stupid war.
Xi  +   2647d ago
Let me explain some problems with what you said.
1. The highest selling game in novemeber was fable 2, not an fps.
2. Gears of war is a third person shooter.
3. Resistace 2 is a fps, and did not impact sales of the ps3, kettle/pot/black.
4. fallout 3, also an RPG also sold well.

you are wrong.
Nineball2112  +   2646d ago
@ xi
You have some good points until #3.

WTH? What is so hard to understand about R2 not being released until November???

These numbers are for October!!!

You might have a point with that next month, but not for October. Sheesh...
Xi  +   2646d ago
My point is that gears of war was also not released in november and yet he brings up gears of war as a point to which the 360 made progress. While I understand that R2 is not a november release, I could've also say socom, which is both an october release and a somewhat popular FPS franchise.

Though not a strong argument on itself I was attempting to draw out his hypocrisy, but it does require a bit of reading between the lines. I'll make myself more clear next time.
TheExecutive  +   2647d ago
proof that the ps3 needs a price drop.
mint royale  +   2647d ago
So vgchartz actually severly undertracked the 360 and overtracked the ps3
I think thats new this month.

360 2-1 over ps3. This clearly isn't the year of the ps3 to anyone without THICK fanboy glasses on.

Also BIG KUDOS to nintendo. 803k! They just smashed the ps2's october npd record by 300k! 300! Say what you want about nintendo but they are dominated and won't be caught this generation. Im happy for them after the disapointment of the last 2 gens.

Edit: Maybe people don't understand the wii because they are in denial of its success? I have no problems with it, its not like its stealing games of 360 and ps3 is it? Grow up people, just because a playstation is no longer dominating the whining is unbelievable. And if we want to get into anecdotal evidence, my flatmate who is a hardcore gamer, has a wii with 17 games and absolutely loves it.
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P  +   2647d ago
In less than 72 Hours,LittleBigPlanet sold over 200,000 copies
Media Molecules AAAA game is doing fantastic at Retail
mint royale  +   2647d ago
72 hours? wasn't it 5 days?
It sold well why do you have to exaggerate.

Thats pathetic. Its as if you feel you have to exagerate how well it sold to make it sound better. Did it not sell like you expected?

Whats the next post going to be like.

'Released just 6 hours before NPD LBP sells over 200,000 copies!!!1!
Danja  +   2647d ago
LBP was originally suppose to be released on October 25th , but ti got delayed till October 28th..

which means it sold 215k in 3 days...
mint royale  +   2647d ago
Ive followed the whole 'how long was LBP out for'
on the neo-gaf thread.

Im sure was tracked for 5 days by NPD - remember NPD stops at the end of weeks not when the new calendar month hits.
caffman  +   2646d ago
how many did gears 2 sell in the same period?
or halo 3? Or fable 2?
KARMA2009  +   2647d ago
wait for november and december fools,$199 360 what would you expect people would buy a cheap crappy system,then 30% of the 360 will have hardware failures.
ElementX  +   2647d ago
According to your name, all your bad comments will come back to haunt you.
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