Sony Has Shown How Fast The PS5 Loads Games VS The PS4 Pro

Sony has today shown off a video showcasing how fast the next gen Sony console (expected to be PlayStation 5) loads games versus the PlayStation 4 Pro. When the first PS5 details were released last month, one of the main selling points for the console was how fast it loads games.

[affrogamer]

WOWZERS!! The Beast is on the way!!!

[pwnmaster3000]

This should be the type of performance all consoles next gen should atleast be at. That was insanely quick loading.

[Rude-ro]

&cigi
I get your point, but it is the pro version vs the next gen.
Not the base console.

[Abnor_Mal]

Can we stop with all this "beast" talk, it was annoying af with the XBox One X fanclub, call it a monster instead.

[meep316]

@cigi you say it like you have a clue about the quality of the assets in this game. Even if the render resolution is 1080p the assets could be of very high quality, which most sony games are. I could go on, but I think its better for people to just study how graphics are rendered before they start making comments like this.

[fr0sty]

They don't change assets other than textures for 4k in most cases, and the Pro version of Spiderman is running at 2560×1440 upscaled to 3840x2160.

[Marioraider18]

This is the real BEAST

[itsmebryan]

Load times make it a"Beast"? I never heard anyone say they load times are more important than frame rates and resolution. But, I guess things change.

[sampsonon]

@itsmebryan no pop in makes it a beast.

[nitus10]

@itsmebryan

I will agree that load times do not make a PC/console a beast although they do help significantly.

Yes, framerate and resolution are important especially in games that can make significant use of them, however, most TV's and especially 4K and 8K ones have a refresh rate of 60Hz unless you are willing to pay significantly more for ones with a higher refresh rate. For instance, my Sony 55" HD (ie. up to 1080p) TV has a refresh rate of 200Hz and that makes fast action games comfortable on the eyes even though the frame rate of the game may be 30fps although I will admit that slowdown can be annoying.

It must be noted that it does not matter if your PC/console outputs a game at say 120fps or better if your display has a refresh rate of 60Hz. Sure you may see a marginal difference although that is debatable, however, you can see a significant difference if your displays refresh rate is equal or higher than the framerate of the game. As an example say your game outputs at 120fps and if you wish to have a display that will support that framerate then its refresh rate should be 120Hz or better.

Why do you think many PC gamers choose a 1440p 144Hz or higher monitor?

[Mr Logic]

@nitus10

Virtually everything you just spewed is ignorant and wrong.

[meep316]

@Mr Logic he's actually right, where some people get confused is that many tvs have 120hz output but only 60hz input. They take a 60 hz signal and add frames, which gives us the god awful soap opera effect. Some tvs can accept a higher refresh rate signal at 1080p, this all should be common knowledge in the information age.

the last two paragraphs he wrote are a little off, but not that far. Blurbusters has a lot of material you can read up on, including freesync and gsync. The next consoles should have freesync (and tvs are starting to get it too), and im surprised we arent hearing more about it yet. Im pretty sure the xbox one x has some sort of freesync built in already as well.

[Mr Logic]

@meep316

No...You seem to be attributing things to nitus that he never explicitly says and I was never responding to. Let's take things one at a time.

"my Sony 55" HD (ie. up to 1080p) TV has a refresh rate of 200Hz and that makes fast action games comfortable on the eyes even though the frame rate of the game may be 30fps although I will admit that slowdown can be annoying."

Sheer garbage. Your screen can be 60hz, 120hz, or 240hz, but it will never make 30fps content smoother and if it does, then it is doing so at the expense of latency. In addition I am aware that very few TVs do actual 120hz, but a number of Sony TVs actually do.

"It must be noted that it does not matter if your PC/console outputs a game at say 120fps or better if your display has a refresh rate of 60Hz. Sure you may see a marginal difference although that is debatable,"

This is not debatable. Sure exceeding your screen's refresh rate does not make the game more "smooth", but it does serve up the most recent frame at all times resulting in lower latency.

"however, you can see a significant difference if your displays refresh rate is equal or higher than the framerate of the game. As an example say your game outputs at 120fps and if you wish to have a display that will support that framerate then its refresh rate should be 120Hz or better.

Why do you think many PC gamers choose a 1440p 144Hz or higher monitor?"

Several things here. Let's set aside adaptive sync/gsync/freesync for a second, because he never mentioned frame syncing. Under those circumstances you generally don't want your Hz to exceed the game fps because it will result in permanent tearing.

PC gamers choose 144hz only if you plan to at least get close to if not exceed those fps. Nobody is buying a 144hz display with a cheap gpu that only reaches 80fps.

As to everything you said, it is mostly correct. Xbox already supports Freesync on all their models (except maybe the original X1?), but the issue is that most freesync displays up until this point have been monitors, and only accept AS over DP and not HDMI.

Also worth mentioning is that Xbox actually supports 120hz over HDMI via recent firmware upgrade.

[meep316]

"PC gamers choose 144hz only if you plan to at least get close to if not exceed those fps. Nobody is buying a 144hz display with a cheap gpu that only reaches 80fps. "

actually many do, especially if its a freesync or gsync monitor. I have an aging 1070 and some new games only run between 50-70 fps at 1440p, but it looks great. Other games run above 100 fps, and at that point its very diminishing returns. Anyway, blurbusters.com is probably the best resource for this sort of thing.

[Mr Logic]

@meep

Which part of "Let's set aside adaptive sync/gsync/freesync for a second, because he never mentioned frame syncing." doesn't make sense to you?

[dumahim]

There's no question it's a big improvement on loading speeds, but keep in mind, this a current gen game being loaded on next gen hardware. A next gen game will be loading more information, so it'll slow down a bit.

[Suave_Langosta]

One, it’s next gen so it better be miles better than what we have seen this gen.

Two, Xbox x was already named the “the beast”and that was already annoying then so you can kindly stop.

Lastly, you guys act like this is some kind of unbelievable entity that deserves upmost praise, but back to my first point, it’s next gen, so applaud it for what it is, but two to three years after it’s release, (micro and Sony) will again try to screw us with another round of midgen “upgrades.” So idk I’ve been an avid console gamer on all three big companies but this current gen is pushing me towards a PC. Just sayin

[-volt-]

These consoles are nothing but wanna-be PC's anyways. It's pretty obvious... I enjoy the Switch but because of its portability... Beyond that it is a silly cycle.

[-volt-]

Beast? Nothing new about SSD/ M.2/ etc.......

[Thundercat77]

I already pre-ordered the PS5... In my soul.

[SyntheticForm]

Mine's pre-ordered in my heart.

[bouzebbal]

I have mine... In my dreams

[kasu]

Start your home business right now. Spend more time with your family and earn. Start bringing <80$> per hr just on a computer. Very easy way to make your life happy and earning continuously.
Start here…....
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[UnSelf]

Mine is already pre-loading Horizon: ZD 2.

Oh nvm it’s done loading ✅

[Jamaicangmr]

You win

[Gaming4Life1981]

🤣🤣🤣 too funny.

As soon as pre orders go up for both systems I'm going to pre order at least 3 each and sell 4 pre orders and keep 2. I been doing this for a while now and I always make alot of money just for selling my pre orders.

[Spartacus10]

That's sad.

[Gaming4Life1981]

@Spartacus

Lol what's wrong with making extra money. I remember standing in lines back in the day and selling my spot and I wasnt the only one nor did I start it. The people that buy pre orders from me are always happy that I did this cause they wouldn't have got a system.

Love that show by the way.

[PhoenixUp]

Say goodbye to games with loading screen minigames

[Jin_Sakai]

Open world games will greatly benefit from this. Can’t wait!

[ClayRules2012]

Most definitely.

[sushimama]

I am so sick of long loading screens

[KyRo]

Loading screens have pretty much become a thing of the past these days anyway? Outside of the inital load and when you die, games very rarely give you load screens anymore.

[Neonridr]

@KyRo - RDR2 is full of loading

[rainslacker]

The loading is still there, it's just masked with other things. Like in Uncharted and TLOU, they use cinematics with the loading in the background. If you skip the cinematics, you'll see the loading screen.

It's a common practice for a lot of games nowadays, because it can take some time to load that much memory and get the scene set up within the program itself.

[UltraNova]

Soulsborne games will greatly benefit from this, alleviating some of the frustrating waiting time from getting killed and waiting on a loading screen so you can go at it again, and again and again...

[nitus10]

With Souls/Borne games you do need to "git gud" 😉 so you don't get killed as often. Of course when you do teleport between bonfires/lanterns then loading can be annoying but then again you should not do this very often.

[Bathyj]

I like the loading screens in bloodborne. It gave you time to have a good hard think about yourself.

[blackblades]

I was thinking some certain games will still have the issues.

[totalgaminglegend]

I see Bethesda using this hardware for the next Elder Scrolls considering they said themselves, their goals cannot currently be met on current hardware.

[Larrysweet]

Hahahah skyrim looking crap can be met on ps3 since said using same tired engine

[rainslacker]

There is more to it than just loading the data into memory. It really doesn't take a huge amount of time to load in the amount of data being used for current gen games from disc to memory. Most of the time is actually from setting up the assets in memory to be displayed on the screen, as well as initializing parts of the program to run the game the way it's supposed to be.

Some developers are good about not having to do everything every time, others....not so much. Some games tend to reload the entire game scene every time it's needed, and they use heavy compression for the assets which have to be decompressed when loaded into memory. Other games, only load in the new stuff they need, and update the memory paths better, but don't initialize everything every time.

I'd imagine their "goals cannot be currently met" statement was more about the graphics, which is silly considering their games aren't usually graphical powerhouses, or the memory requirements not being high enough, because their game engine tends to be a memory hogs. Maybe they're getting better though....but they really need to revamp their game engine. While they can still keep the work flow in place, there are many antiquated processes within it, and while you can adapt it with new tools, it can be held back if core designs aren't brought up to date. Luckily, they have updated the rendering pipeline to at least this gens availability, but next gen there are some new practices which are pretty damn impressive from both DX and Vulcan.

[darthv72]

Load times never bothered me. Hell... I own a neo geo cd. you want to talk about "loading"... haha

[CaptainOmega]

That’s fast.

[ClayRules2012]

Like what I see!

[SheenuTheLegend]

its great but game companies also need to keep innovating the gameplay and not repeat the same stuff again and again.
Remember the ps2 era? it was unique just bcoz of different gameplay styles in its games.
almost every game tried with gameplay formula different than the other.

[Platformgamer]

don't worry about it, we're talking about playstation, not microsoft

[HighPlayer28]

You will be eating much crow next gen. I dont know why you fanboys underestimate the competition when Sony even knows their a threat next gen.

[Lennoxb63]

Sony is just as guilty as MS. How many cinematic 3rd person adventure games are we gonna get?

[Furesis]

well yeah but this is about hardware not software. and you know what also helps? look somewhere else and i'm sure you'll find some fantastic games. Main stream games tend to be very same-ish and for a reason

[Stanjara]

One thing is to talk about it, and another one is to see it. Absolutely mind boggling.

[oSHINSAo]

That's Fast, just remember, memory will be double, triple or even more, so this comparison is only valid against PS4, m.2 ssd is a must for both next consoles.

[SyntheticForm]

Yeah, I was thinking about that too. It's one thing to show Spider-Man being loaded, and another thing to show an actual next-gen game being loaded with all the assets.

The Xbox One X loads some games faster as well, but when you have a game with native 4K resolution like Metro Exodus, it still takes a long time to load. Red Dead Redemption 2 is another example. The X did nothing for those games in terms of load time.

[froy402]

...........(SSD)........

[justchilliando]

There's a YouTube video showing ps5 load rdr 2 in like 3-5 seconds that blew me away

[Neonridr]

I had mentioned before that an NVMe m.2 drive would be amazing. This type of loading is things that PC users have seen for some time. My PC boots to the Windows login screen cold in less than 5 seconds. And that is loading an entire OS.

[Larrysweet]

This is faster then any pc hardware u can buy right now

[Neonridr]

@Larrysweet - let's keep this in context here.. all you saw was some arbitrary thing being loaded. Very hard to compare to real world speeds. Give me read/write speeds of what the PS5 is using and I will tell you if it's faster or not.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

Neonridr - Cerney isn't one for hyperbole, this is from the reveal article in WIRED -

"At the moment, Sony won’t cop to exact details about the SSD—who makes it, whether it utilizes the new PCIe 4.0 standard—but Cerny claims that it has a raw bandwidth higher than any SSD available for PCs. That’s not all. “The raw read speed is important,“ Cerny says, “but so are the details of the I/O [input-output] mechanisms and the software stack that we put on top of them."

Your right when you say we still need to see real world perfermance, especially PS5 games loading. But Cerney isn't Krazy Ken, he's a little more grounded in reality - his claims wouldn't be to far from the truth I'd say.

Have to wait and see though.

[Neonridr]

@xX-oldboy-Xx - yep, I will take his word for it, he isn't one to beat around the bush.

Regardless, it's a hell of a lot faster than what we currently have for consoles, and that's a fantastic thing.

[Kados]

Video showed the game loading ~10x faster than the PS4 Pro, PS4 Pro HDD has a max read speed of ~150MB/s. That puts the PS5 at ~1500MB/s. There are already M.2 SSDs for PC that run upwards of 3500MB/s read, 2500MB/s write. Nothing shown in this video comes close to implying it will be faster than current M.2s.

[mkis007]

Kados

You just assumed the game was using 150mb/s when insomniac, during a deep dive divulged they had to target 20 mb/ due to the replaceable nature of the drives in ps4. They couldnt be sure people wouldnt use a worse drive.

This demo doesnt begin to show the speeds possible. That is why they released it.

[oSHINSAo]

Just build a new PC to my parent in law, didn't know about nvme gen3x4, that is really fast, by a 256gb for 43dlls, if they both Xbox and PS4 make an agreement with ssds companies, they could have a bargain for 512 m.2 ssd, and add another TB for storage, will be nice to see next gen Consoles

[rainslacker]

I'm thinking double. With the addition of SSD, it reduces the need for more memory, as SSD can be used as a type of virtual memory for storing assets for faster access for streaming. That's a big leap over current technologies, where streamed assets are available faster, but not as fast as the rendering pipeline may need to draw a frame.

Double the memory though means more than double the available memory. The PS4 currently allows 5.5GB of data, with another 1GB available as reserved memory for system handled funtions. The rest is for the OS, and other system related processes. Since that requirement isn't likely to grow significantly, almost the entirety of the increase should be available to the developer....so, instead of 11GB available just through doubling the available memory, they'll have 13-14 GB available. That's a pretty big increase....although if you ask any dev, they'll say they want more.:)

[Butters360]

Gotta go fast.

[sushimama]

I got the PS2 Midnight launch. PS3 Midnight launch. PS4 Day one and I will pre-order the PS5 and get it day 1 too. NO LOAD SCREENS is amazing.

For example, I'm playing Hitman 2 at the moment and the load screens are over 30 seconds just to load a save game. It's such a pain. Also in open world games, imagine fast-travelling and not having to wait? Amazing

[chiefJohn117]

I'm sure there will be load screens. This is a PS4 game after all but it will be much faster next gen. I still gotta get Hitman 2 I forgot about it. Hopefully by the time I'm ready for it, it'll be on Gamepass. Or on sale for cheap

[sushimama]

Hitman 2 was like $30 Australian which is like $20 US dollars. It was a 'Deal of the Week' on the PSN lol. I knew I had to gobble that up. It's pretty cool :-D

[jjb1981]

I use those 8 seconds to fart and get something to drink. Good times.

[SyntheticForm]

Agreed. It's almost like they're rushing us now. Come on Sony, let us breathe.

[Tross]

When a game loads, it should take a while. It makes it so much better. Just kidding, I won't miss that. Sure, I was able to put up with it in the past, but it's not like it was something that thrilled me. Besides, if I want to take a second to breathe there's a perfectly good pause button. Now I just have to wait until pre-orders are open.

[blackblades]

Pause

[rainslacker]

Yeah...damn Sony. Now I won't have time to make myself a ham sandwhich every time I die. How will I feed my depression for being so bad at games.:(

[metabolicfrolic]

Damn. Guess you'll have to fart mid-gameplay now...

[SyntheticForm]

Farts can throw you off - off your chair if you're not stable enough. Hopefully PS5 gets a lot of stability to help with that too.

[ThatArtGuy]

Now we need a new Modnation Racers since they fixed the loading issue. LOL

[BLow]

Man there some haters on this comment section lol. So called gamers these days....

[MasterCornholio]

Now that's a system selling feature.

:)

[sushimama]

Even simply for the fact you can play all your PS4 backlog on a machine that loads super super quick. I wonder what it will do for games like Bloodborne. I'm really excited

[MasterCornholio]

Yeah Soulsborne games are the type of games that really need this.

[ziggurcat]

@master:

Considering how many times I die playing those games, it will be a great feature.

[FyBy]

WOW! Along with PS4 backward compatibility,Im looking forward to dwelve into some virtual words again!

[franwex]

Yes! Take me back to the days of no loading!
This gen games had a ton of loading (looking at you Final fantasy 15).

[shaun mcwayne]

I like loading screens, gives me time to roll a snoop dog.

[franwex]

You could pause, lol

[AK91]

Well done Sony this is a step in the right direction.

[Ninver]

I'm liking this alot. Hope devs use this feature to make more innovative experiences.

[Kosic]

I'm a little skeptical with this.
Unsure what the video source was (looked like Spiderman?).
But just feel those full stops on the PS4 pro footage may of been edited in, so you can see the need to upgrade.

I'd wait a little longer to see more truth in the footage. But I do hope this is actual footage of what we are getting as a product.

[warriorcase]

SSD coming to console is well overdue. Gonna be excellent.

[Imortus_san]

LOL, showing a SSD vs HDD as been done hundreads of times and years ago.

[Destiny1080]

this is not a normal ssd vs hard drive

this is a NVMe SSD vs hard drive {up to six times faster then a ssd}

sony is building it into the motherboard which will make it the fastest ssd on the planet

[Zeke68]

Source ?

[Neonridr]

we don't know what Sony has planned... they say a custom SSD. We don't have any speeds to indicate where it stacks up or whether or not it's using conventional SSD techniques (NVMe for example) or some proprietary method.

Time will tell.

[Cobra951]

To clarify what you said, NVMe is 5-6 times the speed of SATA III SSDs (the current norm), which are much faster than HDDs. There is no reason to build it into the motherboard. That would be rather dumb, since SSDs can fail with long use, and you'd need a whole new system board if a failed drive is integrated into it. NVMe SSDs on PC connect via the M.2 interface, and they lie flat against the motherboard. They're similar to memory DIMMs (though they usually stand up at 90 degrees to the mobo). Sony may have a proprietary solution, but really, it would be more economical for them to just use M.2. The drives are already out there in quantity, and users could replace them if necessary. Then again, Sony is Sony. They've opted for expensive proprietary memory sticks instead of SD cards before, so who knows.

[porkChop]

There is literally no source or evidence of that. It's just what some gamers who don't understand hardware have been saying.

If you build the SSD into the mobo it can't be replaced if it dies or if you need more storage. Sony isn't going to do that.

[akaFullMetal]

It's a first for consoles, of course they are going to show it off.

[rainslacker]

There's more to loading than just transferring data from the hard drive.

[franwex]

Right? That’s what I was thinking too. It’s about all the components working together to deliver an experience.

[william_cade]

Bloodborne 2 is going to be awesome.

[gamer7804]

I want to see the load time comparison between ps3 games on the ps4 vs ps5 ;)

[franwex]

Hmm. I’m guessing it’ll be a little longer on PS4 since they both use the same hdd style and there’s more RAM on PS4.

But I guess it depends on the games code and OS too.

[one2thr]

So waa that 8k GT asport played on this thing or a custom PC?

[chiefJohn117]

Metro and Anthem need this. Metro exodus loading is long ASF. This gen downloading/installing and load screens been a nuisance

[bluefox755]

Wow, that's damn impressive.

[Tzvi]

This shows only more or less if a ssd is mandatory in a system.
it says nothing about graphic power in generel.

[Nodoze]

The loading screen......RIP. THANK YOU SONY.

[FallenAngel1984]

It’s hilarious how you see Nintendo fans wish Sony would make PS5 some sort of hybrid console akin to Switch, yet something like this comes along and shows why powerful stationary consoles still have merit they could never imagine

With this level of raw tech good luck to devs trying to make multiplats on PS5 & Xbox Scarlett on the Switch, which would most likely be akin to porting PS3 & 360 games to Wii

[BlaqMagiq1]

Sony showing why once again they'll be on top.

[sampsonon]

wow! Days Gone can use that upgrade in load speed. love the game though. it just takes forever to start it.

[sushimama]

Yes very true. The PS5 is so exciting even just for the fact that we can play our whole PS4 backlog on the PS5 and benefit from the speed of loading. Days Gone and Bloodborne will be a much better experience.

[megaleo009]

Interesting,i imagine the installation games in the new freebsd os custon for ps5,if well ps4/pro, can run ssd,sony did 100% support for next gen,for the spiderman i don't care the time,but,those games which during 1 minute or more (maybe 2 or 3 minute)ps5 put with ssd (from sony) a 50% or 60% more fast in load screen,but i think that is more fast,for sure,i think for the new tecnology,is going to 85% more fast than everything.

[masterfox]

The processing power is going to be very high no doubt.

[GamingSinceForever]

Nice!

But I’m sure this will be the case for all next gen consoles.

[FanboysKiller]

HDD is history.

[GamingSinceForever]

I can see it now. The argument will be 0.83s for the PS5 vs 0.79s for the next XBox.

Mark my words. Lol!

[Zeke68]

Xbox runs Spiderman at 0 fps. 😉

[SyntheticForm]

At least it's a locked 0 though.

[Shikoku]

It is a game changer for sure

[HighPlayer28]

Wonder if Sony will enhance their past games now that Microsoft gave them the power of Azure cloud.

[MasterCornholio]

Enhance in what way because it's not Azure that's improving the load times which is what this article is about.

[HighPlayer28]

Ever heard of Enhanced BC on Xbox that what Im talking about.

[BenRC01]

Marketing kids, use your brains.

[Father__Merrin]

Wow that's quicker than ssd loading on my comp

[gazgriff2k12]

I would of never guessed that next gen would be SSHD. I cant see them adding more than 1tb so thier going to have to start compessing games again. im assuming ps5 games will be 200gb the way they make them today

[meep316]

Interesting marketing, I wonder if it will entice the masses?

[DafunkyRebel]

God of War 2 and HZD2 will be soooo damn smooth

[Kumakai]

ah finally. this is why power matters. think of how that will affect whats possible in open world games. no more seeing quadrants draw in in the distance, reduced shadow, texture pop, higher speeds of travel thru the world, not having to be artificially throttled for sake of the world loads keeping up. fast travel will actually be.... fast. yes please.

[ziratul]

Will it have 4k bluray player?

[Imalwaysright]

Ok but this is the cherry on top kind of thing that I'm expecting from next gen consoles. I want significant improvements in AI, interaction and how games are designed. If that doesn't happen then "next gen" just like the current gen to me will only be an extension from the 7th generation.

[XxINFERNUSxX]

Most likely an M.2 SSD. Been using one for quite a while it's fast, but so used to it now, so nothing like this moves me XD

[Count_Bakula]

and EA Sports will still not be able to optimize their menu responsiveness and simulation speeds despite the power of the systems.

[ziggurcat]

that's nearly instant. very nice.

[OG_TK_Cole]

That was pretty fast... I Cant wait!!

[D3vilzRightHand]

If you look really cloose in the windows on the buildings on the left while the "ps5" city demo is showing you can actually see that it actually seems to have ray tracing on those building's?

Ps4 pro windows on buildings are foggy/blacked out

"PS5" The windows have what looks like real time reflections.

[Maddens Raiders]

PlayStation 4 life.

[ajax17]

I wonder if the same speed will apply to actual next gen games

[Bane35]

Cool I can't wait to get a ps5 and see how fast my ps4 games load faster on the ps5

[Mr Marvel]

This is great and all, but realistically I’ll be getting a PS5 for Horizon Zero Dawn 2 and God of War 2 regardless.

[XtaZ]

Oh look at all you fanboys now being super excited over short loading times, but every time I have pointed out the horrendus loading times in Bloodborne in other articles I pull aggro on the entire site, get flamed, my comment reported as inappropriate and my inbox spammed by angry morons who tell to go to hell and that 40+ second loading times isn't bad at all and that I just need to learn to be patient.

Hilarious.

[bamillington]

hope its quieter than ps4

[justchilliando]

Actually the fastest PC right now can't load GTA 5 in 5secs ,that is Krazy fast there are YouTube videos comparing loading of ps5 with PS4 pro ,and still GTA 5 in 5secs ,there is not a PC available or an sdd or m.2 that can load that monster game that quick