Wargroove Developer Chucklefish Claims That Sony told Them NO to Cross-Play

A third Developer has now decided to speak out regarding Sony’s cross-play program, as the CEO of Chucklefish claims that Sony has repeatedly told them “no” when asking for cross-play support for the recently released Wargroove.

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EddieNX 7d ago

Only the big devs like Epic can force Sony to implement crossplay then so it seems.
Seems to be a huge whiff of arrogance and complacency about the way they're handling crossplay.

Just open the floodgates already. It would be so good if I could play the Anthem and Division 2 etc with my friends on PS4.

Razzer7d ago

Where did you read that Anthem and Division 2 were open to cross play?

Sgt_Slaughter7d ago

I interpreted it as they're hopeful, but nothing was confirmed.

EddieNX 7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

The only reason crossplay isn't currently Implemented in games like that is presumably because of Sony not allowing it. If Sony starts allowing crossplay, why wouldn't games like The Division 2 have crossplay, it would be beneficial to Ubisoft.

Razzer7d ago

"The only reason crossplay isn't currently Implemented in games like that is presumably because of Sony not allowing it"

Well that isn't true. Bethesda back-tracked on cross play with Fallout 76. So unless they come out and explicitly say they want cross play then you can't assume they would and then blame Sony.

Christopher7d ago

***why wouldn't games like The Division 2 have crossplay, it would be beneficial to Ubisoft.***

Because bigger companies don't tend to have number issues and would rather people rebuy games. You know, the same reason third party developers very rarely allow an XBO game purchase to come with a free copy on Windows even though that's what Microsoft does.

King_Noctis7d ago

“Electronic Arts mentioned earlier this year that they were strongly pushing cross-platform play for all of their games in the future, and though BioWare has mentioned no crossplay in the past it looks like that doesn't necessarily mean forever.”

Razzer7d ago


Thanks for the information. So EA isn't in a rush either for cross play either. Time to stop pretending like everyone is waiting on Sony. Just is not the case.

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SurgicalMenace7d ago

Who gives a crap about cross play? Man up and get all the systems if you want to play with other people, stop trying to get something for free. I swear, if you're too broke to afford it, maybe a reevaluation of your priorities is in order. So tired of hearing the input and opinions of non contributors.

DaDrunkenJester7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

I have friends that own either or. I own all, so I'd need to buy multiple copies to "man up" or they need to spend money on another console, just to play with all my friends? Cross-play is a much simpler and consumer friendly option that benefits online games because if larger player pools

EddieNX 7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

Right..... So everyone in the entire world should buy all three systems . Maybe there's what, 10% of gamers who can afford/want all three? How about Sony pulls their finger out and then less privileged/people who only want 1 console can play together.

I'm definitely not too broke to afford it, but you just sound like an A hole with no consideration for anyone else and no common sense.

What about people on the move with a Switch who want to play with their buddies at home on their PS4's ? That's nothing to do with not being able to afford all three consoles.
there's lots you're not taking into consideration.

With me , I don't want a PS4. I don't like interactive films. But it would be nice for me on Switch/ One X, to be able to play with people on PS4.

Vasto7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

So if I want to play Call Of Duty with people on Xbox, PC and PS4 I need to first buy an Xbox, PC and PS4 system.

Then I need to buy the same Call Of Duty for Xbox, PS4 and PC?

If its a game that is also on Switch then thats another system I have to buy and then buy same game again.

Nah, just enable crossplay so all you need is 1 system and buy the game 1 time.

SurgicalMenace7d ago

Who cares about simple? What's simple for you is likely more complicated for business, making it ultimately bad for business. Think about something outside of yourself and what you want, perhaps then it will all make sense.

Yeah, much like 1% of the worlds wealth is controlled by few, but that doesn't keep people from pursuing it. So....let's measure common sense for a moment, you don't want a PS4 yet you want to play with people who did want one?!?! Also, because the Switch lacks any semblance of competent online functionality, you expect Sony to compensate where Nintendo is not willing? You must be a socialist too, Lmbo. Options are for those who work to have them, not those who want them based on another person's efforts.

I'll take being an A**hole, with a greater understanding of how things actually work instead how I believe, think, or feel about them. I buy what is necessary to play or go without, that's life, suck it up. If you don't have a proper savings, your own home, form of transportation, with a abundant source of income, you're playing outside of your means anyway. Playing in a virtual world for too long is what creates these instances of pissing and moaning about what's not working for you in the real one. Either contribute or be quiet, because these companies are the top performers and why should they listen to anyone that hasn't done anything more than entertain themselves?

Furthermore, yes, you buy whatever is necessary or just be content with what you can afford. Period

Cikatriz_ESP7d ago

And you buy multiple copies of every game, switching between accounts and making progress with a different character when you want to play with friends on different consoles? That’s super practical.

I choose to believe you’re trolling, because I don’t like the idea of living in a world where people actually have such arrogant opinions.

SurgicalMenace7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

There is no arrogance in what I stated. Those are the options in the industry, so you either use them or you don't. Period. Yes I buy everything that I want to experience, like all responsible adults do. I've never complained about anything that I don't have anything to contribute towards the change. That is just crying. You're free to label me as you will, because at the end of the day, you'll still have to buy everything necessary to get your desired result. Lmbo No amount of bitching is going to change that. Lol No need to troll, rally, or otherwise when you walk what you speak. I tend to buy hundreds of games as a means of option. Practicality only applies to those who work for others to decide their worth. Question: If you had the abilities to make 60,000 a month, would being practical still be a factor? With my income I educate, invest, and entertain, so if the industry says that I have to buy multiple games then so be it. My job is not to cry about it, my job is to increase my earnings to meet their demand, while not having to sacrifice my wellbeing to do it. Though many do not exercise the same way, the option to increase ones standard of living is always there. I am a truther, and the truth does not consider the thoughts, feelings, or beliefs of others, that would make it a lie.

King_Noctis7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

“stop trying to get something for free”

Umm we already bought the game, so how is that “getting something for free”? Or you mean we have to buy another copy of the same game just to play with friends on other system? That is what “rich” people like you do right?

jojo3197d ago

I'm not interested in a flame war over what system is better, etc. I own all three systems, and cross play/progression are great. My daughter plays Fortnite on her switch, and I can play against her on my PS4. I realized how much I missed it when I wanted to play Apex Legends with her and couldn't. I would think multi-console homes are more popular than you might think. I would also rather have 1 Xbox and 1 PS4 as opposed to have 2 of the same console just so I can play online games with my kids. The days of split-screen are almost extinct at this point, so cross play is a great way for families to play together. So "manning up" isn't really the issue. It's one of convenience.

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gravedigger7d ago

But game isn't out yet for PS4.

neutralgamer19927d ago

Bethesda spoke up yet didn't allow it stop blaming Sony. It's all about revenue and sony controls the market

3-4-57d ago

Sony has done good with the PS4, but the entire company and a lot of the fan base have been arrogant this gen and it's not a good look.

Bragging and bring arrogant are not good qualities.

Regardless of company, decisions like these will backfire eventually....Developers will be annoyed and eventually just not even make their game for the PS5.....Some won't be able to financially make that stand though so we will see what the future holds.

Sony has made some not so wise choices as of late and I'd hate to see it negatively effect the PS5 sales.

I own all the consoles.

rainslacker6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Those really big devs like the guys who made Rocket League?

Yeah, guess you're right.

"The only reason crossplay isn't currently Implemented in games like that is presumably because of Sony not allowing it."

Is that so? And who is presuming that? Any relevant quotes or data to suggest this is the case? Or is it that most publishers don't care as much as you want to posit?


"So if I want to play Call Of Duty with people on Xbox, PC and PS4 I need to first buy an Xbox, PC and PS4 system.

Then I need to buy the same Call Of Duty for Xbox, PS4 and PC?"

Yep. That's what the publishers would prefer. Otherwise, they could easiliy implement cross buy, but they don't do that, despite it being available since last gen. It's why they don't care that much about cross play now.

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Sgt_Slaughter7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

Going to need an explanation from the defenders as to how this is a good thing, because it's not.

SurgicalMenace7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

On moochers want cross play with systems that they don't own, period. Entitled do nothings always crying about what they don't get for free. Hell go create your own network service and perhaps you'll get closer to your desired goal.

SpeedDemon7d ago

Chill out Chris Crocker
"Leave Sony alone!"

King_Noctis7d ago

“Entitled do nothings always crying about what they don't get for free.“

Again, what do you mean? You want us to pay for crossplay?

TK-557d ago (Edited 7d ago )

"On moochers want cross play with systems that they don't own, period"

I own all the systems. I just don't want to have to purchase multiple versions of the same game.

Tross7d ago

I don't think it's ideal that a great new feature is being implemented on other systems but not my system of choice, but it's really just that, a neat new feature that gamers have lived without until now. It would be nice to have, for sure, but I fail to see how it's this ultra-disaster that the media and some fanboys are making it out to be. If it's a feature that has any relevance to you, as in you have friends you really want to play with who only own systems you don't own, perhaps I would recommend checking out multiplayer multiplats on a system where that's possible.

If all your friends own PS4s or you just intend to play with strangers like most online gamers do, it's considerably less imperative, and more on the "hey that's kind of lit" side of things, and the PS4 will probably have a reasonably large pool of players regardless. Struggling indie games may benefit a bit more from crossplay, mind you, and might extend their shelf life a little, but the PS4 should still have enough of a player base to make those work for a good while too.

Hardiman7d ago

Sony just doesn't have crossplay with the competition. They have more crossplay titles than either M$ or Nintendo. They've also been doing it longer.

TK-557d ago


"They have more crossplay titles than either M$ or Nintendo."

No one seems to be willing to provide numbers on this and even if it's true how long until MS and Nintendo overtake? Numerous games are implementing it or showing desire to implement it so how long?

"They've also been doing it longer."

This is a lie. They started the same time with the same game: http://www.guinnessworldrec...

rainslacker6d ago (Edited 6d ago )


Here ya go. Just a quick google search away

I counted once. I don't care to do it again.

How long before MS and Nintendo overtake I couldn't say, but since they are both less than a year into the cross play market, I'd say that they have a ways to go compared to Sony's almost 15 years of cross play support through API implementation, and actual compliance standards.

If they started it at the same time, as you posit(and they kind of did actually), then MS really back tracked, and if none of the developers cared for all those years to implement it, despite there being no apparent obstacles(although there were), then why do they suddenly care about it in the past couple years? because the Rocket Legaue guy said something. One dev, which sparked a controversy that was barely a talking point last gen, and Spencer deciding to use PR for his own benefit.

People can only refute the facts you say no one is willing to put numbers for, by saying that it's only about console cross play. These people don't care about cross play, because if they cared, the platform shouldn't matter, and PC should be just as relevant as other consoles. They complain purely as an exercise to criticize Sony.

TK-556d ago (Edited 6d ago )


"I counted once. I don't care to do it again."

And a quick scan of it shows that they seem to be in favour of crossplay specifically when its with the Vita for the most part. Seems that when they needed it as a selling point for the struggling Vita it was a great idea. When its for the benefit of the player-base they're not so keen.

"If they started it at the same time, as you posit(and they kind of did actually), then MS really back tracked, and if none of the developers cared for all those years to implement it, despite there being no apparent obstacles(although there were), then why do they suddenly care about it in the past couple years?"

"If they started it at the same time, as you posit(and they kind of did actually), then MS really back tracked, and if none of the developers cared for all those years to implement it"

Yup, It was in its early years and the few games that did implement it weren't ever huge successes like Fortnite. I think Shadowrun was MS's early attempt and even used Crossplay as a selling point. The feature back then across all platforms was treated as something you could only dream about. The response was always "they're different services to how could they interact?".

"then why do they suddenly care about it in the past couple years? because the Rocket Legaue guy said something. One dev, which sparked a controversy that was barely a talking point last gen, and Spencer deciding to use PR for his own benefit."

it's been far longer than 2 years. We can definitely track back to atleast 4 years where they announced Fable: Legends would have crossplay. Obviously the game didn't release but it shows they cared about it longer than the 2 years you've claimed. To add to that they've talked about having crossplay with Xbox and Windows 10 for years as well. Also, I think you're mis-remembering what put cross-play in the headlines. It wasn't a developer making a PR statement coming out in favor of it as you've claimed, but Fortnite cross-progression being locked out of other consoles if you signed into a PS4 for as little as a second. That is where people began asking "why can't we have cross-play with those systems?" and Sony gave some very poor defenses for their positions. That was how it crossplay got the attention and gained steam.

"These people don't care about cross play, because if they cared, the platform shouldn't matter"

It matters to me because I own those systems. Why should I be forced to buy 2 versions of a game when the developers have shown its possible, and that in most cases they're willing, to implement a feature that makes all versions interact with each other? The defense you've offered is the typical one fanboys give which is that we all just hate Sony. Can you offer one good reason to block cross-play? There is one that in some cases can be justified but Sony has shown they will not block it for those reasons so they're out the window. Hopefully one that doesn't require a tinfoil hat please.

Chocoburger6d ago


You believe FFXI had a simultaneous launch on both PS2 and Xbox 360? Seriously? Here are the actual launch dates. Clearly not the same time:

PlayStation 2
JP: May 16, 2002
NA: March 23, 2004
Microsoft Windows
JP: November 7, 2002
NA: October 28, 2003
EU: September 17, 2004
Xbox 360
NA: April 18, 2006
JP: April 20, 2006
EU: April 21, 2006

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Gamingsince19817d ago

I don't see it as a good thing or a bad thing , I couldn't care less either way. Add cross play don't add crossplay it makes no difference to me at all.

CaptainCook7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

They don't understand why this is a good thing. Small indie developers will need Cross-play to keep their games active and increase the userbase.

rainslacker6d ago

Hmmm....well, cross play is hard to implement on a system where your game isn't even released yet.

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Razzer7d ago

There is obviously a disconnect between what Layden is saying to the media and what his employees at Sony are saying to developers. They need to straighten this shit out. Once they opened up cross play then they have to honor that decision or continue to look incompetent. Why bother allowing cross play if they are just going to continue making it a PR disaster?

SurgicalMenace7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

The best solution is to buy an Xbox, PS4, and a Switch. Sony doesn't owe you anything. The ONLY reason Micro & Nin are implementing it is because they're both way behind Sony.

Furthermore, it's only a disaster to people looking to gain something for nothing. These companies need to start telling these entitled type to f*** off. What have any of you contributed besides buying games, which is paying for YOUR entertainment? If entertained adequately enough, then Sony has delivered all they were paid to supply.

gangsta_red7d ago

"The ONLY reason Micro & Nin are implementing it is because they're both way behind Sony."

How is allowing crossplay going to give MS and Nintendo an advantage over Sony, especially when Sony is so far ahead? And ONCE AGAIN isn't this a third party developer asking for this, not Nintendo or MS.

"These companies need to start telling these entitled type to f*** off."

That would be awesome PR. I wonder how that would turn out?

"What have any of you contributed besides buying games, which is paying for YOUR entertainment?"

Positive that BUYING games is contributing a lot more than your novel idea of companies telling folks to "f*** off". I'm also for certain that us as the consumer/customer who supports these companies by buying these games with our hard earn cash should have a right to an opinion as long as it's grounded. Lets not even bring up the fact that developers who are working their ass off to bring us these games for our entertainment are also asking for this. The fact that you feel we have to do anything more to be of some type of relevance just goes to show how delusional you are. Either that or trying desperately hard to white knight Sony.

SurgicalMenace7d ago

Who gives a s*** about PR? If it's truth, say it. I've made millions without sacrificing an ounce of my principle foundation. If you don't like it, deal with it.

Comsumers/Developers alike have this entitled mentality that they deserve more than what is earned through contribution. Furthermore, our purchase of games is selfish at most, because if it wasn't initially entertaining to us we wouldn't consider investing. Question: Does your investment portfolio contribution match your contribution towards the desire to play games? Which one is most beneficial?

When you wanted your parents or your employer to do what was bad for the house, what was their response? F*** off. Not so novelty, is it? Would you allow a stranger, that pays none of your bills, to have a say in how you run your house? No!! You are correct, people are entitled to their opinion, but people are equally entitled to dismiss them. Lol

Doggy1237d ago

@surgicalmenace- made millions - have you been playing monopoly again !!!!!

SurgicalMenace6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Monopoly? Yeah my parents taught me that game at 5 along with raising me to know the benefits of financial freedom. Monopoly is one of my favorite games, btw. Lol Yes I have made millions, sir, would you like if I showed you. Be careful, it could stifle your scepticism and create a level of resentment towards the fact that you could have done more than play games. I built my wealth through opening a chain of video game stores, liquidating them to spearhead 3 new companies. Currently, I am starting a new one, which will strengthen the others. PM me and I'll give you a screenshot of one of my 12 accounts. Freedom is real, sir, don't deny its existence just because you dont have it. JS

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ziggurcat7d ago

I don't think the memo quite got to that particular account manager. there is a clear break in the line of communication that needs to be rectified ASAP.

Sono4216d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I don't understand why Sony doesn't just make it allowed across the board, I mean it really helps with smaller multiplayer games, just do it already. And games where people create and publish levels like Far cry, it would be even more useful, just let it fkn happen sony, you were cool with it last gen, what happened?

rainslacker6d ago

There's no disconnect. He's saying that devs should refer to their account representative. Those are the people devs and pubs talk to to handle compliance issues and special approvals. It's how it's been since day one with PS, and Nintendo and MS work in similar fashion.

Right now, since Sony is not supporting it for every game, and they've kept it in beta, their account rep is going to tell them no, or tell them to wait until its been opened up.

Popular games are likely to get in the program sooner, because there will be more people to test it against. It'd be easier to test it on those games, as opposed to this game, which hasn't even released on PS4 yet. They're also more likely to allow devs with a better track record of running their games get into the program, before they start allowing less established or unproven devs into the program, as bigger devs are going to be quicker to adapt to any changes made during the beta process.

There's nothing for them to straighten out. Sony knows what it's trying to test right now. This game, and some others, obviously don't fit into what they're trying to test.

The only other unknown is what they need to open the flood gates, or why the beta was extended in the first place, because it was supposed to be out of beta already.

All I know is that devs that go out and try to win public favor on these issues are probably not going to be put into the beta, because they can't prove themselves to be reliable partners. The Rocket Legaue guy, and Epic have shown more initiative than all these other devs who decide to just speak out, instead of actively pursue through implementation and support for making it happen through practical means.

Razzer6d ago

Yes, there is a disconnect.

"We got to that place in Fortnite and it seems to be going reasonably well, from what I can tell. The Rocket League light up will happen soon. People keep saying, “Why doesn’t Sony allow more people to have it?” We’re open for business on this one. All it takes is for publishers and developers who wish to permission it. As ever, just work with your PlayStation account manager, and they will walk you through the steps that we’ve learned through our partnership with Epic on how this works. I don’t believe right now there is any gating factor on that. I think they’re open to make proposals, because the Fortnite thing worked pretty well. "

Layden makes it sound like it is just a formality. He says there is no gating factor. They learned the process through working with Epic and now they are "open for business".

But Chucklefish is being told no, he can't do cross play? Same for Hi-Rez? Sounds like a pretty significant disconnect to me.

rainslacker6d ago

From what I've heard, it is just a formality. Perhaps these devs just aren't doing what they need to do to be accepted? I know it's hard to believe that the devs may be at fault for not being in compliance, but it's not out of the ordinary for new compliance standards to and implementations in the API to not go smoothly. In fact, big changes often cause a lot of disruption to a lot of devs, particularly those that don't have big QA teams, with QA leaders who specialize in making sure compliance is the last two devs who made comments about it. This is true of all three companies.

Since Sony should give them a reason why they would deny an application, I call shenanigans on this dev, because a "No" never comes without an explanation on the specific reason they're being told no. It just doesn't happen like that, and what Layden said is more in line with how Sony handles compliance acceptance. You work through a person assigned to you to make requests, or if there is a compliance issue you're trying to solve which you are unsure how to do. I work with one myself for the tools I make, and they are helpful, but often curt and to the point, because they are assigned many accounts, but when need be, they will make the effort to get things done.

I know it's something people want to blame Sony on, but consider who's saying Sony said no to them, and what the other bigger devs have said about it. The bigger devs never claimed they asked permission, just DOA one that positted a theory on what it would take. Bethesda called out Sony, but obviously never asked, as they had no intention of implementing it. The RL guy back in the day asked, and was told no because it wasn't available, yet he seemed to be accepted once the beta was in effect, which came soon after the compliance standards changed, so obviously he did what he had to do. All others before the beta were told no because it wasn't available. Hi-Rez earlier this week just called out Sony on twitter with no details. Chucklefish doesn't even have their game released yet.

What Layden said, is what every dev thought was the case after the January compliance update went into effect. That you could implement the API, and then for the time being, you had to get special permission until it went fully live, when it'd be just like it is to implement PC cross play. I don't know of any dev who has actually applied for it yet, because most really don't care, and most devs when they have a work in progress, don't go talking about what's going on with their game outside specific times where they may need help from the dev community, and even more, don't go spending time making a public case for it.

Who to believe? Layden, the head of PlayStation who says it's fully live, and devs just have to go through the process, or a couple small indie devs who give no details on why they were told no, or if they even applied in the case of Hi-Rez, and one of which, whose game no one had likely heard about, and doesn't even have their game released on the system? Are you suggesting that Layden is lying, because what he says sounds like typical operations at Sony, and I doubt he'd be clueless on if the service was live for application yet....particularly since he's going to know the questions for interviews like this before he ever starts talking. It's been less than a month before this years compliance standards went live. Maybe consider that things don't always happen immediate, and any compliance application can easily take 2-3 weeks to make it through and be approved.

SuperSonic916d ago

We all know that XBL is MS's only trump card left so they are desperate.

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Tross7d ago

Same here. I think crossplay would be a nice feature to have, but it's not a requirement and it's certainly not the mountain people are making this molehill out to be. If the PS4 had it, I'd find that pretty neat, but so long as it has the game I want to play and a reasonably sized pool of players, I really don't care whether they're all playing on PS4s or not. All my friends have PS4s anyways, so whatevs.

Gamingsince19817d ago

Exactly how I feel, it's a none factor. They could add it they could never add it , I wouldn't use it anyway, in one word the issue is ....meh.

Sgt_Slaughter7d ago

Okay, good for you. That shouldn't mean it's not a feature implemented though. You can ignore it still then, too, while countless other people enjoy it.

bigmalky6d ago

I never said no, I just said I don't care. Console war talk while actually gaming? I can see the fun we could all be having. /s

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gangsta_red7d ago

Did this developer not go through Sony's "beta" program?

Jin_Sakai7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

Why would Sony allow cross-play between PS4 and Xbox One when Microsoft wouldn’t allow it between 360 and PS3?

“Xbox Live delivers the best entertainment experience unmatched by anyone else, with 35 million actively engaged members. We have a high level of expectation for our game developers to ensure that all Live experiences remain top notch. Because we can't guarantee this level of quality, or control the player experience on other consoles or gaming networks, we currently do not open our network to games that allow this cross-over capability."

Dissidia7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

Because that was years ago and the gamers that buy these consoles and games want it to happen.

PlayStation is "For the players." right?

gangsta_red7d ago

So because Xbox didn't allow it years and years ago means Sony shouldn't allow it now?

Your defense has to come better than that Jin

SurgicalMenace7d ago

"For the Gamers" means entertainment that appeals to them, not building an infrastructure which costs millions to maintain and give it for free? Did you not notice the charge for PSN, now?

SurgicalMenace7d ago

When you pay for your games, you get them, right? End of story. It's not like you're investing your money into Sony with no return. Smh How about all of you crying about cross play, pony up some of your own capital to make it happen. I'm sure all of you will get quiet then.

darthv727d ago

Different people in charge back then. New people in charge now want change. Is that so wrong?

DJK1NG_Gaming7d ago

oh poor child you are holding a grudge for a company you don't work for

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RauLeCreuset7d ago

At least we can count on most of Sony's exclusives to look like they made it out of beta.

rainslacker6d ago

Probably not, because the game isn't released on PS4 yet.

Funny how many people criticize Sony over this, and obviously have no clue about this game at all. After all the fervor dies down to be able to hate on Sony for this one particular story, everyone would forget the game again.

Quick quiz. Without looking at the title of the article, how many people could name the dev, or the game in question? Think that says it all really. It's not a matter of principal. It's a matter of hate without even trying to consider anything other than that hate. It always has been, it always will be.