Cowen believes weak pre-orders for EA’s “Battlefield V” title is putting the company's financial guidance at risk.
I hope this really bites EA in the a$$, 85% behind is a massive sales drop. It's their own fault, there'a a very simple rule - listen to your loyal fanbase! The long term fans are the ones that have supported BF, and been there all these years; it's NOT the SJW's who don't even play the game, you should be pandering to. The real issue for me is not about women, or customisations or even historical accuracy. The real issue for me is that EA and to a lesser extent - DICE, have all but lost touch with their fanbase. They are so blinded by Fortnite, Overwatch and COD that they're let go of what BF is supposed to be. Much more importantly, they've completely lost touch as to why the fanbase chose to play BF and not fortnight or PUBG. I hope for the sake of the future of the franchise and for DICE as a studio that they learn their lesson. EA is notorious for chopping off the hand that feeds them. I'll never forgive them for shutting down Visceral Games
Glad you played it and decided they didnt do what their fans wanted...
Could be the greatest Battlefield ever made but since they basically told me to go F myself and not buy the game that is exactly what I’m going to do. A shame too, I was looking forward to a WWII Battlefield again, guess I’ll be waiting another decade. Hopefully by then they’ll have learned their lesson.
@Kyizen You do know that they had two Alpha test right? But besides that what reason do you have for why the pre-orders are 85% below that of BLOPS 4; especially when pre-orders for BF1 were tracking higher than for COD:WWII?
To me it's the disrespect they have towards everything that happened in the setting. The theater war for world War 2 is something that shouldn't be taken lightly. So a grounded realistic setting that as a game is fun to play but still for you to understand what happened is what I wanted to see. So an epic scale realistic WW2 shooter. No single Dutch person in the Rotterdam trailer, female soldiers with bionic arms, no sovjet army (yet), forced battle Royale, fake customizations and probably emotes too. I mean I can live with playing (actually very excited) a woman that's trying to escape in Norway and protect her family which is one of the stories but I don't want to see or play with bionic soldiers online or in historical inaccurate settings. That's not what Battlefield has ever been about. This should have the technological leap from Bf1942 in the same way that BF3 succeeded BF2. Worst of all are the comments made by execs of dice and ea who are just rude towards the community that bought almost all BF games released
Just checked some jackfrags gameplay and yes, the game does look good but that is because the customization option isn't used to the fully (beta and from how people chose to look, all very grounded) so I didn't see any weird things. However I do expect that to happen when the game is released.
@Elazz I get where you are coming from, however saying that previous Battlefields have always been about accurate historic settings is stretching the truth a tad. Look at BF1 for example, a huge amount of weapons, tanks etc didn't even make it to the battlefield, either because the war ended before they could get them into mass production, or because it never even got of the design table. Look at the huge hulking plate armour class in BF1, that never happened. I agree that the whole bionic arms thing is very jarring, but for me, I would rather give the devs the benefit of the doubt and actually try the game before portraying "its a failure" and lose out on potentially a great game.
@Shaggy2303 It doesnt have to be a "real" war simulator. But when people talk about it not being realistic it is because it stretches past these peoples REALM of possibilities for most people to the point that it sucks our immersion of the game out. It is a literal disconnect and reminds us just how "unreal" it is. Most people couldnt tell you if the tank or weapon used feels like or was in WWI. But most people dont look at a WWII soldier with a mohawk and blue face paint and go "Oh yeah, that totally happened." These are two different types of realism we are talking about.
There is no bionic arm...smh. The whole deal with the prosthetic arm is indeed silly and should not have been included, but come on, don't say erroneous things just to be a sharp stick.
I don't agree with this. They have a Single Player, Multiplayer, and Battle Royals. They removed loot boxes and competitive micro transactions. How can you say they don't listen to their fans?
@ Newmanator When fans voiced concerns that the cosmetics DICE were introducing would fundamentally change the tone of the, DICE/EA basically, did not listen to the concern, nor did they taken on board the suggestion of being able to turn of the presentation of other player customisations. They basically dig their heels and and said the fanbase were uneducated, misogynists, and that they should not buy the game if they don't like it. That's definitely NOT how you engage with your fanbase, and demonstrates that you don't care to listen and take on board fan feedback.
Every time I read bad news and tidings for EA, I smile a little. Am I bad ?
I haven't pre ordered BFV and I won't but not for any of the reason you've mension. You sound a little self rightous and anytime I hear whining about "SJWs" I toon out. But to me it's more about the over all BF experience. I'm not sure what it is anymore. I like that they fixed the guns and I love customization and the freedom their taking with the setting. They've gotten rid of Premium (I think that's what did the real damage here) and destruction is back in a real way. But I've played BF for so long it's more about the little things. No matter what they tell us team work has become less and less important, continuity between what is seen on screen and what actually happened in game has stayed inconsistent at best, basic interaction with the environment have stayed at PS3 levels, getting your character cought on a brick or trail track is unbelievable in this day and age. It's that polish that we lose with these yearly installs. Take a damn break and make the best game you can otherwise, I'm done buying what they're selling. (Until it's on sell right after launch 😅)
Go woke go broke. Man 80% behind blops 4 is an insane number.
EA gon learn today!
Nah they won't. But we can hope the loss in sales might give them a nudge
No offense but EA deserves this
EA can go die for all I care they need to pay for all the stupidity they’ve cause in the last 4-5 years... the worse part is the continue to “promise” cunsumers they’re gonna “change” what a load of bull...
Step 1: Fill your game which is a sequel in a beloved franchise with historical revisionism and make it like Fortnight mixed with CoD. Step 2: Tell your fanbase they are misogynists and that they shouldn't buy the game if they can't accept this new direction. Step 3: Nobody buys your game because a majority of people don't live in your bubble world of radical feminism. Step 4: ???? Step 5: No profits!!!
Step 4: Conclude the game didn't sell because people don't like WW2, since misogynists and haters are just a supposed "vocal minority", and avoid WW2 like the plague for the next 15 years.
Should have made Bad Company 3 instead
Make a game the fans want nah never
Buying 2 copies now!
While your at it, send me that third copy. Might as well play the game if I'm gonna not like the game.
The thing that got me is any criticism of the game labelled you as a bad person and that criticism might only be the customisation options are to steam punk for a ww2 game let me turn them off. Ea basically turned their back on fans and put their fingers in their ears and yelled la la la la la not listening you're a bad person la la la
Yeah that angle that they took on people criticizing the game was incredibly stupid, I still can't grasp why a multi billion dollar company would make such a dumb mistake as to bring politics into it and label their own fanbase and potential newcomers.
Hahaha we believe analysts now? Sheeesh hypocrits wherever I look
These guys are purely going off of established numbers is not a prediction like most analysts
Numbers don't lie. It's just that facts. For all we know post launch BFV sales might drastically pick up, and the game could go on the be the best selling in the entire franchise. For example, No Man's Sky was able to turn around it's poor reception, and now it's quite a good game. But the facts are facts, BFV has not been received well by the community and this is reflected in lukewarm pre-orders.
Where do they get their preorder numbers from? EA? I dont think so, at least there is nothing stated in the article that they do. So as it stands, its not a fact at all. Please tell me otherwise if I missed something
Or we can look at the numbers and come up with our own theories and conclusions regardless of what the analysts say and perhaps we might reach the same potential conclusion. Only a sheep like you says "Oh it came from an analyst, it must be false."
Where are the numbers? Because there is no link to any number from any site at all in the article As it stands it comes directly from themselfs. Its not like they asked EA *could you give us your preorder Numbers?* So it is still a prediction off of fantasy numbers, wich might be close, but also might be far behind.
@Ultr You are right they didnt link to any numbers, but what you are saying is that they are flat out lying about them at this point. Because if their numbers are wrong for one then that means the numbers would be wrong for COD in the same fashion. Meaning if they were undertracking preorders for BFV then they are also undertracking preorders for COD meaning the ANALYSIS of those undertracked numbers still shows BFV tracking ~85% below COD. So congrats you made a point and also proved it didnt matter as long as they tracked both numbers from same source. ...Drumroll please Also if you did any research about where the numbers came from you would realize they basically use Amazon preorder data. Which I am sure they are contractually required not to release specific "data" numbers which is why they usually have their own, what they call, "odometer" tracking analysis. Try harder. You're still a sheep.
Basicly add some of their own secret sauce on top of it. Yeah I will absolutely believe them instead of just wait for it to release and see :P I did not say they are lying I just said their numbers may mean NOTHING. And thats a fact. I don't know why all of a suddon one analysts numbers means so much to you. But I hope they make you feel better
So sad really, massive battlefield fan but after dice calling people uneducated and to not buy the game if they didn't like it... Guess I'll speak with my wallet. This is coming from someone who has bought every battlefield that has been released. I hope the SJW you were pandering to buy multiple copies.
They did this themselves. If they wanted to include women, that's fine, just bring light to a great soldier or unit that had women in it. This metalic claw superhero woman was terrible. A lot of people were turned off of it not because it is a woman (Tomb Raider does well, so it's not because it's a woman), it's just how forced it feels in this game ot make a political statement. Then, instead of just understanding the backlash, they call people uneducated and say don't buy the game. LOL. WHAT? I hope this game fails and they fall of their "we are better than everyone else" throne.
Preorders are a thing of the past and should be relied on as a source of information. Pre-orders were there before so you were going to have one because stores didn't get many copies to being with. Now with digital being an infinite amount and stores getting way more than they need for major titles, there is no real reason to pre-order anymore unless it's a very niche title or a collectors edition.
Although you do have a point, even when compared to Red Dead II and Black Ops 4, this game is significantly behind their numbers. So, even though total pre-orders aren't as high as say last generation, when compared to other games releasing around the same time as this, it is like 80% behind. Still shows in relation of how negatively perceived this game has become. I swear man, EA is ruining games now. They killed Mass Effect.
That has nothing to do with this. Lets say you are 100% right, how do you explain the CURRENT preorder of one game RIGHT NOW to another CURRENT preorder of a game RIGHT NOW? Even if they are a thing of the past and down from previous this is comparing two games on preorder right now not comparing it to preorders of the past. They are both in this "thing of the past" field together and one is tracking 85% behind the other.
I Hope this fails, this will teach them a lesson, apparently according to Ea mindset if you want a gritty and immersive game inspired by movies like dunkirk and saving private ryan where brave men take centre stage you are an illiterate ku klux klan supporter, hell they even said deal with this or don't buy the game, well DON'T BUY THE GAME
I plan to get this game but I haven’t pre ordered. I’ll get it from cd keys when it’s near release. I wanted a modern battlefield sequel to bf4. But I’ll just have to settle for this in the meantime.
I'll try the beta and make my mind up then, I really enjoy BF1 so I don't mind the reskin. If DICE do a modern shooter I'd prefer if it was Bad Company 3. Then they can do whatever they want with customisations and there wouldn't be a problem.
"If you don't like it don't buy it." Kay...
Played the game and it's fantastic. Sales will pick up for sure. But it's bad release window. Lot's of great big games coming out. And on PC everyone can pay a low sum and play it for a month to try it before forking over the full price.
I mean fundamentally battlefront 2 was a fantastic game but the way ea treated the community was in a way very similar to this and that title struggled before being included in every sale under the sun. If we could remove ea and it's attitude from the picture we would all be better off.
I agree with Battlefront 2 and the lootbox situation. But I agree with basically nothing on why some are angry at EA and Dice over Battlefield V.
I like E.A said no one ever! It would do the gaming community a favor if they pulled out of the gaming market today! While I have enjoyed some of the battlefields over the years it does not make up the bullshit E.A has pulled.
What the absolute fuck were they thinking? It’s like the Ghostbusters debacle all over again. If my wife was reading chiclet novel or holistic health therapy book and halfway through they inserted a bunch of dick jokes would she really respect that publisher next time? It’s fucking disrespect the way they revealed this game.
Good maybe we can finally break the damn cycle of these annual releases, just need people to get tired of COD.
Cods numbers are slowing minus ww2 they are significantly lower this generation and continue to drop with each interation. The only exception to this has been ww2 they hit that one out of the park and it was a sales boom because they listened to the fans.
Don't. Pre-order. Games. Ever.
I pre-ordered Spiderman and Donut County to support those game companies and their games that I look forward too, what's wrong with that ??!!
When they rip $47.99/37.99 out of my hands I’ll stop pre ordering. Until then...
Could just be a lack of preorder bonuses? EA are pushing for a digital future, what is the point of preordering a game that is digital.
well, i hope EA dies after this. next, activision!
It is the first time when battlefield is a no Autobuy for me even though the WWII setting is by far my favourite setting in shooters in general! But i'm not sold to the weird design decisions. I wouldn't demand dice to change their vision for the game but they can't expect me to buy the game either.
To think this is all because of having female soilders in WW2... I can't say how much I'm disappointed in gamers. The game looks insane.
Its because of them not getting the hint that no one wanted this. BC is what they wanted. And yes having female classes was another COD tac on that no one asked for. BF was never suppose to follow in COD foot steps. EA thinks differently, and DICE should know better.
No, it has nothing to do with a female lead. Look at Tomb Raiders success and how hyped people are for TLOU 2. The problem is how this was thought up. DICE threw politics into the mix for no reason. This female lead, who apparently is rambo-esq with a claw? LOL Please. I have no idea what they were thinking. I am a HUGE WWII nerd and this is insulting to the women who served. Why not make a game that brings recognition to a specific woman solider or unit and play that story out? Why not make the lead character someone like Lyudmila Pavlichenko, who was a Soviet sniper with over 300+ confirmed kills? Why not make a game around Nancy Wake, who was one badass guierrilla solider? Why not bring ANYTHING that resembled what these brave women did as opposed to a robotic like female that we saw in the trailer. It has nothing to do with it being a woman, rather how ridiculously they handled it and forced the issue.
Well said sir...well said. I like it.
Could care less about female soliders in a prodominatly online game I enjoyed cod ww2 for what it was and that had female troops in mp my gripe is with the customisation to make the game look like a steam punk fortnite version of ww2. Let me turn a filter on so I can see the base skins of troops not your stupid cyberpunk limbs and colourful skins.
It’s not, it’s the mowhalks, mechanical arms and not to period clothes and looking like Fortnite . Most don’t give a [email protected]$t about women in the game
BF was never COD. And devs should never be forced to check off a check lists to include any SJW nonsense.
i wonder what cods pre orders look like. I do believe fortnite stole most of the casual shooter in their market
I think I will love the game, I been a battlefield fan since bad company 2 and with the exception of bf hardline I love the series. I understand people mad cause of the women, historical accuracy, etc but for me a good fun entertaining game is all I care about.
Doubt it will be a failure, its the only shooter out there for adults.. So unless everyone is going to play laser tag in COD this year then it will sell well enough overall
Doesn't need an analyst to work that out. Thats what you get when you call your fanbase out as bigots and tell them not to buy the game. Bet they won't do it again lol.