Bethesda could be heading towards a standoff with Sony over cross-platform play. Not over Fallout 76, which does, as a multi-platform online multiplayer game.
It's not though. Bethesda always had a good relationship with Microsoft. I'm not surprised they're making a big deal out of this with Sony.
So what you are saying is this is a massive conspiracy by Microsoft so make Sony look bad?
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@annoyed Hes not saying that all its no secret Bethesda has always been in Ms corner since OG Xbox. Bethesda trying to stir the pot once again because MS allows crossplay and Bethesda is continuing to run with that narrative that Sony doesn't and its "urgent" that they do.. I mean they only have 2 online games ESO which nobody's played for for like 3 or 4 years now and the upcoming F76.
Bethesda games are mostly sht ....Sony doesnt lose anything if Bethesda goes for a stand off...in the contrary Besthesda are the ones who re losing all the Playstation fans....if lame Bethda dares let them come ..i support Sony s unmovable stance in this ridiculous crossplay trend
Thank you angelicice. That was a diamond comment. Not saying it's some wild conspiracy just that there is some back story to this. Thanks for stating this instead of piling on with the bs.
Yes it is a pr campaign by Microsoft, is that not clear.
Made me think of the Channel 4 Jordan Peterson interview. I'm going to be charitable and assume you were being sarcastic, lol.
Lol, that' kind of the direction i took with his post.
It's amazing to watch people go from, "I don't care about crossplay with other consoles" to, "Bethesda is in bed with MS" and "Bethesda games suck" just so they can keep their beloved piece of plastic from appearing less than perfect. News flash... it's not just Bethesda, but companies like Epic (as well as others) who are going to become increasingly frustrated with Sony's lack of maturity on the subject. Truthfully, Sony is screwing Sony fans out of games by taking this stance on crossplay, which will still be published on other consoles instead, but you guys are still talking nonsense? LOL!!! I thought we all agreed that MS needed more games in order to compete with Sony, yet having less games on Sony platforms doesn't matter if it has anything to do with Sony screwing up crossplay? Way to be hypocritical!
Hopefully Sony is heavily in first party, it’s not gonna be pretty when they are left out of multi platform multiplayer games because of anti consumer practices.
"So what you are saying is this is a massive conspiracy by Microsoft so make Sony look bad?" Have you not read Microsofts comments on it? Seen their attack ads? Its a fact, not a controversy that MS is using this to paint Sony in the worst light.
Beth are in bed with MS every chance they get. Morrowind Xbox exclusive. Trash Skyrim port on PS3. Making Sony gamers wait for months upon months (over a year maybe if I remember right), for DLCs for Fallout 3/Skyrim. Fallout 76 BETA first on Xbox. Always on MS's stage at E3. Try to make Sony look bad over mods and now trying to make Sony look bad over cross play. They probably resented having to release Skyrim VR on PSVR first after Phil went back on his word over supporting VR on Scorpio. And here they are, making threats to Sony over this niche card game that won't sell on consoles anyway, they can't afford to miss out on all that $$$ by doing the same with Fallout 76.
@AngelicIceDiamond They said in the article they want accounts that can connect to all platforms which includes the Switch, PC, Iphone and Android devices and that they're talking with everybody, not just Sony because they want everyone on board. It's not really a matter of singling them out or MS clearly asking Bethesda to do this, given the Fortnite controversy and the kind of game that this is, it seems like a fairly typical stance to protect themselves.
That's honestly what I'm starting to believe. There are so many damn articles lately talking about how Sony are being such assholes over this non-issue of crossplay.
@ Ajax17 Your problem is that it's not a "non-issue" and that's why it's an ongoing discussion. You're not starting to believe... you're starting to make believe!
To me they seem to be just trying to distract everyone from their recent fk ups and drive the attention to Sony. How come they are making s big deal over s mobile card game but not Multiplat games? GTFO Bethesda! You are smart enough not to abandon the biggest market this gen
Or, that the other article showed that cross play wasn't a crisis on playstation and the uproar was created to get Sony to react. The hype league are upset that Sony's sales weren't effected by the hype. All Sony responded with was "we'll think about it." So this article shows up in my opinion to start the merry-go-round again for a feature that's nice as we all have said, but not a big deal.
Why would it be dire for Bethesda without cross plat play between PS and X1? Other MP games don't have cross plat play and they are all doing fine. I don't care whether there is or is not cross plat play between the two systems. When Bethesda started making FO76 & ESL some years ago they knew full well at that time there was no cross platform play. Suddenly it's integral to their game design? I doubt it. Bethesda should be careful here. As it stands now, FO76 is not being warmly received but rather looked at with skepticism.
not sure why people put innovation behind favoritism in console wars. Crossplay like any other good features is a good thing. Most developers are pushing it, there is no reason games should be against it in any way.
Because they know better. Bethesda stop poking the bear. Your games aren't necessary for PlayStation to be successful. On the other hand PlayStation is necessary for your games to be successful.
@SierraGuy "Your games aren't necessary for PlayStation to be successful. " If games by Bethseda weren't on the PS4 I can tell you the PS4 would never have been as successful. People would have looked around wehn buying a console and saw the PS4 was missing out on Doom, Fallout, Rage 2, Wolfenstein, etc.. If they were only available on other devices (PC, Xbox, Switch) I be a lot more of those other devices would have been sold and a lot less PS4s. Consoles and third-party devlopers have a symbiotic relationsthip. Neither does well without the other.
They seem to back whatever pr Microsoft wants them to.
They've treated ps bad over ms for 10+yrs. They now threaten Sony over ms current look at us PR move. Hmmmmmm seems pretty clear.
They even bashed pc when Microsoft wanted people to do so, even though they have huge sales on pc compared to Xbox.
on a different note. We have the same profile picture.
OR because the majority of developers with multiplayer games believe that crossplay is also a big deal.
They should get into the business of hardware then.
The majority? Is that why so few games have had cross play between ps and pc for well over a decade now?
I don't think you know the definition of majority.
the he majority of developers who have spoken on the matter I mean. More who have commented on it said it would be a good thing.
Incredible how creative you get to justify every Sony mistake.
Critical? Get a grip. Most people don't even care. You ask the average casual gamer about cross play and the majority of them won't even know what you are talking about. My stance on this hasn't changed. I would like to have cross play, but it's not something I am all that concerned about. If it happens, it happens and if doesn't, then I'm really not all that fussed. So much crap coming out of Bathesda in the last week.
Those casual players that don't understand or care are the reason this matters for this casual game. Bethesda don't want someone to fire up the game on their iPhone and have to deal with complications. "Do you want your matchmaking and account progression be limited to the Playstation matchmaking pool, or the Xbox/Nintendo pool?* *Warning: If you choose the wrong option you may not be able to play with your friends. This decision cannot be changed later"
Right, because every game with a SSO worked like this before Fortnite (rolls eyes). You people need to realize the Fortnite developers messed up and SSOs on non cross platform games have been around and working just fine for a very long time. The problem that kicked this off consists of the Fortnite developers not handling what they would call an “edge case” well. Blame them and stop taking their blame game bait like a sucker.
This isn't like Fortnite. This is a turn-based game, that you can play a bit on your PC or console while you're at home or at work, and continue the session on your phone when you're out and about. Unlike Fortnite (and Fallout 76 etc), the multi-platform element fundamentally changes the ways you can play it. "You people" need to put your console warrior nonsense to one side, and embrace common sense.
Ps4 offers cross play with pc and mobile
Yeah because the biggest games of this year will be on my phone mannnnnnnnn what?
@Showtime Yes. Who said different? @GT the biggest game in the world right is surely Fortnite by most metrics, and yes it is on mobile. I have no idea what point you are trying to make.
Bethesda isn't known for trying to minimize complications that their customers may experience
When the average Joe buys consoles, they care about one thing only. GAMES. Bethseda needs to take a backseat, close the trap and make solid games people care about.
They want Sonyto listen to them but treat Sony 2nd rate.
Black They think playstation fans have forgotten how badly they treated us yet now they care I say screw it. If they want this than Sony should say if you don't want to release this on ps4 none of your future games will be on playstation and we will see real fast how their attitude changes Playstation brand isn't dependant on one game or one developer
@showtimefolks That is what I was going to say, is the PlayStation Brand/System that dependent on one game. One game that is multiplat. Yeah, I am not trying to catch what they are throwing.
same here ^
Cross-play is most beneficial to smaller games and games with smaller user bases. Big games like Fallout 76 likely will have large player bases on all its respective platforms. A hypothetical console release of Quake Champions however would likely benefit very significantly from cross-play as arena shooters don't hold large players when compared to more casual shooters. Cross-play can be seen as benefical and user friendly. However, cross-play likely doesn't have as big of an impact as some are claiming.
I believe that is 100% wrong. Those larger games require that larger audience that is for sure. And yes that audience will be there on all platforms they sell initially. But, over time no matter what plataform that game is on the user base will dwindle and the more it decreasess the faster it affects game play (gete matches, compete,etc.) and the faster it affects game play the faster and faster it loses users. It is a snow ball effect. Cross-play from a revenue generating point of view makes perfect sense for these game developers. It allows them to keep that population larger much longer than if it were done by each platform. Which in turns allows them to make money on the game for a longer amount of time. It is just simple econsomics for these companies. Although for gamers it is not about revenue, they do get the benefits that cross-play. Larger population over a longer period of time and possible cross-pllatform-progression are just two important reasons. The funny thing is Sony (with a larger console population overall) would actually have the most to gain financially from a game like Doom being cross-play. It would mean that additonal MT revenue from the online games extended life would go into their coffers as well. Or do people actually believe users would drop their PS4 suddenly for an Xbox just because there is cross-play between PS4 and Xbox?
Allowing people to sell their used games is critical.
Damn, that burn...
That's the big issue, not xplay. I'm amazed how a corporation get into console flame wars, I just don't understand what is the purpose for something no one cares about and makes a great fuss about it. Me, as a Sony console user, I don't need xplay.
They do, Bethesda's issue was an unauthorised 3rd party listing their game as brand new on Amazan despite Bethesda being unable to cover the warranty like a true brand new game from an authorised reseller. I don't mind people getting pissy about stuff like this but at least know what you're getting pissy about first. What I find more interesting is the anti-consumer approach consumers are taking to xplay. The first thing you say on this site, every time, is the blatantly obvious "it's not in Sony's best interest" or "Sony doesn't need", as if that were relevant.
Except Bethesda doesn't require resellers of their games to be authorized. I know I never signed something for them, and have sold a few of their games over the years. Sold as new. If they required warranty service, then that's on Bethesda, because I also never signed anything saying I'd provide that service on their behalf.
Is this sarcasm? Who isn't able to sell used games? Bethesda?
When did bethesda ever say you can't sell used games? They said you can't sell used games as "New" like that guy was trying to do.
How about dealing with your last gen graphics and optimization. Damn the game is full of glitches and the animation looks so damn garbage. We gamers care about quality games not some bug fest.
" We gamers care about quality games not some bug fest" Is that why their games that are filled to the brim with bugs sell millions upon millions of copies? Most gamers don't care about quality and have no standards whatsoever. Most can't even have an opinion of their own as we see here with the excuses such as: "its not in Sony's best interest " or "PS4 is still selling". Most gamers are complete and utter morons.
Well you have a good point.
Bethesda makes awesome games but ES Legends is not one of them. PS players won’t be missing anything if this game doesn’t come to PS4.
Much better card games out there. And that really is a genre that you can play on phone too lol.
"both cross-play, which is how Legends works right now on every device - you're playing against somebody who could be on any device - and, more importantly, cross-platform progression, which means no matter what you do on any platform, you load up the game and so long as you're logged in, here is all your progression, here is everything you had, everything you were doing. What he said makes very much sense. You don’t want to make a new account and rebuy everything just to play on the PS4. If crossplay is not allowed, then Sony should at least allow cross progression/cross save.
Oh noes not the card game ! Think of the children
Of course its with a card game. Do you think that they would say anything if it was a game that had a budget of millions? This is nothing but free publicity.
I am tired of Bethestha's arrogance against Sony. Always threatening instead of seeking a healthy relationship and at the same time always being openly friendly with Microsoft. They should be transparent on their businesses. I hope Sony disallow cross play for it so they don't release that game on Playstation. Is their loss.
“Always threatening instead of seeking a healthy relationship” But they did ask Sony and Sony rejected them. Its not like they didn’t ask anything and decide on their own. You can read a quote from the following: “Hines then said Bethesda is "always" talking with Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, Apple, and Google about the issue, taking care to note that he wasn't trying to single Sony out. And yet, Sony is the lone holdout on cross-play and cross-progression.”
Just curious.... Did Bethestha threatened not to release a game on Xbox last Gen when Microsoft refused to cross play?
@Thundercat77 ? Which game was it that Bethseda wanted cross-play and Microsoft refused last gen? Please name it. Then you might have a point but, you didn't and there was none. I can guarantee Microsoft said yes to every time Bethseda asked last generation. See how that works. Zero times asked means Microsoft said yes every time and Sony said could have said no every time last gen to Betheseda. Any number times 0 is 0. And unfortunately Bethseda never released that imaginary cross-play game you speak of last gen either. Oh well.. try again.