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Emuparadise Lost: Who Really Loses After The Fall

The Deadbeat Critics: “I’m at a loss. Shockwaves went through the world of emulation when, after 18 long and fruitful years, Emuparadise announced that they’d be moving away from hosting ROMs and ISOs for games in a bid to avoid getting royally sued for facilitating piracy, the final DMCA from Nintendo being one too many.”

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CyberSentinel100d ago

Why should they be allowed to make other peoples copyrighted hard work, available for free?

PiNkFaIrYbOi100d ago

Don't talk sense on here, people will gang up on you.

AspiringProGenji99d ago

Is Craiglist illegal for selling used cars, old cars?

rainslacker98d ago

@Aspiring

It would be if Craigslist was actually the seller, and they were selling used or old cars that they didn't have the right to sell.

-Foxtrot100d ago (Edited 100d ago )

Maybe because some studios who made a lot of the older games featured on the website don't exist any more and people aren't able to buy them without either going on a wild goose chase or paying a small fortune.

Not to mention Nintendo refuses to do something fans have been asking years for which is to make a good virtual console where people would gladly buy those old games. However even if they did that would only solve half the problem since the games on that would be for Nintendo only games, not third party which includes the games which studios don't exist anymore.

It wasn't hurting anyone.

PiNkFaIrYbOi100d ago

Someone still owns the ip's though, sometimes the original creators, and sometimes those who bought the ip's/companies when they went under or what have you.

-Foxtrot100d ago

And? They aren't here are they? They aren't doing something to let their games live on so why should people suffer?

People will gladly pay for things if they are presented to us but no ones made any effort thus people use ROMs and emulators.

CyberSentinel100d ago

Those are lame excuses.
If you want an old game, buy it on eBay. Nintendo sells the Nes and Snes mini's.
Thieves want to "Raspberry Pi" and run emulators on their PC's for free.
If you can't afford it, you can't have it.

-Foxtrot100d ago

LOL

That's insane, so basically what you are saying is

"If you aren't rich and can afford those insane prices on ebay, even though most of them are probably old, tattered copies, then you can't have it"

Sorry but most of us don't have the fancy lifestyle and can afford such things. It's different if you are stealing or torrenting brand new games but really old ones from the 80s/90s. Come on.

"Nintendo sells the Nes and Snes mini's"

Oh yes because their library is amazing...

/s

CyberSentinel100d ago

@FoxTrot

I would like to live in a bigger house with more property.
I would like to drive expensive cars.
I can't, because I can't afford them.
That doesn't give me an excuse to steal them.

-Foxtrot100d ago

Now you are going off topic and talking about more serious crime.

Completely different.

I'm done, you're getting silly trying to spin this.

If companies like EA or Activision of all people didn't get involved or find a problem with what they were doing, you know two of the greediest companies in gaming then I don't think it was that much of an issue.

CyberSentinel99d ago

@Foxtrot

What EA and Activision think, doesn't matter.
What matters is what Nintendo thinks.

ziggurcat99d ago

@foxtrot:

Not wanting to pay the market value of/not being able to afford those old games doesn’t mean you can just steal.

Doesn’t matter how old the game is, it’s still stealing.

King_Noctis99d ago (Edited 99d ago )

Stealing is stealing no matter what reason you try to justify it with.

Just because people steal old game instead of new games that doesn’t mean it isn’t stealing. It just like thief who steal old car as opposed to new car and try to find way to justify their action.

I wonder if this happen to Sony games would you still support this kind of practice.

-Foxtrot99d ago

Jesus christ we go from old roms to f***** cars

It's a stupid comparison and just grasping for straws to fight some "good fight" whatever it is.

"I wonder if this happen to Sony games would you still support this kind of practice"

You know people are getting desperate if they are trying to make it into a fanboy thing...

rainslacker98d ago (Edited 98d ago )

You act like every older game is expensive. You can get 95% of them for less than $5 more often than not. Heck, I often buy big lots of games for around $30-50, which include games which are worth twice as much.

Collecting isn't an expensive hobby unless you are looking for mint condition or new games from yesteryear for an actual collection. I imagine most people downloading ROMs aren't looking to do that.

If you can't afford it, then that doesn't give you the right to just download it for free because you think no one is profiting off it, or because you feel that its been abandoned. If you want to do it legally, wait until it becomes open domain, and do it legally, but don't act like you are entitled to anything just because no one is currently trying to profit off the game. As far as I can tell, Nintendo is trying to profit off a lot of those games, and the IP owners may also want that. Nintendo could pick and choose those, or they could go the easier route they're entitled to and just have it shut down because it is illegal regardless because these sites don't have the right to distribute those games.

You say people are going off topic by making false equivalencies, but they really aren't. It's exactly the same thing regardless of the allegory. You don't get to sell your neighbors car because they have left it in their front yard unused for a decade. It doesn't belong to you, and if you sold it, you'd be arrested and jailed. Explain how its any different for these ROMs just because you don't see any company acting on the property.....particularly since Nintendo, and many other publishers are indeed using at least some of these properties. How is it that konami doesn't have the right to protect its property of Contra despite it not doing anything with it for so long?

Despite what you may think, even if some of these companies are now defunct, chances are that someone owns that game or property. That stuff gets sold off when a company goes under.

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CyberSentinel99d ago

I read the article.
Still hasn’t changed my mind.

Orionsangel99d ago

It's hard to have sympathy for all these studios and developers when there was never a care or a attempt to preserve all these games and not to mention a concern for their copyrighted material. As soon the emulation began to show up on the scene they should have put a greater effort into stopping it, but they never did. How come? They let it grow and get out of hand. Roms today are everywhere online and you can try and stop the big sites from supplying them but you'll never stop them all and how do you stop people from sharing them on host sites? Pandora's box is open.

CyberSentinel99d ago

I agree, but at least file sharers aren’t profiting off trading ROMs, websites do through traffic and advertising.

haydenlake99d ago

@CyberSentinel

That’s not profiting off ROMs, that’s profiting off having a service that hosts free ROMs. If you can’t make the distinction then you’re as dumb as this whole fiasco.

Orionsangel99d ago

@CyberSentinel The whole profiting off roms is a whole other matter. Now you're really in illegal territory.

CyberSentinel99d ago

@haydenlake

“ you’re as dumb....”
Must you resort to person attacks?
You’re lack of understanding, speaks for itself.

@Orionsangel

That’s how websites pay for hosting the files, through advertisements and data collection and selling. Domains, storage and bandwidth aren’t free.

rainslacker98d ago

The publishers tried to stop it, but there wasn't much they could do. Nintendo has had the most success in actually getting it done, but even they can only go after those that infringe on their own work by using their code in some way....something that all console games have due to the boot process.

Its not to say that many developers, and possibly even some publishers are fussed over the sale or distribution of their older work, but on general principal, it is still copyright infringement.

Orionsangel98d ago (Edited 98d ago )

@rainslacker It's like everything online. Everyone feels like it's safety in numbers. If millions are doing it who cares attitude. It's like, would you steal a car? No, i'd stand out and get caught. Would steal a car if millions were doing it in one location? Hmm... lol

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haydenlake99d ago (Edited 99d ago )

Because most of the works are long since being profitable which is why emulaters can’t buy ROMs or ISOs and eBay prices are super insane? Also, there are those who have failed retail media and don’t want to buy what they already have again when it should be working?

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Profchaos99d ago

We're talking 25 year old games you can't buy anywhere no dev is still making a living off of pong

CyberSentinel99d ago

On eBay right now, you can buy a Atari 2600 for $9.50 and a copy of “Video Olympics” (pong collection) for $5.
That’s everything you need for less then $15

King_Noctis99d ago

Actually no, you are just a Google away from finding whatever game you want.

Concertoine99d ago

@Cyber

And the money doesnt benefit the dev whatsoever.

CyberSentinel99d ago

@Concertoine

“And the money doesnt benefit the dev whatsoever.”

That’s a whole different topic. Developers don’t always keep the copyright of their own (IP’s) games. So they wouldn’t be entitled to any compensation. Those that do, you are arguing exactly their case for them!

rainslacker98d ago

As a long time collector, there isn't anything I couldn't find. Much of it is actually cheaper than you'd see from a digital re-release.

No, the dev themselves wouldn't be profiting off the game at this point, but its not unheard of of these games to be thrown into a compilation for release, or be sold through digital means by these publishers through things like the Virtual Console. How come no one ever likes to bring up those digital re-releases as reasons to remove those ROMs from sites like these? They apparently care about supporting the dev, or pub who made it.

Some stuff may be extremely expensive, but if one really cares that much, most games, particularly the more popular ones from long ago, can be had pretty cheap as there are a lot of copies available. A few weeks ago, I brought 120 NES/SNES/SMS/Genesis games for $75. That's not expensive. If you want it in mint or really good condition, or new, then you'll spend more for many games. There are a few instances of games which are really expensive even in piss poor condition, but people are making it like that less than 1% of anecdotal examples somehow justifies the theft that is going on.

I'm not actually against ROM downloads of these older games because I agree with what a lot of people say about it, but one thing I don't agree on is people acting like its not theft because there is no apparent monetary damage to the original creator or publisher. That is moot to the point on if what is going on is illegal.

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Majin-vegeta99d ago

But I don't see Sony or MS doing it...

2pacalypsenow99d ago

Nintendo has always been very protective with their ip’s. And the fact that they are releasing retro consoles. They don’t want people to emulate them. It’s all about $$.

subtenko99d ago

screw nintendo, not gonna support them especially when they have a crap online system and now they wanna charge you for said crap online system, i mean wtf

I did dig them back in the n64 and gba days tho... now Im not a fan

rainslacker98d ago

There aren't that many sites set up like this which host PS or Xbox games. I believe one site did PS1 a while ago...possibly EMUParadise even....and Sony did go after them. I remember being able to download the games directly from a website....although there was no charge for them that I can recall. I found other methods to download them to be more efficient given the internet technology at the time.

Sirk7x99d ago (Edited 99d ago )

Guys, this is a fantastic article on the subject, and raises amazing points, such as:
1. Preservation of history
2. How many game developers were only able to play and study older games via emulation, meaning that without it, we'd have less talent in the industry
3. Teachers explaining how only a very, very small fraction of older games are even possible to obtain legally, and when rom sites die, many games disappear along with it.
4. Many gaming companies are using FAN MADE and open source emulation projects to sell their products.
https://motherboard-vice-co...

rainslacker98d ago

1. Preserving history, and distributing content you don't have the right to distribute are two very different things. There is already a game preservation initiative going on through some University, and they don't distribute the content. Some publishers and devs even support it.

2. Yeah, that small portion of individuals in the grand scheme of things is really worth keeping emulation sites around. If that's all it was, then I doubt anyone would bother even hosting them. In any case, for every game of the past, there are more than one example, and talent doesn't come from simply studying old games, but understanding the fundamentals of game design which is easily experienced without resorting to emulation.

3. You can obtain 99% of all the older games from the start of console gaming legally. May not be immediate all the time, but I've collected for years, and if I really wanted something I could get it. Even the rarest of games....things with maybe only 1-10 copies in the world, are available if you're willing to pay.

4. And that isn't right either, as any derivative change is actually something owned by those that changed it. But that's an entirely different issue.

Sirk7x99d ago

Out of all the tens of thousands of games that have been made, how many retro games are you able to still purchase legally where the money goes to a developer or publisher? Perhaps a few hundred. Buying secondhand just moves the money to the seller. The problem is copyright laws are broken. In no way should someone be able to own a product for a 100 years even if they aren't actively selling it. If some day, laws are not fixed and copyright detecting AI prevents people from hosting material on the internet, a large portion of digital history will die.

MetalGearsofWar99d ago

Read the comments. People against this make it all about thieves stealing old crappy games with an imaginary value.

rainslacker98d ago (Edited 98d ago )

I have several thousand older games dating back to the Commodore. What are you looking for? I can sell it to you legally. Of the tens of thousands of games that have been made, probably less than .01% are no longer available. They may not be readily available at an moments notice, but its not that hard to find almost everything one may want to play, and most can be had cheap.

I suggest anyone who really cares as much as I see some people claiming to start finding collectors sites. Find more people in the collectors community. Use Ebay. Go to garage sales. Look on Craigslist. There may be a few games that would be out of the reach of most, or even much more than someone is willing to spend, but I have a hard time taking people seriously if they won't even make the effort to find these older games because they care so much to play the older games.

Also, it doesn't matter if buying second hand transfers who makes the money. This is a matter of legality, and if you buy second hand on these older games, you are obtaining a legal copy. Downloading ROM's, you aren't. Its theft, and if you care so much about the morality of it, care about yourself and not being a thief.

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