AMD has collaborated with hardware manufacturer Zhongshan Subor to create custom console hardware for the Chinese market - and first impressions suggest a h…
Hmm, it will be interesting to see where this thing sits in real world benchmark results
Price will make or break it, and unfortunately these type of device often cost 2x the cost of a similarly spaced console since there’s no expectation of tens of millions of these being produced and sold. I’d say $600 is the expectedly price. You can build a better PC on your own, but you’re paying a premium for a prebuilt gaming pc with solid specs.
Also, it's a PC... this should be compared to other PCs not consoles.
Lots of insecurity in the comment section right now instead of embracing the idea. It's not only a console or PC, it's a hybrid; a PC architecture inside a console shell like Steam Machine. Does the Switch need to only be compared to other handhelds because it can be a handheld docked to become a console? No, and disagree all you want, but logic is that it can still be able to be compared in certain aspects. 4 core Ryzen at 3.0Ghz is good enough for 60fps, even more in less demanding games. GPU seems to be the weak point to output higher resolutions than 1080p, but being of Vega architecture, it can offer a few features that both PS4 Pro and Xbox One X doesn't have, but it's a rare occurrence. Due to no dedicated system memory of DDR4 like on PCs, this won't exactly have the same multitask experience of a desktop PC. I expect a game mode with limited OS functionality after launching a game. It's decent, not much of a wow factor, but a smart move on AMD's part to retry the Steam Machine idea and sell more of their products, especially due to the PC gaming dominated market in China. Due to lack of DDR4 which is expensive nowadays, I actually expect a reasonable price for this.
If it costs more than a console what's the point? All of this comparison becomes relevant if it costs less than a PS4 Pro. Otherwise it's simply a case of, yes it's more powerful, but it costs more. And the general rule of thumb in tech is more power costs more.
Your comment is quite accurate, unfortunately on this site bias blinds the majority of people. The important thing is the price point which could be quite cheap due to it's low manufacturing costs and volume pricing. Really if anything it's an article about the rise of AMD and the versatility of there chip lines and their ability to create high quality solutions for a wide range of markets.
One of the biggest differences between console and PC is the level of access developers have to the system. So if this machine does not give developers the same access, then a straight comparison to consoles would be flawed. Sure you can compare specs, but unless developers can optimize for it like a console, then its really nothing more than a PC that looks like a console.
Framerate is mostly down to gpu power, unless the cpu is a bottleneck. Look at this graphics card review. All games tested with the same exact system, with just the graphics card changed. https://www.techpowerup.com... notice how they use fps to measure the difference in cards. Graphics cards are responsible for what you see on the monitor (they plug into the graphics card) that includes fps
Hi nerds and geeks, should I buy this?
Which is more than we can say about your riveting commentary on the matter.
... And yours! :)
I don't know who this is for. Sure the CPU is next gen but, it has less GPU computing power than the Pro. (3.9TFLOPS vs 4.2TFLOPS for the Pro). From the article, it looks like the company is going to first use this APU to build a Windows system, so it plays PC Windows games, right? How is that like the Pro or even like the more powerful X. At least the X up the power ante a year later. This device will be released 2 years after the Pro but still less graphically powerful. And both Pro and X have a complete ecosystem specifically designed to run games tightly within those hardware specs. Even when they bring out the other model (which is supposed to be more like a console) later on how will that work? It will be a completely different OS (not Windows and not Linux) so it won't run any of those systems games. It will have no games from major publishers. Are the Chinese going to gobble this up for some reason I am not seeing? What this really shows me is how hard it has been for AMD to actually scale up the graphic power of the Vega GPU in these new Ryzen based APUs. AMD still has not got past the GPU computing capability of the Pro and I worry how long it will take to reach 6 TFLOPS of the X. One would think that AMD by now would be running at least as well as the Polaris in the X.
Due to the MUCH better CPU and even though the GPU has 8 less CUs, they are clocked much higher, this machine would easily get pretty close to or match the Pros performance
TFLOPS is only a good indicator of power difference when comparing cards within the same family and doesn't translate well when comparing cards of different architecture as they handle Floating point operations different. Case in point the RX 480 has 5.8 TFLOPs and the GTX 1060 has less at 3.8 TFLOPs. Yet beats it in pretty much every way TFLOPS is only one factor to consider when looking at how much power a card actually has.
That's some false information right there. When the cards first arrived on the market it took a while for AMD to get their drivers up to scratch which caused the odd disparity in performance between the 1060 and 480 but today with mature AMD drivers and newer games, the 480 beats out the 1060 almost every time.
Actually because the RX480 didn't beat the GTX1060, AMD refreshed it to the RX580 with higher clocks. They are very close, depending on games tested either can come out on top. Overall, it's so close it doesn't matter. Generally the Nvidia card overclocks better so it can even come down to what versions are tested and what core speeds they run at.
SirJoJo the comparison was between TFLOPS. AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 12.5 TFLOPS Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11.3 TFLOPS Guess which one absolutely crushes the other? Even the GTX 1080 matches it is many games at 8.8 TFLOPS Anyone remember the RX 480 CFX being slowing than 1080 at AMD press event? As others have said the overclock you get on Pascal is mental 1080 base clock is 1,607MHz you can easily get it to 1.8/1.9GHz just using Nvidia GPU Boost. A modest overclock plus GPU Boost gets you over 2GHz. My 1080 Ti base clock is 1,480GHz and it constantly runs at 1.8GHz
For someone who wants to play 1080p @ 60fps in all their games. Someone who doesn’t want to or know how to build a gaming PC. A solid gaming PC for people in countries where GPU prices are still insanely high. A companion system for Xbox play anywhere, or a PS / Nintendo fan who wants another device outside of an Xbox. Niche markets, but the potential was always there for PConsoles so long as someone was willing to commit to it fully. Unfortunately no one has.
This is a custom chip built for the needs and requirements of the company wanting to sell it in a PC like box. AMD built it to that specification, it doesn't mean they could not build something more powerful, it just means the client was happy with this level of performance and cost. Xbox One X pushes the GPU size higher, but AMD could easily build something even bigger and faster. X1X's die size is 359mm squared, the Vega graphics cards are 486mm squared, much larger. The problem would be the cost would be far too high. A Vega 64 GPU is $500. Most people still only own a standard PS4 or standard Xbox One, both machines less powerful than this chip. On many games it is likely this part can equal or beat a PS4 Pro, because of the increase in CPU performance and memory bandwidth, plus the newer Vega graphics arch. You will still be able to install a windows OS on this machine and play PC games. It also seems you don't really know anything about the Chinese games market. It is a PC dominated market. Chinese gamers want PCs, not consoles. They have a wide variety of popular PC games that dominate their gaming scene, this machine might be a cost effective way for them to play the biggest titles. Clearly the company building it sees big potential for sales.
3.99 is basically 4 if you don’t know how to round up numbers then go back to middle school
Yeah, that is exactly how it works. Rounding. It makes perfect sense. Why didn't I think of that /s Maybe you need to get out of middle school to understand rounding is the worst thing you can do here. Besides, It requires you also to round down the Pro from 4.2. Glad to know losing over 200,000 operations per second capability all because you are rounding is the exact same thing in your world.
So better is your option cut 0.9 and says it’s 3.9 which is even less accurate. What a tool.
Why do some companies insist on these mini-PCs for gaming? Scam, maybe. It doesn't have the PC's power neither the console's games.
don't outright decry it as a scam. China is a big untapped territory that is new to gaming. If you were to get a foothold in china your potential sales would be beyond any other territory. For this reason it's almost a way to backdoor into the console wars. China only recently lifted it's ban on video games so they're all new customers to these companies and have no allegience atm. It's a very good time to strike if you're a chinese company seriously considering throwing your hat in the ring. Edit: Beyond any other territory means = more people buying it because as i hope most know, china's population is huge
Just because they have a lot of people, doesn't mean that there will be a market for the product.
Does not matter. Still it is better to buy a PC or a traditional console than that, even there.
It's a cool looking machine
I'm sure it also has direct tunnel to the Chinese government too. We already have enough data whoring here
Wonder where they learned to make that? Hacked Sony or Microsoft most likely.
While they hack the companies, the companies hack consumers like us so I wouldn't exactly feel like a warrior for coming to the age of thieving conglomerates.
It says right there they collaborated with AMD. AMD makes the chips in xbox and ps4
I'm cautious of all chineese products it will probably never actually make it to market in Australia US or Europe for the same reason Chinese phones are shuned despite being technically better. In China the businesses that make electronics can have a data share agreement with the government some phone manufacturers have been caught up in scandals like this. Now imagine your ps4 or xb1 with a camera and Mic recording everything you say and do in the living room and sending it back or making it accessible to view remotely
Any Chinese tech is tied to the govt and should be avoided like the plague
Waste of time article
You never know. One day China may take over the gaming industry. Right now their government is stopping that.
Yeah I saw this on Redgamingtech on youtube. It;s GPU is just under the Pro but it's cpu is a RyZEN 4 core/8T. PS5 will stomp these specs though. For what we know of right now the PS5 will have a APU soc on *RyZEN *Plus- 8 cores cores/16T with a NAVI GPU(*at least as strong as a Vega 64 gpu) GDDR6 memory, not sure of the amount, I think it's 16gb but I hear from some people that Sony will be "cheaping out" And assume the PS5 can get by on only 14gb. Here's hoping their wrong and it'll be 16GB.
Yeah, consoles are going to get the equivalent of a Ryzen 7 2***, and Vega 64...of course. You're only looking at 400w tdp, and the cost at retail is the equivalent of about two PS4 Pros. You guys are getting a custom SoC just like the current one. You're getting a cpu and GPU pairing that brings an appreciable increase in performance, without cranking the power, heat and cost through the roof. It's also going to use memory that isn't in any production cards, has only just recently spun up full scale production. Of course! Because memory bandwidth was definitely the largest bottleneck! It had nothing to do with a 5400rpm laptop drive. Expect a SATA SSD, the same GDDR5 just larger capacity, less cores but higher clock speeds and a GPU that doesn't double as a space heater. Expecting Navi, or Vega is like expecting Fiji and HBM memory in the Pro or One X. It's not feasible in a box you have to sell for 500 maximum.
Why is this compared to PS4 if it obviously can't play PS4 games?
Looks cool! But consoles are only as good as its games. Hardware almost doesn't matter (unless it's Wii territory :D)
The day I buy one of these is the day that a PC that is as powerful than any console, and is also the cheapest option. As much as people on here like to think, power doesn't sell consoles, yes we like shiny new graphics. But price and games mean more than anything. It's the reason the X1X hasn't set the world alight (for proof simply look at MS lack of willingness to talk numbers) and the reason why the PS4 is in the lead, and why the Switch (the weakest but cheapest and has great games) is catching up.
It’s all well and good but it wont be playing PS4 games will it. This article goes on about small form pcs, basically that’s what PS4 and Xbox are anyway custom built architecture for console form. I will wait for ps5 and Xbox 2 thanks.
Companies will keep chipping away at this idea until it sticks. Consoles are becoming more like PCs and PCs could do with borrowing a few elements from consoles in my opinion. This convergence *will* happen one way or the other.
It's a nice looking machine, with some nice specs to it........ Shame it will likely never see light of day over here in the West.
Probably has some kind of virus that way it can steal your personal info after setup. Communist console!
People would actually buy these if devs actually tries to optimize their games for it, but sadly they just treat this devices like a pc.
People should learn What is the mean Gaming Console! Some stupid people still calling every single PC hardware box a Console! Why? Or what is the requirements for a calling a PC box instead of Console. (ESL guy)
Let me guess...it steals your credit info???
Subor? Interesting. Subor was producing illegal rip-offs of the NES and Mega Drive for Russian and CIS markets in the early 90s.
N4G is a community of gamers posting and discussing the latest game news. It’s part of NewsBoiler, a network of social news sites covering today’s pop culture.