"I feel sorry for young gamers today. With the rise of ‘games as a service’ titles and only-online video games, we are setting the youth up for disappointment. Let me explain." -- Nintendo Enthusiast
Well realistically speaking even games that are single player have a limited shelf life and may not be around in the years ahead. Even if you kept the hard copy of the game, cd's have issues and even cartridges have some issues with how long they can last. I'm not saying digital is any better because it isn't because even that has a limited amount of time too if it isn't updated occasionally.
Lies. Blurays are pretty durable and scratch resistant. Unless you break them youself, it will never stop working
It is still pretty new so we don't know what will happen in a couple more decades or so to it, if it will be able to last or not.
Regardless of original distribution medium, old games end up as files on hard discs, SSDs, thumb drives, and whatever other modern storage comes along. They get replicated all over the internet, meaning they're stored on many, many systems. They won't disappear unless the entire infrastructure does (e.g., nuclear armageddon). CDs, DVDs and Blurays don't need to last forever to preserve the games.
Cobra, Those files replicated all over the internet are locked to one computer, account, or console with DRM. They will be useless when the servers close.
We thought that about CDs and DVDs but time taught us disc rot is a thing, hopefully blurays last but unforseen problems could always arise.
You're missing the point. Tech gets outdated and updated. We used to watch movies on VHS and DVD, now Bluray. It's likely to change again.
the hardware that plays them wont last forever.
> scratch resistant Eh yeah no.
And then your disc drive dies... ya, that's happened to me on more then one console. My favorite game is also online only, I'm not knocking SP games but consider playing a game like Ark SP only. That would get kind of boring pretty quick. There is nothing wrong with online games or online only. If that's not your thing at least you still have SP games.... right?
"It is still pretty new so we don't know what will happen in a couple more decades" That's versus how many years, if not months or even days, a publisher decides to allow access to a game. Something you bought in full or partially with money, with upwards to hundreds of hours of personal time into.
I can't play BF2 anymore, GameSpy went and died. I can't play 1942, MOHAA, Vietnam, or 2142. Yet all those hundreds of hours are still there, it's not like the time I spent is just a void now.
Im not sure you know what youre talking about
I still play my PS1 discs from the 90's what are you talking about? Also, there are roms and ISO files. These games could be played a 100 years from now. Question is, will anyone want to? Probably not. But we will be able to play them in our lifetimes, that is for sure.
No. Art doesn't have a shelf life
My NES cartridges say otherwise.
Of topic, but "let me explain" comes off as a condescending phrase. Especially when attached to a subject that should otherwise be obvious and require no explanation. Like "water is wet" or "barrel rolls in space".
Actually, I originally thought he was going to discuss the evils of GaaS, not game preservation. Water is . . . made up of two volatile elements. Water is . . . less dense when it freezes. :-)
Water isn't wet though lol
The saddest part about younger gamers is they are growing up thinking this is normal and will gladly support this crap The same people in arguments who will defend a game over it because they really don't know any better. If I was the guy to want kids I would let them play the older ones from the NES/Mega Drive days and work them up slowly through the consoles so they can appreciate what came before
Or just let them play what they want to play. I personally have no want at all to go back to those stiff boring ass NES games, so it would hypocritical to make my kid play them. Also, Fortnite is fun.
They are kids...they'll play whatever So why not put some games down that later on they'll apprichete they had a chance to play...it's not as easy to go back to them if they've played the newest high tech games on the market. We can't easilly go back to them but being kids who've never played anything before they'd eat it up like it was the best thing ever. I mean you talk about letting them play what they want then say " I personally have no want at all to go back to those stiff boring ass NES games" So basically because YOU can't play them, they shouldn't? Isn't that the same thing you're trying to tell me off for? Oh and as for Fortnite...it's not that good. I'd rather my kids play things which were a little more fulfilling like Witcher 3, God of War, Super Mario Odyssey and so on.
You're effectively saying "let them pay for everything, any and every aspect a publisher wants to charge for, they play".
Kids can play Fortnite, more parents just need to stop letting them buy anything in the game. What you earn is what you get, no more, no less. Problem is that by letting them buy things, it becomes a popularity contest of sorts. These feeds spending habits as people are marketed towards buying the latest and shamed for having older stuff by those who are able to buy the latest. Teach your children that they don't need to make other people happy by being like them and spending money to do it, instead instill in them a sense of pride in earning what they do have and being happy with that rather than letting companies tell them when they aren't 'cool'.
When you have kids, and you can't show them how good Fortnite was due to a shut down of servers, you'll be frustrated too. At least I have the choice of introducing my kids to Super Mario Bros., Sonic, Phantasy Star and Ocarina of Time. Future games won't be as easily accessible.
I have a friend who did this with his kids some years ago and it actually worked, they developed a deep sense of gaming appreciating games of all eras. The really amazing part is they like older games sometimes more than the new ones and can be surprisingly critical. It's incredibly fun listening to a 14 years old talking about SNES, MegaDrive and N64 games and what they think about them in comparison to today's games. Children are one of the two greatest joys in life.
Kids want to play what their classmates is playing so they have something to talk about in class, they like to stay current This how it was for me growing up, I'm in my 30s now and i doubt things change, kids will want to play fortnite or whatever game that is popular at the moment, not play something popular decades ago
20 years from now no one will be playing fortnite, not because they dont want to but because they can't its gonna suck but i guess its par for the course with online games with no split screen.
Something better will come along, just like us 3ds and vita owners who waited patiently and the gaming gods blessed us with Nintendo Switch, not even 2 years old and it have over 1,300 games, and more games will be coming, year 3 for a system is when the best games start coming out, because they had 3 years to make the game
Good thing there's still plenty of SP games! Also there's lots of games younger kids have no idea about so they have to be exposed to them. That's what I've done with my children and their friends. Games that resonated whether it was in the 80's, 90's or 00's still resonate!
oh please, every single game you enjoyed before can still be played unless it was online only.
I've been gaming for decades and there has never been so much choice in gaming than there is today. If people are really worried about online only and GaaS then they will die off but in reality they are only a small proportion of games anyway and I think this is a drama that doesn't really exist imo. I'm far more concerned about so many formulaic AAA games that follow a template than GaaS
Would you like to gather some wood with me to craft arrows? We've done it like 80 times over the last year, I'm getting pretty good at it.
Lol, no thanks. Its like how they give every game rpg or survival elements as if that will fix a crappy game. We need more innovation, we need more AA games where devs are willing to take a risk..
Yes, preservation is a huge issue. Online games cease to be after their servers are shut off, and that's the sad truth. That's a kind of heartbreak that is only going to become more commonplace, especially if companies like EA get their way and change the gaming landscape to their liking (which I as a gamer will join others in resisting).
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