The whole digital only fantasy is never coming true, sorry.
No way. I prefer to own physical games and so does many others especially those with slow internet or data caps
I've bought one disc since I bought my PS4, everything else has been digital. About 50 games. So much easier to use...
I'd rather get up and change the disc than to trust all digital
I buy my exclusive games digital and my multiplat games on disk. To me, it is sensible to do. Now I am trying to find a BC PS3 to extend my collection a little further.
You and I are clearly at odds on this. I've been burned on digital media before and I'm not about to let that happen again.
How have you been burned on digital? I get that people want physical games, and I am sure Sony and MS do as well. But explain how you have been burned on digital.
JackBNimble Most probably that the game was not as good as he thought it would be or towards his taste and so he cannot sell it or get a refund. Only recently did Microsoft offer a refund policy, Sony and Nintendo still offer no option. Plus digital is more expensive, should be the other way around. Though i do get the appeal of digital and also get the appeal of physical. I only buy digital when it's on some massive sale.
I'm not advocating one format over another, that's what choice is for. I asked a simple question that obviously won't be answered with an honest answer. I highly doubt Sony or MS would go the discless route.... at least for next gen anyway.
JackBNimble, No, I'll answer you honestly. It's the internet, but I've never cared to lie, so here goes... My experience does not relate to gaming, but it still demonstrates the potential for what happens with licenses. Once upon a time, I liked iPhones. I bought a lot of music through the Apple store. Apparently, there may have been a dispute between Apple and licensure, so what did they do? They literally removed all of the music from the artist from my device without my consent. It was even removed from iTunes on my computer. I called Apple and, no, I couldn't get a refund. If I recall, I was out about $100. Doesn't sound like much, but I basically just threw money at their coffers to get screwed. Obviously, Apple is not Sony or Microsoft, but I hope you can see why I am not in favor of that kind of control.
Darxyde So are you saying that you don't connect your console to the internet? I only ask because you license is your physical copy, and that game still runs of the hard drive not the disc. If any dev/pub screw you with an update or whatever, having the physical copy isn't going to change a thing. The only way to prevent your fears from coming true would be to never ever go online. You're still actually digital, the only difference is you have a physical license key. I'm not stating digital is better.... I'm just saying you just have a physical license.
I went all digital this gen and I love it
NO !! if that was the case backwards compatibility would be pointless especially as Microsoft as put so much effort into the program.
That's not exactly true. Digital games would still have to be able to be bc. I do hope all digital games are bc going forward, but I don't want an all digital future.
You missed his point. How are next-gen consoles going to be compatible with this gen, or with the one before it, if people can't insert discs into them? Without disc readers, a PS5 won't be able to play your PS4 physical collection, and an Xbox Next won't be able to play Xbox One or Xbox 360 discs.
Digital is a nice option but technology is not good enough to remove physical. Many counties have frankly abysmal internet infrastrucure. Next gen games will be massive (many already are) and dowloading them is not viable for many people. No physical means cutting off a huge portion of the market currently. Maybe in a decade when internet infrastructure is better worldwide.
When are people gunna get thru there thick skulls people like to own stuff they buys that means physically
While im on the same boat as you, I think younger generations are going to prefer digital downloads. We're not too far from an all digital world look at music I think I'm one of the few people who still purchases a CD. Lol
I see music differently. Music is sometimes passive, just something in the background and you can take anywhere. It makes sense for it to be digital. Games are different as someone usually plays them in the same spot or two in the home and require your attention. That doesn't mean it can't be digital, but it doesn't have as great of a reason to be.
I personally prefer digital so speak for yourself. It’s way more convenient and space friendly. I prefer a minimalistic look in my house
Whatever helps you feel better.
The cell that's not quite true. Look at dvd CD sales and the uptake in service like Google music, Netflix ect people are going down the digital rout even photos most people don't print anymore. Digital will be how consoles go but I do think the next consoles will have disk drives in them but I do wonder if they will offer a none disk drive version to and bring the cost down
I mean, how much does a disc drive cost? Especially at the manufacture price. Probably the cheapest component in the box.
I wish one would offer a discless option. It'd be nice to see if those systems sell. If they do, then there is a good market, and people can shut up about it. If they don't, then we can see more people prefer physical, and people can shut up about it. Either way, its win win. That being said, if any company goes completely digital, they'd fail pretty hard if they start next gen. Even MS knew they need to keep physical around for their digital vision at the start of the gen.
MatrixxGT depends on the drive as the one in the x box x is not a cheep park remember its a 4k drive. Was also part of the reason why the ps3 cost way more than the 360 due to the blueray drive. So its not as cheep as you think
@rain Honestly I thought we reached that point already where people can shut up about it but it hasn’t happened. All the talk about digital and yet physical sales are still going strong. That should be enough but it’s not. People keep wanting to push that all digital is coming. I don’t like that future at all. I don’t understand why many do. I don’t ever want to put trust in servers and internet or just someone else entirely over my stuff
@Muzikguy bit of a personal question but how old are you? For me what I am seeing is a generation thing. For example my dad is in his 50s and still buys games, dvds and cds. My brother who is in his early 20s buys all digital for films, photos, music and games. I see why people don't trust digital and for me I've gone all digital but I have a mix of things where some I own some I stream and I'm in my 30s.
when are people going to understand that a physical disk doesnt give you ownership of the game? I mean sure for now you can resell your disk, but they could easily attach a license to them. The consoles all incorporate strong drm measures. If you actually owned the game you could do what you want with it, make copies of it, sell it, port it to another system etc... Where does this false sense of ownership come from?
You own the physical item, not the license, yes that it is true. But you can loan it to friends and family members, resell it, put the box on display etc. With digital it is locked to your account. You can't do any of this. Sure they could attach a license to it, but they won't any time soon. MS tried this when they announced Xbox One and it cost them a huge amount in terms of sales and reputation, forcing them to backpeddle. Of course digital has some advantages. For example Xbox family sharing allows me to buy a game that can be played simultaneously by myself and my son. With play anywhere 3 people can play the same digital game at once using a PC and 2 Xbox consoles linked by family sharing.
Your tied to the games even when they are long gone what happens when the servers are shut down and can't sell and trade. Ya left with nothing. Look at the price of some classic games today making 100s
The day consoles are always-online is the day I stop buying new games
Always online and digital only are 2 very different things.
True but I'd still have to download the games
Lol. The console manufacturers don’t care about you. Throw your little fit and miss out on great games.
They will care when they are getting stomped by their competitor who offers offline gaming
Absolutely not. No physical media = no sale.
You guys say that or think that but if it came too it you def would buy em
Not as a collector. So no I would not.
I might buy. But I'd wait for sales where they're $5-10. I'm patient enough that I don't need to buy my games day one. I'd go from spending 5-6 grand a year on games, to spending less than a few hundred.
Nah I really wouldn't
.... A very small part of me wants it to happen now so I can prove you wrong.
I wouldn’t @rain That’s an interesting point that I’m sure others feel the same way. If companies want to claim digital to be the future then if it’s like you say they’d be losing money. Why would they want that? I’m sure that they haven’t thought of this. Just that it’s easier for them distribution wise and cuts production costs
Nope, I'd be moving to PC gaming if that happened. PC is still mainly digital, but it's not a closed market with pathetically high prices like consoles are.
Totally agree, 1 week sitting with the wife watching love island or geordie shore and you'd be straight out to the shop buying that discless playstation/xbox/NIN in a flash.
i live a mile out of town and have a slow internet speed. it wouldn't be worth my time to try to download 50+ gig games. so, no. i'd quit gaming.
@Captain Even on PC, the game prices on day one, and a month or three in, are still about what you'd see at retail. it's after that first month that you can start to see game prices drop at retail. Steam can see some great sales after a year or more, sometimes decent ones before that. I personally don't think enough gamers would hold off buying games early to make that much of a difference that publishers would miss out on revenue. They'd make more in the long run, because they'd pretty much do away with the resale market. This means more people may buy at higher prices where the publisher would see money, as opposed to losing a sale to the resale market where they see nothing.
Hell yeah they would. Enormous. I can't wait for the day of digital to come so I can come into this toxic ass website and LAUGH at all of the entitled butthurt neckbeards.
The only time I don't buy physical is if it doesn't exist, or if in the rare case, the physical is so much more expensive than the digital.
No they can’t
Not next gen. The gen afterwards will probably have at least a discless option. Personally, I haven't used a disc since the 360 started it's Games On Demand service. If I still used discs today, I'd have nowhere to put all of these games.
"I'd have nowhere to put all of these games" In a cd/dvd sleeve/case???
Obviously. But where am I going to put all of those cases. I have over 300 games this generation alone. As well as hundreds from generations past. I don't have the space in my house to fit all of those and the 300+ games too.
@Lennoxb63 Buy a seperate house for your collection, sit in a corner wonder how your collection ended up owning you.
This guy must have 1,000 games. All my games are in two shoe boxes
I have games from generations of past as well. Not just this one. If all your games can fit in two shoe boxes you can't relate. You most likely don't play many games at all.
Same with me. Digital games dont get lost or scratched or broken or stolen.
That actually says more about you being careless with your stuff🤷♂️
But they can get deleted, and have servers go down where you are unable to download them. They also often don't have the bigger sales prices. Also you can't trade or resell them.
Plus you never get tempted to trade in for some shite price
You could have sold the games you don't play anymore, and used it to buy more games. Anyhow, I have thousands of games across the generations, and I find places to put them without issues. You can fit 200 discs into one of those bookcase style media cabinets which are about 4' high, and 30" wide.
I don't sell my games. Never have. I also have a large music collection. Don't have room to put all those vinyls, discs, game cartridges, and game discs. It's much more convenient picking what I want to play through a system's UI than searching through hundreds of cases.
I’m running out of actual real world physical space too :/ 30 plus years of games across multiple gens takes up a lot of room.
No. End of. Too many places in the world with atrocious internet speeds, plus physical still has many benefits that people like over digital. I prefer physical for several reasons like having something physical, to receive something in the mail and unpack it, to store it somewhere, to physically collect something, etc. Others might like the idea of selling their physical copies. I also really, really like the fact that new games go for around €50-55 physical and digital they go for €70. The physical stuff they could change by selling boxes at retail shops with a download code, you still have the benefits of lower prices, having something to show off, etc. If they add re-selling of digital games they solve the other issues people might have with them. But, the slow internet in certain areas is here to stay for a bit longer and let's not forget the idea that a disc can be played again in 20 years, sorta (without patches) if the servers go down...
Also if next gen is gonna be all about 4K assets and games push 100gb plus that means once you have filled your harddrive and deleted an old game to make space if you ever feel like playing it again you have a very long wait to redownload it, at least the installation from a disc happens at a guaranteed rate for everyone.
Yeah and being a 1x owner I can feel the pain of 4K DL sizes. Especially when your only options are satellite or LTE.
digital codes aren't brought by the retailer though. They're just pieces of paper, and they get activated when they sell them. Stuff like that actually removes smaller retailers from the market, because you have to have specific licenses to sell those things, and they don't usually give them out to the smaller retailers.
At the moment, no, but I was talking about a possible solution of physical boxes being sold by any type of retailers with a code inside it...
Your disc won't work cause in 20yrs the disc size could be different, no disc at all. There is a number of factors why your disc wont work ie moores law will probably be no longer etc. I appreciate people like playing there old games and all that but when I put a ps2 game in my launch ps3 console I spat the thing out in 5mins and was like fuck that Im going bk to motorstorm or R:FOM
Im in one of those places. With my current connection it takes 3, maybe more to download a game in the 40-50GB range. No fibre and no LTE signal, if I want those I'd have to move to the cities :/ But broadband is quite expensive here whatever option you take (South Africa). The second hurdle is that the digital prices on the playstation store (so it looks like its the same for you in Europe too then) is more expensive than physical, and it also seems to take a lot longer for a game to go on sale, when I do pop in the game shop they usually do mark down months old games at some point. If ps5 is digital only, well im afraid I'm going to have to sit it out until the infrastructure gets better where I am. At least I have a massive backlog of ps3 and ps4 titles to play should it come to that.
No. Even though I prefer digital....I don't want all digital future.